---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/19/15: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:40 AM - Re: Yak52 Mp14 exhaust. (Mark Willard) 2. 04:46 AM - Re: CJ-6 W&B (DaBear) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: CJ6 Housai (JL2A) 4. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: CJ6 Housai (Ernest Martinez) 5. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: CJ6 Housai (Ernest Martinez) 6. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: CJ6 Housai (Robin Hou) 7. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: CJ6 Housai (Tom Elliott) 8. 10:00 AM - Re: Re: CJ6 Housai (Walter Lannon) 9. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: CJ6 Housai (Ernest Martinez) 10. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: CJ6 Housai (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD) 11. 12:40 PM - Re: CJ6 Housai (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD) 12. 07:11 PM - Re: CJ6 Housai (Roger Kemp) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak52 Mp14 exhaust. From: Mark Willard Hi al, None of the pictures came thru? Mark Sent from my iPad > On May 19, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Al Pickering wrote: > > > Hoping to find a brand new unused and complete exhaust for our 52 > > Contact off list if you can help. > > Thanks > Al inOz. > Sent from Alspad. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ-6 W&B From: DaBear I have one I did for a CJ pilot in England. I'll send it out when I get ba ck from this trip. Randy DeVere > On May 18, 2015, at 21:20, Jeff Deuchar wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Does anyone out there have a simple (imperial) weight and balance spread s heet that they are willing to share with me? Just trying to make heads and t ails of the manual and my numbers... > > Thanks, > Jeff > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:50 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ6 Housai From: "JL2A" Has anyone ever actually put egt probes in an hs6? Would be interested to see what sort of impact on fuel flow the cj mixture control has. My feeling is not enough to go LOP, it seems to be a strictly ROP set up Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442322#442322 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ6 Housai From: Ernest Martinez It's not a bonanza, how high/far do you plan on going? On Tuesday, May 19, 2015, JL2A wrote: > > > > Has anyone ever actually put egt probes in an hs6? > > Would be interested to see what sort of impact on fuel flow the cj mixture > control has. My feeling is not enough to go LOP, it seems to be a strictly > ROP set up > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442322#442322 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ6 Housai From: Ernest Martinez And for the record, if the mixture tab is removed you can lean it till it stops running. I've done it. On Tuesday, May 19, 2015, JL2A wrote: > > > > Has anyone ever actually put egt probes in an hs6? > > Would be interested to see what sort of impact on fuel flow the cj mixture > control has. My feeling is not enough to go LOP, it seems to be a strictly > ROP set up > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442322#442322 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:53 AM PST US From: Robin Hou Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ6 Housai Yes, I have GRT EIS on mine. 9 EGT's and 3 CHT's. It is useful to identify which jug is acting up without the "shut down, jump out with laser temp gun in hand" routine. But it is of minimum benefit for leaning. The other day my #4 EGT was higher than normal during run up but even out when applying take off power. I suspected intake leak, so I tighten #4 intake gland nut after the flight. I had 3 more flights so far and high #4 EGT had not repeated. Would I be able to identify the #4 intake leak problem without all 9 EGT's? Most likely not because there was no other indication of problem (no vibration, no power loss, ...). Is the 9-EGT necessary to safely operate a HS6? Most likely not since so many had been operated safely without. As for leaning, at 7000 ft or above, some jugs will go LOP and my engine still runs smoothly. But engine will loss power and surge before all jugs go LOP. I fly often with my friend who has only stock instruments, and our cross country fuel burns are about the same. So my 9-EGT is of minimum benefit for fuel saving. Sent using CloudMagic [https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=pa&cv=6.3.30&pv=4.4.4] On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 6:09 AM, JL2A < info@flyingwarbirds.com.au [info@flyingwarbirds.com.au] > wrote: Has anyone ever actually put egt probes in an hs6? Would be interested to see what sort of impact on fuel flow the cj mixture control has. My feeling is not enough to go LOP, it seems to be a strictly ROP set up Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442322#442322 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:20 AM PST US From: "Tom Elliott" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: CJ6 Housai I routinely go LEAN OF PEAK on my stock CJ at cruise 1850 Rpm wide open throttle when at higher altitudes. Tom Elliott CJ-6A NX63727 777 Quartz Ave PMB 7004 Sandy Valley NV 89019 Cell 541-297-5497 N13472@AOL.COM -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JL2A Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:57 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ6 Housai Has anyone ever actually put egt probes in an hs6? Would be interested to see what sort of impact on fuel flow the cj mixture control has. My feeling is not enough to go LOP, it seems to be a strictly ROP set up Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442322#442322 much more: ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:04 AM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ6 Housai Which of course defeats the purpose of the British style mixture control. With the stop in place a sudden (or any) reduction of power at altitude will not result in the engine quitting since the mixture is enrichened with throttle reduction. I have found on two different CJ=99s that at 7000=99 or higher mixture all the way to the stop is too lean =93 confirming what Robin has found with the EGT probes. Walt From: Ernest Martinez Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 6:03 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ6 Housai And for the record, if the mixture tab is removed you can lean it till it stops running. I've done it. On Tuesday, May 19, 2015, JL2A wrote: Has anyone ever actually put egt probes in an hs6? Would be interested to see what sort of impact on fuel flow the cj mixture control has. My feeling is not enough to go LOP, it seems to be a strictly ROP set up Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442322#442322 ========== List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List ========== FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com ========== b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ6 Housai From: Ernest Martinez I agree, my last CJ had the stop in place and I preferred it. And yes, I was above 7000ft and at full throttle, so I advanced the mixture lever to the throttle. It got very quiet. Ernie On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Walter Lannon wrote: > Which of course defeats the purpose of the British style mixture > control. With the stop in place a sudden (or any) reduction of power at > altitude will not result in the engine quitting since the mixture is > enrichened with throttle reduction. > > I have found on two different CJ=99s that at 7000=99 or high er mixture all > the way to the stop is too lean =93 confirming what Robin has found with the > EGT probes. > > Walt > > *From:* Ernest Martinez > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2015 6:03 AM > *To:* yak-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ6 Housai > > And for the record, if the mixture tab is removed you can lean it till it > stops running. I've done it. > > > On Tuesday, May 19, 2015, JL2A wrote: > >> >> Has anyone ever actually put egt probes in an hs6? >> >> Would be interested to see what sort of impact on fuel flow the cj >> mixture control has. My feeling is not enough to go LOP, it seems to be a >> strictly ROP set up >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442322#442322 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com ">http:/ /forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution ">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > =========== nics.com/Navigator?Yak-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:14 PM PST US From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: CJ6 Housai I've routinely flown my YAK-50 with only 30 gallons of fuel or so from NC to Florida, from NC to Pennsylvania and New York, and to all kinds of points "West". Depending on winds of course, I am anywhere from 10,000 to 12,500 feet. I have also ferried a YAK-50 to Ramona California... took 3 days, but hey. Stopping for fuel and enjoying the company of strangers was much more fun that boring holes in the sky for 4 hours at a time. (Yes, I owned a Beech Debonair a long time ago). If I had "get-there-it is", I'd prefer the Beech or something even faster. If I want to enjoy flying... I stuff myself into the 50. And "stuff myself" is the operative phrase. When I get bored, I just go invented for a while. I personally think these aircraft are truly FUN cross country aircraft. And by the bye, the 50 cruises faster than the Debby. :-) Just no legs. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ6 Housai It's not a bonanza, how high/far do you plan on going? On Tuesday, May 19, 2015, JL2A wrote: Has anyone ever actually put egt probes in an hs6? Would be interested to see what sort of impact on fuel flow the cj mixture control has. My feeling is not enough to go LOP, it seems to be a strictly ROP set up Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442322#442322 ========== List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List ========== FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com ========== b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:09 PM PST US From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ6 Housai Actually if you run out of gas before you get to the runway, you're too poor. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 7:41 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ6 Housai If you run out of gas before you get to the runway.....You're too rich. This list is always so helpful for those in need of technical advice! : ) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ6 Housai From: Roger Kemp Mass quantities of Alcohol? Jeremiah Weed struck again? Doc Sent from my iPad > On May 18, 2015, at 11:39 PM, Tom Elliott wrote: > > Jon why are =C2=BE of your post=99s blank? > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Blake > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:44 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ6 Housai > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.