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1. 08:57 AM - New Formation Guidance for Airshows (barryhancock)
2. 09:25 AM - Re: New Formation Guidance for Airshows (jblake207@comcast.net)
3. 09:45 AM - Re: New Formation Guidance for Airshows (barryhancock)
4. 09:56 AM - Re: New Formation Guidance for Airshows (Robert Schwartz)
5. 11:14 AM - Re: New Formation Guidance for Airshows (Martin, Schulze)
6. 03:23 PM - Re: New Formation Guidance for Airshows (Mark Davis)
7. 06:35 PM - The things you find on the Internet (Terry Calloway)
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| Subject: | New Formation Guidance for Airshows |
All,
If you are a formation pilot planning to fly in waivered airspace this year. Or
a formation pilot who is not planning on it but may somehow find themselves
in waivered airspace this year....
As announced at the 2015 ICAS Convention in December, the industry, meaning FAA,
ICAS, FAST, FFI are moving ahead for 2016 with changes to non-aerobatic performances
at airshows. They are defining these as standard maneuvering and dynamics
maneuvering and they relate to both solo and formation performances. The
guidance is still in draft form but according to the ICAS staff as recently as
last week, these requirements will go into effect sometime during the 2016 show
season.
Anyone wishing a copy of the draft guidance please drop me a note and I will forward
it to you.
Fly Safe!
Barry
PS Since we're on the topic of airshows, I'd love it if you'd take a look at my
airshow Facebook page and follow me. Thanks!
https://www.facebook.com/pilotmakerairshows
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Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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| Subject: | Re: New Formation Guidance for Airshows |
Thanks Barry.=C2- Any idea of what the new rules may look like?=C2- Eve
n draft would be good to know.=C2- JB
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From: "barryhancock" <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:54:09 AM
Subject: Yak-List: New Formation Guidance for Airshows
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All,
If you are a formation pilot planning to fly in waivered airspace this year
. =C2-Or a formation pilot who is not planning on it but may somehow find
themselves in waivered airspace this year....
As announced at the 2015 ICAS Convention in December, the industry, meaning
FAA, ICAS, FAST, FFI are moving ahead for 2016 with changes to non-aerobat
ic performances at airshows. They are defining these as standard maneuverin
g and dynamics maneuvering and they relate to both solo and formation perfo
rmances. The guidance is still in draft form but according to the ICAS staf
f as recently as last week, these requirements will go into effect sometime
during the 2016 show season.
Anyone wishing a copy of the draft guidance please drop me a note and I wil
l forward it to you.
Fly Safe!
Barry
PS =C2-Since we're on the topic of airshows, I'd love it if you'd take a
look at my airshow Facebook page and follow me. =C2-Thanks!
https://www.facebook.com/pilotmakerairshows
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Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: New Formation Guidance for Airshows |
I mailed you a copy, JB.
Here is an excerpt, but the guidance is much more thorough...it's the FAA. ;)
> E. Non-Aerobatic Formation Flight. Each civil PIC who wishes to conduct non-aerobatic
formation maneuvers in the air show demonstration area must meet the
following:
>
> 1) Formation - Standard Maneuvering. Pilots performing maneuvers where the angle
of pitch does not exceed 45 degrees, the angle of bank does not exceed 60
degrees, and the participating aircraft do not perform any maneuvers that qualify
as dynamic maneuvering must:
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> Be in possession of an FAA recognized current and valid industry formation flying
card;
>
> Attend a briefing given by the flight leader of the proposed flight;
>
> The briefing in subparagraph 1b) above must meet the requirements of the industry
formation group that issued the formation flying card of the formation flight
leader; and
>
> The responsible person must provide the IIC a list of the pilots flying in the
formation.
>
>
> 2) Formation Dynamic Maneuvering. Maneuvers where the angle of pitch is greater
than 45 degrees for any aircraft in the formation or the angle of bank is
greater than 60 degrees but does not exceed 75 degrees for any aircraft in the
formation, or the participating aircraft perform any maneuvers that qualify
as Dynamic Maneuvering, must:
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> Possess a current and valid SAC card with a formation dynamic maneuvering endorsement
or a SAC card with a formation aerobatics endorsement;
>
> Attend a briefing given by the flight leader of the proposed flight;
>
> c) The responsible person must provide the IIC a list of the pilots flying
in the formation.
>
> NOTE: Formation training will not be conducted during the airshow.
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Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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| Subject: | Re: New Formation Guidance for Airshows |
I would like to see a copy please
Bob schwartz
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On January 11, 2016 11:40:44 AM jblake207@comcast.net wrote:
> Thanks Barry. Any idea of what the new rules may look like? Even draft
> would be good to know. JB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "barryhancock" <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:54:09 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: New Formation Guidance for Airshows
>
>
> All,
>
> If you are a formation pilot planning to fly in waivered airspace this
> year. Or a formation pilot who is not planning on it but may somehow find
> themselves in waivered airspace this year....
>
> As announced at the 2015 ICAS Convention in December, the industry, meaning
> FAA, ICAS, FAST, FFI are moving ahead for 2016 with changes to
> non-aerobatic performances at airshows. They are defining these as standard
> maneuvering and dynamics maneuvering and they relate to both solo and
> formation performances. The guidance is still in draft form but according
> to the ICAS staff as recently as last week, these requirements will go into
> effect sometime during the 2016 show season.
>
> Anyone wishing a copy of the draft guidance please drop me a note and I
> will forward it to you.
>
> Fly Safe!
>
> Barry
>
> PS Since we're on the topic of airshows, I'd love it if you'd take a look
> at my airshow Facebook page and follow me. Thanks!
>
> https://www.facebook.com/pilotmakerairshows
>
> --------
> Barry Hancock
> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
> www.worldwidewarbirds.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451875#451875
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| Subject: | Re: New Formation Guidance for Airshows |
Hi Barry
Please send me some information on this , thank you for sharing the informa
tion
Martin
> On 11 Jan 2016, at 6:59 PM, barryhancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
wrote:
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s.com>
>
> All,
>
> If you are a formation pilot planning to fly in waivered airspace this ye
ar. Or a formation pilot who is not planning on it but may somehow find th
emselves in waivered airspace this year....
>
> As announced at the 2015 ICAS Convention in December, the industry, meani
ng FAA, ICAS, FAST, FFI are moving ahead for 2016 with changes to non-aerob
atic performances at airshows. They are defining these as standard maneuver
ing and dynamics maneuvering and they relate to both solo and formation per
formances. The guidance is still in draft form but according to the ICAS st
aff as recently as last week, these requirements will go into effect someti
me during the 2016 show season.
>
> Anyone wishing a copy of the draft guidance please drop me a note and I w
ill forward it to you.
>
> Fly Safe!
>
> Barry
>
> PS Since we're on the topic of airshows, I'd love it if you'd take a loo
k at my airshow Facebook page and follow me. Thanks!
>
> https://www.facebook.com/pilotmakerairshows
>
> --------
> Barry Hancock
> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
> www.worldwidewarbirds.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451875#451875
>
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| Subject: | New Formation Guidance for Airshows |
Barry,
Did you hear the reasoning why the changes? The story I was told was
that two FFI aircraft swapped paint during an airshow. Apparently the air
boss was aware of the situation. Both aircraft were controllable and one of
the aircraft returned to its home base and the other held outside of the
waivered airspace and recovered eventually after their time slot. Now we
ALL get to jump through new hoops. Seems like the trendy thing to do.
Instead of violating the aircrew involved if there were any FAR's broken
(not sure if the Air Boss briefed midairs and emergencies like every air
show I've ever flown in and if his rules are something that can be
"violated"), we now have new rules for everyone else who played by the old
rules. I tend to be pretty critical of anyone who thinks their actions
don't trickle down to all of the rest of us whether it be with the FAA or
our insurance companies. This certainly one of those times that it just
isn't enough that no one was hurt. As an old LSO, I've never lost the
tendency to call 'em as I see 'em.
Fly Navy,
Mark Davis
N44YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of barryhancock
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:54 AM
Subject: Yak-List: New Formation Guidance for Airshows
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All,
If you are a formation pilot planning to fly in waivered airspace this year.
Or a formation pilot who is not planning on it but may somehow find
themselves in waivered airspace this year....
As announced at the 2015 ICAS Convention in December, the industry, meaning
FAA, ICAS, FAST, FFI are moving ahead for 2016 with changes to non-aerobatic
performances at airshows. They are defining these as standard maneuvering
and dynamics maneuvering and they relate to both solo and formation
performances. The guidance is still in draft form but according to the ICAS
staff as recently as last week, these requirements will go into effect
sometime during the 2016 show season.
Anyone wishing a copy of the draft guidance please drop me a note and I will
forward it to you.
Fly Safe!
Barry
PS Since we're on the topic of airshows, I'd love it if you'd take a look
at my airshow Facebook page and follow me. Thanks!
https://www.facebook.com/pilotmakerairshows
--------
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451875#451875
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