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1. 04:15 AM - Early Cold (Cpayne)
2. 04:18 AM - Spinning the 52 (Richard Goode)
3. 04:37 AM - Re: Early Cold (Richard Hess)
4. 05:02 AM - Re: Spinning the 52 (George S. Coy)
5. 06:07 AM - Re: Spinning the 52 (Richard Goode)
6. 06:28 AM - Re: Missing entire threads (Ernie)
7. 06:44 AM - Re: Spinning the 52 (William Geipel)
8. 07:11 AM - (schwartzcompany@att.net)
9. 07:22 AM - Re: Yak Pilot needs our support (Shaun Dawson)
10. 07:45 AM - Re: Early Cold (Mark Davis)
11. 09:29 AM - Re: Spinning the 52 (PaulW)
12. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: Spinning the 52 (Richard Goode)
13. 11:14 AM - Re: Real Pilot! (Roger Kemp)
14. 11:25 AM - Re: Early Cold (Roger Kemp)
15. 12:54 PM - CJ6 Front canopy seal (Ttail)
16. 01:23 PM - Re: Spinning the 52 (Didier BLOUZARD)
17. 01:26 PM - Re: Spinning the 52 (Roger Kemp)
18. 01:29 PM - Re: Yak Pilot needs our support (Didier BLOUZARD)
19. 01:40 PM - Re: Spinning the 52 (Nigel Willson)
20. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
21. 02:33 PM - Re: Real Pilot! (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
22. 02:49 PM - Re: Real Pilot! (Richard Hess)
23. 03:51 PM - Re: Spinning the 52 (William Geipel)
24. 03:58 PM - Re: Yak Pilot needs our support (Greg Wrobel)
25. 04:30 PM - Re: CJ6 Front canopy seal (Jeff)
26. 05:58 PM - Prop nut torque (Ernest Martinez)
27. 07:18 PM - Re: Prop nut torque (Walter Lannon)
28. 07:47 PM - Re: Prop nut torque (Ernest Martinez)
29. 08:59 PM - Re: Spinning the 52 (Dr. Herbert Coussons)
30. 11:31 PM - CJ-6 spare parts (annysun)
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Tough going for many this season. I feel your cold. After 2 days of 40's in the
morning I'll have to breakout the Sunshine Shovel to clear the pad in front of
my hanger :)
Craig Payne
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I am concerned when I read people referring to "the 52 POH". Quite simply,
the 52 is an ex-military aircraft and no such document in a Western sense
exists. I have six different versions of a 52 flight manual, three of which
make absolutely no mention of any issues about spinning. So, it goes back to
the fundamental advice of getting proper instruction from someone genuinely
experienced on the type!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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Craig,
Don't be a wiener! Man up! Some of the guys actually thrive in cold and snow and
ice. Think of the exercise you're missing not having three or four feet of snow
to shovel, or the joy of turning gasoline into noise with your trusty leaf/snow
blower. You don't know what you're missing... :-)~
Richard Hess
President
International Jets, Inc.
Gadsden, AL
O 256-442-8099
C 404-964-4885
www.InternationalJets.com
> On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
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>
> Tough going for many this season. I feel your cold. After 2 days of 40's in the
morning I'll have to breakout the Sunshine Shovel to clear the pad in front
of my hanger :)
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
>
>
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Richard, As you well know, the Yak-52 is NOT an ex-military aircraft. It was
designed for civilian air clubs for sport flying. Some were later used as
trainers for the military. There exists official training manuals for the
aircraft in Russian and translated to English. That said, I could not agree
more about your point about spin training.
George Coy
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:18 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Spinning the 52
I am concerned when I read people referring to "the 52 POH". Quite simply,
the 52 is an ex-military aircraft and no such document in a Western sense
exists. I have six different versions of a 52 flight manual, three of which
make absolutely no mention of any issues about spinning. So, it goes back to
the fundamental advice of getting proper instruction from someone genuinely
experienced on the type!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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George - to an extent you are right, but only a small one! This is an issue
that we in Europe have had lawyers going into great detail. We can only fly
the 52 in most European countries on the basis that it is ex-military, and
we were able to get agreement to the fact that Russian DOSAAF, which was the
operator of the aircraft was the sport flying side of the Russian Air Force
- quite simply there were no "civilian air clubs" of the sort that we
understand in the West.
The more important point I was making is that I have one flight manual from
Aerostar as the manufacturer; I have another from Yakovlev; I have two
different ones from DOSAAF, and two others as well, so firstly they must be
confusion as to which is the official one, and by implication, the correct
one but, critically, three of these suggest that the 52 spinning
characteristics are totally benign.
But we are at one on the issue of proper spin training, which, in my view,
too many people do not obtain.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy
Sent: 20 November 2014 13:02
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spinning the 52
Richard, As you well know, the Yak-52 is NOT an ex-military aircraft. It was
designed for civilian air clubs for sport flying. Some were later used as
trainers for the military. There exists official training manuals for the
aircraft in Russian and translated to English. That said, I could not agree
more about your point about spin training.
George Coy
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:18 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Spinning the 52
I am concerned when I read people referring to "the 52 POH". Quite simply,
the 52 is an ex-military aircraft and no such document in a Western sense
exists. I have six different versions of a 52 flight manual, three of which
make absolutely no mention of any issues about spinning. So, it goes back to
the fundamental advice of getting proper instruction from someone genuinely
experienced on the type!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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Subject: | Re: Missing entire threads |
Yep,
I'm definitely missing threads. I went to the Matronics site to get a private email
and while I was there I checked the posts. I found replies to my post which
I never received via email.
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Subject: | Re: Spinning the 52 |
So that sounds like a good place to close the spinning issue.
Let me some it up; If you haven=92t spun your yak, don=92t. Unless you
go somewhere for instruction. And leave your computer at home.
On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
> George ' to an extent you are right, but only a small one! This is
an issue that we in Europe have had lawyers going into great detail. We
can only fly the 52 in most European countries on the basis that it is
ex-military, and we were able to get agreement to the fact that Russian
DOSAAF, which was the operator of the aircraft was the sport flying side
of the Russian Air Force ' quite simply there were no "civilian air
clubs" of the sort that we understand in the West.
>
> The more important point I was making is that I have one flight manual
from Aerostar as the manufacturer; I have another from Yakovlev; I have
two different ones from DOSAAF, and two others as well, so firstly they
must be confusion as to which is the official one, and by implication,
the correct one but, critically, three of these suggest that the 52
spinning characteristics are totally benign.
>
> But we are at one on the issue of proper spin training, which, in my
view, too many people do not obtain.
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy
> Sent: 20 November 2014 13:02
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spinning the 52
>
> Richard, As you well know, the Yak-52 is NOT an ex-military aircraft.
It was designed for civilian air clubs for sport flying. Some were later
used as trainers for the military. There exists official training
manuals for the aircraft in Russian and translated to English. That
said, I could not agree more about your point about spin training.
> George Coy
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:18 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Spinning the 52
>
> I am concerned when I read people referring to "the 52 POH". Quite
simply, the 52 is an ex-military aircraft and no such document in a
Western sense exists. I have six different versions of a 52 flight
manual, three of which make absolutely no mention of any issues about
spinning. So, it goes back to the fundamental advice of getting proper
instruction from someone genuinely experienced on the type!
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
>
>
>
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I was curious about the comments regarding yak 52 not being a former milita
ry aircraft. Although the aircraft was designed by Russia and for sure was
used by civil flight schools there. However in other countries different si
tuation.- In Romania, where the aircraft was produced (aerostar) the yak
designated iak-52 was acquired by the military for primary flight training.
- It served that purpose begining in 1986 at Focsani airbase and continue
s today at the 20th airbase (Boboc). There is a airshow group in romania no
w flying the yak 52 TW which was never a military aircraft. Although a very
nice design. =0AI personaly know the author of the romanian yak pilot manu
al capt Lascar Banu.- I also have the russian version=0AI have asked capt
banu (ret) to comment about spins. I also asked the current yak school com
mander to commment on spin training as it is provided at Boboc.-- Thank
s folks=0ABob=0A=0ASent from Yahoo Mail on Android=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Yak Pilot needs our support |
I voted yesterday, it was looking like we might win.
Let us know how it comes out!
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Richard,
Can I substitute seven foot tall drifts of tumbleweeds in front of my
hangars for exercise in lieu of snow?
Mark Davis
N44YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hess
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Early Cold
Craig,
Don't be a wiener! Man up! Some of the guys actually thrive in cold and snow
and ice. Think of the exercise you're missing not having three or four feet
of snow to shovel, or the joy of turning gasoline into noise with your
trusty leaf/snow blower. You don't know what you're missing... :-)~
Richard Hess
President
International Jets, Inc.
Gadsden, AL
O 256-442-8099
C 404-964-4885
www.InternationalJets.com
> On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Tough going for many this season. I feel your cold. After 2 days of
> 40's in the morning I'll have to breakout the Sunshine Shovel to clear
> the pad in front of my hanger :)
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Spinning the 52 |
How do you rate the POH sold by Mark Jefferies on his site YAK UK Ltd?
English translation from the Russian DOSAAF 1987 version.
And the one from Steve Culp "Yak 52 Training School & Maintenance Flight Manual
Service Aerobatic" ?
This is a compilation of translated manuals and diagrams, etc.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434180#434180
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Subject: | Re: Spinning the 52 |
I have read it - after a European fatal 52 spinning accident, I obtained all
flight manuals/POHs that I could get, and was surprised by the many areas of
difference, some significant. Of course I was specifically looking at
spinning issues, and the differences were noticeable.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PaulW
Sent: 20 November 2014 17:29
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spinning the 52
How do you rate the POH sold by Mark Jefferies on his site YAK UK Ltd?
English translation from the Russian DOSAAF 1987 version.
And the one from Steve Culp "Yak 52 Training School & Maintenance Flight
Manual Service Aerobatic" ?
This is a compilation of translated manuals and diagrams, etc.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434180#434180
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Balls...need Em to root around in mud stirring tree limbs.
Now Blade, let's talk Frag patterns.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 19, 2014, at 11:31 AM, jblake207@comcast.net wrote:
>
> For the record, found out yesterday that Blitz is actually a real pilot...
He flew the H-19, the HH-43 and both the CH-3B&C. I'll bet there were a fe
w more aero-machines that he could add to the list. You Rock Blitz! JB
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Ice cubes on the privates for one.
Doc
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> On Nov 20, 2014, at 6:36 AM, Richard Hess <hess737@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Craig,
> Don't be a wiener! Man up! Some of the guys actually thrive in cold and snow
and ice. Think of the exercise you're missing not having three or four feet of
snow to shovel, or the joy of turning gasoline into noise with your trusty leaf/snow
blower. You don't know what you're missing... :-)~
>
> Richard Hess
> President
> International Jets, Inc.
> Gadsden, AL
> O 256-442-8099
> C 404-964-4885
> www.InternationalJets.com
>
>
>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Tough going for many this season. I feel your cold. After 2 days of 40's in
the morning I'll have to breakout the Sunshine Shovel to clear the pad in front
of my hanger :)
>>
>> Craig Payne
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | CJ6 Front canopy seal |
I need to replace the front canopy seal. How is this held in place .... Glue or
requires disassembly of the front canopy arch ?
[/i]
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Subject: | Re: Spinning the 52 |
One would carefully add : if you want to give it a try, fly high, very high!
!!
Didier Blouzard
+33(0)6 5184 4802
> Le 20 nov. 2014 =C3- 15:43, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> a =C3=A9cr
it :
>
> So that sounds like a good place to close the spinning issue.
> Let me some it up; If you haven=99t spun your yak, don=99t. Un
less you go somewhere for instruction. And leave your computer at home.
>
>
>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.co
m> wrote:
>>
>> George =93 to an extent you are right, but only a small one! This i
s an issue that we in Europe have had lawyers going into great detail. We ca
n only fly the 52 in most European countries on the basis that it is ex-mili
tary, and we were able to get agreement to the fact that Russian DOSAAF, whi
ch was the operator of the aircraft was the sport flying side of the Russian
Air Force =93 quite simply there were no "civilian air clubs" of the s
ort that we understand in the West.
>>
>> The more important point I was making is that I have one flight manual fr
om Aerostar as the manufacturer; I have another from Yakovlev; I have two di
fferent ones from DOSAAF, and two others as well, so firstly they must be co
nfusion as to which is the official one, and by implication, the correct one
but, critically, three of these suggest that the 52 spinning characteristic
s are totally benign.
>>
>> But we are at one on the issue of proper spin training, which, in my view
, too many people do not obtain.
>>
>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>> Rhodds Farm
>> Lyonshall
>> Hereford
>> HR5 3LW
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>> www.russianaeros.com
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy
>> Sent: 20 November 2014 13:02
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spinning the 52
>>
>> Richard, As you well know, the Yak-52 is NOT an ex-military aircraft. It w
as designed for civilian air clubs for sport flying. Some were later used as
trainers for the military. There exists official training manuals for the a
ircraft in Russian and translated to English. That said, I could not agree m
ore about your point about spin training.
>> George Coy
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:18 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spinning the 52
>>
>> I am concerned when I read people referring to "the 52 POH". Quite simply
, the 52 is an ex-military aircraft and no such document in a Western sense e
xists. I have six different versions of a 52 flight manual, three of which m
ake absolutely no mention of any issues about spinning. So, it goes back to t
he fundamental advice of getting proper instruction from someone genuinely e
xperienced on the type!
>>
>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>> Rhodds Farm
>> Lyonshall
>> Hereford
>> HR5 3LW
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>> www.russianaeros.com
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Subject: | Re: Spinning the 52 |
Hmmm...been 10 years since I intentionally spun one but recognized impending
entry and recovered without devoting a full spin a number of times.
Now saying that if you have never experienced spins in the YAK do not go the
re until you have. When you do remember it takes roughly 1000 feet to recove
r. Beats the 6 -10 K for the Viper. Altitude is your practice friend.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 20, 2014, at 8:43 AM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So that sounds like a good place to close the spinning issue.
> Let me some it up; If you haven=99t spun your yak, don=99t. Un
less you go somewhere for instruction. And leave your computer at home.
>
>
>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.co
m> wrote:
>>
>> George =93 to an extent you are right, but only a small one! This i
s an issue that we in Europe have had lawyers going into great detail. We ca
n only fly the 52 in most European countries on the basis that it is ex-mili
tary, and we were able to get agreement to the fact that Russian DOSAAF, whi
ch was the operator of the aircraft was the sport flying side of the Russian
Air Force =93 quite simply there were no "civilian air clubs" of the s
ort that we understand in the West.
>>
>> The more important point I was making is that I have one flight manual fr
om Aerostar as the manufacturer; I have another from Yakovlev; I have two di
fferent ones from DOSAAF, and two others as well, so firstly they must be co
nfusion as to which is the official one, and by implication, the correct one
but, critically, three of these suggest that the 52 spinning characteristic
s are totally benign.
>>
>> But we are at one on the issue of proper spin training, which, in my view
, too many people do not obtain.
>>
>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>> Rhodds Farm
>> Lyonshall
>> Hereford
>> HR5 3LW
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>> www.russianaeros.com
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy
>> Sent: 20 November 2014 13:02
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spinning the 52
>>
>> Richard, As you well know, the Yak-52 is NOT an ex-military aircraft. It w
as designed for civilian air clubs for sport flying. Some were later used as
trainers for the military. There exists official training manuals for the a
ircraft in Russian and translated to English. That said, I could not agree m
ore about your point about spin training.
>> George Coy
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:18 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spinning the 52
>>
>> I am concerned when I read people referring to "the 52 POH". Quite simply
, the 52 is an ex-military aircraft and no such document in a Western sense e
xists. I have six different versions of a 52 flight manual, three of which m
ake absolutely no mention of any issues about spinning. So, it goes back to t
he fundamental advice of getting proper instruction from someone genuinely e
xperienced on the type!
>>
>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>> Rhodds Farm
>> Lyonshall
>> Hereford
>> HR5 3LW
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>> www.russianaeros.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> www.buildersbooks.com
>> www.homebuilthelp.com
>> www.mypilotstore.com
>> www.mrrace.com
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
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>>
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>>
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Subject: | Re: Yak Pilot needs our support |
Done!!,
Didier Blouzard
+33(0)6 5184 4802
> Le 19 nov. 2014 =C3- 15:10, Terry Calloway <terrycalloway@mac.com> a =C3
=A9crit :
>
> Hey Guys,
> I don=99t ask for much but I do want you to help our struggling CJ p
ilot friend and part time musician Jeff Pritchard. He is in a contest for t
he best office design.
>
> Go to the website below, have a look at the options and vote for the clear
choice - Pilot Properties.
>
> We can win this! We need your help tonight. Vote Pilot Properties!
>
> http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/madness/coolest-offices-pilot-propertie
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>
> This is all in fun, and lets show em we=99ve got a helluva pilot com
munity.
>
> Thanks;
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Subject: | Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 |
Well written.
That said, I own a 50 and it spins and recovers nicely.
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
on behalf of bill wade [bwade154@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52
Paul what Barry is trying to convey to you is the Yak 52 has a very different from
conventional aircraft's UPRIGHT FLAT SPIN recovery and although we can tell
you where the controls need to be for that recovery it definitely needs to be
experienced with by someone that has flat spun a Yak 52 not a Cessna not a Beech
not a Piper not even a Jet a Yak 52 only. I've been trying to perfect my
acro maneuvers for about 14 years now and I've yet to have the yak do anything
unpredictable i.e. gone flat unintentionally actually the only time my airplane
has flat spun is during my training and I got my spin training from Nicolai
Timofeev it was pricey but what's your life worth?
I know of at least three airplanes that have spun to the ground with no survivors.
Study accident reports you will also find that many have perished from low
level acro. Study why aircraft spin, what power does to a spinning aircraft what
attitude has to do with entering a spin. My Yak has enabled me to learn things
most pilots never experience. Continue to learn Paul and don' FU*K UP and
kill yourself it makes the rest of the Yak CJ family look bad
Living the dream Bill Wade Yak 52 N4450Y
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From: PaulW <paul@budcyber.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 4:12 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52
barryhancock wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Few comments here:
>
>
> Also, your normal upright spin recovery technique seems waaay to complicated
and limited to me. First, what about spins to the left? Second, having a ground
reference is nice IF you are doing a competition spin and IF it is a secondary
reference to looking over the nose. Fixating on a point on the ground is
a good way to meet said point face to face. The point should be identified before
you begin the spin and it's only referenced with peripheral vision as you
look over the nose, but I digress. Third, why "pull slow" out of a dive? You
don't want a secondary stall/spin, obviously, but you also need to minimize
altitude loss. I don't mean to be harsh here, but from what you've written it
seems to me you need more training to be safe spinning the -52.
>
> .
> .
>
> As to wether or not Finigan's technique will work with the Yak-52, I'll ask him.
He told me he's tried it in dozens of aircraft with similar results...but
there are always exceptions, so I wouldn't count on it as a 'go to' unless and
until it is demonstrated to work reliably in all situations.
> .
> .
> .
> Inverted, accelerated, and flat spins are all different and, like any other maneuver,
should NOT be..... attempted without first receiving dual instruction
from a well qualified instructor. ;)
>
>
> Barry
Hi
Point taken. just on current instructor, he also flew T-6's in competition, etc,
owned a'52, etc.
But I do get your point and will certainly keep it in mind.
As far as my notes are concerned on the spin....yes, it is based on competition
spins where you need to stop on heading and the notes was just my own with right
as an example but of course left will just be the opposite inputs. Better
would have been to just say opposite rudder, etc.
Pull back slowly out of dive was more a note to myself as I had the tendency to
pull to hard and then plane wanted to stall and go into an opposite secondary
spin.
I don't understand why you say it is complicated as that is basically what the
52 POH says as well what I learned first hand. Including pull out smoothly where
I mention slowly.
The only difference is that I have the one extra step when you stop the spin, you
neutralise rudders and push the stick briskly forward and back. I understand
that is to unload the wings?
What do you suggest would be the correct procedure?
Another yes, I am still a beginner and not attempting any aero's on my own yet.
I think I have about 25 hours on the YAK of which maybe 15 or so Aero's (including
Spins) plus 6 hours aero's on a C152.
So still a lot to learn.
I won't be doing aero's on my own till cleared by an instructor that I will be
save out there.
But please share procedures for recoveries for normal upright, inverted, flat,
etc and I can discuss with my instructor or other instructors. I promise not to
go and attempt it on my own....
Read this topic online here:
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EXCUSE ME?
What about "Frag Patterns?" What would an Air Force Flight Doc know about Close
Air Support?
Not burning you up here Doc, but leave Close Air Support to the Marines, unless
you possibly are flying a Hog.
Just saying Viper Doc.
Mark
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
on behalf of Roger Kemp [f16viperdoc@me.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Real Pilot!
Balls...need Em to root around in mud stirring tree limbs.
Now Blade, let's talk Frag patterns.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 19, 2014, at 11:31 AM, jblake207@comcast.net<mailto:jblake207@comcast.net> wrote:
For the record, found out yesterday that Blitz is actually a real pilot... He flew
the H-19, the HH-43 and both the CH-3B&C. I'll bet there were a few more
aero-machines that he could add to the list. You Rock Blitz! JB
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Yes, A-10 guys know all about CAS. Heck, we even lived in
tents and ate MREs. Almost Grunts in Blue !!!=0A=0A=0ARichard
Hess=0APresident=0AInternational Jets, Inc.=0ACell 404-964-4885=0A=0A=0A=0A
-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR,
WD, WD <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>=0ATo: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com
>=0ASent: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 5:33 pm=0ASubject: RE: Yak-List: R
rk G CIV NAVAIR, WD" =0A<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>=0A=0AEXCUSE ME?=0A
=0A=0A=0AWhat about "Frag Patterns?" What would an Air For
ce Flight Doc know about =0AClose Air Support?=0A=0A=0A=0ANot bu
rning you up here Doc, but leave Close Air Support to the
Marines, unless =0Ayou possibly are flying a Hog.=0A=0A=0A=0AJust
saying Viper Doc.=0A=0A=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
___________________=0AFrom: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-l
ist-server@matronics.com] =0Aon behalf of Roger Kemp [f16viperdoc@me
.com]=0ASent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:14 PM=0ATo: yak-list@m
atronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Real Pilot!=0A=0ABalls...need Em
to root around in mud stirring tree limbs.=0ANow Blade, let
's talk Frag patterns.=0ADoc=0A=0ASent from my iPad=0A=0AOn Nov
19, 2014, at 11:31 AM, jblake207@comcast.net<mailto:jblake207@comcast.
net> =0Awrote:=0A=0AFor the record, found out yesterday that Bli
tz is actually a real pilot... He =0Aflew the H-19, the HH
-43 and both the CH-3B&C. I'll bet there were a few mor
e =0Aaero-machines that he could add to the list. You Roc
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Subject: | Re: Spinning the 52 |
Good advice.
On Nov 20, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Nigel Willson <nigel@yakdisplay.com> wrote:
> One would even more carefully add that only fools would try it
themselves EVEN from a very high height.
> That=92s because you=92ll NOT recover AT ALL (irrespective of your
starting height) unless you KNOW and APPLY and HOLD the FULL CORRECT
Yak52 recovery action=85.
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> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Didier
BLOUZARD
> Sent: 20 November 2014 21:23
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spinning the 52
>
> One would carefully add : if you want to give it a try, fly high, very
high!!!
>
> Didier Blouzard
> +33(0)6 5184 4802
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> Le 20 nov. 2014 =E0 15:43, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> a =E9crit
:
>
> So that sounds like a good place to close the spinning issue.
> Let me some it up; If you haven=92t spun your yak, don=92t. Unless you
go somewhere for instruction. And leave your computer at home.
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
>
>
> George ' to an extent you are right, but only a small one! This is
an issue that we in Europe have had lawyers going into great detail. We
can only fly the 52 in most European countries on the basis that it is
ex-military, and we were able to get agreement to the fact that Russian
DOSAAF, which was the operator of the aircraft was the sport flying side
of the Russian Air Force ' quite simply there were no "civilian air
clubs" of the sort that we understand in the West.
>
> The more important point I was making is that I have one flight manual
from Aerostar as the manufacturer; I have another from Yakovlev; I have
two different ones from DOSAAF, and two others as well, so firstly they
must be confusion as to which is the official one, and by implication,
the correct one but, critically, three of these suggest that the 52
spinning characteristics are totally benign.
>
> But we are at one on the issue of proper spin training, which, in my
view, too many people do not obtain.
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
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> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy
> Sent: 20 November 2014 13:02
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spinning the 52
>
> Richard, As you well know, the Yak-52 is NOT an ex-military aircraft.
It was designed for civilian air clubs for sport flying. Some were later
used as trainers for the military. There exists official training
manuals for the aircraft in Russian and translated to English. That
said, I could not agree more about your point about spin training.
> George Coy
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:18 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Spinning the 52
>
> I am concerned when I read people referring to "the 52 POH". Quite
simply, the 52 is an ex-military aircraft and no such document in a
Western sense exists. I have six different versions of a 52 flight
manual, three of which make absolutely no mention of any issues about
spinning. So, it goes back to the fundamental advice of getting proper
instruction from someone genuinely experienced on the type!
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
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Subject: | Re: Yak Pilot needs our support |
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Subject: | Re: CJ6 Front canopy seal |
Yes it requires drilling and re-riveting the front arch.
Jeff
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can someone give me a definitive answer for the torque value for the main
prop nut for the Housai prop. I have gotten values ranging from 250 to 750
ft lbs. and can you provide the source, since I cannot find it in the
manual.
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Subject: | Re: Prop nut torque |
50 to 60 KGM or 370 to 430 lb/ft. It is in the Tech. Specs Manual, pg.
216. Of course it is also in the component overhaul manual which gives
a much more detailed view of the propellor and many other parts of the
aircraft. Doug has them.
Walt
From: Ernest Martinez
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:58 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Prop nut torque
can someone give me a definitive answer for the torque value for the
main prop nut for the Housai prop. I have gotten values ranging from 250
to 750 ft lbs. and can you provide the source, since I cannot find it in
the manual.
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Subject: | Re: Prop nut torque |
Thank you!
On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca> wrote:
> 50 to 60 KGM or 370 to 430 lb/ft. It is in the Tech. Specs Manual,
> pg. 216. Of course it is also in the component overhaul manual which
> gives a much more detailed view of the propellor and many other parts of
> the aircraft. Doug has them.
>
> Walt
>
> *From:* Ernest Martinez
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> *Subject:* Yak-List: Prop nut torque
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> can someone give me a definitive answer for the torque value for the main
> prop nut for the Housai prop. I have gotten values ranging from 250 to 75
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Subject: | Re: Spinning the 52 |
To all who care to read the detail. If not skip to the last paragraph.
I will try to upload cockpit video of upright spins to You Tube
I also have some crappy video of inverted spins. I will post that to.
Herb
Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
drc@wscare.com
2641 Development Drive
Green Bay, WI 54311
Cell 920-639-8434
Work 920-338-6868
Fax 920-338-6869
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Subject: | CJ-6 spare parts |
Hello, everyone,
We have some aircraft spare parts for sales. Some of them are list here for your
rederence.
If you have this kind of need, pls feel free to let us know.
S/N Item No. Description Qty in Stock Condition
1 M-9 Rotor Rotor-Magneto 1 brand new
2 H2-6400-04 Lord Mount Rubber Set-Huosai 1 brand new
3 H2-4250-00 Nose Landing Gear Actuator 3 brand new
4 H2-4150-00 Main Landing Gear Actuator 2 brand new
5 QDF-1 Valve Starter Solenoid 2 brand new
6 H2-5525-00 Air hose set 5 brand new
7 H2-5528-00/1 Air hose set 5 brand new
8 H2-5528-00/3 Air hose set 5 brand new
9 H2-5529-00 Air hose set 5 brand new
10 H2-5531-00 Air hose set 5 brand new
11 H2-5532-00/3 Air hose set 6 brand new
12 H2-5533-00 Air hose set 2 brand new
13 H2-5523-00 Air hose set 9 brand new
14 H2-5524-00 Air hose set 5 brand new
15 H2-5526-00 Air hose set 4 brand new
16 H2-5532-00/5 Air hose set 6 brand new
17 H2-6100-100/1 Fuel hose set 5 brand new
18 H2-6100-100/2 Fuel hose set 1 brand new
19 H2-6100-100/3 Fuel hose set 5 brand new
20 H2-6100-300 Fuel hose set 3 brand new
21 Q/5A4-45G21-10-15-260 Fuel hose set 8 brand new
22 H2-6812-400 exhaust part 1 brand new
23 J9-G1 Propeller/08+ 1 brand new
24 J9-G1 Propeller/11+ 1 brand new
25 H2-2030-01 Wing bolt front spar large 3 brand new
26 QDF-1 Valve Starter Solenoid 1 brand new
27 DZ-5 spark plugs 285HP() 10 brand new
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30 QS-2 Brake valve differential 8 brand new
31 SRQ-14 oil radiator 3 brand new
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33 H2-4250-00 nose LG actuator 5 brand new
34 H2-4110-00-1 main landing gear 2 brand new
35 H2-4110-00-2 main landing gear 1 brand new
36 H2-4210-00 nose landing gear 2 brand new
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38 H2-6112-00A-2 oil tank 4 brand new
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41 LS-2 Brake and wheel 2 brand new
42 400*150 nose tyre 2 brand new
43 BZW-2 instrument turn and bank 7 brand new
44 ZZ30-1C rotate speed indicator 15 brand new
45 301 aircraft clock 3 brand new
46 TKR-123 ultra-short wave radio set 2 brand new
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49 SBL-53 convertor 3 brand new
50 CB-32A engine oil pump 5 brand new
51 QDF-1 valve starter soleniod 3 brand new
52 ganged switch 2 brand new
53 H2-5710-00 flap actuator 2 brand new
54 hydraulic filter 1 brand new
55 sensor 1 brand new
56 TH-3 compass gyro 3 brand new
57 QHQ-14A carburettor 2 brand new
58 TS-1 Prop governer 2 brand new
59 SB-1 Pump manual fuel wobble pump 5 brand new
60 ZAV-2 current and voltage indicator 4 brand new
61 FL-3 compass amplifier 5 brand new
62 QXF-32 charging valve 9 brand new
63 ZZ30-1C rotate speed indicator 15 brand new
64 BYQ80-1A Air pressure guage 3 brand new
65 nose LG uplock release 4 brand new
66 ZH-4 magnetic direction indicator 2 brand new
67 DH-1 boost coil 2 brand new
68 BG12-1A altimeter 1 brand new
69 BC-10 rate of climb indication instrument 6 brand new
70 BYJ-1 incoming air pressure guage 3 brand new
71 H6A.04.012 Air valve inner spring 2 brand new
72 H6A.04.011 Air valve outer spring 5 brand new
73 H6A.04.004 Exhaust valve 1 brand new
74 H6A.04.043 2 Cable for fixing rocker chamber cap 1 brand new
75 H6A.04.006 Exhaust valve seat 2 brand new
76 H6 G 806 Nut spanner for air inlet duct 4 brand new
77 H6 G 817 Top dead indicator Component 2 brand new
78 64414 028 Special spanner 1 brand new
79 64414 034 Special spanner 1 brand new
80 H2-4230-40 Lock hook actuator 3 brand new
81 LS2-13 Steel collar 2 brand new
82 H2-4112102 Dust-proof cover 1 brand new
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