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| Subject: | Re: Yak Tailwheel and tires FS |
Sold!
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
I need to fly in a CJ6 and T34 to make the decision!
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| Subject: | Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
T-34 = No Aerobatics Big price No upside down Faster
Target not so many
Just a Bonanza
CJ6 = Aerobatics 1/2 price Upside down
Not so much Fighter Lots of fun folks and fly-ins
Not just an airplane
Yak = Best aerobatics 1/4 price Better upside down Not
so much Best fighter Ditto
Not just a CJ6
What are you trying to decide?
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| Subject: | Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang |
CJ-6
Having 900 hours in a T-34B, and 1000 or so in a YAK-50 (but none in a CJ-6 I am
sad to report), I will say this.
The T-34 has much more room, has a fairly high Vne, and uses all American parts
(thus they are available), but they are not cheap, the FAA is keeping a close
eye on them after a wing off light came on during that incident where some idiots
were teaching dog-fighting skills to wanna-be's in airframes with many many
thousands of hours on them yanking well over the max G limit of +6/-4 (at the
time). That required one of several different kinds of spar mods and inspections.
They are EASY to fly, have 3 axis trim and with 50 gallons have a decent range.
The controls are balanced well, and include anti-servo's on the control surfaces.
Many have engines upgraded to 520 or 550's with 3 bladed props. Needed,
because with the stock 470, they were pretty much a dog at 2950 pounds gross.
They will do aerobatics, but they do not maintain energy (when stock), and
you have to constantly be aware of your degrading energy state. Many rudders
have been sorta bent by folks doing snaps at too high an entry speed, and a lot
of them have magnesium control surfaces, which need to be hawked carefully for
corrosion. Some of have been re-skinned to aluminum. By the way, inverted
flight in a T-34 is limited to something like 15 seconds. They use a dry sump
engine and a 3 gallon oil tank. The oil is not returned to the tank when inverted
and if you are not careful and roll upright after too long inverted without
reducing to idle, you can actually do amazing things to the prop... like
have it come off.
The landing gear is tough, hard to hurt, and will take huge amounts of punishment.
I saw one landed in a plowed field with no damage. They are extremely stable
for formation flying and have excellent vis. Basically the T-34 will always
be my most favorite airplane to own, overall....but that comes at a pretty
darn steep price.
I'd say the aerobatic capability of the CJ is in the same ball-park as the T-34.
Cockpits are MUCH smaller, but can be modified. Both are trainers and had
the same goals in mind, so their design features are on a par with each other.
The CJ-6 is by FAR the more beautiful aircraft, and MUCH cheaper to own, and
... hey, it's got a radial! Like the T-34, the CJ is also somewhat underpowered,
but is a stable formation platform.
But to continue ... there are the YAK's and also the SU-29 if you have money.
The SU-29 beats them all in my opinion. Again, small cockpits, but has range
and will rip your lips off. It is the Ferrari of two seaters until you get to
heavy iron and it does better aerobatics than anything else discussed.
The YAK-52 has slightly bigger cockpits than the CJ, but less fuel. Slower than
the CJ-6, but with comparable pilots will eat the CJ-6 alive in a dog fight,
simply because it has more energy and is designed for it. It is a tractor of
a Russian airplane. Has some spin characteristics that need to be experienced
with an instructor, but not anything dangerous once you learn what's up. It
was built to be an advanced trainer, meaning advanced aerobatics. It will even
do tumbles.
So if you ever think of getting serious about aerobatics, or dog-fighting, etc.,
etc., the YAK-52 is really the best choice. It can go cross country, but with
more fuel stops and as I said is slower than the CJ. If you're a tall guy
that likes a roomy cockpit and does not want an Experimental Category aircraft,
the T-34 is the best choice. The CJ is middle ground in all catagories. It
does everything, but is simply not the BEST at everything, but again, I think
it is one of the best looking aircraft out there, and if I could fit into the
darn thing, would probably own one, but with an M-14 installed!
Single seaters like the 50, 55, 26, 31, etc., are a whole different category so
need not be mentioned.
Mark
p.s. I will always LOVE the electric landing gear with manual emergency crank
in the T-34 better than the pneumatic mess in the CJ's and Yaks. Simple and reliable
and nothing LEAKS! :-)
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
on behalf of skyjockey [mixxalot@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 11:35 AM
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang
CJ-6
I need to fly in a CJ6 and T34 to make the decision!
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warbird and lover of all things that go fast and upside down!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451416#451416
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| Subject: | Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang |
CJ-6
Mark,
I've owned the Yak-52 and the CJ6, the 52 does NOT have a bigger cockpit
than the CJ6. Maybe you meant to say the 50. BTW, with the rudder
peddle mods and the malcom hood, you would fit in the CJ6. The CJ6 is
a completely different airplane when the M14p is added and i have
roughly 300 hours in the Yak-52 (2 years ownership), and 600-900 hours
in the Stock CJ6 and M14P(f) CJ6 respectively. The CJ6 is a much better
formation plane then the 52, the 52 is a much better acro plane. In my
not so humble opinion.
Bear
On 12/26/2015 3:05 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote:
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> Having 900 hours in a T-34B, and 1000 or so in a YAK-50 (but none in a CJ-6 I
am sad to report), I will say this.
>
>
> The T-34 has much more room, has a fairly high Vne, and uses all American parts
(thus they are available), but they are not cheap, the FAA is keeping a close
eye on them after a wing off light came on during that incident where some
idiots were teaching dog-fighting skills to wanna-be's in airframes with many
many thousands of hours on them yanking well over the max G limit of +6/-4 (at
the time). That required one of several different kinds of spar mods and inspections.
>
>
> They are EASY to fly, have 3 axis trim and with 50 gallons have a decent range.
The controls are balanced well, and include anti-servo's on the control surfaces.
Many have engines upgraded to 520 or 550's with 3 bladed props. Needed,
because with the stock 470, they were pretty much a dog at 2950 pounds gross.
They will do aerobatics, but they do not maintain energy (when stock), and
you have to constantly be aware of your degrading energy state. Many rudders
have been sorta bent by folks doing snaps at too high an entry speed, and a
lot of them have magnesium control surfaces, which need to be hawked carefully
for corrosion. Some of have been re-skinned to aluminum. By the way, inverted
flight in a T-34 is limited to something like 15 seconds. They use a dry sump
engine and a 3 gallon oil tank. The oil is not returned to the tank when
inverted and if you are not careful and roll upright after too long inverted without
reducing to idle, you can actually do amazing t!
> hings to the prop... like have it come off.
>
>
> The landing gear is tough, hard to hurt, and will take huge amounts of punishment.
I saw one landed in a plowed field with no damage. They are extremely
stable for formation flying and have excellent vis. Basically the T-34 will always
be my most favorite airplane to own, overall....but that comes at a pretty
darn steep price.
>
>
> I'd say the aerobatic capability of the CJ is in the same ball-park as the T-34.
Cockpits are MUCH smaller, but can be modified. Both are trainers and had
the same goals in mind, so their design features are on a par with each other.
The CJ-6 is by FAR the more beautiful aircraft, and MUCH cheaper to own, and
... hey, it's got a radial! Like the T-34, the CJ is also somewhat underpowered,
but is a stable formation platform.
>
>
> But to continue ... there are the YAK's and also the SU-29 if you have money.
The SU-29 beats them all in my opinion. Again, small cockpits, but has range
and will rip your lips off. It is the Ferrari of two seaters until you get
to heavy iron and it does better aerobatics than anything else discussed.
>
>
> The YAK-52 has slightly bigger cockpits than the CJ, but less fuel. Slower than
the CJ-6, but with comparable pilots will eat the CJ-6 alive in a dog fight,
simply because it has more energy and is designed for it. It is a tractor
of a Russian airplane. Has some spin characteristics that need to be experienced
with an instructor, but not anything dangerous once you learn what's up.
It was built to be an advanced trainer, meaning advanced aerobatics. It will
even do tumbles.
>
>
> So if you ever think of getting serious about aerobatics, or dog-fighting, etc.,
etc., the YAK-52 is really the best choice. It can go cross country, but
with more fuel stops and as I said is slower than the CJ. If you're a tall guy
that likes a roomy cockpit and does not want an Experimental Category aircraft,
the T-34 is the best choice. The CJ is middle ground in all catagories.
It does everything, but is simply not the BEST at everything, but again, I think
it is one of the best looking aircraft out there, and if I could fit into the
darn thing, would probably own one, but with an M-14 installed!
>
>
> Single seaters like the 50, 55, 26, 31, etc., are a whole different category
so need not be mentioned.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> p.s. I will always LOVE the electric landing gear with manual emergency crank
in the T-34 better than the pneumatic mess in the CJ's and Yaks. Simple and
reliable and nothing LEAKS! :-)
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
on behalf of skyjockey [mixxalot@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 11:35 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang
CJ-6
>
>
> I need to fly in a CJ6 and T34 to make the decision!
>
> --------
> warbird and lover of all things that go fast and upside down!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451416#451416
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
What am I trying to decide?
Which plane I like best as price is similar for a nice CJ6 versus a nice T34.
Right now I don't need advanced acro plane and for that an Extra or Pitts works
better. I love the Yak but its range and cargo space is not that good for more
than an hour flight. Perhaps someone who has owned both a CJ6 and a T34 might
have some insights. Cost is similar. I see nice CJ6 for 120-150K and nice T34
in same price range. Fuel burn is similar and MX except for wing spar AD then
would image similar as well.
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| Subject: | Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
All good aircraft, no bad choices. My criteria would be to get the type of aircraft
that is active in your area. Having a group to fly with will increase your
enjoyment immensely.
Doug Z
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> On Dec 26, 2015, at 4:11 PM, skyjockey <mixxalot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> What am I trying to decide?
>
> Which plane I like best as price is similar for a nice CJ6 versus a nice T34.
>
> Right now I don't need advanced acro plane and for that an Extra or Pitts works
better. I love the Yak but its range and cargo space is not that good for more
than an hour flight. Perhaps someone who has owned both a CJ6 and a T34 might
have some insights. Cost is similar. I see nice CJ6 for 120-150K and nice
T34 in same price range. Fuel burn is similar and MX except for wing spar AD then
would image similar as well.
>
> --------
> warbird and lover of all things that go fast and upside down!
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451420#451420
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| Subject: | Re: Housai SS exhaust system for sale |
Still got your exhaust for sale?
Steve near Chicago
Off list: 727gs@att.net
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| Subject: | Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
pilotdog57(at)aol.com wrote:
> All good aircraft, no bad choices. My criteria would be to get the type of aircraft
that is active in your area. Having a group to fly with will increase your
enjoyment immensely.
>
> Doug Z
This times 1000. Find out what the guys in your area fly and for which you can
get local maintenance support and parts.
Also, keep in mind that the CJ and Yak are experimental which significantly opens
up your options for mods (e.g., ADS-B, etc.), parts, etc.
'Gimp
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Owner/Pilot N6209F 1987 Yak-52
COMM/ASEL/IFR/HP-Complex/TW
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| Subject: | Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
True well I live in San Diego but next year or two plan to buy land and private
airstrip in a cheaper state like Arizona, Nevada, Oregon or maybe Florida. Not
sure what community exists here and in the southwest?
Julie Clark flies a T34 and she is one of the most famous airshow aerobatic pilots.
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warbird and lover of all things that go fast and upside down!
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