Yak-List Digest Archive

Thu 11/20/14


Total Messages Posted: 30



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:15 AM - Early Cold (Cpayne)
     2. 04:18 AM - Spinning the 52 (Richard Goode)
     3. 04:37 AM - Re: Early Cold (Richard Hess)
     4. 05:02 AM - Re: Spinning the 52 (George S. Coy)
     5. 06:07 AM - Re: Spinning the 52 (Richard Goode)
     6. 06:28 AM - Re: Missing entire threads (Ernie)
     7. 06:44 AM - Re: Spinning the 52 (William Geipel)
     8. 07:11 AM -  (schwartzcompany@att.net)
     9. 07:22 AM - Re: Yak Pilot needs our support (Shaun Dawson)
    10. 07:45 AM - Re: Early Cold (Mark Davis)
    11. 09:29 AM - Re: Spinning the 52 (PaulW)
    12. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: Spinning the 52 (Richard Goode)
    13. 11:14 AM - Re: Real Pilot! (Roger Kemp)
    14. 11:25 AM - Re: Early Cold (Roger Kemp)
    15. 12:54 PM - CJ6 Front canopy seal (Ttail)
    16. 01:23 PM - Re: Spinning the 52 (Didier BLOUZARD)
    17. 01:26 PM - Re: Spinning the 52 (Roger Kemp)
    18. 01:29 PM - Re: Yak Pilot needs our support (Didier BLOUZARD)
    19. 01:40 PM - Re: Spinning the 52 (Nigel Willson)
    20. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
    21. 02:33 PM - Re: Real Pilot! (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
    22. 02:49 PM - Re: Real Pilot! (Richard Hess)
    23. 03:51 PM - Re: Spinning the 52 (William Geipel)
    24. 03:58 PM - Re: Yak Pilot needs our support (Greg Wrobel)
    25. 04:30 PM - Re: CJ6 Front canopy seal (Jeff)
    26. 05:58 PM - Prop nut torque (Ernest Martinez)
    27. 07:18 PM - Re: Prop nut torque (Walter Lannon)
    28. 07:47 PM - Re: Prop nut torque (Ernest Martinez)
    29. 08:59 PM - Re: Spinning the 52 (Dr. Herbert Coussons)
    30. 11:31 PM - CJ-6 spare parts (annysun)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:15:26 AM PST US
    From: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
    Subject: Early Cold
    Tough going for many this season. I feel your cold. After 2 days of 40's in the morning I'll have to breakout the Sunshine Shovel to clear the pad in front of my hanger :) Craig Payne


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    Time: 04:18:03 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
    Subject: Spinning the 52
    I am concerned when I read people referring to "the 52 POH". Quite simply, the 52 is an ex-military aircraft and no such document in a Western sense exists. I have six different versions of a 52 flight manual, three of which make absolutely no mention of any issues about spinning. So, it goes back to the fundamental advice of getting proper instruction from someone genuinely experienced on the type! Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com


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    Time: 04:37:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Early Cold
    From: Richard Hess <hess737@aol.com>
    Craig, Don't be a wiener! Man up! Some of the guys actually thrive in cold and snow and ice. Think of the exercise you're missing not having three or four feet of snow to shovel, or the joy of turning gasoline into noise with your trusty leaf/snow blower. You don't know what you're missing... :-)~ Richard Hess President International Jets, Inc. Gadsden, AL O 256-442-8099 C 404-964-4885 www.InternationalJets.com > On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote: > > > Tough going for many this season. I feel your cold. After 2 days of 40's in the morning I'll have to breakout the Sunshine Shovel to clear the pad in front of my hanger :) > > Craig Payne > > > >


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    Time: 05:02:12 AM PST US
    From: "George S. Coy" <george.coy@gmail.com>
    Subject: Spinning the 52
    Richard, As you well know, the Yak-52 is NOT an ex-military aircraft. It was designed for civilian air clubs for sport flying. Some were later used as trainers for the military. There exists official training manuals for the aircraft in Russian and translated to English. That said, I could not agree more about your point about spin training. George Coy From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:18 AM Subject: Yak-List: Spinning the 52 I am concerned when I read people referring to "the 52 POH". Quite simply, the 52 is an ex-military aircraft and no such document in a Western sense exists. I have six different versions of a 52 flight manual, three of which make absolutely no mention of any issues about spinning. So, it goes back to the fundamental advice of getting proper instruction from someone genuinely experienced on the type! Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com


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    Time: 06:07:56 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
    Subject: Spinning the 52
    George - to an extent you are right, but only a small one! This is an issue that we in Europe have had lawyers going into great detail. We can only fly the 52 in most European countries on the basis that it is ex-military, and we were able to get agreement to the fact that Russian DOSAAF, which was the operator of the aircraft was the sport flying side of the Russian Air Force - quite simply there were no "civilian air clubs" of the sort that we understand in the West. The more important point I was making is that I have one flight manual from Aerostar as the manufacturer; I have another from Yakovlev; I have two different ones from DOSAAF, and two others as well, so firstly they must be confusion as to which is the official one, and by implication, the correct one but, critically, three of these suggest that the 52 spinning characteristics are totally benign. But we are at one on the issue of proper spin training, which, in my view, too many people do not obtain. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy Sent: 20 November 2014 13:02 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spinning the 52 Richard, As you well know, the Yak-52 is NOT an ex-military aircraft. It was designed for civilian air clubs for sport flying. Some were later used as trainers for the military. There exists official training manuals for the aircraft in Russian and translated to English. That said, I could not agree more about your point about spin training. George Coy From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:18 AM Subject: Yak-List: Spinning the 52 I am concerned when I read people referring to "the 52 POH". Quite simply, the 52 is an ex-military aircraft and no such document in a Western sense exists. I have six different versions of a 52 flight manual, three of which make absolutely no mention of any issues about spinning. So, it goes back to the fundamental advice of getting proper instruction from someone genuinely experienced on the type! Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com www.mypilotstore.com www.mrrace.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by <http://www.mailscanner.info/> MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by <http://www.mailscanner.info/> MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 06:28:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Missing entire threads
    From: "Ernie" <erniel29@gmail.com>
    Yep, I'm definitely missing threads. I went to the Matronics site to get a private email and while I was there I checked the posts. I found replies to my post which I never received via email. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434168#434168


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    Time: 06:44:17 AM PST US
    From: William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Spinning the 52
    So that sounds like a good place to close the spinning issue. Let me some it up; If you haven=92t spun your yak, don=92t. Unless you go somewhere for instruction. And leave your computer at home. On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote: > George ' to an extent you are right, but only a small one! This is an issue that we in Europe have had lawyers going into great detail. We can only fly the 52 in most European countries on the basis that it is ex-military, and we were able to get agreement to the fact that Russian DOSAAF, which was the operator of the aircraft was the sport flying side of the Russian Air Force ' quite simply there were no "civilian air clubs" of the sort that we understand in the West. > > The more important point I was making is that I have one flight manual from Aerostar as the manufacturer; I have another from Yakovlev; I have two different ones from DOSAAF, and two others as well, so firstly they must be confusion as to which is the official one, and by implication, the correct one but, critically, three of these suggest that the 52 spinning characteristics are totally benign. > > But we are at one on the issue of proper spin training, which, in my view, too many people do not obtain. > > Richard Goode Aerobatics > Rhodds Farm > Lyonshall > Hereford > HR5 3LW > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 > www.russianaeros.com > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy > Sent: 20 November 2014 13:02 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spinning the 52 > > Richard, As you well know, the Yak-52 is NOT an ex-military aircraft. It was designed for civilian air clubs for sport flying. Some were later used as trainers for the military. There exists official training manuals for the aircraft in Russian and translated to English. That said, I could not agree more about your point about spin training. > George Coy > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:18 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Spinning the 52 > > I am concerned when I read people referring to "the 52 POH". Quite simply, the 52 is an ex-military aircraft and no such document in a Western sense exists. I have six different versions of a 52 flight manual, three of which make absolutely no mention of any issues about spinning. So, it goes back to the fundamental advice of getting proper instruction from someone genuinely experienced on the type! > > Richard Goode Aerobatics > Rhodds Farm > Lyonshall > Hereford > HR5 3LW > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 > www.russianaeros.com > > > > > > www.aeroelectric.com > www.buildersbooks.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > www.mypilotstore.com > www.mrrace.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > www.aeroelectric.com > www.buildersbooks.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > www.mypilotstore.com > www.mrrace.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > >


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    Time: 07:11:25 AM PST US
    From: "schwartzcompany@att.net" <schwartzcompany@att.net>
    I was curious about the comments regarding yak 52 not being a former milita ry aircraft. Although the aircraft was designed by Russia and for sure was used by civil flight schools there. However in other countries different si tuation.- In Romania, where the aircraft was produced (aerostar) the yak designated iak-52 was acquired by the military for primary flight training. - It served that purpose begining in 1986 at Focsani airbase and continue s today at the 20th airbase (Boboc). There is a airshow group in romania no w flying the yak 52 TW which was never a military aircraft. Although a very nice design. =0AI personaly know the author of the romanian yak pilot manu al capt Lascar Banu.- I also have the russian version=0AI have asked capt banu (ret) to comment about spins. I also asked the current yak school com mander to commment on spin training as it is provided at Boboc.-- Thank s folks=0ABob=0A=0ASent from Yahoo Mail on Android=0A=0A


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    Time: 07:22:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Yak Pilot needs our support
    From: Shaun Dawson <scdawson@gmail.com>
    I voted yesterday, it was looking like we might win. Let us know how it comes out! Shaun On Wednesday, November 19, 2014, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote: > I voted last night > Doug > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Terry Calloway <terrycalloway@mac.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','terrycalloway@mac.com');>> wrote: > >> Hey Guys, >> I don=99t ask for much but I do want you to help our struggling CJ pilot >> friend and part time musician Jeff Pritchard. He is in a contest for th e >> best office design. >> >> Go to the website below, have a look at the options and vote for the >> clear choice - Pilot Properties. >> >> We can win this! We need your help tonight. Vote Pilot Properties! >> >> >> http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/madness/coolest-offices-pilot-propert ies-vs-vantage-point.html >> >> This is all in fun, and lets show em we=99ve got a helluva pilot c ommunity. >> >> Thanks; >> Pumper >> >> * >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks. com> >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> >> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/ contribution> >> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List <http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List> >> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >> >> * >> >> > * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== nics.com/Navigator?Yak-List> =========== =========== > > * > >


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    Time: 07:45:32 AM PST US
    From: "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
    Subject: Early Cold
    Richard, Can I substitute seven foot tall drifts of tumbleweeds in front of my hangars for exercise in lieu of snow? Mark Davis N44YK -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hess Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:37 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Early Cold Craig, Don't be a wiener! Man up! Some of the guys actually thrive in cold and snow and ice. Think of the exercise you're missing not having three or four feet of snow to shovel, or the joy of turning gasoline into noise with your trusty leaf/snow blower. You don't know what you're missing... :-)~ Richard Hess President International Jets, Inc. Gadsden, AL O 256-442-8099 C 404-964-4885 www.InternationalJets.com > On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote: > > > Tough going for many this season. I feel your cold. After 2 days of > 40's in the morning I'll have to breakout the Sunshine Shovel to clear > the pad in front of my hanger :) > > Craig Payne > > > >


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    Time: 09:29:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Spinning the 52
    From: "PaulW" <paul@budcyber.com>
    How do you rate the POH sold by Mark Jefferies on his site YAK UK Ltd? English translation from the Russian DOSAAF 1987 version. And the one from Steve Culp "Yak 52 Training School & Maintenance Flight Manual Service Aerobatic" ? This is a compilation of translated manuals and diagrams, etc. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434180#434180


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    Time: 09:44:48 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
    Subject: Re: Spinning the 52
    I have read it - after a European fatal 52 spinning accident, I obtained all flight manuals/POHs that I could get, and was surprised by the many areas of difference, some significant. Of course I was specifically looking at spinning issues, and the differences were noticeable. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PaulW Sent: 20 November 2014 17:29 Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spinning the 52 How do you rate the POH sold by Mark Jefferies on his site YAK UK Ltd? English translation from the Russian DOSAAF 1987 version. And the one from Steve Culp "Yak 52 Training School & Maintenance Flight Manual Service Aerobatic" ? This is a compilation of translated manuals and diagrams, etc. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434180#434180 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 11:14:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Real Pilot!
    From: Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com>
    Balls...need Em to root around in mud stirring tree limbs. Now Blade, let's talk Frag patterns. Doc Sent from my iPad > On Nov 19, 2014, at 11:31 AM, jblake207@comcast.net wrote: > > For the record, found out yesterday that Blitz is actually a real pilot... He flew the H-19, the HH-43 and both the CH-3B&C. I'll bet there were a fe w more aero-machines that he could add to the list. You Rock Blitz! JB > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >


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    Time: 11:25:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Early Cold
    From: Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com>
    Ice cubes on the privates for one. Doc Sent from my iPad > On Nov 20, 2014, at 6:36 AM, Richard Hess <hess737@aol.com> wrote: > > > Craig, > Don't be a wiener! Man up! Some of the guys actually thrive in cold and snow and ice. Think of the exercise you're missing not having three or four feet of snow to shovel, or the joy of turning gasoline into noise with your trusty leaf/snow blower. You don't know what you're missing... :-)~ > > Richard Hess > President > International Jets, Inc. > Gadsden, AL > O 256-442-8099 > C 404-964-4885 > www.InternationalJets.com > > >> On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Tough going for many this season. I feel your cold. After 2 days of 40's in the morning I'll have to breakout the Sunshine Shovel to clear the pad in front of my hanger :) >> >> Craig Payne > > > > >


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    Time: 12:54:58 PM PST US
    Subject: CJ6 Front canopy seal
    From: "Ttail" <ttail@internode.on.net>
    I need to replace the front canopy seal. How is this held in place .... Glue or requires disassembly of the front canopy arch ? [/i] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434187#434187


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    Time: 01:23:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Spinning the 52
    From: Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
    One would carefully add : if you want to give it a try, fly high, very high! !! Didier Blouzard +33(0)6 5184 4802 > Le 20 nov. 2014 =C3- 15:43, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> a =C3=A9cr it : > > So that sounds like a good place to close the spinning issue. > Let me some it up; If you haven=99t spun your yak, don=99t. Un less you go somewhere for instruction. And leave your computer at home. > > >> On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.co m> wrote: >> >> George =93 to an extent you are right, but only a small one! This i s an issue that we in Europe have had lawyers going into great detail. We ca n only fly the 52 in most European countries on the basis that it is ex-mili tary, and we were able to get agreement to the fact that Russian DOSAAF, whi ch was the operator of the aircraft was the sport flying side of the Russian Air Force =93 quite simply there were no "civilian air clubs" of the s ort that we understand in the West. >> >> The more important point I was making is that I have one flight manual fr om Aerostar as the manufacturer; I have another from Yakovlev; I have two di fferent ones from DOSAAF, and two others as well, so firstly they must be co nfusion as to which is the official one, and by implication, the correct one but, critically, three of these suggest that the 52 spinning characteristic s are totally benign. >> >> But we are at one on the issue of proper spin training, which, in my view , too many people do not obtain. >> >> Richard Goode Aerobatics >> Rhodds Farm >> Lyonshall >> Hereford >> HR5 3LW >> >> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 >> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 >> www.russianaeros.com >> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy >> Sent: 20 November 2014 13:02 >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spinning the 52 >> >> Richard, As you well know, the Yak-52 is NOT an ex-military aircraft. It w as designed for civilian air clubs for sport flying. Some were later used as trainers for the military. There exists official training manuals for the a ircraft in Russian and translated to English. That said, I could not agree m ore about your point about spin training. >> George Coy >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode >> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:18 AM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Yak-List: Spinning the 52 >> >> I am concerned when I read people referring to "the 52 POH". Quite simply , the 52 is an ex-military aircraft and no such document in a Western sense e xists. I have six different versions of a 52 flight manual, three of which m ake absolutely no mention of any issues about spinning. So, it goes back to t he fundamental advice of getting proper instruction from someone genuinely e xperienced on the type! >> >> Richard Goode Aerobatics >> Rhodds Farm >> Lyonshall >> Hereford >> HR5 3LW >> >> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 >> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 >> www.russianaeros.com >> >> >> >> >> >> www.aeroelectric.com >> www.buildersbooks.com >> www.homebuilthelp.com >> www.mypilotstore.com >> www.mrrace.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> >> www.aeroelectric.com >> www.buildersbooks.com >> www.homebuilthelp.com >> www.mypilotstore.com >> www.mrrace.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> >> style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">www.aeroelectric.com >> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/" style="color: purple; text-decor ation: underline;">www.buildersbooks.com >> style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">www.homebuilthelp.co m >> style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">www.mypilotstore.com >> style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">www.mrrace.com >> style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://www.matronics .com/contribution >> style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-List >> purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://forums.matronics.com >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >


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    Time: 01:26:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Spinning the 52
    From: Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com>
    Hmmm...been 10 years since I intentionally spun one but recognized impending entry and recovered without devoting a full spin a number of times. Now saying that if you have never experienced spins in the YAK do not go the re until you have. When you do remember it takes roughly 1000 feet to recove r. Beats the 6 -10 K for the Viper. Altitude is your practice friend. Doc Sent from my iPad > On Nov 20, 2014, at 8:43 AM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote: > > So that sounds like a good place to close the spinning issue. > Let me some it up; If you haven=99t spun your yak, don=99t. Un less you go somewhere for instruction. And leave your computer at home. > > >> On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.co m> wrote: >> >> George =93 to an extent you are right, but only a small one! This i s an issue that we in Europe have had lawyers going into great detail. We ca n only fly the 52 in most European countries on the basis that it is ex-mili tary, and we were able to get agreement to the fact that Russian DOSAAF, whi ch was the operator of the aircraft was the sport flying side of the Russian Air Force =93 quite simply there were no "civilian air clubs" of the s ort that we understand in the West. >> >> The more important point I was making is that I have one flight manual fr om Aerostar as the manufacturer; I have another from Yakovlev; I have two di fferent ones from DOSAAF, and two others as well, so firstly they must be co nfusion as to which is the official one, and by implication, the correct one but, critically, three of these suggest that the 52 spinning characteristic s are totally benign. >> >> But we are at one on the issue of proper spin training, which, in my view , too many people do not obtain. >> >> Richard Goode Aerobatics >> Rhodds Farm >> Lyonshall >> Hereford >> HR5 3LW >> >> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 >> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 >> www.russianaeros.com >> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy >> Sent: 20 November 2014 13:02 >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spinning the 52 >> >> Richard, As you well know, the Yak-52 is NOT an ex-military aircraft. It w as designed for civilian air clubs for sport flying. Some were later used as trainers for the military. There exists official training manuals for the a ircraft in Russian and translated to English. That said, I could not agree m ore about your point about spin training. >> George Coy >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode >> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:18 AM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Yak-List: Spinning the 52 >> >> I am concerned when I read people referring to "the 52 POH". Quite simply , the 52 is an ex-military aircraft and no such document in a Western sense e xists. I have six different versions of a 52 flight manual, three of which m ake absolutely no mention of any issues about spinning. So, it goes back to t he fundamental advice of getting proper instruction from someone genuinely e xperienced on the type! >> >> Richard Goode Aerobatics >> Rhodds Farm >> Lyonshall >> Hereford >> HR5 3LW >> >> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 >> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 >> www.russianaeros.com >> >> >> >> >> >> www.aeroelectric.com >> www.buildersbooks.com >> www.homebuilthelp.com >> www.mypilotstore.com >> www.mrrace.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> >> www.aeroelectric.com >> www.buildersbooks.com >> www.homebuilthelp.com >> www.mypilotstore.com >> www.mrrace.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> >> style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">www.aeroelectric.com >> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/" style="color: purple; text-decor ation: underline;">www.buildersbooks.com >> style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">www.homebuilthelp.co m >> style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">www.mypilotstore.com >> style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">www.mrrace.com >> style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://www.matronics .com/contribution >> style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-List >> purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >


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    Time: 01:29:15 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Yak Pilot needs our support
    From: Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
    Done!!, Didier Blouzard +33(0)6 5184 4802 > Le 19 nov. 2014 =C3- 15:10, Terry Calloway <terrycalloway@mac.com> a =C3 =A9crit : > > Hey Guys, > I don=99t ask for much but I do want you to help our struggling CJ p ilot friend and part time musician Jeff Pritchard. He is in a contest for t he best office design. > > Go to the website below, have a look at the options and vote for the clear choice - Pilot Properties. > > We can win this! We need your help tonight. Vote Pilot Properties! > > http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/madness/coolest-offices-pilot-propertie s-vs-vantage-point.html > > This is all in fun, and lets show em we=99ve got a helluva pilot com munity. > > Thanks; > Pumper > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >


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    Time: 01:40:50 PM PST US
    From: Nigel Willson <nigel@yakdisplay.com>
    Subject: Spinning the 52
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    From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
    Subject: Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52
    Well written. That said, I own a 50 and it spins and recovers nicely. ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] on behalf of bill wade [bwade154@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 Paul what Barry is trying to convey to you is the Yak 52 has a very different from conventional aircraft's UPRIGHT FLAT SPIN recovery and although we can tell you where the controls need to be for that recovery it definitely needs to be experienced with by someone that has flat spun a Yak 52 not a Cessna not a Beech not a Piper not even a Jet a Yak 52 only. I've been trying to perfect my acro maneuvers for about 14 years now and I've yet to have the yak do anything unpredictable i.e. gone flat unintentionally actually the only time my airplane has flat spun is during my training and I got my spin training from Nicolai Timofeev it was pricey but what's your life worth? I know of at least three airplanes that have spun to the ground with no survivors. Study accident reports you will also find that many have perished from low level acro. Study why aircraft spin, what power does to a spinning aircraft what attitude has to do with entering a spin. My Yak has enabled me to learn things most pilots never experience. Continue to learn Paul and don' FU*K UP and kill yourself it makes the rest of the Yak CJ family look bad Living the dream Bill Wade Yak 52 N4450Y ________________________________ From: PaulW <paul@budcyber.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 4:12 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 barryhancock wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > Few comments here: > > > Also, your normal upright spin recovery technique seems waaay to complicated and limited to me. First, what about spins to the left? Second, having a ground reference is nice IF you are doing a competition spin and IF it is a secondary reference to looking over the nose. Fixating on a point on the ground is a good way to meet said point face to face. The point should be identified before you begin the spin and it's only referenced with peripheral vision as you look over the nose, but I digress. Third, why "pull slow" out of a dive? You don't want a secondary stall/spin, obviously, but you also need to minimize altitude loss. I don't mean to be harsh here, but from what you've written it seems to me you need more training to be safe spinning the -52. > > . > . > > As to wether or not Finigan's technique will work with the Yak-52, I'll ask him. He told me he's tried it in dozens of aircraft with similar results...but there are always exceptions, so I wouldn't count on it as a 'go to' unless and until it is demonstrated to work reliably in all situations. > . > . > . > Inverted, accelerated, and flat spins are all different and, like any other maneuver, should NOT be..... attempted without first receiving dual instruction from a well qualified instructor. ;) > > > Barry Hi Point taken. just on current instructor, he also flew T-6's in competition, etc, owned a'52, etc. But I do get your point and will certainly keep it in mind. As far as my notes are concerned on the spin....yes, it is based on competition spins where you need to stop on heading and the notes was just my own with right as an example but of course left will just be the opposite inputs. Better would have been to just say opposite rudder, etc. Pull back slowly out of dive was more a note to myself as I had the tendency to pull to hard and then plane wanted to stall and go into an opposite secondary spin. I don't understand why you say it is complicated as that is basically what the 52 POH says as well what I learned first hand. Including pull out smoothly where I mention slowly. The only difference is that I have the one extra step when you stop the spin, you neutralise rudders and push the stick briskly forward and back. I understand that is to unload the wings? What do you suggest would be the correct procedure? Another yes, I am still a beginner and not attempting any aero's on my own yet. I think I have about 25 hours on the YAK of which maybe 15 or so Aero's (including Spins) plus 6 hours aero's on a C152. So still a lot to learn. I won't be doing aero's on my own till cleared by an instructor that I will be save out there. But please share procedures for recoveries for normal upright, inverted, flat, etc and I can discuss with my instructor or other instructors. I promise not to go and attempt it on my own.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewt> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434101#434101> htsp; -Yak-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>a href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.mat===================


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    Time: 02:33:16 PM PST US
    From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
    Subject: Real Pilot!
    EXCUSE ME? What about "Frag Patterns?" What would an Air Force Flight Doc know about Close Air Support? Not burning you up here Doc, but leave Close Air Support to the Marines, unless you possibly are flying a Hog. Just saying Viper Doc. Mark ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] on behalf of Roger Kemp [f16viperdoc@me.com] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Real Pilot! Balls...need Em to root around in mud stirring tree limbs. Now Blade, let's talk Frag patterns. Doc Sent from my iPad On Nov 19, 2014, at 11:31 AM, jblake207@comcast.net<mailto:jblake207@comcast.net> wrote: For the record, found out yesterday that Blitz is actually a real pilot... He flew the H-19, the HH-43 and both the CH-3B&C. I'll bet there were a few more aero-machines that he could add to the list. You Rock Blitz! JB


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    Time: 02:49:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Real Pilot!
    From: Richard Hess <hess737@aol.com>
    Yes, A-10 guys know all about CAS. Heck, we even lived in tents and ate MREs. Almost Grunts in Blue !!!=0A=0A=0ARichard Hess=0APresident=0AInternational Jets, Inc.=0ACell 404-964-4885=0A=0A=0A=0A -----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD, WD <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>=0ATo: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com >=0ASent: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 5:33 pm=0ASubject: RE: Yak-List: R rk G CIV NAVAIR, WD" =0A<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>=0A=0AEXCUSE ME?=0A =0A=0A=0AWhat about "Frag Patterns?" What would an Air For ce Flight Doc know about =0AClose Air Support?=0A=0A=0A=0ANot bu rning you up here Doc, but leave Close Air Support to the Marines, unless =0Ayou possibly are flying a Hog.=0A=0A=0A=0AJust saying Viper Doc.=0A=0A=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________ ___________________=0AFrom: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-l ist-server@matronics.com] =0Aon behalf of Roger Kemp [f16viperdoc@me .com]=0ASent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:14 PM=0ATo: yak-list@m atronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Real Pilot!=0A=0ABalls...need Em to root around in mud stirring tree limbs.=0ANow Blade, let 's talk Frag patterns.=0ADoc=0A=0ASent from my iPad=0A=0AOn Nov 19, 2014, at 11:31 AM, jblake207@comcast.net<mailto:jblake207@comcast. net> =0Awrote:=0A=0AFor the record, found out yesterday that Bli tz is actually a real pilot... He =0Aflew the H-19, the HH -43 and both the CH-3B&C. I'll bet there were a few mor e =0Aaero-machines that he could add to the list. You Roc =========================== =========================== -Matt Dralle, =========================== =========================== =========================== =============0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A


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    Time: 03:51:58 PM PST US
    From: William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Spinning the 52
    Good advice. On Nov 20, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Nigel Willson <nigel@yakdisplay.com> wrote: > One would even more carefully add that only fools would try it themselves EVEN from a very high height. > That=92s because you=92ll NOT recover AT ALL (irrespective of your starting height) unless you KNOW and APPLY and HOLD the FULL CORRECT Yak52 recovery action=85. > > > Regards, > Nigel Willson > Flying Instructor/Examiner and Display Pilot > _________________________________________________ > email: nigel@yakdisplay.com > mobile: (+44) 7809 116676 > web: http://yakdisplay.com > <image001.png> > __________________________________________________________________________ ______ > > > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Didier BLOUZARD > Sent: 20 November 2014 21:23 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spinning the 52 > > One would carefully add : if you want to give it a try, fly high, very high!!! > > Didier Blouzard > +33(0)6 5184 4802 > > Le 20 nov. 2014 =E0 15:43, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> a =E9crit : > > So that sounds like a good place to close the spinning issue. > Let me some it up; If you haven=92t spun your yak, don=92t. Unless you go somewhere for instruction. And leave your computer at home. > > > On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote: > > > George ' to an extent you are right, but only a small one! This is an issue that we in Europe have had lawyers going into great detail. We can only fly the 52 in most European countries on the basis that it is ex-military, and we were able to get agreement to the fact that Russian DOSAAF, which was the operator of the aircraft was the sport flying side of the Russian Air Force ' quite simply there were no "civilian air clubs" of the sort that we understand in the West. > > The more important point I was making is that I have one flight manual from Aerostar as the manufacturer; I have another from Yakovlev; I have two different ones from DOSAAF, and two others as well, so firstly they must be confusion as to which is the official one, and by implication, the correct one but, critically, three of these suggest that the 52 spinning characteristics are totally benign. > > But we are at one on the issue of proper spin training, which, in my view, too many people do not obtain. > > Richard Goode Aerobatics > Rhodds Farm > Lyonshall > Hereford > HR5 3LW > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 > www.russianaeros.com > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy > Sent: 20 November 2014 13:02 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spinning the 52 > > Richard, As you well know, the Yak-52 is NOT an ex-military aircraft. It was designed for civilian air clubs for sport flying. Some were later used as trainers for the military. There exists official training manuals for the aircraft in Russian and translated to English. That said, I could not agree more about your point about spin training. > George Coy > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:18 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Spinning the 52 > > I am concerned when I read people referring to "the 52 POH". Quite simply, the 52 is an ex-military aircraft and no such document in a Western sense exists. I have six different versions of a 52 flight manual, three of which make absolutely no mention of any issues about spinning. 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    Time: 03:58:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Yak Pilot needs our support
    From: Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com>
    Now that was easy. Hope he wins!! On Nov 19, 2014 5:29 PM, "Terry Calloway" <terrycalloway@mac.com> wrote: > Hey Guys, > I don=99t ask for much but I do want you to help our struggling CJ pilot > friend and part time musician Jeff Pritchard. He is in a contest for the > best office design. > > Go to the website below, have a look at the options and vote for the clea r > choice - Pilot Properties. > > We can win this! We need your help tonight. Vote Pilot Properties! > > > http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/madness/coolest-offices-pilot-properti es-vs-vantage-point.html > > This is all in fun, and lets show em we=99ve got a helluva pilot co mmunity. > > Thanks; > Pumper > > * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== nics.com/Navigator?Yak-List> =========== =========== > > * > >


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    Time: 04:30:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: CJ6 Front canopy seal
    From: Jeff <f1rocket@unusualattitude.ca>
    Yes it requires drilling and re-riveting the front arch. Jeff Sent from my iPad > On Nov 20, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Ttail <ttail@internode.on.net> wrote: > > > I need to replace the front canopy seal. How is this held in place .... Glue or requires disassembly of the front canopy arch ? > > > > [/i] > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434187#434187 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:58:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Prop nut torque
    From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
    can someone give me a definitive answer for the torque value for the main prop nut for the Housai prop. I have gotten values ranging from 250 to 750 ft lbs. and can you provide the source, since I cannot find it in the manual.


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    Time: 07:18:41 PM PST US
    From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Prop nut torque
    50 to 60 KGM or 370 to 430 lb/ft. It is in the Tech. Specs Manual, pg. 216. Of course it is also in the component overhaul manual which gives a much more detailed view of the propellor and many other parts of the aircraft. Doug has them. Walt From: Ernest Martinez Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:58 PM Subject: Yak-List: Prop nut torque can someone give me a definitive answer for the torque value for the main prop nut for the Housai prop. I have gotten values ranging from 250 to 750 ft lbs. and can you provide the source, since I cannot find it in the manual.


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    Time: 07:47:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Prop nut torque
    From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
    Thank you! On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca> wrote: > 50 to 60 KGM or 370 to 430 lb/ft. It is in the Tech. Specs Manual, > pg. 216. Of course it is also in the component overhaul manual which > gives a much more detailed view of the propellor and many other parts of > the aircraft. Doug has them. > > Walt > > *From:* Ernest Martinez > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','erniel29@gmail.com');> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:58 PM > *To:* yak-list <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','yak-list@matronics.com');> > *Subject:* Yak-List: Prop nut torque > > can someone give me a definitive answer for the torque value for the main > prop nut for the Housai prop. I have gotten values ranging from 250 to 75 0 > ft lbs. and can you provide the source, since I cannot find it in the > manual. > > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com>">www.ae roelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com>">www. buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com> > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com>">www. homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> > href="http://www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com>">www.my pilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> > href="http://www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com>">www.mrrace.com <ht tp://www.mrrace.com> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution>">http://www.matronics.com/chref= <http://www.matronics.com/c href=>"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List <http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Yak-List>">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List <http: //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List> > href="http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>">http:/ /forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> > > * > > * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== nics.com/Navigator?Yak-List> =========== =========== > > * > >


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    Time: 08:59:26 PM PST US
    From: "Dr. Herbert Coussons" <drc@wscare.com>
    Subject: Re: Spinning the 52
    To all who care to read the detail. If not skip to the last paragraph. I will try to upload cockpit video of upright spins to You Tube I also have some crappy video of inverted spins. I will post that to. Herb Dr. Herb Coussons, MD drc@wscare.com 2641 Development Drive Green Bay, WI 54311 Cell 920-639-8434 Work 920-338-6868 Fax 920-338-6869


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    Time: 11:31:03 PM PST US
    Subject: CJ-6 spare parts
    From: "annysun" <annysun.ato@gmail.com>
    Hello, everyone, We have some aircraft spare parts for sales. Some of them are list here for your rederence. If you have this kind of need, pls feel free to let us know. S/N Item No. Description Qty in Stock Condition 1 M-9 Rotor Rotor-Magneto 1 brand new 2 H2-6400-04 Lord Mount Rubber Set-Huosai 1 brand new 3 H2-4250-00 Nose Landing Gear Actuator 3 brand new 4 H2-4150-00 Main Landing Gear Actuator 2 brand new 5 QDF-1 Valve Starter Solenoid 2 brand new 6 H2-5525-00 Air hose set 5 brand new 7 H2-5528-00/1 Air hose set 5 brand new 8 H2-5528-00/3 Air hose set 5 brand new 9 H2-5529-00 Air hose set 5 brand new 10 H2-5531-00 Air hose set 5 brand new 11 H2-5532-00/3 Air hose set 6 brand new 12 H2-5533-00 Air hose set 2 brand new 13 H2-5523-00 Air hose set 9 brand new 14 H2-5524-00 Air hose set 5 brand new 15 H2-5526-00 Air hose set 4 brand new 16 H2-5532-00/5 Air hose set 6 brand new 17 H2-6100-100/1 Fuel hose set 5 brand new 18 H2-6100-100/2 Fuel hose set 1 brand new 19 H2-6100-100/3 Fuel hose set 5 brand new 20 H2-6100-300 Fuel hose set 3 brand new 21 Q/5A4-45G21-10-15-260 Fuel hose set 8 brand new 22 H2-6812-400 exhaust part 1 brand new 23 J9-G1 Propeller/08+ 1 brand new 24 J9-G1 Propeller/11+ 1 brand new 25 H2-2030-01 Wing bolt front spar large 3 brand new 26 QDF-1 Valve Starter Solenoid 1 brand new 27 DZ-5 spark plugs 285HP() 10 brand new 28 J9-G1 Propeller 3 brand new 29 QS-1 pressure reducing volve 4 brand new 30 QS-2 Brake valve differential 8 brand new 31 SRQ-14 oil radiator 3 brand new 32 H2-4150-00 main landing gear actuator 1 brand new 33 H2-4250-00 nose LG actuator 5 brand new 34 H2-4110-00-1 main landing gear 2 brand new 35 H2-4110-00-2 main landing gear 1 brand new 36 H2-4210-00 nose landing gear 2 brand new 37 H2-6112-00A-1 oil tank 6 brand new 38 H2-6112-00A-2 oil tank 4 brand new 39 ZSQ-6 Lubricator 4 brand new 40 QSF-6A air switch 8 brand new 41 LS-2 Brake and wheel 2 brand new 42 400*150 nose tyre 2 brand new 43 BZW-2 instrument turn and bank 7 brand new 44 ZZ30-1C rotate speed indicator 15 brand new 45 301 aircraft clock 3 brand new 46 TKR-123 ultra-short wave radio set 2 brand new 47 LL6 covering cloth for CJ-6 3 brand new 48 SBL-40 convertor 7 brand new 49 SBL-53 convertor 3 brand new 50 CB-32A engine oil pump 5 brand new 51 QDF-1 valve starter soleniod 3 brand new 52 ganged switch 2 brand new 53 H2-5710-00 flap actuator 2 brand new 54 hydraulic filter 1 brand new 55 sensor 1 brand new 56 TH-3 compass gyro 3 brand new 57 QHQ-14A carburettor 2 brand new 58 TS-1 Prop governer 2 brand new 59 SB-1 Pump manual fuel wobble pump 5 brand new 60 ZAV-2 current and voltage indicator 4 brand new 61 FL-3 compass amplifier 5 brand new 62 QXF-32 charging valve 9 brand new 63 ZZ30-1C rotate speed indicator 15 brand new 64 BYQ80-1A Air pressure guage 3 brand new 65 nose LG uplock release 4 brand new 66 ZH-4 magnetic direction indicator 2 brand new 67 DH-1 boost coil 2 brand new 68 BG12-1A altimeter 1 brand new 69 BC-10 rate of climb indication instrument 6 brand new 70 BYJ-1 incoming air pressure guage 3 brand new 71 H6A.04.012 Air valve inner spring 2 brand new 72 H6A.04.011 Air valve outer spring 5 brand new 73 H6A.04.004 Exhaust valve 1 brand new 74 H6A.04.043 2 Cable for fixing rocker chamber cap 1 brand new 75 H6A.04.006 Exhaust valve seat 2 brand new 76 H6 G 806 Nut spanner for air inlet duct 4 brand new 77 H6 G 817 Top dead indicator Component 2 brand new 78 64414 028 Special spanner 1 brand new 79 64414 034 Special spanner 1 brand new 80 H2-4230-40 Lock hook actuator 3 brand new 81 LS2-13 Steel collar 2 brand new 82 H2-4112102 Dust-proof cover 1 brand new Best Regards, Anny Sun Email:annysun.ato@gmail.com Skype:anny_ato[/b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434211#434211




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