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1. 03:26 AM - Compressed Air bottles (Cpayne)
2. 07:16 AM - Re: Compressed air (Bill Geipel)
3. 07:21 AM - Re: Compressed air (Ernest Martinez)
4. 07:33 AM - Re: Compressed air (Bill Geipel)
5. 07:48 AM - Re: Compressed air (Ernest Martinez)
6. 08:17 AM - Re: Compressed air (Jan Mevis)
7. 01:00 PM - Re: Very hard to find rocker shaft crush washers for sale (Elmar & Manuela)
8. 01:37 PM - Re: Compressed air (Etienne Verhellen)
9. 02:52 PM - =?US-ASCII?Q?Motor_oil=0A? (Jon Blake)
10. 03:06 PM - Re: Motor oil (A. Dennis Savarese)
11. 03:08 PM - Re: Motor oil (Dave Laird)
12. 03:16 PM - Re: Motor oil (Ernest Martinez)
13. 04:28 PM - Re: Motor oil (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
14. 04:32 PM - Re: Motor oil (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
15. 09:08 PM - Re: Motor oil (Walter Lannon)
16. 10:16 PM - Re: Motor oil (Roger Kemp)
17. 10:20 PM - Re: Motor oil (Roger Kemp)
18. 11:50 PM - Re: Flying the Wilga (Sharky)
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| Subject: | Compressed Air bottles |
I use a 300 cu/ft bottle that was converted from a nitrogen fitting to an air fitting.
Your gas supplier can do this, as well as the hydro test that is due every
10 years. The process used to create medical breathing gas and industrial
compressed air is the same. The difference is whether you require a medical certificate
or not. A big difference in price for the cert.
The filling process starts on a balanced line of other bottles where all are first
purged with Nitrogen, stabilized for several hours and then Oxygen is added
to the correct percentage. This process delivers air that is 99.9% free from
moisture. My last bottle a few weeks ago cost $50 for the fill. My primary test
for any vehicle purchase is if that the bottle and dolly will slide in and
fit.
Don't go Yak without air in the Back :)
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Compressed air |
fire departments will if u b nice.
On May 7, 2015, at 6:02 PM, L29delfin <L29delfin@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The scuba shops here wont fill those big bottles. My yak wont start
on nitrogen. Its a pitty i have huge amount on hand for the L29.
> So I ask for dry breathing air.
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jeff
> Date:07/05/2015 18:36 (GMT-06:00)
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compressed air
>
> ? Breathing air is correct, but it isn't compressed oxygen. Scuba
shops or safety shops can supply. Yes you want dry air, which is what
either will give you.
>
> Jeff
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 7, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Terry Calloway <terrycalloway@mac.com>
wrote:
>
>> Ask for =93breathing air=94 it is compressed regular oxygen.
>> Pumper
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>>> On May 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, schwartzcompany@att.net wrote:
>>>
>>> I am thinking to purchase a large cylinder (300) of compressed air
to have on hand for the yak in the hangar.
>>> I was asked what composition of air I wanted. This left me clueless.
I know I dont want medical oxygen. But there are various types of air.
Dried not dried etc. The scuba tank air has been dried but I dont know
its consistancy
>>> I need.some.help.what to order
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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| Subject: | Re: Compressed air |
Do a Google search for Airgas or Airliquide in your area.
On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
> fire departments will if u b nice.
>
>
> On May 7, 2015, at 6:02 PM, L29delfin <L29delfin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> The scuba shops here wont fill those big bottles. My yak wont start on
> nitrogen. Its a pitty i have huge amount on hand for the L29.
> So I ask for dry breathing air.
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jeff
> Date:07/05/2015 18:36 (GMT-06:00)
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compressed air
>
> ? Breathing air is correct, but it isn't compressed oxygen. Scuba shops
> or safety shops can supply. Yes you want dry air, which is what either wi
ll
> give you.
>
> Jeff
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 7, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Terry Calloway <terrycalloway@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Ask for =9Cbreathing air=9D it is compressed regular oxygen.
> Pumper
>
> On May 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, schwartzcompany@att.net wrote:
>
> I am thinking to purchase a large cylinder (300) of compressed air to hav
e
> on hand for the yak in the hangar.
> I was asked what composition of air I wanted. This left me clueless. I
> know I dont want medical oxygen. But there are various types of air. Drie
d
> not dried etc. The scuba tank air has been dried but I dont know its
> consistancy
> I need.some.help.what to order
> Bob
>
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| Subject: | Re: Compressed air |
Dry air is more expensive than nitrogen.
The fire department used to fill my air tanks. Never hurts to ask.
Then I bought a used pump with dryer that was used by a dive shop.
Filled my own.
On May 8, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do a Google search for Airgas or Airliquide in your area.
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
> fire departments will if u b nice.
>
>
> On May 7, 2015, at 6:02 PM, L29delfin <L29delfin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The scuba shops here wont fill those big bottles. My yak wont start
on nitrogen. Its a pitty i have huge amount on hand for the L29.
>> So I ask for dry breathing air.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Jeff
>> Date:07/05/2015 18:36 (GMT-06:00)
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compressed air
>>
>> ? Breathing air is correct, but it isn't compressed oxygen. Scuba
shops or safety shops can supply. Yes you want dry air, which is what
either will give you.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 7, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Terry Calloway <terrycalloway@mac.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Ask for =93breathing air=94 it is compressed regular oxygen.
>>> Pumper
>>>
>>>> On May 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, schwartzcompany@att.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am thinking to purchase a large cylinder (300) of compressed air
to have on hand for the yak in the hangar.
>>>> I was asked what composition of air I wanted. This left me
clueless. I know I dont want medical oxygen. But there are various types
of air. Dried not dried etc. The scuba tank air has been dried but I
dont know its consistancy
>>>> I need.some.help.what to order
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>> class="">http://forums.matronics.com
>>>> class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Compressed air |
I use a scuba compressor to fill scuba tanks.
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dry air is more expensive than nitrogen.
> The fire department used to fill my air tanks. Never hurts to ask.
> Then I bought a used pump with dryer that was used by a dive shop. Filled
> my own.
>
>
> On May 8, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Do a Google search for Airgas or Airliquide in your area.
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> fire departments will if u b nice.
>>
>>
>> On May 7, 2015, at 6:02 PM, L29delfin <L29delfin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> The scuba shops here wont fill those big bottles. My yak wont start on
>> nitrogen. Its a pitty i have huge amount on hand for the L29.
>> So I ask for dry breathing air.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Jeff
>> Date:07/05/2015 18:36 (GMT-06:00)
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compressed air
>>
>> ? Breathing air is correct, but it isn't compressed oxygen. Scuba shop
s
>> or safety shops can supply. Yes you want dry air, which is what either w
ill
>> give you.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 7, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Terry Calloway <terrycalloway@mac.com> wrote
:
>>
>> Ask for =9Cbreathing air=9D it is compressed regular oxygen
.
>> Pumper
>>
>> On May 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, schwartzcompany@att.net wrote:
>>
>> I am thinking to purchase a large cylinder (300) of compressed air to
>> have on hand for the yak in the hangar.
>> I was asked what composition of air I wanted. This left me clueless. I
>> know I dont want medical oxygen. But there are various types of air. Dri
ed
>> not dried etc. The scuba tank air has been dried but I dont know its
>> consistancy
>> I need.some.help.what to order
>> Bob
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Compressed air |
I use an industrial bottle (Air Liquide). Costs a bit more, but it's dry,
for sure.
For emergency, I have a scuba bottle, refilled by the firefighters in my
town (as metioned on the list, if you ask gently, they might help you).
Jan
From: Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compressed air
Dry air is more expensive than nitrogen.
The fire department used to fill my air tanks. Never hurts to ask.
Then I bought a used pump with dryer that was used by a dive shop. Filled m
y
own.
On May 8, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do a Google search for Airgas or Airliquide in your area.
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
>> fire departments will if u b nice.
>>
>>
>> On May 7, 2015, at 6:02 PM, L29delfin <L29delfin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The scuba shops here wont fill those big bottles. My yak wont start o
n
>>> nitrogen. Its a pitty i have huge amount on hand for the L29.
>>> So I ask for dry breathing air.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Jeff
>>> Date:07/05/2015 18:36 (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compressed air
>>>
>>> ? Breathing air is correct, but it isn't compressed oxygen. Scuba sho
ps or
>>> safety shops can supply. Yes you want dry air, which is what either wil
l
>>> give you.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Terry Calloway <terrycalloway@mac.com> wrot
e:
>>>
>>>> Ask for =B3breathing air=B2 it is compressed regular oxygen.
>>>> Pumper
>>>>
>>>>> On May 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, schwartzcompany@att.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am thinking to purchase a large cylinder (300) of compressed air to
have
>>>>> on hand for the yak in the hangar.
>>>>> I was asked what composition of air I wanted. This left me clueless.
I
>>>>> know I dont want medical oxygen. But there are various types of air.
>>>>> Dried not dried etc. The scuba tank air has been dried but I dont kn
ow
>>>>> its consistancy
>>>>> I need.some.help.what to order
>>>>> Bob
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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| Subject: | Re: Very hard to find rocker shaft crush washers for sale |
the washers are sold, thank you.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Re: Compressed air |
Re: Compressed ... AIR !
(Yakovlevs Display Team Aero India 2015 / VE Day)
Dennis has a very good point :
> Please don't use the word "Oxygen" in conjunction with "breathing air".
> Someone will use "oxygen" when requesting a tank from
> a welding company and bingo, we'll have another
> major accident. i.e. : Like - I'd like a size 300 tank of breathing OXYGEN.
> Ask for dry, breathing air ONLY.
>
It has been mentioned on this forum before but it is worth repeating :
DO NOT put oxygen in the air system !
Unless you want to be blown up - in a literal sense !! - when you start your Yak
(CJ).
Use compressed air only.
NO OXYGEN (O2) in the AIR TANKS ! YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT !
It has been done [Exclamation] [Exclamation]
The pilot and persons around this Yak were very VERY lucky !
You can kill people with this ! [Evil or Very Mad] [Evil or Very Mad]
Have a look at the pics below :
http://forums.matronics.com//files/ly_oli_yak_52_june_2011_16_792.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/ly_oli_yak_52_june_2011_15_168.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/ly_oli_yak_52_june_2011_14_625.jpg
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/ly_oli_yak_52_june_201111_106.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/ly_oli_yak_52_june_2011_9_142.jpg
The aircraft was a WRITE OFF ... Bad but it could have been much MUCH worst.
FLY safe - Have FUN.
Below a few pics of the Yakovlevs Formation Aerobatic Team in India ...
https://youtu.be/VmwadMjfPdM (Yakovlevs Heart)
https://youtu.be/yNSXzjPOovU (Yakovlevs 4 ship Break)
Have a HAPPY VE Day !
8 May 1945 - VE Day - Victory in Europe ... with big help from our friends
on the other side of the Pond.
http://www.aerobuzz.fr/IMG/gif/yak-50_yakovlevs_-_etienne_verhellen_-_13_july_2014_-_barton_eghs.gif
Yakovlevs Formation Loop practice (2 ship) :
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152676471421721
... etc ... ;-)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/
--------
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/240525/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-52/
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/215762/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-52/
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-52/
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441903#441903
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Philips 25W-60 which is for radial engines.From the Philips web site:"X/C 25W-60
Aviation Oil is recommended for use in radial piston
engines and in other aviation piston engines originally designed to
run on heavier-grade oils, such as Commercial Grade 120."
Dennis
From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 4:50 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Motor oil
Need your opinions... I've always used Aeroshell 100 straight 50 weight oil. However,
the local oil company where I've always bought my oil went out of business.
Through another local company I can get the multi viscosity Phillips 20w50,
but not sure about using it in a round motor, especially in the hot environment
of the SE US. What say you? JB
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
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Jon,
http://www.airplaneoil.com/AeroShell_w100_Oil_p/aero100w-qts.htm?gclid=COK
D6YuSs8UCFQsJaQodyrIAKg
One way to get it...
If you go to the Phillips, I'd get 25W60...
It's made for radials.
Some people say the Phillips leaks out of the engine more than the Aeroshell
.
If you search the yak-list with the matronics search engine you'll get a lot
of opinions on this very subject from over many years!
Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Sent from my iPhone.
> On May 8, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Need your opinions... I've always used Aeroshell 100 straight 50 weight oi
l. However, the local oil company where I've always bought my oil went out o
f business. Through another local company I can get the multi viscosity Phil
lips 20w50, but not sure about using it in a round motor, especially in the h
ot environment of the SE US. What say you? JB
>
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Actually, I would recommend 20-60.
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
on behalf of Jon Blake [jblake207@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Motor oil
Need your opinions... I've always used Aeroshell 100 straight 50 weight oil. However,
the local oil company where I've always bought my oil went out of business.
Through another local company I can get the multi viscosity Phillips 20w50,
but not sure about using it in a round motor, especially in the hot environment
of the SE US. What say you? JB
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The main consideration with this kind of oil is the temperature extremes that you
experience. Ernie's Aeroshell 100 is fine if you live in a stable climate
with very little temperature change.
Otherwise Phillips 20-60W Radial Engine Oil is the way to go.
Mark
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
on behalf of Ernest Martinez [erniel29@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Motor oil
My local Sams Club carries the Aeroshell 100. If you have one local ask them to
stock it.
Ernie
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Dave Laird <freighttrain@mac.com<mailto:freighttrain@mac.com>> wrote:
Jon,
http://www.airplaneoil.com/AeroShell_w100_Oil_p/aero100w-qts.htm?gclid=COKD6YuSs8UCFQsJaQodyrIAKg
One way to get it...
If you go to the Phillips, I'd get 25W60...
It's made for radials.
Some people say the Phillips leaks out of the engine more than the Aeroshell.
If you search the yak-list with the matronics search engine you'll get a lot of
opinions on this very subject from over many years!
Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Sent from my iPhone.
On May 8, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net<mailto:jblake207@comcast.net>> wrote:
Need your opinions... I've always used Aeroshell 100 straight 50 weight oil. However,
the local oil company where I've always bought my oil went out of business.
Through another local company I can get the multi viscosity Phillips 20w50,
but not sure about using it in a round motor, especially in the hot environment
of the SE US. What say you? JB
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
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The Phillips designation is actually X/C 25W60.
A quick description of the viscosity identification as some may be confused
by the different numbers: --
The original aviation designation for oil viscosity measurement was given in
Saybolt Universal Seconds or SUS. That is still in use by Shell, Exxon and
others for their traditional oils. E.G. Aeroshell 65, 80, 100 and 120.
Multi-grade aviation oils use the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers)
designation system. E.G. Aeroshell 15W50, Phillips X/C 20W50 and 25W60.
Correlation:-- SUS 120 = SAE 60, SUS 100 = SAE 50, SUS 80 = SAE 40.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Motor oil
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
The main consideration with this kind of oil is the temperature extremes
that you experience. Ernie's Aeroshell 100 is fine if you live in a stable
climate with very little temperature change.
Otherwise Phillips 20-60W Radial Engine Oil is the way to go.
Mark
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] on behalf of Ernest Martinez
[erniel29@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Motor oil
My local Sams Club carries the Aeroshell 100. If you have one local ask them
to stock it.
Ernie
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Dave Laird
<freighttrain@mac.com<mailto:freighttrain@mac.com>> wrote:
Jon,
http://www.airplaneoil.com/AeroShell_w100_Oil_p/aero100w-qts.htm?gclid=COKD6YuSs8UCFQsJaQodyrIAKg
One way to get it...
If you go to the Phillips, I'd get 25W60...
It's made for radials.
Some people say the Phillips leaks out of the engine more than the
Aeroshell.
If you search the yak-list with the matronics search engine you'll get a lot
of opinions on this very subject from over many years!
Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Sent from my iPhone.
On May 8, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Jon Blake
<jblake207@comcast.net<mailto:jblake207@comcast.net>> wrote:
Need your opinions... I've always used Aeroshell 100 straight 50 weight oil.
However, the local oil company where I've always bought my oil went out of
business. Through another local company I can get the multi viscosity
Phillips 20w50, but not sure about using it in a round motor, especially in
the hot environment of the SE US. What say you? JB
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
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Been using Phillips for 10 years. No problems from it for me.
Doc
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> On May 8, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Need your opinions... I've always used Aeroshell 100 straight 50 weight oi
l. However, the local oil company where I've always bought my oil went out o
f business. Through another local company I can get the multi viscosity Phil
lips 20w50, but not sure about using it in a round motor, especially in the h
ot environment of the SE US. What say you? JB
>
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Good post Walt. I had forgotten all that. So much info so few brain bits.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On May 8, 2015, at 11:07 PM, Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
> The Phillips designation is actually X/C 25W60.
>
> A quick description of the viscosity identification as some may be confused by
the different numbers: --
>
> The original aviation designation for oil viscosity measurement was given in
Saybolt Universal Seconds or SUS. That is still in use by Shell, Exxon and others
for their traditional oils. E.G. Aeroshell 65, 80, 100 and 120. Multi-grade
aviation oils use the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) designation
system. E.G. Aeroshell 15W50, Phillips X/C 20W50 and 25W60.
>
> Correlation:-- SUS 120 = SAE 60, SUS 100 = SAE 50, SUS 80 = SAE 40.
>
> Walt
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 4:29 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Motor oil
>
>
> The main consideration with this kind of oil is the temperature extremes that
you experience. Ernie's Aeroshell 100 is fine if you live in a stable climate
with very little temperature change.
>
>
>
> Otherwise Phillips 20-60W Radial Engine Oil is the way to go.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
on behalf of Ernest Martinez [erniel29@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 6:15 PM
> To: yak-list
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Motor oil
>
> My local Sams Club carries the Aeroshell 100. If you have one local ask them
to stock it.
>
> Ernie
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Dave Laird <freighttrain@mac.com<mailto:freighttrain@mac.com>> wrote:
> Jon,
>
> http://www.airplaneoil.com/AeroShell_w100_Oil_p/aero100w-qts.htm?gclid=COKD6YuSs8UCFQsJaQodyrIAKg
>
>
> One way to get it...
>
> If you go to the Phillips, I'd get 25W60...
> It's made for radials.
>
> Some people say the Phillips leaks out of the engine more than the Aeroshell.
>
>
> If you search the yak-list with the matronics search engine you'll get a lot
of opinions on this very subject from over many years!
>
> Dave Laird
> N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
>
> Sent from my iPhone.
>
> On May 8, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net<mailto:jblake207@comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> Need your opinions... I've always used Aeroshell 100 straight 50 weight oil.
However, the local oil company where I've always bought my oil went out of business.
Through another local company I can get the multi viscosity Phillips 20w50,
but not sure about using it in a round motor, especially in the hot environment
of the SE US. What say you? JB
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
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| Subject: | Re: Flying the Wilga |
[quote="ReadeG(at)cairnwood.com"]Elmar:
My experience and opinions re: Wilga 104-80 after 8 years of ownership:
This was a very well presented explanation. I also have a Wilga and it is the same
story.
Flies like a bird and lands like a brick, it is like a wild horse till you get
used to it.
Otherwise beautiful airplane.
Good luck.
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