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1. 05:45 AM - Re: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 (jblake207@comcast.net)
2. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 (Ernest Martinez)
3. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 (Todd McCutchan)
4. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 (cjpilot710)
5. 11:48 AM - Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
6. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 (cjpilot710)
7. 03:21 PM - Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 (Looigi)
8. 03:53 PM - Re: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 (Jon Blake)
9. 04:05 PM - remove me from the list (Joe Howse)
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| Subject: | Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
Sorry "Looigi" but my CJ has about 80 gallons of fuel for about six hours d
uration and about 750 miles or about 1200 km (no reserve)... doing it in st
yle and comfort!=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Looigi" <cdoburton@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:18:58 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6
My Yak 52 has the long range tanks. =C2-270 Litres total which is good fo
r 1000km... 300 more than the CJ-6...... nuff said!
skyjockey wrote:
> What am =C2-I trying to decide?
>
> Which plane I like best as price is similar for a nice CJ6 versus a nice
T34.
>
> Right now I don't need advanced acro plane and for that an Extra or Pitts
works better. I love the Yak but its range and cargo space is not that goo
d for more than an hour flight. Perhaps someone who has owned both a CJ6 an
d a T34 might have some insights. Cost is similar. I see nice CJ6 for 120-1
50K and nice T34 in same price range. Fuel burn is similar and MX except fo
r wing spar AD then would image similar as well.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452378#452378
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| Subject: | Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
Not to mention that $120k - $150k would buy a KILLER! Super CJ with every
conceivable mod and upgrade including LR tanks, but $150k would only buy a
poor to mediocre T34.
Ernie
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 8:31 AM, <jblake207@comcast.net> wrote:
> Sorry "Looigi" but my CJ has about 80 gallons of fuel for about six hours
> duration and about 750 miles or about 1200 km (no reserve)... doing it in
> style and comfort!
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Looigi" <cdoburton@gmail.com>
> *To: *yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:18:58 PM
> *Subject: *Yak-List: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6
>
>
> My Yak 52 has the long range tanks. 270 Litres total which is good for
> 1000km... 300 more than the CJ-6...... nuff said!
>
>
> skyjockey wrote:
> > What am I trying to decide?
> >
> > Which plane I like best as price is similar for a nice CJ6 versus a nice
> T34.
> >
> > Right now I don't need advanced acro plane and for that an Extra or
> Pitts works better. I love the Yak but its range and cargo space is not
> that good for more than an hour flight. Perhaps someone who has owned both
> a CJ6 and a T34 might have some insights. Cost is similar. I see nice CJ6
> for 120-150K and nice T34 in same price range. Fuel burn is similar and MX
> except for wing spar AD then would image similar as well.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452378#452378
>
>
> &nbs==
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
Since you asked for some specific T-34 info I will give you some as well as i
mpressions between all of them as I have flown all of them.
My T-34 has 84 gallons burning 15 gph @ 163 KTAS which gives a no reserve ra
nge of 912 nm / 1685 km in actual style and comfort with a huge baggage area
with an external door.
The only thing that may be better at XC would be an SF260. A little faster b
ut not sure about range and baggage area.
The wing spar issue is long ago resolved and wasn't an actual fleet problem b
ut a specific problem for commercial ACM operations that were flying the pla
nes very hard with lots of hours and g cycles. Even the F-15/16/18 wear out!
Anything made will fail with enough g's and cycles. Regardless all the flyi
ng T-34's have had their wings inspected and modified in some way and their l
ives have been extended far beyond our own.
Here is a link to my website that has lots of general T-34 info and links to
the articles I wrote for the EAA Warbirds online website.
http://www.toddmccutchanairshows.com/aircraft/
The 52 is a great local plane and is the best of them at aerobatics. It's al
so in my opinion the best bang for your buck. The CJ will cost a bit more, i
s a bit faster and has better luggage but no inverted system and is not as g
ood at acro. The T-34 will cost the most of the 3 to purchase and is the fas
test with the best baggage and any US A&P can work on it easily and parts ar
e off the shelf from tons of suppliers. T-34 acro ability is almost identica
l to the CJ. Based on comparison between local 50, 52, CJ, and 34 MX cost wo
rks out to be similar with similar usage. The T-34 is mostly gas and go but w
ill cost more when it does need something while the CJ / 52 require a lot mo
re MX per flight hour as oil and air leaks are the most often being chased. P
arts will cost a bit more for the 34 but the Russian / Chinese parts are inc
reasing in cost every year.
Best advice I can give is:
1) buy the right plane for your mission (the way you will use it)
2) buy something that you can support locally (parts, mechanic, etc)
3) lean towards something that the people you fly with will be flying althou
gh any of these planes can fly form with the others.
4) buy the best example you can find/afford (lowest hours/best restoration).
You can pay now or you can pay later but you will always pay in aviation.
The T-34, CJ-6 , Yak 50/52, T-6, SF-260 and T-28 are all great airplanes and
I would own one of each if I could.
Good luck!
Todd McCutchan
T-34A & Yak-50
Cell: (260) 402-1740
E-mail: todd@fastaircraft.com
www.fastaircraft.com
> On Jan 28, 2016, at 6:31 AM, jblake207@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Sorry "Looigi" but my CJ has about 80 gallons of fuel for about six hours d
uration and about 750 miles or about 1200 km (no reserve)... doing it in sty
le and comfort!
>
> From: "Looigi" <cdoburton@gmail.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:18:58 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6
>
>
> My Yak 52 has the long range tanks. 270 Litres total which is good for 10
00km... 300 more than the CJ-6...... nuff said!
>
>
> skyjockey wrote:
> > What am I trying to decide?
> >
> > Which plane I like best as price is similar for a nice CJ6 versus a nice
T34.
> >
> > Right now I don't need advanced acro plane and for that an Extra or Pitt
s works better. I love the Yak but its range and cargo space is not that goo
d for more than an hour flight. Perhaps someone who has owned both a CJ6 and
a T34 might have some insights. Cost is similar. I see nice CJ6 for 120-150
K and nice T34 in same price range. Fuel burn is similar and MX except for w
ing spar AD then would image similar as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452378#452378
>
>
>
>
>
>
> &nbs==
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| Subject: | Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or |
Nanchang CJ-6
Yep! That "Made in China" nametag draws them in likes Bees to Honey!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 2:21 PM
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Yak-List: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang
CJ-6
You forgot the "Chick Factor". While they may be dawned to the AF/Navy tag the
34 has, they being a curious specie are drawn to the " mysteries in the Far East"
and exotic nature of the place. So in that park is CJ reigns supreme.:-)
Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Todd McCutchan <todd@fastaircraft.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6
Since you asked for some specific T-34 info I will give you some as well as impressions
between all of them as I have flown all of them.
My T-34 has 84 gallons burning 15 gph @ 163 KTAS which gives a no reserve range
of 912 nm / 1685 km in actual style and comfort with a huge baggage area with
an external door.
The only thing that may be better at XC would be an SF260. A little faster but
not sure about range and baggage area.
The wing spar issue is long ago resolved and wasn't an actual fleet problem but
a specific problem for commercial ACM operations that were flying the planes
very hard with lots of hours and g cycles. Even the F-15/16/18 wear out! Anything
made will fail with enough g's and cycles. Regardless all the flying T-34's
have had their wings inspected and modified in some way and their lives have
been extended far beyond our own.
Here is a link to my website that has lots of general T-34 info and links to the
articles I wrote for the EAA Warbirds online website.
http://www.toddmccutchanairshows.com/aircraft/
The 52 is a great local plane and is the best of them at aerobatics. It's also
in my opinion the best bang for your buck. The CJ will cost a bit more, is a bit
faster and has better luggage but no inverted system and is not as good at
acro. The T-34 will cost the most of the 3 to purchase and is the fastest with
the best baggage and any US A&P can work on it easily and parts are off the shelf
from tons of suppliers. T-34 acro ability is almost identical to the CJ.
Based on comparison between local 50, 52, CJ, and 34 MX cost works out to be similar
with similar usage. The T-34 is mostly gas and go but will cost more when
it does need something while the CJ / 52 require a lot more MX per flight hour
as oil and air leaks are the most often being chased. Parts will cost a bit
more for the 34 but the Russian / Chinese parts are increasing in cost every
year.
Best advice I can give is:
1) buy the right plane for your mission (the way you will use it)
2) buy something that you can support locally (parts, mechanic, etc)
3) lean towards something that the people you fly with will be flying although
any of these planes can fly form with the others.
4) buy the best example you can find/afford (lowest hours/best restoration). You
can pay now or you can pay later but you will always pay in aviation.
The T-34, CJ-6 , Yak 50/52, T-6, SF-260 and T-28 are all great airplanes and I
would own one of each if I could.
Good luck!
Todd McCutchan
T-34A & Yak-50
Cell: (260) 402-1740
E-mail: todd@fastaircraft.com
www.fastaircraft.com
On Jan 28, 2016, at 6:31 AM, jblake207@comcast.net wrote:
Sorry "Looigi" but my CJ has about 80 gallons of fuel for about six hours duration
and about 750 miles or about 1200 km (no reserve)... doing it in style and
comfort!
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From: "Looigi" <cdoburton@gmail.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:18:58 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6
My Yak 52 has the long range tanks. 270 Litres total which is good for 1000km...
300 more than the CJ-6...... nuff said!
skyjockey wrote:
> What am I trying to decide?
>
> Which plane I like best as price is similar for a nice CJ6 versus a nice T34.
>
> Right now I don't need advanced acro plane and for that an Extra or Pitts works
better. I love the Yak but its range and cargo space is not that good for
more than an hour flight. Perhaps someone who has owned both a CJ6 and a T34 might
have some insights. Cost is similar. I see nice CJ6 for 120-150K and nice
T34 in same price range. Fuel burn is similar and MX except for wing spar AD
then would image similar as well.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452378#452378
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| Subject: | Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
I stand corrected then. It seems Wikipedia doesn't know everything!
However, after 6 hours flying I would imagine that comfort would be a relative
thing eh? My ideal cross country airplane is one in which I can walk to the toilet!
jblake207(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Sorry "Looigi" but my CJ has about 80 gallons of fuel for about six hours duration
and about 750 miles or about 1200 km (no reserve)... doing it in style and
comfort!
>
>
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> From: "Looigi"
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:18:58 PM
> Subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6
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> My Yak 52 has the long range tanks. 270 Litres total which is good for 1000km...
300 more than the CJ-6...... nuff said!
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> skyjockey wrote:
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> > What am I trying to decide?
> >
> > Which plane I like best as price is similar for a nice CJ6 versus a nice T34.
> >
> > Right now I don't need advanced acro plane and for that an Extra or Pitts
works better. I love the Yak but its range and cargo space is not that good for
more than an hour flight. Perhaps someone who has owned both a CJ6 and a T34
might have some insights. Cost is similar. I see nice CJ6 for 120-150K and nice
T34 in same price range. Fuel burn is similar and MX except for wing spar AD
then would image similar as well.
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