---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/08/15: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:24 AM - Re: Pre-OSH WI Formation Clinic (AUW) (John Casper) 2. 06:15 PM - CJ Aerobatics (Greg Wrobel) 3. 06:26 PM - Re: CJ Aerobatics (doug sapp) 4. 08:21 PM - Re: CJ Aerobatics (Gary Gabbard) 5. 10:06 PM - Re: CJ Aerobatics (Byron Fox) 6. 11:08 PM - Re: CJ Aerobatics (Robin Hou) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pre-OSH WI Formation Clinic (AUW) From: John Casper Rico. What are the hotels in the area for next weekend. I really don't want t o stay in a dump. John Casper Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 3, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Rico Jaeger wrote: > > To all whom have indicated interest - and anyone who may now be interested - could you please email me confirmation of your arrival and attendance? As of now, the schedule is as follows: (Exact times subject to change) > > FRIDAY, July 17th 12:00 PM: Formation Ground School w/ John Casper > > SATURDAY, July 18th 8 AM: Formation Flying - BBQ / cookout to follow > > SUNDAY, July 19th 11 AM: Mass Redstar departure for AirVenture 2015. > > MONDAY, July 20th: Wausau (AUW) has been advanced as a candidate staging a irport for the all-Warbird mass AirVenture arrival. If this flies, you may w ish to return to Wausau from OSH (30 minutes) to stage and participate. > > As of last check, we had 7 aircraft loosely confirmed. Please contact me A SAP w/ any questions and so that we can better plan the event. > > Thank you! > > > Rico Jaeger > 915 S. 11th Ave. > Wausau, WI. 54401 > 715.529.7426 > // > 1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X > N8558G // > Hangar #35 / AUW > // > 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X > N21YK // > Hangar #21 / AUW > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:23 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: CJ Aerobatics From: Greg Wrobel I can hear it now from the YAK/M14P group. "Aerobatics in a CJ, you got to be kidding". All kidding aside, does anyone have entry speeds or Information on the limited aerobatics I can attempt in a stock CJ? Thanks, Greg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Aerobatics From: doug sapp Greg, I think Blitz at the Red Star store can help you with a manual.............Blitz??? Doug On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Greg Wrobel wrote: > I can hear it now from the YAK/M14P group. "Aerobatics in a CJ, you got to > be kidding". All kidding aside, does anyone have entry speeds or > Information on the limited aerobatics I can attempt in a stock CJ? > > Thanks, Greg > > * > > > * > > -- *Doug* You have to make up your mind about growing up and becoming a pilot. You can't do both. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:27 PM PST US From: Gary Gabbard Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Aerobatics The speeds are listed in the Chinese flight manual. Somewhere. Gary. N22YK Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2015, at 18:23, doug sapp wrote: > > Greg, > I think Blitz at the Red Star store can help you with a manual............ .Blitz??? > > Doug > >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Greg Wrobel wrote: >> I can hear it now from the YAK/M14P group. "Aerobatics in a CJ, you got t o be kidding". All kidding aside, does anyone have entry speeds or Informat ion on the limited aerobatics I can attempt in a stock CJ? >> >> Thanks, Greg >> >> >> >> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > > -- > > Doug > You have to make up your mind about growing up and becoming a pilot. You c an't do both. > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Aerobatics From: Byron Fox The aerobatic manual for CJs is available and downloadable in the RPA's online store. Go to www.flyredstar.org and click on the store. On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Greg Wrobel wrote: > I can hear it now from the YAK/M14P group. "Aerobatics in a CJ, you got to > be kidding". All kidding aside, does anyone have entry speeds or > Information on the limited aerobatics I can attempt in a stock CJ? > > Thanks, Greg > > * > > > * > > -- ... Blitz Byron M. Fox 80 Milland Drive Mill Valley, CA 94941 415-307-2405 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:08:45 PM PST US From: Robin Hou Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Aerobatics This is from an old post by Barry: > The question I have is could someone give me normal entry speeds for > loops , rolls etc, only interested in pretty mild maneuvers just > positive G entry level stuff. Walt, Here's what I use: Rolls - anything over 100 knots, but around 125 KIAS (around normal cruise) is the nicest balance of roll rate and stick force required. Loops & Cubans - 160 KIAS will give you a nice round loop with 4 G pulls at the bottom. If you're not worried about roundness, 3 G's will do 'er with margin over the top. Immelman - 160-165 KIAS Split S - less than 100 KIAS Wing overs - can easily be accomplished from 140 KIAS....keep that ball centered! ;) If you're positive G the whole time, no need to worry about oil level....and if you go negative, it won't matter how much you have in there, you're gonna have a mess without a closed system. ;) Standard disclaimer: None of the above is an endorsement for performing aerobatics in a CJ. Obtain quality instruction and learn to fly any maneuvers competently with a qualified pilot before venturing out on your own. Know and rehearse stall/spin recovery techniques prior to any aerobatic flight. Give your self sufficient altitude to recover and or bailout of an unrecoverable situation. Wear a parachute and have parameters for it's use determined before getting in the cockpit. Kiss your wife and feed your dog...and most importantly have that cheeseburger you've been putting off before you go flying. ;)- Have fun! Barry =EF=BC Sent using CloudMagic [https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=pa&cv=6.3.45&pv=4.4.4] On Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Greg Wrobel < clouddog22@gmail.com [clouddog22@gmail.com] > wrote: I can hear it now from the YAK/M14P group. "Aerobatics in a CJ, you got to be kidding". All kidding aside, does anyone have entry speeds or Information on the limited aerobatics I can attempt in a stock CJ? 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