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1. 04:42 AM - Re: Re: Air charging valve? (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 08:18 AM - Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Re: Air charging valve? (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
3. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: Air charging valve? (John B)
4. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: Air charging valve? (Ernest Martinez)
5. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Air charging valve? (Todd Bohlman)
6. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Air charging valve? (John Warwick)
7. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: Air charging valve? (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 06:29 PM - Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 (Looigi)
9. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 (cjpilot710)
10. 09:31 PM - Re: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 (Richard Hess)
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| Subject: | Re: Air charging valve? |
The working pressure is limited only by the valve core.=C2- Certainly not
the brass fitting.=C2- So there is no bravery involved.=C2- Since the
valve core is removed, there is no limitations associated with the brass fi
tting.
Inside the cover plate is a thick rubber grommet.=C2- The cover plate pre
sses up again the rubber grommet.=C2- The rubber grommet remains on the a
ircraft when the cover plate is removed and is/was used for the Russian air
fill adapter.=C2- We just make use of what is already on the aircraft.
Dennis
From: Looigi <cdoburton@gmail.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 9:10 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air charging valve?
Now that is a cool idea! How does the air get into the aircraft system from
the valve stem on the cover plate?=C2- My Yak 52 is still getting overha
uled in Russia, so I don't have an aircraft handy to look at.
I think you are quite brave using a brass fitting for this application; the
maximum working pressure listed for this fitting is 200psi!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452331#452331
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| Subject: | Re: Air charging valve? |
Excellent idea!
However, I have to give the Russians credit for thinking of it first. They use
the same exact valve on the SU-26 for their smoke system as well. The Russian
smoke system is pretty unique. They tap the high pressure air tank, insert
an air pressure regulator to take the pressure down to 13 PSI or so, then run
to a valve going into the smoke tank, and then another valve coming OUT of the
smoke tank that is near the oil nozzles themselves at the exhaust stacks. The
initial turn-on takes about two seconds for smoke as the tank pressurizes,
but after that it is almost instantaneous, and when you turn it off, there is
very little residual flow because you have that 2nd valve right near the nozzles.
Very well thought out and works GREAT, as long as the pressure regulator
is up to snuff, which oftentimes it is not.
:-)
Mark
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 6:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Yak-List: Re: Air charging valve?
BTW I used my dilution valve as part of my smoke system. Hooked in series with
my smoke pump, it opens when I turn on my pump.
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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Yak-List: Re: Air charging valve?
--> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Most people remove and cap all the hoses and fittings for that system.
" Too, a simple on-off switch could then energize the shower-of-sparks, providing
one less thing to mess up in the cockpit"
Ok, you lost me on that one. I'm not sure why you want to do that? The shower
of sparks is wired to the start switch so that you energize it, at the same time
you open the start air solenoid. The shower of sparks is fed to a unique
connection on the mag cap rotor, which in turn provides a retarded spark for
easier starting. Once the engine starts and the mag is providing spark, releasing
the starter button turns off shower of sparks and the mag is providing spark
at "normal" advance, the actual value being dependent on exactly what model
of mag you have installed.
" Is there a fitting on the engine that can be removed? Or just hoses that are
removed"
Typically the hoses are removed and screw-on caps are put on the fittings that
remain on the engine. That being said, you could also remove the fittings and
put in threaded plugs I suppose. For me it was just easier to cap the fittings
that remained on the engine.
Mark
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John B
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Yak-List: Re: Air charging valve?
Mark-
I'm thinking of perhaps removing mine as well. Yes, fewer hoses. Too, a simple
on-off switch could then energize the shower-of-sparks, providing one less thing
to mess up in the cockpit. Is there a fitting on the engine that can be
removed? Or just hoses that are removed?
John B
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
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As explained to me by a few Russians, some would use the chart, and some would
not. One procedure was to activate the switch with the engine running at idle.
Keep the switch held until you saw the very beginning of a slight reduction
in oil pressure, then stop and immediately shut off the engine. Of course (as
was said below) adding fuel to the oil lowered the viscosity until the next
start. AFTER the next start, you remained at idle until oil temp was fully up
to operating temperature, with the assumption that at that point the fuel would
have been "burnt off" (per se) and you were left with pure oil again. If
there is no other way to go, this is a viable method. The bad side being that
oil that is too thick is bad... but then so is oil that is too thin. I don't
know of anyone that is using this system, and mine is REMOVED. (Fewer hoses
to go bad).
However, we do have other ways to go! EZ-HEAT pads on the oil tank, the sump and
the oil cooler, along with a veritherm installed in the oil cooler are a much
safer way to go.
This topic has been discussed at length in the past, you might want to look at
the archives.
Mark
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 11:11 AM
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Yak-List: Re: Air charging valve?
The oil dilution system is an old idea from World War 2. I understand it was originally
a Russian idea that the Germans caught on to. It was used after or just
before engine shutdown. If you knew how long the airplane was going to be
parked in very cold weather you would activate the dilution system for so many
minutes or seconds depending on how long the airplane was going to be sitting.
That kept the oil warm oil viscosity low for that time .. gasoline / fuel would
eventually evaporate out of the oil solution and the oil would become thicker
again after a certain period of time depending on how much fuel you had put
into the oil.
Bush pilots in Alaska often would drain the oil out of their engines if they were
going to sit overnight. They would drain it into a container that they could
put on a stove fire or campfire even to thin out the oil.
If you use the dilution system make sure that you read the pilot's manual or the
operating manual for the airplane for its exact operation.
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From: John B <jbsoar@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Air charging valve?
Can anyone shed some light on the oil dilution system? For cold stating, one would
guess. Is it normally used in the temperate climates?
john b
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:05 PM, John B <jbsoar@gmail.com> wrote:
Spanners? Doesn't the Schrader valve thread on with a knurled nut? The
yellow-painted brass cap comes off with a 3/8 wrench, as I recall. Or am I
confused again?
john b
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:30 PM, Looigi <cdoburton@gmail.com> wrote:
I forgot to mention that the other disadvantage of a schrader valve
is that you need spanners to operate it. The quarter turn Russian one, you
don't!
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Air charging valve? |
Dennis-
Do you have any pictures of this valve set-up?
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:36 AM, A. Dennis Savarese <
dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> The working pressure is limited only by the valve core. Certainly not the
> brass fitting. So there is no bravery involved. Since the valve core is
> removed, there is no limitations associated with the brass fitting.
>
> Inside the cover plate is a thick rubber grommet. The cover plate presses
> up again the rubber grommet. The rubber grommet remains on the aircraft
> when the cover plate is removed and is/was used for the Russian air fill
> adapter. We just make use of what is already on the aircraft.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Looigi <cdoburton@gmail.com>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2016 9:10 PM
> *Subject:* Yak-List: Re: Air charging valve?
>
>
> Now that is a cool idea! How does the air get into the aircraft system
> from the valve stem on the cover plate? My Yak 52 is still getting
> overhauled in Russia, so I don't have an aircraft handy to look at.
>
> I think you are quite brave using a brass fitting for this application;
> the maximum working pressure listed for this fitting is 200psi!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452331#452331
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air charging valve? |
I liked the original bayonet fitting which I kept on both my previous cj
and my l29. I took a stock T-handle adapter and fitted a Schrader valve on
it. This is what I traveled with.
Ernie
On Wednesday, January 27, 2016, John B <jbsoar@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dennis-
> Do you have any pictures of this valve set-up?
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:36 AM, A. Dennis Savarese <
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net');>> wrote:
>
>> The working pressure is limited only by the valve core. Certainly not
>> the brass fitting. So there is no bravery involved. Since the valve core
>> is removed, there is no limitations associated with the brass fitting.
>>
>> Inside the cover plate is a thick rubber grommet. The cover plate
>> presses up again the rubber grommet. The rubber grommet remains on the
>> aircraft when the cover plate is removed and is/was used for the Russian
>> air fill adapter. We just make use of what is already on the aircraft.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Looigi <cdoburton@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cdoburton@gmail.com');>>
>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','yak-list@matronics.com');>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2016 9:10 PM
>> *Subject:* Yak-List: Re: Air charging valve?
>>
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cdoburton@gmail.com');>>
>>
>> Now that is a cool idea! How does the air get into the aircraft system
>> from the valve stem on the cover plate? My Yak 52 is still getting
>> overhauled in Russia, so I don't have an aircraft handy to look at.
>>
>> I think you are quite brave using a brass fitting for this application;
>> the maximum working pressure listed for this fitting is 200psi!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452331#452331
>>
>>
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>>
>> <http://forums.matronics.com/>
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| Subject: | Re: Air charging valve? |
F.Y.I.-
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russian-to-Schrader-Air-Fill-Fitting-Yak-52-CJ-6-Nanchang-/262237283618?hash=item3d0e8f6522:g:uPYAAOSwDNdV0gqP&vxp=mtr
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> I liked the original bayonet fitting which I kept on both my previous cj
> and my l29. I took a stock T-handle adapter and fitted a Schrader valve on
> it. This is what I traveled with.
>
> Ernie
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2016, John B <jbsoar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dennis-
>> Do you have any pictures of this valve set-up?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:36 AM, A. Dennis Savarese <
>> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The working pressure is limited only by the valve core. Certainly not
>>> the brass fitting. So there is no bravery involved. Since the valve core
>>> is removed, there is no limitations associated with the brass fitting.
>>>
>>> Inside the cover plate is a thick rubber grommet. The cover plate
>>> presses up again the rubber grommet. The rubber grommet remains on the
>>> aircraft when the cover plate is removed and is/was used for the Russian
>>> air fill adapter. We just make use of what is already on the aircraft.
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Looigi <cdoburton@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2016 9:10 PM
>>> *Subject:* Yak-List: Re: Air charging valve?
>>>
>>>
>>> Now that is a cool idea! How does the air get into the aircraft system
>>> from the valve stem on the cover plate? My Yak 52 is still getting
>>> overhauled in Russia, so I don't have an aircraft handy to look at.
>>>
>>> I think you are quite brave using a brass fitting for this application;
>>> the maximum working pressure listed for this fitting is 200psi!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452331#452331
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Air charging valve? |
i counted at least twenty seconds....you need more coffee.. !!
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Todd Bohlman <tbohlman@gmail.com> wrote:
> F.Y.I.-
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russian-to-Schrader-Air-Fill-Fitting-Yak-52-CJ-6-Nanchang-/262237283618?hash=item3d0e8f6522:g:uPYAAOSwDNdV0gqP&vxp=mtr
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I liked the original bayonet fitting which I kept on both my previous cj
>> and my l29. I took a stock T-handle adapter and fitted a Schrader valve on
>> it. This is what I traveled with.
>>
>> Ernie
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2016, John B <jbsoar@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dennis-
>>> Do you have any pictures of this valve set-up?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:36 AM, A. Dennis Savarese <
>>> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The working pressure is limited only by the valve core. Certainly not
>>>> the brass fitting. So there is no bravery involved. Since the valve core
>>>> is removed, there is no limitations associated with the brass fitting.
>>>>
>>>> Inside the cover plate is a thick rubber grommet. The cover plate
>>>> presses up again the rubber grommet. The rubber grommet remains on the
>>>> aircraft when the cover plate is removed and is/was used for the Russian
>>>> air fill adapter. We just make use of what is already on the aircraft.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Looigi <cdoburton@gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2016 9:10 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Yak-List: Re: Air charging valve?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now that is a cool idea! How does the air get into the aircraft system
>>>> from the valve stem on the cover plate? My Yak 52 is still getting
>>>> overhauled in Russia, so I don't have an aircraft handy to look at.
>>>>
>>>> I think you are quite brave using a brass fitting for this application;
>>>> the maximum working pressure listed for this fitting is 200psi!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452331#452331
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Air charging valve? |
I posted the only photo I have to the Yak list 2 days ago.=C2- It shows t
he Schrader valve affixed to the external air fill port.Dennis
From: John B <jbsoar@gmail.com>
To: Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Air charging valve?
Dennis-Do you have any pictures of this valve set-up?
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:36 AM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsout
h.net> wrote:
The working pressure is limited only by the valve core.=C2- Certainly not
the brass fitting.=C2- So there is no bravery involved.=C2- Since the
valve core is removed, there is no limitations associated with the brass fi
tting.
Inside the cover plate is a thick rubber grommet.=C2- The cover plate pre
sses up again the rubber grommet.=C2- The rubber grommet remains on the a
ircraft when the cover plate is removed and is/was used for the Russian air
fill adapter.=C2- We just make use of what is already on the aircraft.
Dennis
From: Looigi <cdoburton@gmail.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 9:10 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air charging valve?
Now that is a cool idea! How does the air get into the aircraft system from
the valve stem on the cover plate?=C2- My Yak 52 is still getting overha
uled in Russia, so I don't have an aircraft handy to look at.
I think you are quite brave using a brass fitting for this application; the
maximum working pressure listed for this fitting is 200psi!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452331#452331
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| Subject: | Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
My Yak 52 has the long range tanks. 270 Litres total which is good for 1000km...
300 more than the CJ-6...... nuff said!
skyjockey wrote:
> What am I trying to decide?
>
> Which plane I like best as price is similar for a nice CJ6 versus a nice T34.
>
> Right now I don't need advanced acro plane and for that an Extra or Pitts works
better. I love the Yak but its range and cargo space is not that good for more
than an hour flight. Perhaps someone who has owned both a CJ6 and a T34 might
have some insights. Cost is similar. I see nice CJ6 for 120-150K and nice
T34 in same price range. Fuel burn is similar and MX except for wing spar AD then
would image similar as well.
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| Subject: | Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
Why would anyone want to sit in a Yak or a CJ for that long?
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
> On Jan 28, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Looigi <cdoburton@gmail.com> wrote:
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> My Yak 52 has the long range tanks. 270 Litres total which is good for 1000km...
300 more than the CJ-6...... nuff said!
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>> What am I trying to decide?
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>> Which plane I like best as price is similar for a nice CJ6 versus a nice T34.
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>> Right now I don't need advanced acro plane and for that an Extra or Pitts works
better. I love the Yak but its range and cargo space is not that good for
more than an hour flight. Perhaps someone who has owned both a CJ6 and a T34 might
have some insights. Cost is similar. I see nice CJ6 for 120-150K and nice
T34 in same price range. Fuel burn is similar and MX except for wing spar AD
then would image similar as well.
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