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1. 03:30 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Richard Goode)
2. 03:54 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Richard Hess)
3. 04:35 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Bill Geipel)
4. 04:55 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Richard Goode)
5. 05:14 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Richard Hess)
6. 06:34 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Roger Kemp)
7. 07:50 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 09/04/15 (Michael Li-Paz)
8. 07:50 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 09/04/15 (Michael Li-Paz)
9. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 09/04/15 (Bill Geipel)
10. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 09/04/15 (Byron Fox)
11. 09:02 AM - Yam 18T (Byron Fox)
12. 09:26 AM - Re: Yam 18T (cjpilot710@aol.com)
13. 09:28 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Frank)
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It is interesting that someone should bring up the topic of the 18 T. I hav
e been closely involved with these aircraft since, with Russian friends, we
re-established production at the Smolensk factory in the early 90s, and si
nce then have been responsible for selling a large proportion of those that
are now in the West.
What is often not realised is how much an 18 T can be improved from the sto
ck specification. Particular examples are that almost 250 pounds can be re
moved from the airframe by deleting the very heavy "airline-style" electric
al system; instrument and avionics; additional long-range integral wing tan
ks gives a good five hours endurance; a combination of a 400 hp engine and
three blade MT propeller radically improves performance; it is relatively e
asy to make a much quieter cabin with better sound-proofing; for those inte
rested in aerobatics, it is quite simple to convert the airframe to a full
inverted system (of course the engine already is).
I built up one as a demonstrator, and it would cruise, at altitude, a bit o
ver 160 knots (although 140 was a lot more economical); two up and with lig
ht fuel would climb at almost 2000 feet a minute; would still be climbing a
t 18,000 feet; would operate comfortably out of 400 yards and be able to pu
sh up to an outside loop! And, of course, an absolute delight to fly.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: 04 September 2015 19:28
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
Justin,
Every one on this list knows me. And they know I'm prejudice as hell about
the two airplanes. As "JB" notes -its what your mission is that's going t
o be your bottom line (along with the price). However having flown most li
kely over a 100 flights in the back seat of Yaks - either as formation inst
ructor/check pilot, been though acrobatics in both, I prefer the CJ-6 and I
've owned mind over 21 years. Although the CJ is not thought of a acrobatic
airplane, I've seen it do just about any maneuver a Yak can do. It's more
forgiving. YES, it has limits (tail slides for one) but if your new to acr
obatics - its a better airplane to start in. XC? Yep in a Yak you gota lan
d every hour & a half. In my CJ I have to land every 2 hours. You see my
personal bladder is only worth 2 hours - however I still have over an hour
of reserve fuel onboard.
For lots of XC stuff, its very easy to install an auto pilot in a CJ (hell
anyone can fly straight & level -let "George" do it.) but it'd play hell to
find the space to put one in a Yak. (I've not heard of it anyway) IOW th
e CJ has airframe to grow into. In a Yak you don't dare let FOD, any FOD,
get toward the tail.
There others on this list who will swear to God the great attributes of th
e Yak, and I will pick a fight with them because in the end it really depen
ds on what you want. I had a very dear friend (and former long time Yak-52
owner) confess to me he wish he had bought a CJ first. So for straight acr
obatic and nothing else go Yak. Better all around airplane? go to the CJ.
BTW a real sleeper left out of this is the Yak 18T. I've seen this airplan
e put on a very impressive low altitude routine and than after the show, th
e pilot load up a bunch of his & his wife's personal stuff and head for hom
e. Not many around, but a neat airplane.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 9/4/2015 12:41:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jblake207@
comcast.net writes:
Bottom line on which aircraft to purchase is your primary mission. If your
mission is to go out for an hour of hard acro, then the YAK is the way to g
o. If you don't plan to wander far from home base, YAK. If you don't need
to carry much more than a shaving kit... YAK. If your mission is primaril
y to do formation flying, cross country to airshows with a GIB who always p
acks too many clothes and then some occasional acro, then the CJ is the way
to go. Truth in lending, I'm a happy CJ owner and have never regretted the
choice... Especially when on a cross country with a YAK that has to land e
very 1.5 hours for fuel. JB
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Colin, yes I'd love to read the article. .. draftsjust417@gmail.com
Thanks much,
Justin Drafts
N280NC
On Sep 3, 2015 11:44 AM, "Colin McGeachy" <colinmcgeachy@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a great magazine article from the UK magazine Flyer, not that I'm bi
ased, comparing the CJ and the Yak. It's from 96 so the costs per hour are
a little out of date!
It's too large to post on the Yak List (7mb) but if anyone wants a copy I'd
be happy to email it.
Colin
C-FTGZ
On 3 September 2015 at 14:53, Dennis Von Ruden <dvonruden@generalequip.com>
wrote:
Scott:
Saw your post on the Yak List pertaining to CJ versus Yak 52. I tried to re
spond directly to you, but my email was rejected.
I was in the same position a few years ago. I even included a Yak 18T on my
shopping list.
I am 6=994=9D and 275 lbs. a lot of pilot to fit into
a small cockpit that was originally designed for a smaller and younger indi
vidual. Comfort really influenced my decision.
I chose a CJ6 and have never questioned my decision. Why? The cockpit is si
mply larger. If you exceed the 85 percentile man profile, you will still ne
ed to add the Malcolm hood-type canopy (ies) for extra head clearance (espe
cially with a helmet or headset) and the rudder pedal extensions for extra
leg room. Both are well worth the investment and have made flying a lot eas
ier and more comfortable.
My only concern with the CJ is the landing gear lever. In the down position
, I need to make sure my left leg does not bump up against it. Which, in tu
rn, reduces the amount of side movement for the control stick. Not that cri
tical unless you have a stiff left crosswind. In those instances, I just a
llow for it.
I have approximately 1000 hours in a 1974 Grumman AA-1B which I bought whil
e I was still in college. The Grumman is a lot of fun to fly, but the CJ is
a lot easier to fly. And, consistently make smooth landings.
Hope this helps. Any other questions, please feel free to call or email.
Thanks
Dennis Von Ruden
<http://www.generalequip.com/> http://www.generalequip.com/
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Rich,
What would your demonstrator have cost? Just curious.
Richard Hess
President
International Jets, Inc.
Cell 404-964-4885
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From: Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
Sent: Sat, Sep 5, 2015 6:30 am
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
It is interesting that someone should bring up the topic of the 18 T. I hav
e been closely involved with these aircraft since, with Russian friends, we
re-established production at the Smolensk factory in the early 90s, and si
nce then have been responsible for selling a large proportion of those that
are now in the West.
What is often not realised is how much an 18 T can be improved from the sto
ck specification. Particular examples are that almost 250 pounds can be re
moved from the airframe by deleting the very heavy "airline-style" electric
al system; instrument and avionics; additional long-range integral wing tan
ks gives a good five hours endurance; a combination of a 400 hp engine and
three blade MT propeller radically improves performance; it is relatively e
asy to make a much quieter cabin with better sound-proofing; for those inte
rested in aerobatics, it is quite simple to convert the airframe to a full
inverted system (of course the engine already is).
I built up one as a demonstrator, and it would cruise, at altitude, a bit o
ver 160 knots (although 140 was a lot more economical); two up and with lig
ht fuel would climb at almost 2000 feet a minute; would still be climbing a
t 18,000 feet; would operate comfortably out of 400 yards and be able to pu
sh up to an outside loop! And, of course, an absolute delight to fly.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: 04 September 2015 19:28
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
Justin,
Every one on this list knows me. And they know I'm prejudice as hell about
the two airplanes. As "JB" notes -its what your mission is that's going t
o be your bottom line (along with the price). However having flown most li
kely over a 100 flights in the back seat of Yaks - either as formation inst
ructor/check pilot, been though acrobatics in both, I prefer the CJ-6 and I
've owned mind over 21 years. Although the CJ is not thought of a acrobatic
airplane, I've seen it do just about any maneuver a Yak can do. It's more
forgiving. YES, it has limits (tail slides for one) but if your new to acr
obatics - its a better airplane to start in. XC? Yep in a Yak you gota lan
d every hour & a half. In my CJ I have to land every 2 hours. You see my
personal bladder is only worth 2 hours - however I still have over an hour
of reserve fuel onboard.
For lots of XC stuff, its very easy to install an auto pilot in a CJ (hell
anyone can fly straight & level -let "George" do it.) but it'd play hell to
find the space to put one in a Yak. (I've not heard of it anyway) IOW th
e CJ has airframe to grow into. In a Yak you don't dare let FOD, any FOD,
get toward the tail.
There others on this list who will swear to God the great attributes of th
e Yak, and I will pick a fight with them because in the end it really depen
ds on what you want. I had a very dear friend (and former long time Yak-52
owner) confess to me he wish he had bought a CJ first. So for straight acr
obatic and nothing else go Yak. Better all around airplane? go to the CJ.
BTW a real sleeper left out of this is the Yak 18T. I've seen this airplan
e put on a very impressive low altitude routine and than after the show, th
e pilot load up a bunch of his & his wife's personal stuff and head for hom
e. Not many around, but a neat airplane.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 9/4/2015 12:41:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jblake207@
comcast.net writes:
Bottom line on which aircraft to purchase is your primary mission. If your
mission is to go out for an hour of hard acro, then the YAK is the way to g
o. If you don't plan to wander far from home base, YAK. If you don't need
to carry much more than a shaving kit... YAK. If your mission is primaril
y to do formation flying, cross country to airshows with a GIB who always p
acks too many clothes and then some occasional acro, then the CJ is the way
to go. Truth in lending, I'm a happy CJ owner and have never regretted the
choice... Especially when on a cross country with a YAK that has to land e
very 1.5 hours for fuel. JB
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Colin, yes I'd love to read the article. .. draftsjust417@gmail.com
Thanks much,
Justin Drafts
N280NC
On Sep 3, 2015 11:44 AM, "Colin McGeachy" <colinmcgeachy@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a great magazine article from the UK magazine Flyer, not that I'm bi
ased, comparing the CJ and the Yak. It's from 96 so the costs per hour are
a little out of date!
It's too large to post on the Yak List (7mb) but if anyone wants a copy I'd
be happy to email it.
Colin
C-FTGZ
On 3 September 2015 at 14:53, Dennis Von Ruden <dvonruden@generalequip.com>
wrote:
Scott:
Saw your post on the Yak List pertaining to CJ versus Yak 52. I tried to re
spond directly to you, but my email was rejected.
I was in the same position a few years ago. I even included a Yak 18T on my
shopping list.
I am 6=994=9D and 275 lbs. a lot of pilot to fit into
a small cockpit that was originally designed for a smaller and younger indi
vidual. Comfort really influenced my decision.
I chose a CJ6 and have never questioned my decision. Why? The cockpit is si
mply larger. If you exceed the 85 percentile man profile, you will still ne
ed to add the Malcolm hood-type canopy (ies) for extra head clearance (espe
cially with a helmet or headset) and the rudder pedal extensions for extra
leg room. Both are well worth the investment and have made flying a lot eas
ier and more comfortable.
My only concern with the CJ is the landing gear lever. In the down position
, I need to make sure my left leg does not bump up against it. Which, in tu
rn, reduces the amount of side movement for the control stick. Not that cri
tical unless you have a stiff left crosswind. In those instances, I just a
llow for it.
I have approximately 1000 hours in a 1974 Grumman AA-1B which I bought whil
e I was still in college. The Grumman is a lot of fun to fly, but the CJ is
a lot easier to fly. And, consistently make smooth landings.
Hope this helps. Any other questions, please feel free to call or email.
Thanks
Dennis Von Ruden
Dennis Von Ruden
President
p 800.533.0524 | 507.451.5510
620 Alexander Drive S.W. Owatonna, Minnesota 55060
www.generalequip.com
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That was about 10 years ago, and the plane is now adored by its Austrian ow
ner!
But, I do have a stalled 18 T project with Termikas which would be about $1
40,000 with new 430 HP engine; new MT prop; entire aircraft zero-timed; ver
y lightweight; long-range fuel; full leather interior; inverted fuel and oi
l and a variety of other improvements, only excluding avionics.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hess
Sent: 05 September 2015 11:51
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
Rich,
What would your demonstrator have cost? Just curious.
Richard Hess
President
International Jets, Inc.
Cell 404-964-4885
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
Sent: Sat, Sep 5, 2015 6:30 am
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
It is interesting that someone should bring up the topic of the 18 T. I hav
e been closely involved with these aircraft since, with Russian friends, we
re-established production at the Smolensk factory in the early 90s, and si
nce then have been responsible for selling a large proportion of those that
are now in the West.
What is often not realised is how much an 18 T can be improved from the sto
ck specification. Particular examples are that almost 250 pounds can be re
moved from the airframe by deleting the very heavy "airline-style" electric
al system; instrument and avionics; additional long-range integral wing tan
ks gives a good five hours endurance; a combination of a 400 hp engine and
three blade MT propeller radically improves performance; it is relatively e
asy to make a much quieter cabin with better sound-proofing; for those inte
rested in aerobatics, it is quite simple to convert the airframe to a full
inverted system (of course the engine already is).
I built up one as a demonstrator, and it would cruise, at altitude, a bit o
ver 160 knots (although 140 was a lot more economical); two up and with lig
ht fuel would climb at almost 2000 feet a minute; would still be climbing a
t 18,000 feet; would operate comfortably out of 400 yards and be able to pu
sh up to an outside loop! And, of course, an absolute delight to fly.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com <mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com?> ] On Behalf Of cjp
ilot710@aol.com
Sent: 04 September 2015 19:28
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
Justin,
Every one on this list knows me. And they know I'm prejudice as hell about
the two airplanes. As "JB" notes -its what your mission is that's going t
o be your bottom line (along with the price). However having flown most li
kely over a 100 flights in the back seat of Yaks - either as formation inst
ructor/check pilot, been though acrobatics in both, I prefer the CJ-6 and I
've owned mind over 21 years. Although the CJ is not thought of a acrobatic
airplane, I've seen it do just about any maneuver a Yak can do. It's more
forgiving. YES, it has limits (tail slides for one) but if your new to acr
obatics - its a better airplane to start in. XC? Yep in a Yak you gota lan
d every hour & a half. In my CJ I have to land every 2 hours. You see my
personal bladder is only worth 2 hours - however I still have over an hour
of reserve fuel onboard.
For lots of XC stuff, its very easy to install an auto pilot in a CJ (hell
anyone can fly straight & level -let "George" do it.) but it'd play hell to
find the space to put one in a Yak. (I've not heard of it anyway) IOW th
e CJ has airframe to grow into. In a Yak you don't dare let FOD, any FOD,
get toward the tail.
There others on this list who will swear to God the great attributes of th
e Yak, and I will pick a fight with them because in the end it really depen
ds on what you want. I had a very dear friend (and former long time Yak-52
owner) confess to me he wish he had bought a CJ first. So for straight acr
obatic and nothing else go Yak. Better all around airplane? go to the CJ.
BTW a real sleeper left out of this is the Yak 18T. I've seen this airplan
e put on a very impressive low altitude routine and than after the show, th
e pilot load up a bunch of his & his wife's personal stuff and head for hom
e. Not many around, but a neat airplane.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 9/4/2015 12:41:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jblake207@
comcast.net writes:
Bottom line on which aircraft to purchase is your primary mission. If your
mission is to go out for an hour of hard acro, then the YAK is the way to g
o. If you don't plan to wander far from home base, YAK. If you don't need
to carry much more than a shaving kit... YAK. If your mission is primaril
y to do formation flying, cross country to airshows with a GIB who always p
acks too many clothes and then some occasional acro, then the CJ is the way
to go. Truth in lending, I'm a happy CJ owner and have never regretted the
choice... Especially when on a cross country with a YAK that has to land e
very 1.5 hours for fuel. JB
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Colin, yes I'd love to read the article. .. draftsjust417@gmail.com
Thanks much,
Justin Drafts
N280NC
On Sep 3, 2015 11:44 AM, "Colin McGeachy" <colinmcgeachy@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a great magazine article from the UK magazine Flyer, not that I'm bi
ased, comparing the CJ and the Yak. It's from 96 so the costs per hour are
a little out of date!
It's too large to post on the Yak List (7mb) but if anyone wants a copy I'd
be happy to email it.
Colin
C-FTGZ
On 3 September 2015 at 14:53, Dennis Von Ruden <dvonruden@generalequip.com>
wrote:
Scott:
Saw your post on the Yak List pertaining to CJ versus Yak 52. I tried to re
spond directly to you, but my email was rejected.
I was in the same position a few years ago. I even included a Yak 18T on my
shopping list.
I am 6=994=9D and 275 lbs. a lot of pilot to fit into
a small cockpit that was originally designed for a smaller and younger indi
vidual. Comfort really influenced my decision.
I chose a CJ6 and have never questioned my decision. Why? The cockpit is si
mply larger. If you exceed the 85 percentile man profile, you will still ne
ed to add the Malcolm hood-type canopy (ies) for extra head clearance (espe
cially with a helmet or headset) and the rudder pedal extensions for extra
leg room. Both are well worth the investment and have made flying a lot eas
ier and more comfortable.
My only concern with the CJ is the landing gear lever. In the down position
, I need to make sure my left leg does not bump up against it. Which, in tu
rn, reduces the amount of side movement for the control stick. Not that cri
tical unless you have a stiff left crosswind. In those instances, I just a
llow for it.
I have approximately 1000 hours in a 1974 Grumman AA-1B which I bought whil
e I was still in college. The Grumman is a lot of fun to fly, but the CJ is
a lot easier to fly. And, consistently make smooth landings.
Hope this helps. Any other questions, please feel free to call or email.
Thanks
Dennis Von Ruden
<http://www.generalequip.com/> http://www.generalequip.com/
Dennis Von Ruden
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Appears Bill's emails are having absence moments also.
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> On Sep 5, 2015, at 6:32 AM, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 09/04/15 |
That's what I did choose to fly now. My recent acquisition, the Yak18T.
It has room for 4 and Fully aerobatic,
+6 -3 1/2. 5 hours + range, for cross countries. Big luggage compartment a
nd like the CJ and the 52, built like a tank. It also can fly without the d
oors on ( so Blitz, you can pee out while flying :-)
You'll be seeing it in the near future at the All Red Star gatherings.
I really love Natasha.
"Pipes".
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> 1. 09:41 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Jon Blake)
> 2. 10:10 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Byron Fox)
> 3. 10:20 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Jon Blake)
> 4. 10:31 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (migfighter42)
> 5. 10:58 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Mark Davis)
> 6. 10:59 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Richard Hess)
> 7. 11:12 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Byron Fox)
> 8. 11:30 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 9. 11:36 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 10. 11:48 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 11. 04:10 PM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Jon Blake)
> 12. 04:28 PM - Yak 52 vs CJ-6A (Byron Fox)
> 13. 07:46 PM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Roger Kemp)
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> Time: 09:41:04 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
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> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________
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> Time: 10:10:40 AM PST US
> From: Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
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> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________
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> Time: 10:20:27 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
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> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________
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>
> Time: 10:31:07 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
> From: migfighter42 <migfighter42@gmail.com>
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> Time: 10:58:56 AM PST US
> From: "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
> Same here. Maybe Blitz is just a man of few words.... : )
>
>
> Mark Davis
>
> N44YK
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Blake
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
>
> Blitz, may just be my email, but the last two posts by you are coming
> thru blank... Or in olden terms... Carrier but no voice. JB
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
>
> Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> Time: 10:59:14 AM PST US
> From: Richard Hess <hess737@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
> Same
>
> Richard Hess
> C 404-964-4885
>
>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 12:28 PM, migfighter42 <migfighter42@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Same here,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
>> Date: 9/4/2015 12:17 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>> Blitz, may just be my email, but the last two posts by you are coming thr
u
> blank... Or in olden terms... Carrier but no voice. JB
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>
>>
>> Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
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> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________
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> Time: 11:12:08 AM PST US
> From: Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
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> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________
________
>
>
> Time: 11:30:43 AM PST US
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
> Justin,
>
> Every one on this list knows me. And they know I'm prejudice as hell
> about the two airplanes. As "JB" notes -its what your mission is that's
> going
> to be your bottom line (along with the price). However having flown most
>
> likely over a 100 flights in the back seat of Yaks - either as formation
>
> instructor/check pilot, been though acrobatics in both, I prefer the CJ-6
> and
> I've owned mind over 21 years. Although the CJ is not thought of a
> acrobatic airplane, I've seen it do just about any maneuver a Yak can do.
> It's
> more forgiving. YES, it has limits (tail slides for one) but if your new
> to
> acrobatics - its a better airplane to start in. XC? Yep in a Yak you gota
>
> land every hour & a half. In my CJ I have to land every 2 hours. You se
> e my
> personal bladder is only worth 2 hours - however I still have over an hou
> r
> of reserve fuel onboard.
> For lots of XC stuff, its very easy to install an auto pilot in a CJ (hel
> l
> anyone can fly straight & level -let "George" do it.) but it'd play hell
>
> to find the space to put one in a Yak. (I've not heard of it anyway) IO
> W
> the CJ has airframe to grow into. In a Yak you don't dare let FOD, any
> FOD,
> get toward the tail.
> There others on this list who will swear to God the great attributes of
>
> the Yak, and I will pick a fight with them because in the end it really
>
> depends on what you want. I had a very dear friend (and former long time
>
> Yak-52 owner) confess to me he wish he had bought a CJ first. So for stra
> ight
> acrobatic and nothing else go Yak. Better all around airplane? go to the
> CJ.
>
> BTW a real sleeper left out of this is the Yak 18T. I've seen this
> airplane put on a very impressive low altitude routine and than after the
> show,
> the pilot load up a bunch of his & his wife's personal stuff and head for
>
> home. Not many around, but a neat airplane.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
> In a message dated 9/4/2015 12:41:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jblake207@comcast.net writes:
>
>
> Bottom line on which aircraft to purchase is your primary mission. If you
> r
> mission is to go out for an hour of hard acro, then the YAK is the way to
>
> go. If you don't plan to wander far from home base, YAK. If you don't
>
> need to carry much more than a shaving kit... YAK. If your mission is
> primarily to do formation flying, cross country to airshows with a GIB who
> always
> packs too many clothes and then some occasional acro, then the CJ is the
>
> way to go. Truth in lending, I'm a happy CJ owner and have never regretted
>
> the choice... Especially when on a cross country with a YAK that has to la
> nd
> every 1.5 hours for fuel. JB
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
>
> Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Colin, yes I'd love to read the article. .. _draftsjust417@gmail.com_
>
> (mailto:draftsjust417@gmail.com)
> Thanks much,
> Justin Drafts
> N280NC
> On Sep 3, 2015 11:44 AM, "Colin McGeachy" <_colinmcgeachy@gmail.com_
> (mailto:colinmcgeachy@gmail.com) > wrote:
>
>
> I have a great magazine article from the UK magazine Flyer, not that I'm
>
> biased, comparing the CJ and the Yak. It's from 96 so the costs per hour
>
> are a little out of date!
>
>
> It's too large to post on the Yak List (7mb) but if anyone wants a copy
>
> I'd be happy to email it.
>
>
> Colin
> C-FTGZ
>
>
> On 3 September 2015 at 14:53, Dennis Von Ruden
> <_dvonruden@generalequip.com_ (mailto:dvonruden@generalequip.com) > wrote:
>
>
> Scott:
> Saw your post on the Yak List pertaining to CJ versus Yak 52. I tried to
>
> respond directly to you, but my email was rejected.
> I was in the same position a few years ago. I even included a Yak 18T on
>
> my shopping list.
> I am 6=994=9D and 275 lbs. a lot of pilot to fit into
> a small cockpit that
> was originally designed for a smaller and younger individual. Comfort rea
> lly
> influenced my decision.
> I chose a CJ6 and have never questioned my decision. Why? The cockpit is
>
> simply larger. If you exceed the 85 percentile man profile, you will stil
> l
> need to add the Malcolm hood-type canopy (ies) for extra head clearance
>
> (especially with a helmet or headset) and the rudder pedal extensions for
> extra
> leg room. Both are well worth the investment and have made flying a lot
>
> easier and more comfortable.
> My only concern with the CJ is the landing gear lever. In the down
> position, I need to make sure my left leg does not bump up against it. Wh
> ich, in
> turn, reduces the amount of side movement for the control stick. Not that
>
> critical unless you have a stiff left crosswind. In those instances, I
> just
> allow for it.
> I have approximately 1000 hours in a 1974 Grumman AA-1B which I bought
> while I was still in college. The Grumman is a lot of fun to fly, but the
> CJ
> is a lot easier to fly. And, consistently make smooth landings.
> Hope this helps. Any other questions, please feel free to call or email.
>
> Thanks
> Dennis Von Ruden
> (http://www.generalequip.com/)
> Dennis Von Ruden
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> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 11:36:21 AM PST US
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
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> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 11:48:27 AM PST US
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
> OH dear God! I left out a very important word!!!!
>
> In a message dated 9/4/2015 2:27:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
>
> There others on this list who will swear to God the great attributes of
> the Yak, and I will NOT pick a fight with them because in the end it rea
lly
> depends on what you want.
> Geee I'd be needing check my six for eternity.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 04:10:09 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 04:28:33 PM PST US
> From: Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 vs CJ-6A
>
>
> Jon Blake echoes my thoughts exactly. After 14 years and something north o
f 1,400
> hours in my CJ, I'm still thoroughly delighted with it. But for an hour of
> riotous fun my brother, Steve/"POTUS", loved his 52.
>
> Blitz Fox
> 415-307-2405
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 07:46:04 PM PST US
> From: Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
> Abbreviated to blank=F0=9F=98=8E
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 12:55 PM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Same here. Maybe Blitz is just a man of few words.... : )
>>
>> Mark Davis
>> N44YK
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
a
> tronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Blake
>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:17 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>> Blitz, may just be my email, but the last two posts by you are coming thr
u
> blank... Or in olden terms... Carrier but no voice. JB
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>
>>
>> Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 09/04/15 |
That's what I did choose to fly now. My recent acquisition, the Yak18T.
It has room for 4 and Fully aerobatic,
+6 -3 1/2. 5 hours + range, for cross countries. Big luggage compartment a
nd like the CJ and the 52, built like a tank. It also can fly without the d
oors on ( so Blitz, you can pee out while flying :-)
You'll be seeing it in the near future at the All Red Star gatherings.
I really love Natasha.
"Pipes".
Sent from my iPad
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> 1. 09:41 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Jon Blake)
> 2. 10:10 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Byron Fox)
> 3. 10:20 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Jon Blake)
> 4. 10:31 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (migfighter42)
> 5. 10:58 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Mark Davis)
> 6. 10:59 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Richard Hess)
> 7. 11:12 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Byron Fox)
> 8. 11:30 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 9. 11:36 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 10. 11:48 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 11. 04:10 PM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Jon Blake)
> 12. 04:28 PM - Yak 52 vs CJ-6A (Byron Fox)
> 13. 07:46 PM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Roger Kemp)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 09:41:04 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
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> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________
________
>
>
> Time: 10:10:40 AM PST US
> From: Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________
________
>
>
> Time: 10:20:27 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________
________
>
>
> Time: 10:31:07 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
> From: migfighter42 <migfighter42@gmail.com>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 10:58:56 AM PST US
> From: "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
> Same here. Maybe Blitz is just a man of few words.... : )
>
>
> Mark Davis
>
> N44YK
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Blake
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
>
> Blitz, may just be my email, but the last two posts by you are coming
> thru blank... Or in olden terms... Carrier but no voice. JB
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
>
> Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> ~=EF=BD=DE=83g(=D3=8D=D3=87qzn
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________
________
>
>
> Time: 10:59:14 AM PST US
> From: Richard Hess <hess737@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
> Same
>
> Richard Hess
> C 404-964-4885
>
>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 12:28 PM, migfighter42 <migfighter42@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Same here,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
>> Date: 9/4/2015 12:17 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>> Blitz, may just be my email, but the last two posts by you are coming thr
u
> blank... Or in olden terms... Carrier but no voice. JB
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>
>>
>> Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
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> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 11:12:08 AM PST US
> From: Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
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> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 11:30:43 AM PST US
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
> Justin,
>
> Every one on this list knows me. And they know I'm prejudice as hell
> about the two airplanes. As "JB" notes -its what your mission is that's
> going
> to be your bottom line (along with the price). However having flown most
>
> likely over a 100 flights in the back seat of Yaks - either as formation
>
> instructor/check pilot, been though acrobatics in both, I prefer the CJ-6
> and
> I've owned mind over 21 years. Although the CJ is not thought of a
> acrobatic airplane, I've seen it do just about any maneuver a Yak can do.
> It's
> more forgiving. YES, it has limits (tail slides for one) but if your new
> to
> acrobatics - its a better airplane to start in. XC? Yep in a Yak you gota
>
> land every hour & a half. In my CJ I have to land every 2 hours. You se
> e my
> personal bladder is only worth 2 hours - however I still have over an hou
> r
> of reserve fuel onboard.
> For lots of XC stuff, its very easy to install an auto pilot in a CJ (hel
> l
> anyone can fly straight & level -let "George" do it.) but it'd play hell
>
> to find the space to put one in a Yak. (I've not heard of it anyway) IO
> W
> the CJ has airframe to grow into. In a Yak you don't dare let FOD, any
> FOD,
> get toward the tail.
> There others on this list who will swear to God the great attributes of
>
> the Yak, and I will pick a fight with them because in the end it really
>
> depends on what you want. I had a very dear friend (and former long time
>
> Yak-52 owner) confess to me he wish he had bought a CJ first. So for stra
> ight
> acrobatic and nothing else go Yak. Better all around airplane? go to the
> CJ.
>
> BTW a real sleeper left out of this is the Yak 18T. I've seen this
> airplane put on a very impressive low altitude routine and than after the
> show,
> the pilot load up a bunch of his & his wife's personal stuff and head for
>
> home. Not many around, but a neat airplane.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
> In a message dated 9/4/2015 12:41:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jblake207@comcast.net writes:
>
>
> Bottom line on which aircraft to purchase is your primary mission. If you
> r
> mission is to go out for an hour of hard acro, then the YAK is the way to
>
> go. If you don't plan to wander far from home base, YAK. If you don't
>
> need to carry much more than a shaving kit... YAK. If your mission is
> primarily to do formation flying, cross country to airshows with a GIB who
> always
> packs too many clothes and then some occasional acro, then the CJ is the
>
> way to go. Truth in lending, I'm a happy CJ owner and have never regretted
>
> the choice... Especially when on a cross country with a YAK that has to la
> nd
> every 1.5 hours for fuel. JB
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
>
> Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Colin, yes I'd love to read the article. .. _draftsjust417@gmail.com_
>
> (mailto:draftsjust417@gmail.com)
> Thanks much,
> Justin Drafts
> N280NC
> On Sep 3, 2015 11:44 AM, "Colin McGeachy" <_colinmcgeachy@gmail.com_
> (mailto:colinmcgeachy@gmail.com) > wrote:
>
>
> I have a great magazine article from the UK magazine Flyer, not that I'm
>
> biased, comparing the CJ and the Yak. It's from 96 so the costs per hour
>
> are a little out of date!
>
>
> It's too large to post on the Yak List (7mb) but if anyone wants a copy
>
> I'd be happy to email it.
>
>
> Colin
> C-FTGZ
>
>
> On 3 September 2015 at 14:53, Dennis Von Ruden
> <_dvonruden@generalequip.com_ (mailto:dvonruden@generalequip.com) > wrote:
>
>
> Scott:
> Saw your post on the Yak List pertaining to CJ versus Yak 52. I tried to
>
> respond directly to you, but my email was rejected.
> I was in the same position a few years ago. I even included a Yak 18T on
>
> my shopping list.
> I am 6=994=9D and 275 lbs. a lot of pilot to fit into
> a small cockpit that
> was originally designed for a smaller and younger individual. Comfort rea
> lly
> influenced my decision.
> I chose a CJ6 and have never questioned my decision. Why? The cockpit is
>
> simply larger. If you exceed the 85 percentile man profile, you will stil
> l
> need to add the Malcolm hood-type canopy (ies) for extra head clearance
>
> (especially with a helmet or headset) and the rudder pedal extensions for
> extra
> leg room. Both are well worth the investment and have made flying a lot
>
> easier and more comfortable.
> My only concern with the CJ is the landing gear lever. In the down
> position, I need to make sure my left leg does not bump up against it. Wh
> ich, in
> turn, reduces the amount of side movement for the control stick. Not that
>
> critical unless you have a stiff left crosswind. In those instances, I
> just
> allow for it.
> I have approximately 1000 hours in a 1974 Grumman AA-1B which I bought
> while I was still in college. The Grumman is a lot of fun to fly, but the
> CJ
> is a lot easier to fly. And, consistently make smooth landings.
> Hope this helps. Any other questions, please feel free to call or email.
>
> Thanks
> Dennis Von Ruden
> (http://www.generalequip.com/)
> Dennis Von Ruden
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> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 11:36:21 AM PST US
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
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> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________
________
>
>
> Time: 11:48:27 AM PST US
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
> OH dear God! I left out a very important word!!!!
>
> In a message dated 9/4/2015 2:27:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
>
> There others on this list who will swear to God the great attributes of
> the Yak, and I will NOT pick a fight with them because in the end it rea
lly
> depends on what you want.
> Geee I'd be needing check my six for eternity.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________
________
>
>
> Time: 04:10:09 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 04:28:33 PM PST US
> From: Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 vs CJ-6A
>
>
> Jon Blake echoes my thoughts exactly. After 14 years and something north o
f 1,400
> hours in my CJ, I'm still thoroughly delighted with it. But for an hour of
> riotous fun my brother, Steve/"POTUS", loved his 52.
>
> Blitz Fox
> 415-307-2405
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________
________
>
>
> Time: 07:46:04 PM PST US
> From: Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>
> Abbreviated to blank=F0=9F=98=8E
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 12:55 PM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Same here. Maybe Blitz is just a man of few words.... : )
>>
>> Mark Davis
>> N44YK
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
a
> tronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Blake
>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:17 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>> Blitz, may just be my email, but the last two posts by you are coming thr
u
> blank... Or in olden terms... Carrier but no voice. JB
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>
>>
>> Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> ~=EF=BD=DE=83g(=D3=8D=D3=87qzn
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test
On Sep 5, 2015, at 23:46, Michael Li-Paz <mmlipaz@gmail.com> wrote:
> <image1.PNG>
>
>
> That's what I did choose to fly now. My recent acquisition, the Yak18T.
> It has room for 4 and Fully aerobatic,
> +6 -3 1/2. 5 hours + range, for cross countries. Big luggage compartment and
like the CJ and the 52, built like a tank. It also can fly without the doors
on ( so Blitz, you can pee out while flying :-)
> You'll be seeing it in the near future at the All Red Star gatherings.
> I really love Natasha.
> "Pipes".
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 12:03 AM, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com>
wrote:
>>
>> *
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>> Total Messages Posted Fri 09/04/15: 13
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Today's Message Index:
>> ----------------------
>>
>> 1. 09:41 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Jon Blake)
>> 2. 10:10 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Byron Fox)
>> 3. 10:20 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Jon Blake)
>> 4. 10:31 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (migfighter42)
>> 5. 10:58 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Mark Davis)
>> 6. 10:59 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Richard Hess)
>> 7. 11:12 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Byron Fox)
>> 8. 11:30 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
>> 9. 11:36 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
>> 10. 11:48 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
>> 11. 04:10 PM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Jon Blake)
>> 12. 04:28 PM - Yak 52 vs CJ-6A (Byron Fox)
>> 13. 07:46 PM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Roger Kemp)
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 09:41:04 AM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 10:10:40 AM PST US
>> From: Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 10:20:27 AM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
>>
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>>
>> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 10:31:07 AM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>> From: migfighter42 <migfighter42@gmail.com>
>>
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>>
>> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 10:58:56 AM PST US
>> From: "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>> Same here. Maybe Blitz is just a man of few words.... : )
>>
>>
>> Mark Davis
>>
>> N44YK
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Blake
>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>>
>> Blitz, may just be my email, but the last two posts by you are coming
>> thru blank... Or in olden terms... Carrier but no voice. JB
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>
>>
>> Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ~=EF=BD=DE=83g(=D3=8D=D3=87qzn
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 10:59:14 AM PST US
>> From: Richard Hess <hess737@aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>> Same
>>
>> Richard Hess
>> C 404-964-4885
>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 12:28 PM, migfighter42 <migfighter42@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Same here,
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
>>> Date: 9/4/2015 12:17 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>>
>>> Blitz, may just be my email, but the last two posts by you are coming thru
>> blank... Or in olden terms... Carrier but no voice. JB
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>>
>>>
>>> Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 11:12:08 AM PST US
>> From: Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 11:30:43 AM PST US
>> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>> Justin,
>>
>> Every one on this list knows me. And they know I'm prejudice as hell
>> about the two airplanes. As "JB" notes -its what your mission is that's
>> going
>> to be your bottom line (along with the price). However having flown most
>>
>> likely over a 100 flights in the back seat of Yaks - either as formation
>>
>> instructor/check pilot, been though acrobatics in both, I prefer the CJ-6
>> and
>> I've owned mind over 21 years. Although the CJ is not thought of a
>> acrobatic airplane, I've seen it do just about any maneuver a Yak can do.
>> It's
>> more forgiving. YES, it has limits (tail slides for one) but if your new
>> to
>> acrobatics - its a better airplane to start in. XC? Yep in a Yak you gota
>>
>> land every hour & a half. In my CJ I have to land every 2 hours. You se
>> e my
>> personal bladder is only worth 2 hours - however I still have over an hou
>> r
>> of reserve fuel onboard.
>> For lots of XC stuff, its very easy to install an auto pilot in a CJ (hel
>> l
>> anyone can fly straight & level -let "George" do it.) but it'd play hell
>>
>> to find the space to put one in a Yak. (I've not heard of it anyway) IO
>> W
>> the CJ has airframe to grow into. In a Yak you don't dare let FOD, any
>> FOD,
>> get toward the tail.
>> There others on this list who will swear to God the great attributes of
>>
>> the Yak, and I will pick a fight with them because in the end it really
>>
>> depends on what you want. I had a very dear friend (and former long time
>>
>> Yak-52 owner) confess to me he wish he had bought a CJ first. So for stra
>> ight
>> acrobatic and nothing else go Yak. Better all around airplane? go to the
>> CJ.
>>
>> BTW a real sleeper left out of this is the Yak 18T. I've seen this
>> airplane put on a very impressive low altitude routine and than after the
>> show,
>> the pilot load up a bunch of his & his wife's personal stuff and head for
>>
>> home. Not many around, but a neat airplane.
>>
>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/4/2015 12:41:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> jblake207@comcast.net writes:
>>
>>
>> Bottom line on which aircraft to purchase is your primary mission. If you
>> r
>> mission is to go out for an hour of hard acro, then the YAK is the way to
>>
>> go. If you don't plan to wander far from home base, YAK. If you don't
>>
>> need to carry much more than a shaving kit... YAK. If your mission is
>> primarily to do formation flying, cross country to airshows with a GIB who
>> always
>> packs too many clothes and then some occasional acro, then the CJ is the
>>
>> way to go. Truth in lending, I'm a happy CJ owner and have never regretted
>>
>> the choice... Especially when on a cross country with a YAK that has to la
>> nd
>> every 1.5 hours for fuel. JB
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>
>>
>> Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Colin, yes I'd love to read the article. .. _draftsjust417@gmail.com_
>>
>> (mailto:draftsjust417@gmail.com)
>> Thanks much,
>> Justin Drafts
>> N280NC
>> On Sep 3, 2015 11:44 AM, "Colin McGeachy" <_colinmcgeachy@gmail.com_
>> (mailto:colinmcgeachy@gmail.com) > wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have a great magazine article from the UK magazine Flyer, not that I'm
>>
>> biased, comparing the CJ and the Yak. It's from 96 so the costs per hour
>>
>> are a little out of date!
>>
>>
>> It's too large to post on the Yak List (7mb) but if anyone wants a copy
>>
>> I'd be happy to email it.
>>
>>
>> Colin
>> C-FTGZ
>>
>>
>> On 3 September 2015 at 14:53, Dennis Von Ruden
>> <_dvonruden@generalequip.com_ (mailto:dvonruden@generalequip.com) > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Scott:
>> Saw your post on the Yak List pertaining to CJ versus Yak 52. I tried to
>>
>> respond directly to you, but my email was rejected.
>> I was in the same position a few years ago. I even included a Yak 18T on
>>
>> my shopping list.
>> I am 6=994=9D and 275 lbs. a lot of pilot to fit into
>> a small cockpit that
>> was originally designed for a smaller and younger individual. Comfort rea
>> lly
>> influenced my decision.
>> I chose a CJ6 and have never questioned my decision. Why? The cockpit is
>>
>> simply larger. If you exceed the 85 percentile man profile, you will stil
>> l
>> need to add the Malcolm hood-type canopy (ies) for extra head clearance
>>
>> (especially with a helmet or headset) and the rudder pedal extensions for
>> extra
>> leg room. Both are well worth the investment and have made flying a lot
>>
>> easier and more comfortable.
>> My only concern with the CJ is the landing gear lever. In the down
>> position, I need to make sure my left leg does not bump up against it. Wh
>> ich, in
>> turn, reduces the amount of side movement for the control stick. Not that
>>
>> critical unless you have a stiff left crosswind. In those instances, I
>> just
>> allow for it.
>> I have approximately 1000 hours in a 1974 Grumman AA-1B which I bought
>> while I was still in college. The Grumman is a lot of fun to fly, but the
>> CJ
>> is a lot easier to fly. And, consistently make smooth landings.
>> Hope this helps. Any other questions, please feel free to call or email.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dennis Von Ruden
>> (http://www.generalequip.com/)
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>> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 11:36:21 AM PST US
>> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 11:48:27 AM PST US
>> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>> OH dear God! I left out a very important word!!!!
>>
>> In a message dated 9/4/2015 2:27:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
>>
>> There others on this list who will swear to God the great attributes of
>> the Yak, and I will NOT pick a fight with them because in the end it really
>> depends on what you want.
>> Geee I'd be needing check my six for eternity.
>>
>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 04:10:09 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
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>>
>> Time: 04:28:33 PM PST US
>> From: Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 vs CJ-6A
>>
>>
>> Jon Blake echoes my thoughts exactly. After 14 years and something north of
1,400
>> hours in my CJ, I'm still thoroughly delighted with it. But for an hour of
>> riotous fun my brother, Steve/"POTUS", loved his 52.
>>
>> Blitz Fox
>> 415-307-2405
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 07:46:04 PM PST US
>> From: Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>> Abbreviated to blank=F0=9F=98=8E
>> Doc
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 12:55 PM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Same here. Maybe Blitz is just a man of few words.... : )
>>>
>>> Mark Davis
>>> N44YK
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma
>> tronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Blake
>>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:17 AM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>>
>>> Blitz, may just be my email, but the last two posts by you are coming thru
>> blank... Or in olden terms... Carrier but no voice. JB
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>>
>>>
>>> Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 09/04/15 |
Pipes, I'm embarrassed to confess that I'm ill-equipped to pee out an open door.
You, it would seem, require a call sign change to "Long Dong."
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
> On Sep 5, 2015, at 7:46 AM, Michael Li-Paz <mmlipaz@gmail.com> wrote:
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> That's what I did choose to fly now. My recent acquisition, the Yak18T.
> It has room for 4 and Fully aerobatic,
> +6 -3 1/2. 5 hours + range, for cross countries. Big luggage compartment and
like the CJ and the 52, built like a tank. It also can fly without the doors
on ( so Blitz, you can pee out while flying :-)
> You'll be seeing it in the near future at the All Red Star gatherings.
> I really love Natasha.
> "Pipes".
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 12:03 AM, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com>
wrote:
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>> Total Messages Posted Fri 09/04/15: 13
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>> Today's Message Index:
>> ----------------------
>>
>> 1. 09:41 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Jon Blake)
>> 2. 10:10 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Byron Fox)
>> 3. 10:20 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Jon Blake)
>> 4. 10:31 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (migfighter42)
>> 5. 10:58 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Mark Davis)
>> 6. 10:59 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Richard Hess)
>> 7. 11:12 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Byron Fox)
>> 8. 11:30 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
>> 9. 11:36 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
>> 10. 11:48 AM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
>> 11. 04:10 PM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Jon Blake)
>> 12. 04:28 PM - Yak 52 vs CJ-6A (Byron Fox)
>> 13. 07:46 PM - Re: CJ Versus Yak 52 (Roger Kemp)
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 09:41:04 AM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
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>> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 10:10:40 AM PST US
>> From: Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 10:20:27 AM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
>>
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>>
>> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 10:31:07 AM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>> From: migfighter42 <migfighter42@gmail.com>
>>
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>>
>> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 10:58:56 AM PST US
>> From: "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>> Same here. Maybe Blitz is just a man of few words.... : )
>>
>>
>> Mark Davis
>>
>> N44YK
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Blake
>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>>
>> Blitz, may just be my email, but the last two posts by you are coming
>> thru blank... Or in olden terms... Carrier but no voice. JB
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>
>>
>> Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ~=EF=BD=DE=83g(=D3=8D=D3=87qzn
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 10:59:14 AM PST US
>> From: Richard Hess <hess737@aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>> Same
>>
>> Richard Hess
>> C 404-964-4885
>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 12:28 PM, migfighter42 <migfighter42@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Same here,
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
>>> Date: 9/4/2015 12:17 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>>
>>> Blitz, may just be my email, but the last two posts by you are coming thru
>> blank... Or in olden terms... Carrier but no voice. JB
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>>
>>>
>>> Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 11:12:08 AM PST US
>> From: Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 11:30:43 AM PST US
>> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>> Justin,
>>
>> Every one on this list knows me. And they know I'm prejudice as hell
>> about the two airplanes. As "JB" notes -its what your mission is that's
>> going
>> to be your bottom line (along with the price). However having flown most
>>
>> likely over a 100 flights in the back seat of Yaks - either as formation
>>
>> instructor/check pilot, been though acrobatics in both, I prefer the CJ-6
>> and
>> I've owned mind over 21 years. Although the CJ is not thought of a
>> acrobatic airplane, I've seen it do just about any maneuver a Yak can do.
>> It's
>> more forgiving. YES, it has limits (tail slides for one) but if your new
>> to
>> acrobatics - its a better airplane to start in. XC? Yep in a Yak you gota
>>
>> land every hour & a half. In my CJ I have to land every 2 hours. You se
>> e my
>> personal bladder is only worth 2 hours - however I still have over an hou
>> r
>> of reserve fuel onboard.
>> For lots of XC stuff, its very easy to install an auto pilot in a CJ (hel
>> l
>> anyone can fly straight & level -let "George" do it.) but it'd play hell
>>
>> to find the space to put one in a Yak. (I've not heard of it anyway) IO
>> W
>> the CJ has airframe to grow into. In a Yak you don't dare let FOD, any
>> FOD,
>> get toward the tail.
>> There others on this list who will swear to God the great attributes of
>>
>> the Yak, and I will pick a fight with them because in the end it really
>>
>> depends on what you want. I had a very dear friend (and former long time
>>
>> Yak-52 owner) confess to me he wish he had bought a CJ first. So for stra
>> ight
>> acrobatic and nothing else go Yak. Better all around airplane? go to the
>> CJ.
>>
>> BTW a real sleeper left out of this is the Yak 18T. I've seen this
>> airplane put on a very impressive low altitude routine and than after the
>> show,
>> the pilot load up a bunch of his & his wife's personal stuff and head for
>>
>> home. Not many around, but a neat airplane.
>>
>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/4/2015 12:41:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> jblake207@comcast.net writes:
>>
>>
>> Bottom line on which aircraft to purchase is your primary mission. If you
>> r
>> mission is to go out for an hour of hard acro, then the YAK is the way to
>>
>> go. If you don't plan to wander far from home base, YAK. If you don't
>>
>> need to carry much more than a shaving kit... YAK. If your mission is
>> primarily to do formation flying, cross country to airshows with a GIB who
>> always
>> packs too many clothes and then some occasional acro, then the CJ is the
>>
>> way to go. Truth in lending, I'm a happy CJ owner and have never regretted
>>
>> the choice... Especially when on a cross country with a YAK that has to la
>> nd
>> every 1.5 hours for fuel. JB
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>
>>
>> Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Colin, yes I'd love to read the article. .. _draftsjust417@gmail.com_
>>
>> (mailto:draftsjust417@gmail.com)
>> Thanks much,
>> Justin Drafts
>> N280NC
>> On Sep 3, 2015 11:44 AM, "Colin McGeachy" <_colinmcgeachy@gmail.com_
>> (mailto:colinmcgeachy@gmail.com) > wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have a great magazine article from the UK magazine Flyer, not that I'm
>>
>> biased, comparing the CJ and the Yak. It's from 96 so the costs per hour
>>
>> are a little out of date!
>>
>>
>> It's too large to post on the Yak List (7mb) but if anyone wants a copy
>>
>> I'd be happy to email it.
>>
>>
>> Colin
>> C-FTGZ
>>
>>
>> On 3 September 2015 at 14:53, Dennis Von Ruden
>> <_dvonruden@generalequip.com_ (mailto:dvonruden@generalequip.com) > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Scott:
>> Saw your post on the Yak List pertaining to CJ versus Yak 52. I tried to
>>
>> respond directly to you, but my email was rejected.
>> I was in the same position a few years ago. I even included a Yak 18T on
>>
>> my shopping list.
>> I am 6=994=9D and 275 lbs. a lot of pilot to fit into
>> a small cockpit that
>> was originally designed for a smaller and younger individual. Comfort rea
>> lly
>> influenced my decision.
>> I chose a CJ6 and have never questioned my decision. Why? The cockpit is
>>
>> simply larger. If you exceed the 85 percentile man profile, you will stil
>> l
>> need to add the Malcolm hood-type canopy (ies) for extra head clearance
>>
>> (especially with a helmet or headset) and the rudder pedal extensions for
>> extra
>> leg room. Both are well worth the investment and have made flying a lot
>>
>> easier and more comfortable.
>> My only concern with the CJ is the landing gear lever. In the down
>> position, I need to make sure my left leg does not bump up against it. Wh
>> ich, in
>> turn, reduces the amount of side movement for the control stick. Not that
>>
>> critical unless you have a stiff left crosswind. In those instances, I
>> just
>> allow for it.
>> I have approximately 1000 hours in a 1974 Grumman AA-1B which I bought
>> while I was still in college. The Grumman is a lot of fun to fly, but the
>> CJ
>> is a lot easier to fly. And, consistently make smooth landings.
>> Hope this helps. Any other questions, please feel free to call or email.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dennis Von Ruden
>> (http://www.generalequip.com/)
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>> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 11:36:21 AM PST US
>> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
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>> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 11:48:27 AM PST US
>> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>> OH dear God! I left out a very important word!!!!
>>
>> In a message dated 9/4/2015 2:27:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
>>
>> There others on this list who will swear to God the great attributes of
>> the Yak, and I will NOT pick a fight with them because in the end it really
>> depends on what you want.
>> Geee I'd be needing check my six for eternity.
>>
>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 04:10:09 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>> From: Jon Blake <jblake207@comcast.net>
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 04:28:33 PM PST US
>> From: Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 vs CJ-6A
>>
>>
>> Jon Blake echoes my thoughts exactly. After 14 years and something north of
1,400
>> hours in my CJ, I'm still thoroughly delighted with it. But for an hour of
>> riotous fun my brother, Steve/"POTUS", loved his 52.
>>
>> Blitz Fox
>> 415-307-2405
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 07:46:04 PM PST US
>> From: Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>
>> Abbreviated to blank=F0=9F=98=8E
>> Doc
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 12:55 PM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Same here. Maybe Blitz is just a man of few words.... : )
>>>
>>> Mark Davis
>>> N44YK
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma
>> tronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Blake
>>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:17 AM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Versus Yak 52
>>>
>>> Blitz, may just be my email, but the last two posts by you are coming thru
>> blank... Or in olden terms... Carrier but no voice. JB
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>>
>>>
>>> Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
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"That's what I did choose to fly now. My recent acquisition, the Yak18T.
It has room for 4 and Fully aerobatic,
+6 -3 1/2. 5 hours + range, for cross countries. Big luggage compartment a
nd like the CJ and the 52, built like a tank. It also can fly without the d
oors on ( so Blitz, you can pee out while flying :-)
You'll be seeing it in the near future at the All Red Star gatherings.
I really love Natasha.
"Pipes". "
Pipes, I'm embarrassed to confess that I'm ill-equipped to pee out an open d
oor. You, it seems, would require a call sign change to "Long Dong." =F0=9F=98
=84
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
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I heard him complain about it. Something like " - - long as a refueling
hose."
Pappy
In a message dated 9/5/2015 12:02:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
byronmfox@gmail.com writes:
"That's what I did choose to fly now. My recent acquisition, the Yak18T.
It has room for 4 and Fully aerobatic,
+6 -3 1/2. 5 hours + range, for cross countries. Big luggage compartment
and like the CJ and the 52, built like a tank. It also can fly without
the
doors on ( so Blitz, you can pee out while flying :-)
You'll be seeing it in the near future at the All Red Star gatherings.
I really love Natasha.
"Pipes". "
Pipes, I'm embarrassed to confess that I'm ill-equipped to pee out an ope
n
door. You, it seems, would require a call sign change to "Long Dong." =F0
=9F=98=84
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
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