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1. 03:53 AM - Start Valve woes (Craig Payne)
2. 04:56 AM - Re: Start Valve woes (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 05:10 AM - M14P breather tube (Dan caldwell)
4. 05:09 AM - M14P breather tube (Dan caldwell)
5. 06:49 AM - Re: M14P breather tube (Roger Kemp)
6. 07:20 AM - FW: M14PEngines-List: Re: Intake tube to supercharger wrench. Are these available? (George S. Coy)
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| Subject: | Start Valve woes |
I did an article on the Start Valve in the Red Alert a few years back.
Archive copies are available on the RedStar web site. Basically, a common
problem is rust and "snot" in the air system. Rust is from the input side.
On the Nanchang, the Input side is mounted down, where water tends to
gather where the steel parts are.
Rust is indicated by a brownish stain on the firewall near the exhaust
holes in the middle. During the condition inspection, I remove the input
B-nut and squirt some WD-40 into the line and re-attach the nut.
Eventually, disassembly and cleaning and replacement of O-rings is called
for. By keeping a spare, I always have one ready to go.
I believe Doug stocks some parts for it but my memory fails in my "golden
years". Generally the solenoid top half is OK. Low air pressure and and a
weak battery can also cause the "whooshing" sound.
One way to test when it fails to start from the cockpit is to get out and
"pop" the lever. Mags OFF of course and stand clear of the prop.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Start Valve woes |
Yes, that was a great article Craig.=C2- Right on the money.
In the interest of safety, I would point out one more thing for the Yak 52
owners.=C2- Remember, we start the Yak 52 with the mag switch off (as Cra
ig mentions for the CJ in his posting).=C2- So before you attempt to use
the little lever on the side of the air start valve to "test" it on the Yak
52, please be absolutely certain you have the BATTERY and IGNITION switche
s turned OFF, or the engine may fire via the starting coil/shower of sparks
. =C2-
Dennis
From: Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com>
To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 6:52 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Start Valve woes
I did an article on the Start Valve in the Red Alert a few years back. Arch
ive copies are available on the RedStar web site. Basically, a common probl
em is rust and "snot" in the air system. Rust is from the input side. On th
e Nanchang, the Input side is mounted down, where water tends to gather whe
re the steel parts are.
Rust is indicated by a brownish stain on the firewall near the exhaust hole
s in the middle. During the condition inspection, I remove the input B-nut
and squirt some WD-40 into the line and re-attach the nut. Eventually, disa
ssembly and cleaning and replacement of O-rings=C2- is called for. By kee
ping a spare, I always have one ready to go.
I believe Doug stocks some parts for it but my memory fails in my "golden y
ears". Generally the solenoid top half is OK. Low air pressure and and a we
ak battery can also cause the "whooshing" sound.
One way to test when it fails to start from the cockpit is to get out and "
pop" the lever. Mags OFF of course and stand clear of the prop.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | M14P breather tube |
I have had little if any oil discharge from the breather hose forward of my tailwheel
the past dozen flights. Flying IAC intermediate sequences has always left
oil on the area behind the hose outlet. Has anyone else experienced a blocked
hose?
Is it a problem?
Dan Caldwell
Yak 55M
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> 1. 12:44 PM - Re: Start button, then whoosh (Javier Carrasco)
> 2. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Emergency brake (doug sapp)
> 3. 06:09 PM - Re: Start button, then whoosh (bill wade)
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> Time: 12:44:41 PM PST US
> From: Javier Carrasco <javiercarrascob@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Start button, then whoosh
>
> That happened to mine, and the mechanic cleaned up the solenoid and replace
> something like a spring, issue resolved
>
>
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> To: "yak-list@matronics.com" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Start button, then whoosh
>
> I was referring to the air distributor.
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2016, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It's an air solenoid, and electrically actuated air valve. It is very=C2-
> common however for the air distributor to get caught "in between" cylinders
> for lack of a better description, thereby venting air out an exhaust or in
> take valve. Pulling the prop through a little usually corrects the issue. I
> f it happens often then you need to look at the distributor timing, which I
> have never=C2-done, but I understand it to be magic.
> Ernie
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2016, John B <jbsoar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My 55 does something similar.=C2- The starter button is real springy, and
> soft.=C2- When I press on it, with the master switch off, it makes a fai
> nt hissing sound.=C2- It is an air valve, and an electrical switch as wel
> l, correct?John B
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
>
> Air start valve is tits. Get a new one from Doug Sapp. It is on the inside
> firewall at about the level of your left big toe. If you have a YAK. 52. A
> pain in the ass to change.
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 7:18 PM, danbooker <danbooker@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> When pushing start button, all I got was whoosh of air and no propeller m
> ovement.=C2- Heard air leaking, I think from behind dash. Any ideas?
>>
>> --------
>> Daniel Booker
>> "Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
>> 2312457798
>> danbooker@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454055#454055
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> Time: 05:26:15 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Emergency brake
> From: doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
>
> Sean,
> I'll check and see if I still have the have the mod. I normally don't
> throw that kind of stuff away, so it's somewhere in the recesses of my
> shop. I'll check this weekend and let you know.
>
> Doug
>
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Ttail <ttail@internode.on.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Same here Doug I would be very interested to see some details on your mod.
>>
>> (Sean Trestrail)
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> Time: 06:09:49 PM PST US
> From: bill wade <bwade154@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Start button, then whoosh
>
> could be a stuck Ex or=C2-In valve also
>
> From: danbooker <danbooker@hotmail.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:18 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Start button, then whoosh
>
>
> When pushing start button, all I got was whoosh of air and no propeller mov
> ement.=C2- Heard air leaking, I think from behind dash. Any ideas?
>
> --------
> Daniel Booker
> "Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
> 2312457798
> danbooker@hotmail.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454055#454055
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| Subject: | M14P breather tube |
I have had little if any oil discharge from the breather hose forward of my tailwheel
the past dozen flights. Flying IAC intermediate sequences has always left
oil on the area behind the hose outlet. Has anyone else experienced a blocked
hose?
Is it a problem?
Dan Caldwell
Yak 55M
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> 1. 12:44 PM - Re: Start button, then whoosh (Javier Carrasco)
> 2. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Emergency brake (doug sapp)
> 3. 06:09 PM - Re: Start button, then whoosh (bill wade)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
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> Time: 12:44:41 PM PST US
> From: Javier Carrasco <javiercarrascob@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Start button, then whoosh
>
> That happened to mine, and the mechanic cleaned up the solenoid and replace
> something like a spring, issue resolved
>
>
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> To: "yak-list@matronics.com" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Start button, then whoosh
>
> I was referring to the air distributor.
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2016, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It's an air solenoid, and electrically actuated air valve. It is very=C2-
> common however for the air distributor to get caught "in between" cylinders
> for lack of a better description, thereby venting air out an exhaust or in
> take valve. Pulling the prop through a little usually corrects the issue. I
> f it happens often then you need to look at the distributor timing, which I
> have never=C2-done, but I understand it to be magic.
> Ernie
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2016, John B <jbsoar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My 55 does something similar.=C2- The starter button is real springy, and
> soft.=C2- When I press on it, with the master switch off, it makes a fai
> nt hissing sound.=C2- It is an air valve, and an electrical switch as wel
> l, correct?John B
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
>
> Air start valve is tits. Get a new one from Doug Sapp. It is on the inside
> firewall at about the level of your left big toe. If you have a YAK. 52. A
> pain in the ass to change.
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 7:18 PM, danbooker <danbooker@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> When pushing start button, all I got was whoosh of air and no propeller m
> ovement.=C2- Heard air leaking, I think from behind dash. Any ideas?
>>
>> --------
>> Daniel Booker
>> "Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
>> 2312457798
>> danbooker@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454055#454055
>
>
>
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> Time: 05:26:15 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Emergency brake
> From: doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
>
> Sean,
> I'll check and see if I still have the have the mod. I normally don't
> throw that kind of stuff away, so it's somewhere in the recesses of my
> shop. I'll check this weekend and let you know.
>
> Doug
>
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Ttail <ttail@internode.on.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Same here Doug I would be very interested to see some details on your mod.
>>
>> (Sean Trestrail)
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454072#454072
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 06:09:49 PM PST US
> From: bill wade <bwade154@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Start button, then whoosh
>
> could be a stuck Ex or=C2-In valve also
>
> From: danbooker <danbooker@hotmail.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:18 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Start button, then whoosh
>
>
> When pushing start button, all I got was whoosh of air and no propeller mov
> ement.=C2- Heard air leaking, I think from behind dash. Any ideas?
>
> --------
> Daniel Booker
> "Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
> 2312457798
> danbooker@hotmail.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454055#454055
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| Subject: | Re: M14P breather tube |
What's your oil level before the flight? Anything over 11 liters tends to be dumped
over the side during. Assuming no one dropped the caps off quart bottles
of oil into the tank.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 7:09 AM, Dan caldwell <sailor2645@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have had little if any oil discharge from the breather hose forward of my tailwheel
the past dozen flights. Flying IAC intermediate sequences has always
left oil on the area behind the hose outlet. Has anyone else experienced a blocked
hose?
> Is it a problem?
> Dan Caldwell
> Yak 55M
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 3:03 AM, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com>
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>> Today's Message Index:
>> ----------------------
>>
>> 1. 12:44 PM - Re: Start button, then whoosh (Javier Carrasco)
>> 2. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Emergency brake (doug sapp)
>> 3. 06:09 PM - Re: Start button, then whoosh (bill wade)
>>
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 12:44:41 PM PST US
>> From: Javier Carrasco <javiercarrascob@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Start button, then whoosh
>>
>> That happened to mine, and the mechanic cleaned up the solenoid and replace
>> something like a spring, issue resolved
>>
>>
>> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>> To: "yak-list@matronics.com" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Start button, then whoosh
>>
>> I was referring to the air distributor.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2016, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's an air solenoid, and electrically actuated air valve. It is very=C2-
>> common however for the air distributor to get caught "in between" cylinders
>> for lack of a better description, thereby venting air out an exhaust or in
>> take valve. Pulling the prop through a little usually corrects the issue. I
>> f it happens often then you need to look at the distributor timing, which I
>> have never=C2-done, but I understand it to be magic.
>> Ernie
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2016, John B <jbsoar@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> My 55 does something similar.=C2- The starter button is real springy, and
>> soft.=C2- When I press on it, with the master switch off, it makes a fai
>> nt hissing sound.=C2- It is an air valve, and an electrical switch as wel
>> l, correct?John B
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Air start valve is tits. Get a new one from Doug Sapp. It is on the inside
>> firewall at about the level of your left big toe. If you have a YAK. 52. A
>> pain in the ass to change.
>> Doc
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 7:18 PM, danbooker <danbooker@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> When pushing start button, all I got was whoosh of air and no propeller m
>> ovement.=C2- Heard air leaking, I think from behind dash. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Daniel Booker
>>> "Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
>>> 2312457798
>>> danbooker@hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454055#454055
>>
>>
>>
>> br>fts!)
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>> oks.com
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>> Time: 05:26:15 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Emergency brake
>> From: doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
>>
>> Sean,
>> I'll check and see if I still have the have the mod. I normally don't
>> throw that kind of stuff away, so it's somewhere in the recesses of my
>> shop. I'll check this weekend and let you know.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Ttail <ttail@internode.on.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Same here Doug I would be very interested to see some details on your mod.
>>>
>>> (Sean Trestrail)
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454072#454072
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 06:09:49 PM PST US
>> From: bill wade <bwade154@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Start button, then whoosh
>>
>> could be a stuck Ex or=C2-In valve also
>>
>> From: danbooker <danbooker@hotmail.com>
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:18 PM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Start button, then whoosh
>>
>>
>> When pushing start button, all I got was whoosh of air and no propeller mov
>> ement.=C2- Heard air leaking, I think from behind dash. Any ideas?
>>
>> --------
>> Daniel Booker
>> "Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
>> 2312457798
>> danbooker@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454055#454055
>>
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Are these available?
I have now uploaded my Autocad drawings of the Exhaust/intake pin
wrench, the intake pipe castle nut wrench, and the V-530 propeller hub
nut wrench.
The are in the Tool Kit Folder of the Shared google Drive: M14-P
<https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_E0KXhypQtgZnFPZmZGRVU1cVU>
I simply haven't had time to manufacture these tool kits any more and
there's no sense in letting this work go to waste.
Enjoy,
Cliff
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