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1. 12:48 AM - Intake manifold drain system? (John B)
2. 02:29 AM - FW: Manifold oil drain (Richard Goode)
3. 03:07 AM - Re: What are folks using for a Top-Dead-Center finder? (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 05:52 AM - Re: Carry spare air CO2...ever leave your valve on? (Ernest Martinez)
5. 06:14 AM - Re: Intake manifold drain system? (Roger Kemp)
6. 06:23 AM - Re: Carry spare air CO2...ever leave your valve on? (Roger Kemp)
7. 09:48 AM - Re: Intake tube tool? Supercharger-to-intake tube. (doug sapp)
8. 09:59 AM - Re: Carry spare air CO2...ever leave your valve on? (Lee Haven)
9. 10:07 AM - Re: Carry spare air CO2...ever leave your valve on? (Ernest Martinez)
10. 11:15 AM - Yak52 GEN FAULT light (Rui Cavaco)
11. 11:28 AM - Re: [Non-DoD Source] Yak52 GEN FAULT light (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
12. 11:50 AM - TDC Tools (Craig Payne)
13. 12:05 PM - Re: TDC Tools (Ernest Martinez)
14. 12:54 PM - Re: TDC Tools (A. Dennis Savarese)
15. 02:41 PM - Baffle seals for M14-P (John B)
16. 02:59 PM - Re: Baffle seals for M14-P (George S. Coy)
17. 06:46 PM - Re: TDC Tools (Roger Kemp)
18. 07:01 PM - Re: TDC Tools (Jon Blake)
19. 08:18 PM - Re: TDC Tools (Walter Lannon)
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Subject: | Intake manifold drain system? |
Does anyone have pictures, or a good description, of their intake manifold
drains?
Series one engine preferred.
Thank you!
John B
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Subject: | FW: Manifold oil drain |
In response - here is a schematic drawing of the manifold oil drain system.
I should say that we prefer to have two drain taps, one draining two intake
tubes and the other a single one.
It is also important to keep the length of hose very short - we've seen some
installations which go back to the rear of the engine cowling, and,
particularly in cold weather, this can lead to the oil congealing and not
draining well. In addition, the standard large nut on the intake tubes is
quite thin, and is certainly not designed to be drilled and tapped for an A
N fitting, and are liable to crack, and for this reason we make much thicker
nuts with more than sufficient metal to be drilled and tapped.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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Subject: | Re: What are folks using for a Top-Dead-Center finder? |
I think you're right Walt.BRDennis
From: Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: What are folks using for a Top-Dead-Center finder?
Hi Dennis;=C2-I guess the angle then is not acute enough to cause bending
.=C2-=C2- But it is designed for a centrally located spark plug hole at
90 deg. from the piston surface.=C2-CheersWalt=C2-From: A. Dennis Sava
rese Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 1:44 PMTo: yak-list@matronics.com Subject
: Re: Yak-List: What are folks using for a Top-Dead-Center finder?=C2-Yes
that's true Walt. But I know it works on M14's and HS6's. I would imagine
the manufacturer never intended it to be used on an aircraft radial engine.
=C2- What I was looking forwhen I found this several years ago was a TDC
tool for 14mm threads.=C2- Also one with a "ball" on the sliding componen
t because of the plug thread angle to the top of the piston.=C2- When I b
ought this one I knew it might not work.=C2- I figured I could always ret
urn if it didn't work.=C2- I've had it ever since. Best regards, Dennis
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2016, at 1:56 PM, Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hi Dennis; =C2- Out of curiosity I checked the website you provided.
=C2-=C2- It sure enough is a TDC indicating tool but could not work on
any aircraft engine.=C2- Check the user comments. Wrong website? =C2- B
est; Walt =C2- From: A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016
5:11 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: What are folks u
sing for a Top-Dead-Center finder? =C2- This one works well and I have
used it for several years.=C2- You may find it at other retailers.=C2-
14mm thread.
=C2- http://www.amazon.com/Innovative-Products-America-7880-Indicator/dp
/B002XMOMA2 =C2- Dennis
From: John B <jbsoar@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 1:37 AM
Subject: Yak-List: What are folks using for a Top-Dead-Center finder?
=C2- The TDC tool is missing from my tool kit.=C2- Has anyone had an
y luck with an automotive type?=C2-=C2- John B Phoenix
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Subject: | Re: Carry spare air CO2...ever leave your valve on? |
That is very cool. Do just use this in the hangar with an external shop air
compressor, or have you tried using the residual air in the main air tank?
Ernie
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Cory Robin <crobin@skyvantage.com> wrote:
> I love my little compressor...
>
> http://shoeboxcompressor.com/
>
> We don't need the higher compressions, but this thing will fill your tank
> in a couple minutes. (or a spare scuba tank without having to pay for
> refills)
>
> Cory.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Firstly I'm not sure what you mean by "CO2 transitions to vapor at 750
>> PSI". Solid CO2 will sublimate directly to gas at room temp. Compressing
>> gaseous CO2 will cause it to transition to a liquid. It will transition
>> immediately to a gas once the pressure drops.
>>
>> I'm not quite sure that releasing liquid CO2 from a tank into the air
>> lines would make it turn into a gas unless there was some space at the top
>> of the bottle and it was standing upright. So you would be dumping liquid
>> CO2 into the cylinder where it would violently expand. Even if it did
>> arrive at the cylinder as an expanding gas, it would be at several hundred
>> degrees below zero and I'm not sure what effect that would have on the
>> piston, rings, and the cylinder itself. I would think that the rapid
>> cooling would cause the cylinder to contract and seize the piston in place.
>> Then theres all the water that would immediately condense in the cylinder.
>>
>> Lastly, only SOME planes are able to start on nitrogen, SOME can't,
>> probably has to do with air distributor timing. I don't think a frozen,
>> water laden cylinder would fare very well.
>>
>> Ernie
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Lee Haven <leeh@emtinternational.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone ever used a LIQUID CO2 tank as a spare air source? They are
>>> common for paintball or beer kegs, lightweight carbon fiber, carry a DOT
>>> rating, and WAY more dense than carrying compressed gas in a pony bottle.
>>> This means you can carry a tiny thermos bottle size tank and get a FULL
>>> recharge on your main.
>>>
>>> CO2 transitions liquid to vapor phase at 750 psi (50 bar, perfect).
>>> 1 pound of CO2 is 8.5 cubic feet of gas at STP.
>>> The main tank is about 1 cubic foot (charge to 750 psi, 50 bar/cubic
>>> feet are needed if dead flat).
>>> For reference, a SCUBA tank is 80 cubic feet compressed (3000 psi).
>>>
>>> Therefore, a tiny thermos sized tank at 20 ounces would charge the main
>>> to 75 percent from half dead.
>>>
>>> Carrying a 2.5 pound tank (about same as a MINI pony bottle) would be a
>>> full main air recharge (and under 5 pounds and 4"X15"...tiny)
>>>
>>> I have done many 100 percent nitrogen refill starts so I know inert gas
>>> starts (such as CO2) work.
>>>
>>> Question is...i am curious to know if anyone else has tried? I would
>>> love to carry a small, lunchbox size tank to get a second chance at
>>> startup...nobody ever leaves their valve open right?
>>>
>>> Lee Haven
>>> Green bay formation FIGHT club
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Subject: | Re: Intake manifold drain system? |
Can make one later today. Jim Kimble has the kits.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Apr 11, 2016, at 2:45 AM, John B <jbsoar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have pictures, or a good description, of their intake manifold drains?
> Series one engine preferred.
> Thank you!
> John B
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Subject: | Re: Carry spare air CO2...ever leave your valve on? |
It provides non-breathable air. Don't use it on your scuba tanks if you plan
on diving with them.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Apr 11, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That is very cool. Do just use this in the hangar with an external shop ai
r compressor, or have you tried using the residual air in the main air tank?
>
> Ernie
>
>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Cory Robin <crobin@skyvantage.com> wrot
e:
>> I love my little compressor...
>>
>> http://shoeboxcompressor.com/
>>
>> We don't need the higher compressions, but this thing will fill your tank
in a couple minutes. (or a spare scuba tank without having to pay for refi
lls)
>>
>> Cory.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wr
ote:
>>> Firstly I'm not sure what you mean by "CO2 transitions to vapor at 750 P
SI". Solid CO2 will sublimate directly to gas at room temp. Compressing gase
ous CO2 will cause it to transition to a liquid. It will transition immediat
ely to a gas once the pressure drops.
>>>
>>> I'm not quite sure that releasing liquid CO2 from a tank into the air li
nes would make it turn into a gas unless there was some space at the top of t
he bottle and it was standing upright. So you would be dumping liquid CO2 in
to the cylinder where it would violently expand. Even if it did arrive at th
e cylinder as an expanding gas, it would be at several hundred degrees below
zero and I'm not sure what effect that would have on the piston, rings, and
the cylinder itself. I would think that the rapid cooling would cause the c
ylinder to contract and seize the piston in place. Then theres all the water
that would immediately condense in the cylinder.
>>>
>>> Lastly, only SOME planes are able to start on nitrogen, SOME can't, prob
ably has to do with air distributor timing. I don't think a frozen, water la
den cylinder would fare very well.
>>>
>>> Ernie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Lee Haven <leeh@emtinternational.com> w
rote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone ever used a LIQUID CO2 tank as a spare air source? They are
common for paintball or beer kegs, lightweight carbon fiber, carry a DOT ra
ting, and WAY more dense than carrying compressed gas in a pony bottle. Thi
s means you can carry a tiny thermos bottle size tank and get a FULL recharg
e on your main.
>>>> CO2 transitions liquid to vapor phase at 750 psi (50 bar, perfect).
>>>> 1 pound of CO2 is 8.5 cubic feet of gas at STP.
>>>> The main tank is about 1 cubic foot (charge to 750 psi, 50 bar/cubic fe
et are needed if dead flat).
>>>> For reference, a SCUBA tank is 80 cubic feet compressed (3000 psi).
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, a tiny thermos sized tank at 20 ounces would charge the main
to 75 percent from half dead.
>>>>
>>>> Carrying a 2.5 pound tank (about same as a MINI pony bottle) would be a
full main air recharge (and under 5 pounds and 4"X15"...tiny)
>>>>
>>>> I have done many 100 percent nitrogen refill starts so I know inert gas
starts (such as CO2) work.
>>>>
>>>> Question is...i am curious to know if anyone else has tried? I would l
ove to carry a small, lunchbox size tank to get a second chance at startup..
.nobody ever leaves their valve open right?
>>>>
>>>> Lee Haven
>>>> Green bay formation FIGHT club
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Subject: | Re: Intake tube tool? Supercharger-to-intake tube. |
John,
I have most all the tools in stock.
Doug
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 10:36 PM, John B <jbsoar@gmail.com> wrote:
> Folks-
> I don't remember who said they had a supercharger-to-intake tube wrench
> available. If anyone has a spare, please PM me.
> Thank you!
> John B
> Phoenix, AZ
>
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Subject: | Re: Carry spare air CO2...ever leave your valve on? |
Ernie, as you mentioned, the bottle would be of course be upright and
therefore tapped for vapor not liquid.
Latent heat of vaporization would cool the bottle and contents quickly as
vapor was tapped and the liquid boiled. Since it would be regaining energy
from ambient air, the fill process might take 5-10 minutes (similar to
boiling Freon gas into your car's AC...most put the can in a pot of warm
water).
Liquefied CO2 is 600 times the density of CO2 gas. A great way to carry a
very small tank and volume of material to refill the bottle. No one has
ever used this? Maybe it's only a big deal because I am unwilling to hand
prop!
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Subject: | Re: Carry spare air CO2...ever leave your valve on? |
Try it, see what happens. Let me know.
On Monday, April 11, 2016, Lee Haven <leerhaven@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ernie, as you mentioned, the bottle would be of course be upright and
> therefore tapped for vapor not liquid.
>
> Latent heat of vaporization would cool the bottle and contents quickly as
> vapor was tapped and the liquid boiled. Since it would be regaining energy
> from ambient air, the fill process might take 5-10 minutes (similar to
> boiling Freon gas into your car's AC...most put the can in a pot of warm
> water).
>
> Liquefied CO2 is 600 times the density of CO2 gas. A great way to carry a
> very small tank and volume of material to refill the bottle. No one has
> ever used this? Maybe it's only a big deal because I am unwilling to hand
> prop!
>
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Subject: | Yak52 GEN FAULT light |
Hi! My Yak is doesnt disconnect the generator at low RPM, and the ampmeter shows
left of 0 at low RPM and right of 0 indication at RPM above 40%. any ideas ?
Thanks
Rui Cavaco
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Subject: | Yak52 GEN FAULT light |
Yes, this is a classic case of your batteries being weak. Replace them. If
you keep running the airplane in this condition you stand a strong chance of ruining
the DMR-200 relay, if you have not already.
To check to see if it is still working at all, turn on your master with the engine
not running and observe that the ammeter is close to zero. If it is, you've
a lucky man.
The DMR-200 requires reverse current to disconnect the generator at idle (as it
is supposed to do). If your batteries are too weak to provide this current,
the relay stays energized and you discharge back into the generator and things
start getting hot quickly.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rui Cavaco
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 2:15 PM
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Yak52 GEN FAULT light
Hi! My Yak is doesnt disconnect the generator at low RPM, and the ampmeter shows
left of 0 at low RPM and right of 0 indication at RPM above 40%. any ideas ?
Thanks
Rui Cavaco
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Anyone remember the top device in the attached pic? They were sold on eBay
a number of years ago for these engines.
Craig Payne
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Looks like a steam punk rectal thermometer.
On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone remember the top device in the attached pic? They were sold on eBay
> a number of years ago for these engines.
>
> Craig Payne
>
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I do.=C2- The bottom one in the photo is from the original Russian tool k
it for the M14.=C2- Have two very bad experiences with them.=C2- Actual
ly had to cut them off just above the spark plug hole because the hook on t
he tool jammed inside the cylinder when attempting to remove it.=C2-=C2
-=C2- That one I do NOT recommend using under any circumstances.
Dennis
From: Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com>
To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 2:49 PM
Subject: Yak-List: TDC Tools
Anyone remember the top device in the attached pic? They were sold on eBay
a number of years ago for these engines.
Craig Payne
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Subject: | Baffle seals for M14-P |
Is anyone selling the flexible baffle material? Might a kit be available?
Thank you.
John B
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Subject: | Baffle seals for M14-P |
We can supply new baffle cushions. These are the cushions mounted around
the perimeter of the engine metal baffles.
George Coy
MotorstarNA
714 Airport Rd.
Swanton VT 05488
802-868-5633 off
802-363-5782 cell
802-868-6632 Fax
<mailto:george.coy@gmail.com> george.coy@gmail.com
<http://motorstarna.com/> http://motorstarna.com/
SKYPE george.coy
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John B
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 5:40 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Baffle seals for M14-P
Is anyone selling the flexible baffle material? Might a kit be
available?
Thank you.
John B
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No Ernie the steam punk rectal thermometer is bigger. Had to take one out of
a gay boy once.
Doc
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> On Apr 11, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Looks like a steam punk rectal thermometer.
>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anyone remember the top device in the attached pic? They were sold on eBa
y a number of years ago for these engines.
>>
>> Craig Payne
>
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I have never seen the top one. Looks like a very good unit.
I wonder if that could be a Czech or Polish version. Will check with
the local Wilga guy.
The bottom one is the factory original (Russian or Chinese) both of
which I have been using for about 20 years.
Walt
From: Craig Payne
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 11:49 AM
Subject: Yak-List: TDC Tools
Anyone remember the top device in the attached pic? They were sold on
eBay a number of years ago for these engines.
Craig Payne
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