Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:45 AM - Re: Engine heat (Dr. Herbert Coussons)
2. 04:58 AM - Re: Engine heat (jlpartington@reagan.com)
3. 05:13 AM - Re: Engine heat (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 07:49 AM - Gyro removal (danbooker)
5. 07:54 AM - Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater (danbooker)
6. 08:30 AM - Re: Gyro removal (Bill Geipel)
7. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
8. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater (Jan Mevis)
9. 10:40 AM - Re: Gyro removal (John Casper)
10. 10:52 AM - Re: Gyro removal (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
11. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater (jblake207@comcast.net)
12. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater (Dr. Herbert Coussons)
13. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater (John Casper)
14. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater (cjpilot710@aol.com)
15. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
16. 08:00 PM - Re: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater (cjpilot710@aol.com)
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I am removing my gyros and inverters for weight savings. I have Dynon and can live
without the Russian stuff. Any hints? Can I just undo canon plugs and remove?
Is it worth tracing wires to remove wire bundles or just leave them alone?
Thanks.
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Daniel Booker
"Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
2312457798
danbooker@hotmail.com
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater |
Hey Rico,
I have oil pan heat strips installed. They work great. Only problem is I preheated
engine compartment and still blue an oil line going to wing/oil cooler. I
suggest an additional heater strip on your oil cooler "radiator". Of course, a
heated hanger would be best, but I do not have that option! Good luck.
--------
Daniel Booker
"Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
2312457798
danbooker@hotmail.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447880#447880
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| Subject: | Re: Gyro removal |
Do not chase wires. Not worth it. Many cannon plugs have jumpers in them. Just
unscrew them and tie them up.
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 13, 2015, at 23:45, danbooker <danbooker@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I am removing my gyros and inverters for weight savings. I have Dynon and can
live without the Russian stuff. Any hints? Can I just undo canon plugs and remove?
Is it worth tracing wires to remove wire bundles or just leave them alone?
Thanks.
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> "Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
> 2312457798
> danbooker@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater |
I've mentioned this before, but it is worth repeating I suppose.
The original YAK-50 came with a type of "Veritherm", think of it as working the
same way as the thermostat in your engines cooling system. It screws into the
standard M-14 oil cooler that is found on both the 50, 52, 55 and Sukhoi's
as well. You'll also find a Veritherm in U.S. made oil coolers on many models.
For reasons unknown, Russia put out a directive to remove these devices from the
YAK-50's. However they can still be found in the Russian helicopter oil coolers.
Long story short, they are not easy to find, but they are out there, and
they do work extremely well. Vladimir Yastremski happened to come across one,
and I had him put it back in my otherwise stock oil cooler.
I immediately noticed faster oil warm-up times, and a much more stable oil temperature
reading. This also gives a pressure by-pass to the oil cooler when the
oil is cold. The oil temp also remains much more stable when flying, obviously
because it is now regulated just like your car engines water temperature (more
or less anyway).
There has to be some reason why the Russians pulled this thing out, but it can't
be THAT bad since they left them in every helicopter oil cooler. In any case,
I've run this one over 500 hours without an issue.
The only problem is finding one, but it's worth thinking about.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danbooker
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:50 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater
Hey Rico,
I have oil pan heat strips installed. They work great. Only problem is I preheated
engine compartment and still blue an oil line going to wing/oil cooler. I
suggest an additional heater strip on your oil cooler "radiator". Of course, a
heated hanger would be best, but I do not have that option! Good luck.
--------
Daniel Booker
"Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
2312457798
danbooker@hotmail.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447880#447880
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater |
I fully concur. I have one on my Yak 50 too.
Jan
On 13/10/15 17:38, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"
<owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
><mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>I've mentioned this before, but it is worth repeating I suppose.
>
>The original YAK-50 came with a type of "Veritherm", think of it as
>working the same way as the thermostat in your engines cooling system.
>It screws into the standard M-14 oil cooler that is found on both the 50,
>52, 55 and Sukhoi's as well. You'll also find a Veritherm in U.S. made
>oil coolers on many models.
>
>For reasons unknown, Russia put out a directive to remove these devices
>from the YAK-50's. However they can still be found in the Russian
>helicopter oil coolers. Long story short, they are not easy to find, but
>they are out there, and they do work extremely well. Vladimir Yastremski
>happened to come across one, and I had him put it back in my otherwise
>stock oil cooler.
>
>I immediately noticed faster oil warm-up times, and a much more stable
>oil temperature reading. This also gives a pressure by-pass to the oil
>cooler when the oil is cold. The oil temp also remains much more stable
>when flying, obviously because it is now regulated just like your car
>engines water temperature (more or less anyway).
>
>There has to be some reason why the Russians pulled this thing out, but
>it can't be THAT bad since they left them in every helicopter oil cooler.
> In any case, I've run this one over 500 hours without an issue.
>
>The only problem is finding one, but it's worth thinking about.
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danbooker
>Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:50 AM
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater
>
>
>Hey Rico,
>I have oil pan heat strips installed. They work great. Only problem is I
>preheated engine compartment and still blue an oil line going to wing/oil
>cooler. I suggest an additional heater strip on your oil cooler
>"radiator". Of course, a heated hanger would be best, but I do not have
>that option! Good luck.
>
>--------
>Daniel Booker
>"Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
>2312457798
>danbooker@hotmail.com
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447880#447880
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gyro removal |
Contact Ryan Patterson. He did all that. Thud
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 13, 2015, at 10:45 AM, danbooker <danbooker@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I am removing my gyros and inverters for weight savings. I have Dynon and can
live without the Russian stuff. Any hints? Can I just undo canon plugs and remove?
Is it worth tracing wires to remove wire bundles or just leave them alone?
Thanks.
>
> --------
> Daniel Booker
> "Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
> 2312457798
> danbooker@hotmail.com
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> Read this topic online here:
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Concur on just removing the hardware and tying back the cannon plugs. Why?
As time progresses it can be quite handy to have wiring and a breaker already
in place to power a 28 VDC item. The inverters drew a fair amount of current,
so you have future growth capability in place. In the meantime, just leave the
inverter switches/breakers off.
My former Inverter wiring now powers my transponder and Mode C encoder.
Just a thought.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Casper
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Gyro removal
Contact Ryan Patterson. He did all that. Thud
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 13, 2015, at 10:45 AM, danbooker <danbooker@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I am removing my gyros and inverters for weight savings. I have Dynon and can
live without the Russian stuff. Any hints? Can I just undo canon plugs and remove?
Is it worth tracing wires to remove wire bundles or just leave them alone?
Thanks.
>
> --------
> Daniel Booker
> "Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
> 2312457798
> danbooker@hotmail.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater |
I flew various helicopters for years... the OH-58 series (almost the same a
s a Jet Ranger) has the Vernatherm valve for that very purpose... to aid in
cooling and warming the oil in cold weather ops.=C2-=C2-The valve is a
lso found on most H.O. engines such as Lycoming and Continental.=C2- Anyw
ay, here's a good article on the subject.=C2- http://www.avweb.com/news/m
aint/182617-1.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark G CIV NAVAIR Bitterlich, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:38:16 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater
itterlich@navy.mil>
I've mentioned this before, but it is worth repeating I suppose. =C2-
The original YAK-50 came with a type of "Veritherm", think of it as working
the same way as the thermostat in your engines cooling system. =C2- It s
crews into the standard M-14 oil cooler that is found on both the 50, 52, 5
5 and Sukhoi's as well. =C2- You'll also find a Veritherm in U.S. made oi
l coolers on many models. =C2-
For reasons unknown, Russia put out a directive to remove these devices fro
m the YAK-50's. =C2-However they can still be found in the Russian helico
pter oil coolers. =C2-Long story short, they are not easy to find, but th
ey are out there, and they do work extremely well. =C2-Vladimir Yastremsk
i happened to come across one, and I had him put it back in my otherwise st
ock oil cooler. =C2-
I immediately noticed faster oil warm-up times, and a much more stable oil
temperature reading. =C2-This also gives a pressure by-pass to the oil co
oler when the oil is cold. =C2-The oil temp also remains much more stable
when flying, obviously because it is now regulated just like your car engi
nes water temperature (more or less anyway). =C2-
There has to be some reason why the Russians pulled this thing out, but it
can't be THAT bad since they left them in every helicopter oil cooler. =C2
- In any case, I've run this one over 500 hours without an issue. =C2-
The only problem is finding one, but it's worth thinking about.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of danbooker
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:50 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater
Hey Rico,
I have oil pan heat strips installed. They work great. Only problem is I pr
eheated engine compartment and still blue an oil line going to wing/oil coo
ler. I suggest an additional heater strip on your oil cooler "radiator". Of
course, a heated hanger would be best, but I do not have that option! =C2
-Good luck.
--------
Daniel Booker
"Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
2312457798
danbooker@hotmail.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447880#447880
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Humph Humph. (nose in air) I have four (4) vernatherm on the airplane I
fly. ONE for each engine for the B-24. So there.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ;-)
In a message dated 10/13/2015 1:55:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jblake207@comcast.net writes:
I flew various helicopters for years... the OH-58 series (almost the same
as a Jet Ranger) has the Vernatherm valve for that very purpose... to aid in
cooling and warming the oil in cold weather ops. The valve is also found
on most H.O. engines such as Lycoming and Continental. Anyway, here's a
good article on the subject. http://www.avweb.com/news/maint/182617-1.html
____________________________________
From: "Mark G CIV NAVAIR Bitterlich, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:38:16 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
I've mentioned this before, but it is worth repeating I suppose.
The original YAK-50 came with a type of "Veritherm", think of it as
working the same way as the thermostat in your engines cooling system. It screws
into the standard M-14 oil cooler that is found on both the 50, 52, 55 and
Sukhoi's as well. You'll also find a Veritherm in U.S. made oil coolers
on many models.
For reasons unknown, Russia put out a directive to remove these devices
from the YAK-50's. However they can still be found in the Russian helicopter
oil coolers. Long story short, they are not easy to find, but they are
out there, and they do work extremely well. Vladimir Yastremski happened to
come across one, and I had him put it back in my otherwise stock oil
cooler.
I immediately noticed faster oil warm-up times, and a much more stable oil
temperature reading. This also gives a pressure by-pass to the oil cooler
when the oil is cold. The oil temp also remains much more stable when
flying, obviously because it is now regulated just like your car engines water
temperature (more or less anyway).
There has to be some reason why the Russians pulled this thing out, but it
can't be THAT bad since they left them in every helicopter oil cooler.
In any case, I've run this one over 500 hours without an issue.
The only problem is finding one, but it's worth thinking about.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danbooker
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:50 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater
Hey Rico,
I have oil pan heat strips installed. They work great. Only problem is I
preheated engine compartment and still blue an oil line going to wing/oil
cooler. I suggest an additional heater strip on your oil cooler "radiator".
Of course, a heated hanger would be best, but I do not have that option!
Good luck.
--------
Daniel Booker
"Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
2312457798
danbooker@hotmail.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447880#447880
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Yeah, but do you have one on your CJ? :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater
Humph Humph. (nose in air) I have four (4) vernatherm on the airplane I fly.
ONE for each engine for the B-24. So there.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ;-)
In a message dated 10/13/2015 1:55:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jblake207@comcast.net
writes:
I flew various helicopters for years... the OH-58 series (almost the same as a Jet Ranger) has the Vernatherm valve for that very purpose... to aid in cooling and warming the oil in cold weather ops. The valve is also found on most H.O. engines such as Lycoming and Continental. Anyway, here's a good article on the subject. http://www.avweb.com/news/maint/182617-1.html
________________________________
From: "Mark G CIV NAVAIR Bitterlich, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:38:16 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater
I've mentioned this before, but it is worth repeating I suppose.
The original YAK-50 came with a type of "Veritherm", think of it as working
the same way as the thermostat in your engines cooling system. It screws
into the standard M-14 oil cooler that is found on both the 50, 52, 55 and Sukhoi's
as well. You'll also find a Veritherm in U.S. made oil coolers on many
models.
For reasons unknown, Russia put out a directive to remove these devices
from the YAK-50's. However they can still be found in the Russian helicopter
oil coolers. Long story short, they are not easy to find, but they are out there,
and they do work extremely well. Vladimir Yastremski happened to come across
one, and I had him put it back in my otherwise stock oil cooler.
I immediately noticed faster oil warm-up times, and a much more stable
oil temperature reading. This also gives a pressure by-pass to the oil cooler
when the oil is cold. The oil temp also remains much more stable when flying,
obviously because it is now regulated just like your car engines water temperature
(more or less anyway).
There has to be some reason why the Russians pulled this thing out, but
it can't be THAT bad since they left them in every helicopter oil cooler. In
any case, I've run this one over 500 hours without an issue.
The only problem is finding one, but it's worth thinking about.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danbooker
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:50 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater
Hey Rico,
I have oil pan heat strips installed. They work great. Only problem is
I preheated engine compartment and still blue an oil line going to wing/oil cooler.
I suggest an additional heater strip on your oil cooler "radiator". Of course,
a heated hanger would be best, but I do not have that option! Good luck.
--------
Daniel Booker
"Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
2312457798
danbooker@hotmail.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447880#447880
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Yes I do. Its a GWTFG (Goolsby Watch The Fr*&^%g Gage).
In a message dated 10/13/2015 3:13:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Yeah, but do you have one on your CJ? :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater
Humph Humph. (nose in air) I have four (4) vernatherm on the airplane I
fly. ONE for each engine for the B-24. So there.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ;-)
In a message dated 10/13/2015 1:55:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jblake207@comcast.net writes:
I flew various helicopters for years... the OH-58 series (almost the same
as a Jet Ranger) has the Vernatherm valve for that very purpose... to aid
in cooling and warming the oil in cold weather ops. The valve is also found
on most H.O. engines such as Lycoming and Continental. Anyway, here's a
good article on the subject. http://www.avweb.com/news/maint/182617-1.html
________________________________
From: "Mark G CIV NAVAIR Bitterlich, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:38:16 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
I've mentioned this before, but it is worth repeating I suppose.
The original YAK-50 came with a type of "Veritherm", think of it as
working the same way as the thermostat in your engines cooling system. It
screws into the standard M-14 oil cooler that is found on both the 50, 52, 55
and Sukhoi's as well. You'll also find a Veritherm in U.S. made oil coolers
on many models.
For reasons unknown, Russia put out a directive to remove these devices
from the YAK-50's. However they can still be found in the Russian helicopter
oil coolers. Long story short, they are not easy to find, but they are
out there, and they do work extremely well. Vladimir Yastremski happened to
come across one, and I had him put it back in my otherwise stock oil cooler.
I immediately noticed faster oil warm-up times, and a much more stable oil
temperature reading. This also gives a pressure by-pass to the oil
cooler when the oil is cold. The oil temp also remains much more stable when
flying, obviously because it is now regulated just like your car engines
water temperature (more or less anyway).
There has to be some reason why the Russians pulled this thing out, but it
can't be THAT bad since they left them in every helicopter oil cooler.
In any case, I've run this one over 500 hours without an issue.
The only problem is finding one, but it's worth thinking about.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danbooker
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:50 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater
Hey Rico,
I have oil pan heat strips installed. They work great. Only problem is I
preheated engine compartment and still blue an oil line going to wing/oil
cooler. I suggest an additional heater strip on your oil cooler "radiator".
Of course, a heated hanger would be best, but I do not have that option!
Good luck.
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Daniel Booker
"Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
2312457798
danbooker@hotmail.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447880#447880
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