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Mon 06/06/16


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     1. 08:51 AM - Re: Pressure testing housai hoses (Richard Goode)
     2. 09:05 AM - Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Yak 52 Operating Limitations (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
     3. 09:14 AM - Re: Pressure testing housai hoses (doug sapp)
     4. 09:39 AM - AirVenture Invitation (Rico Jaeger)
     5. 09:45 AM - Re: [Non-DoD Source] Yak tailwheel (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
     6. 10:02 AM -  (Delfindriver)
     7. 10:03 AM - Re: [Non-DoD Source] Yak tailwheel (Jan Mevis)
     8. 02:26 PM -  (schwartzcompany@att.net)
     9. 02:50 PM - Re:  (Robin Hou)
    10. 03:58 PM - Re:  (A. Dennis Savarese)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:51:07 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
    Subject: Pressure testing housai hoses
    We make new hoses for our customers, with our partner, Aerometal in Hungary, and I assume the Russians use very similar operating pressures as the Chinese. However we test new hoses at 100 bar (1500 PSI) - dramatically more than the pressure in service, but we feel that is prudent. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harv Sent: 05 June 2016 17:13 Subject: Yak-List: Pressure testing housai hoses Looking for some info regarding pressure testing the flexible oil hoses on a CJ6 What pressure would these require testing at in PSI? Any tips and procedure you may have would I'd be interested to hear details. Tia Harv Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456874#456874 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 09:05:14 AM PST US
    From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
    Subject: Re: Yak 52 Operating Limitations
    First, let me say I am not disagreeing with anything Greg wrote. His stories and advice are extremely accurate. But let me add what I believe is a good suggestion. The very best thing a person can do when faced with this problem is to join the EAA and go to them for help. For example: It is possible to remove the 300 mile limit on the Operating Limitations without changing anything else, if you go about doing it properly and know exactly what is legal and what is not. The FAA is very good at "interpreting" rules and regs in many different ways depending on the FISDO. Thus it is best to never ask the FAA *ANYTHING*. Do not ASK them to tell you how to do something. Know in advance and be prepared to tell *THEM*. Of course be polite and if the conversation starts going south, end it politely, then get your ducks in a row and call back with everything right in front of you for reference. And who will help you with all this? The Experimental Aircraft Association. If the FAA tells you some nonsense (and they can), just relay that to the EAA and they will quote you paragraph and verse, tell you where to find it, and if it gets REALLY bad, they will actually call their FAA friends in D.C., and have THEM pass the correct info to the particular FISDO. That is of course a last resort, but it is a POWERFUL resort should you need it. I'm willing to take it on the chin if someone really disagrees, but I am going to go so far as to say that anyone with a Yak or CJ that is not a member of the EAA really needs to rethink his or her logic. This organization is there to support the exact kind of thing we all have spent a lot of money on and are basically in love with. They are ready and willing to help every one of us, and already have many times. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Wrobel Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 8:45 AM Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 Operating Limitations You can be in for a Bag of Worms. The FAR says you need to notify the Local FISDO within 30 days that the aircraft has a new home base. As far as your operating limitations, here is the rub. Depending on how your Operating Limitations read, you may want to change them or you may want to leave them alone. Based on what you wrote, I would change them. Remember, every FISDO is different and none of them are consistent!! Three examples. I changed my "N" number. It required new Operating Limitations and Airworthiness Certificate and an inspection of my aircraft and logbooks by the FISDO . When my Limitations were redone, I was able to remove my 300 mile limitation and the Limitations were brought in line with the current regs. It was not a bad experience but you need to have a good FISDO and be involved! Second example. A friend of mine brought a CJ in from Washington state to Indiana. He notified the FISDO within 30 days of the aircraft's new home and although the FISDO wanted to reissue the limitations, my friend elected not to and I believe has the old 300 mile limitation. Third example. Another friend of mine brought an aircraft in Florida and brought it back to Tennessee. We notified the local FISDO within 30 days and they wanted to see the limitations. Although we were OK with what was written, when they were approved years prior, the FISDO for some reason put the owners name on the Limitations. Our Local FISDO said we needed a new Operating Limitations issued to remove the previous owners name (We could accept that reasoning). Well, they brought them up to date with the current rules and my buddy jumped through more hoops than a dog and clown act at a circus! The FISDO came out, inspected the aircraft, logbooks, made some suggestions, asked a lot of questions and the list goes on but in the end we "got er done". Remember, every FISDO is different. Some are reasonable and use common sense and some think they have been working for the FAA of Europe! Get together with someone in your area that mi! ght have a CJ or YAK and go over the limitations. Read what the new 8130H has to say and gets your ducks lined up. Be prepared to "Stand your ground" if necessary. My local FISDO wanted me to comply with European AD's because there were none in the Good Old U.S.A. I had to say that there was no requirement to comply with Europe's AD's and he backed down but he initially had included them when he rewrote my limitations!! Good luck. Be prepared and be educated before you start the process. Congratulations on your new purchase. Your going to enjoy the aircraft the the YAK / CJ Redstar community. On Jun 3, 2016 6:49 PM, "ggtyler" <ggtyler@gmail.com> wrote: Hey guys! New 52TW owner here, and trying to get everything sorted for moving my plane to it's new home base in Placerville, CA. I've done my research, but can't seem to find a definite answer on the operating limitations. I've filed the new program letter with my FSDO, but as far as I can tell FAA Memorandum Deviation to order 8130.2G Section 10 states that I do not need to modify or change the operating limitations to reflect the new home base. http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/7Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf According to Part 4107 (D) "All previously issued airworthiness certificates and operating limitations will remain valid". Question 1: Do I need to file an amendment to the operation limitations to show me as the the new pilot? Or is my program letter sufficient for that? The operating limitations to not list a home base. Question 2: The operation limitations state that "proficiency flights are limited to a nonstop flight that begin and end at the aircraft's home base airport. An alternate airport selection is not permitted for this aircraft. (exceptions are made for formation flying, training or pilot checkout, as long as I notify my local FSDO) Does this mean I can not fly to another local airport for takeoff and landing practice? Do I need to notify my FSDO ever time I intend to land at another airport? Thanks for any help or advise you can offer. Really appreciate I've already learned by lurking here on these forums. 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    Time: 09:14:58 AM PST US
    From: doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Pressure testing housai hoses
    I would have to agree with Richard, any hose assemblies or valves which we make or overhaul "in house" are tested to at least 1000 psi. That said, I would not recommend such a test to determine the airworthiness of old hoses. Doug On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Richard Goode < richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote: > richard.goode@russianaeros.com> > > We make new hoses for our customers, with our partner, Aerometal in > Hungary, > and I assume the Russians use very similar operating pressures as the > Chinese. However we test new hoses at 100 bar (1500 PSI) - dramatically > more > than the pressure in service, but we feel that is prudent. > > Richard Goode Aerobatics > Rhodds Farm > Lyonshall > Hereford > HR5 3LW > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 > www.russianaeros.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harv > Sent: 05 June 2016 17:13 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Pressure testing housai hoses > > > Looking for some info regarding pressure testing the flexible oil hoses on > a > CJ6 > > What pressure would these require testing at in PSI? > > Any tips and procedure you may have would I'd be interested to hear > details. > > Tia > Harv > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456874#456874 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > >


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    Time: 09:39:12 AM PST US
    From: Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot@hotmail.com>
    Subject: AirVenture Invitation
    Redstars, Just a quick reminder to RSVP regarding the Formation Clinic in Wausau, WI (AUW) the week / weekend prior to AirVenture - THE MORE - THE MERRIER!! It' s a blast and they treat us like gold! AND the following week... ...when you're soaking up all that is AirVenture, be sure to visit the infa mous SOS BEER TENT where honest-to-goodness fighter pilots rub elbows w/ al l of us who fly in their shadows! They fly SORTIES, and I fly, well...SORTA . But stop-in there ESPECIALLY on Tuesday evening when my band, "Sonic Circ us" is playing! If you DO make it, say "hi" to the lead singer (me) and let 's have a toast to "the most wonderful time of the year!" Always great to m eet old and new aviation friends! https://www.facebook.com/soniccircusband/ Sonic Circus - Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/soniccircusband/> www.facebook.com Sonic Circus. 3,286 likes =B7 24 talking about this. Three time WAMI winnin g Cover Band of the Year! The honor would be all MINE! Blue skies, tailwinds and cheap gas, Rico Jaeger 915 S. 11th Ave. Wausau, WI. 54401 715.529.7426 // 1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X N8558G // Hangar #35 / AUW // 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X N21YK // Hangar #21 / AUW


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    Time: 09:45:43 AM PST US
    From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
    Subject: Yak tailwheel
    Dan, it's been awhile since I have done it and I remember it stumped me too. My memory says, you let all the air out of the tire as well as removing the valve so there is NO air in the tire. Then you can use a vise (or even in some cases two hands, or some BIG Channel Lock pliers) and squeeze the wheel from both sides. When you do this, a round steel ring retainer will fall out of the one side. When this happens, the wheel will just come apart in two halves. You do NOT "unscrew it". It just pulls apart evenly. Once you see it happen, you will slap yourself on the forehead! At least I did. Glad to see someone else has a hard time figuring it out. If you look carefully, you should see the steel ring on one side that we are talking about. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan caldwell Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 11:15 PM Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Yak tailwheel I am stumped as to how the Yak 55M tailwheel hub comes apart. My tire is worn and I need to change it. I took both circlips off but they only seem to retain the roller bearings. There is a retainer ring with three indentations on it. Do I need a special tool to unscrew it? Dan Caldwell


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    Time: 10:02:44 AM PST US
    From: Delfindriver <L29delfin@yahoo.com>
    Subject:
    Can someone post the emergency gear blow down test procedure to avoid the gear slamming down or up. I recall first bleed main air to equal or lower than emergency side Bob


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    Time: 10:03:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Yak tailwheel
    From: Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
    Ive seen East-bloc mechanics put a girder on the wheel (flat on the ground of course) and then advance with a car on that girder Jan On 06/06/16 18:45, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote: ><mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> > >Dan, it's been awhile since I have done it and I remember it stumped me >too. My memory says, you let all the air out of the tire as well as >removing the valve so there is NO air in the tire. Then you can use a >vise (or even in some cases two hands, or some BIG Channel Lock pliers) >and squeeze the wheel from both sides. When you do this, a round steel >ring retainer will fall out of the one side. When this happens, the >wheel will just come apart in two halves. You do NOT "unscrew it". It >just pulls apart evenly. > >Once you see it happen, you will slap yourself on the forehead! At least >I did. Glad to see someone else has a hard time figuring it out. If >you look carefully, you should see the steel ring on one side that we are >talking about. > >Mark > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan caldwell >Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 11:15 PM >To: Yak-List Digest List >Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Yak tailwheel > > >I am stumped as to how the Yak 55M tailwheel hub comes apart. My tire is >worn and I need to change it. >I took both circlips off but they only seem to retain the roller >bearings. There is a retainer ring with three indentations on it. >Do I need a special tool to unscrew it? >Dan Caldwell > >


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    Time: 02:26:35 PM PST US
    From: schwartzcompany@att.net
    Subject:
    Can someone post the emergency gear blow down test on jacks procedure to avoid the gear slamming down or up. I recall first bleed main air to equal or lower than emergency side Bob Get Outlook for Android


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    Time: 02:50:36 PM PST US
    From: Robin Hou <rmhou@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: e: Yak-List:
    For Dennis website:Maintenance | | | | | | | | | | | Maintenance | | | | On Monday, June 6, 2016 2:39 PM, "schwartzcompany@att.net" <schwartzcompany@att.net> wrote: Can someone post the emergency gear blow down test on jacks procedure to avoid the gear slamming down or up. I recall first bleed main air to equal or lower than emergency side Bob Get Outlook for Android


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    Time: 03:58:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re:
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Go to my web site, www.yak-52.com and download it. Dennis Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2016, at 5:23 PM, schwartzcompany@att.net wrote: > > > Can someone post the emergency gear blow down test on jacks procedure to a void the gear slamming down or up. I recall first bleed main air to equal or lower than emergency side > Bob > > > Get Outlook for Android ========================== ========================== ========================== ========================== ========================== ========================== ========================== ============




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