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1. 09:41 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Jon Blake)
2. 10:10 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Byron Fox)
3. 10:20 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Jon Blake)
4. 10:31 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (migfighter42)
5. 10:58 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Mark Davis)
6. 10:59 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Richard Hess)
7. 11:12 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Byron Fox)
8. 11:30 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 11:36 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
10. 11:48 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
11. 04:10 PM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Jon Blake)
12. 04:28 PM - Yak 52 vs CJ-6A (Byron Fox)
13. 07:46 PM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Roger Kemp)
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 |
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| Subject: | CJ Versus Yak 52 |
Same here. Maybe Blitz is just a man of few words.... : )
Mark Davis
N44YK
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Blake
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
Blitz, may just be my email, but the last two posts by you are coming
thru blank... Or in olden terms... Carrier but no voice. JB
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 |
Same
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
> On Sep 4, 2015, at 12:28 PM, migfighter42 <migfighter42@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Same here,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
> Date: 9/4/2015 12:17 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
> Blitz, may just be my email, but the last two posts by you are coming thru
blank... Or in olden terms... Carrier but no voice. JB
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
>
> Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 |
Justin,
Every one on this list knows me. And they know I'm prejudice as hell
about the two airplanes. As "JB" notes -its what your mission is that's
going
to be your bottom line (along with the price). However having flown most
likely over a 100 flights in the back seat of Yaks - either as formation
instructor/check pilot, been though acrobatics in both, I prefer the CJ-6
and
I've owned mind over 21 years. Although the CJ is not thought of a
acrobatic airplane, I've seen it do just about any maneuver a Yak can do.
It's
more forgiving. YES, it has limits (tail slides for one) but if your new
to
acrobatics - its a better airplane to start in. XC? Yep in a Yak you gota
land every hour & a half. In my CJ I have to land every 2 hours. You se
e my
personal bladder is only worth 2 hours - however I still have over an hou
r
of reserve fuel onboard.
For lots of XC stuff, its very easy to install an auto pilot in a CJ (hel
l
anyone can fly straight & level -let "George" do it.) but it'd play hell
to find the space to put one in a Yak. (I've not heard of it anyway) IO
W
the CJ has airframe to grow into. In a Yak you don't dare let FOD, any
FOD,
get toward the tail.
There others on this list who will swear to God the great attributes of
the Yak, and I will pick a fight with them because in the end it really
depends on what you want. I had a very dear friend (and former long time
Yak-52 owner) confess to me he wish he had bought a CJ first. So for stra
ight
acrobatic and nothing else go Yak. Better all around airplane? go to the
CJ.
BTW a real sleeper left out of this is the Yak 18T. I've seen this
airplane put on a very impressive low altitude routine and than after the
show,
the pilot load up a bunch of his & his wife's personal stuff and head for
home. Not many around, but a neat airplane.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 9/4/2015 12:41:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jblake207@comcast.net writes:
Bottom line on which aircraft to purchase is your primary mission. If you
r
mission is to go out for an hour of hard acro, then the YAK is the way to
go. If you don't plan to wander far from home base, YAK. If you don't
need to carry much more than a shaving kit... YAK. If your mission is
primarily to do formation flying, cross country to airshows with a GIB who
always
packs too many clothes and then some occasional acro, then the CJ is the
way to go. Truth in lending, I'm a happy CJ owner and have never regretted
the choice... Especially when on a cross country with a YAK that has to la
nd
every 1.5 hours for fuel. JB
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Colin, yes I'd love to read the article. .. _draftsjust417@gmail.com_
(mailto:draftsjust417@gmail.com)
Thanks much,
Justin Drafts
N280NC
On Sep 3, 2015 11:44 AM, "Colin McGeachy" <_colinmcgeachy@gmail.com_
(mailto:colinmcgeachy@gmail.com) > wrote:
I have a great magazine article from the UK magazine Flyer, not that I'm
biased, comparing the CJ and the Yak. It's from 96 so the costs per hour
are a little out of date!
It's too large to post on the Yak List (7mb) but if anyone wants a copy
I'd be happy to email it.
Colin
C-FTGZ
On 3 September 2015 at 14:53, Dennis Von Ruden
<_dvonruden@generalequip.com_ (mailto:dvonruden@generalequip.com) > wrote:
Scott:
Saw your post on the Yak List pertaining to CJ versus Yak 52. I tried to
respond directly to you, but my email was rejected.
I was in the same position a few years ago. I even included a Yak 18T on
my shopping list.
I am 6=994=9D and 275 lbs. a lot of pilot to fit into
a small cockpit that
was originally designed for a smaller and younger individual. Comfort rea
lly
influenced my decision.
I chose a CJ6 and have never questioned my decision. Why? The cockpit is
simply larger. If you exceed the 85 percentile man profile, you will stil
l
need to add the Malcolm hood-type canopy (ies) for extra head clearance
(especially with a helmet or headset) and the rudder pedal extensions for
extra
leg room. Both are well worth the investment and have made flying a lot
easier and more comfortable.
My only concern with the CJ is the landing gear lever. In the down
position, I need to make sure my left leg does not bump up against it. Wh
ich, in
turn, reduces the amount of side movement for the control stick. Not that
critical unless you have a stiff left crosswind. In those instances, I
just
allow for it.
I have approximately 1000 hours in a 1974 Grumman AA-1B which I bought
while I was still in college. The Grumman is a lot of fun to fly, but the
CJ
is a lot easier to fly. And, consistently make smooth landings.
Hope this helps. Any other questions, please feel free to call or email.
Thanks
Dennis Von Ruden
(http://www.generalequip.com/)
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 |
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 |
OH dear God! I left out a very important word!!!!
In a message dated 9/4/2015 2:27:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
There others on this list who will swear to God the great attributes of
the Yak, and I will NOT pick a fight with them because in the end it really
depends on what you want.
Geee I'd be needing check my six for eternity.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Jon Blake echoes my thoughts exactly. After 14 years and something north of 1,400
hours in my CJ, I'm still thoroughly delighted with it. But for an hour of
riotous fun my brother, Steve/"POTUS", loved his 52.
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 |
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> On Sep 4, 2015, at 12:55 PM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
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> Same here. Maybe Blitz is just a man of few words.... : )
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
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>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Blake
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:17 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
> Blitz, may just be my email, but the last two posts by you are coming thru
blank... Or in olden terms... Carrier but no voice. JB
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
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