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1. 05:42 AM - Re: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus (Jill Gernetzke)
2. 05:42 AM - Re: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus (Jill Gernetzke)
3. 05:53 AM - testing (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 06:52 AM - Re: testing (jlpartington@reagan.com)
5. 06:59 AM - Re: testing (Greg Wrobel)
6. 07:12 AM - Re: testing (JON)
7. 07:17 AM - Re: testing (Ernest Martinez)
8. 08:37 AM - Re: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus (Top Ace)
9. 08:49 AM - Multigrade oils (Richard Goode)
10. 09:20 AM - Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (Top Ace)
11. 11:34 AM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (Greg Wrobel)
12. 11:48 AM - Re: testing (Mike Holoman)
13. 11:51 AM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (JON)
14. 01:01 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (Top Ace)
15. 01:06 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (William Halverson)
16. 01:22 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (jlpartington@reagan.com)
17. 01:41 PM - Mechanic (DaBear@damned.org)
18. 01:42 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (L129bs)
19. 01:43 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (JON)
20. 01:56 PM - Re: Multigrade oils (Mark Davis)
21. 02:18 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (William Halverson)
22. 02:29 PM - OshKosh Arrival (danbooker)
23. 02:30 PM - OshKosh Arrival (danbooker)
24. 02:34 PM - Re: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus (Paul Lewis)
25. 05:15 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (Hank Gibson)
26. 05:52 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (Greg Wrobel)
27. 05:58 PM - Re: OshKosh Arrival (cjpilot710@aol.com)
28. 06:00 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (cjpilot710@aol.com)
29. 06:47 PM - Re: OshKosh Arrival (John Casper)
30. 06:49 PM - Re: OshKosh Arrival (John Casper)
31. 07:26 PM - Dumb oil line question (greg.barnhard@gmail.com)
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| Subject: | RE: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus |
Royden & Group:
"Jill has advised previously on the Yak list that prolonged use of
>Phillips
>can cause valve sticking with deposit build up (as I remember her to say)
>but that can be countered with the prescribed dosage of CamGuard, while
>use
>Aeroshell doen't seem to result in that "problem""
Royden, you are correct. I had several customers using Camguard. I have
zero experience with it. But, MMO in the oil and/or fuel mitigates the
sticking valves problem if you are insisting on using the Phillips 25W60
Oil.
Not all radial engines experience the problems with the Phillips. We have
had numerous Stearman friends using it with no apparent issues. On the
other hand, Precisions Engines issued a Bulletin. Here is a link to their
article: http://www.precisionengines.com/upload/resources/5.pdf
I wanted to add a comment on the +5, -3 commentary, from a while back.
Having the "pie plate" wing root fairings does not tell you definitively
that you have a "heavy spar" Yak. Those fairings will fit on either Yak. I
have several sets of pie plate fairings in stock. The best thing to do is
to measure the wing attach fittings and you will know 100%.
See some of you at OSH!
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
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| Subject: | RE: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus |
Royden & Group:
"Jill has advised previously on the Yak list that prolonged use of
>Phillips
>can cause valve sticking with deposit build up (as I remember her to say)
>but that can be countered with the prescribed dosage of CamGuard, while
>use
>Aeroshell doen't seem to result in that "problem""
Royden, you are correct. I had several customers using Camguard. I have
zero experience with it. But, MMO in the oil and/or fuel mitigates the
sticking valves problem if you are insisting on using the Phillips 25W60
Oil.
Not all radial engines experience the problems with the Phillips. We have
had numerous Stearman friends using it with no apparent issues. On the
other hand, Precisions Engines issued a Bulletin. Here is a link to their
article: http://www.precisionengines.com/upload/resources/5.pdf
I wanted to add a comment on the +5, -3 commentary, from a while back.
Having the "pie plate" wing root fairings does not tell you definitively
that you have a "heavy spar" Yak. Those fairings will fit on either Yak. I
have several sets of pie plate fairings in stock. The best thing to do is
to measure the wing attach fittings and you will know 100%.
See some of you at OSH!
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
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Is anyone getting my post? Usually when I post to the list, I get a email
from the list.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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=0Agot this one=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: cjpilot710@aol.com=0AS
ent: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016 7:52am=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASubject:
Yak-List: testing=0A=0A=0A=0AIs anyone getting my post? Usually when I pos
t to the list, I get a email from the list.=0A =0AJim "Pappy" Goolsby=0A=0A
=0A=0A
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First one in a long time.
On Jul 19, 2016 8:56 AM, <jlpartington@reagan.com> wrote:
> got this one
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016 7:52am
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: testing
>
> Is anyone getting my post? Usually when I post to the list, I get a email
> from the list.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
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Pappy, I didn't get your original post, but I did get this one from Parting
ton.=C2- JB
----- Original Message -----
From: jlpartington@reagan.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:51:24 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: testing
got this one
-----Original Message-----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016 7:52am
Subject: Yak-List: testing
Is anyone getting my post?=C2- Usually when I post to the list, I get a e
mail from the list.
=C2-
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
=C2-
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I also didn't get the one you were going to send tomorrow.
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:12 AM, JON <jblake207@comcast.net> wrote:
> Pappy, I didn't get your original post, but I did get this one from
> Partington. JB
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *jlpartington@reagan.com
> *To: *yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:51:24 AM
> *Subject: *RE: Yak-List: testing
>
> got this one
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016 7:52am
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: testing
>
> Is anyone getting my post? Usually when I post to the list, I get a email
> from the list.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus |
Folks,, number one reason to change over to the Shell W100. Due to the Phillips
brand is just not always available north of the border,, I can pick up cases
at my local Shell dealer here in Montreal, and most FBO stock the W 100, appreciate
every ones advice, thanks guys, David
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458359#458359
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These engines were never designed to use oils that are as thin as the
multigrades, which is why they do leak oil when multigrade are used. Also,
the advantages are relatively small, unless you are operating in very cold
temperatures, when, in any case you should pre-heat. But, compared to
automotive use, cold starts are relatively infrequent.
Another issue that is often ignored is that these engines can corrode badly
(particularly in the cylinders) if left without being run frequently. Indeed
the official Russian documentation says that the engines should have
short-term conservation if not used every week! From this point of view, as
someone else has remarked, Aeroshell plus is very good because it has
specific anti-corrosion additives.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine |
Advice please,, On the CJ-6A, whats the minimum and max oil quantities do most
of you run your engines comfortably with,, minimum levels before adding a couple
quarts,,, Thanks David
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine |
Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai
say their engines on average burn 1 quart/hr. From my personal experience
on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I have the
standard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of flight
time. So if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land
for fuel. I know on my engine when I put anything over 9-10 Ltrs it
magically disappears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is ..... keep it at 9
Ltrs. In the past, I would have topped to 12 Ltrs on a long trip so I
would not have to carry spare oil but again, the oil just magically
disappeares!!!! So now I top it off at 9 Ltrs. I made an oil storage area
and have 7 quarts of oil and 1 quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to add to my
fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I think I've opened up a discussion on
the value of using fuel additives!!!! Got to mow the runway. I'm outta
here......
On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" <topacedave@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Advice please,, On the CJ-6A, whats the minimum and max oil quantities do
> most of you run your engines comfortably with,, minimum levels before
> adding a couple quarts,,, Thanks David
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458362#458362
>
>
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Try re sending Pappy
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.
com> on behalf of Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: testing
I also didn't get the one you were going to send tomorrow.
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:12 AM, JON <jblake207@comcast.net<mailto:jblake2
07@comcast.net>> wrote:
Pappy, I didn't get your original post, but I did get this one from Parting
ton. JB
________________________________
From: jlpartington@reagan.com<mailto:jlpartington@reagan.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:51:24 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: testing
got this one
-----Original Message-----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com<mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016 7:52am
Subject: Yak-List: testing
Is anyone getting my post? Usually when I post to the list, I get a email
from the list.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine |
Greg, you're funny...but correct about the can of worms on additives.=C2-
I thought for sure Jill's comments this morning about using MMO was going
to spark some kick backs.
=C2-
To the question at hand, Greg is correct in all that he said.=C2- When I
first purchased my CJ I would keep the oil level at 12 on the dip stick (re
minder, it measures liters not quarts) and like Greg's experience, a liter
or two would just disappear.=C2- I've since learned to keep it b/w 9 and
10 on short local flights and start out with 11 on the longer XC flights...
especially in the summer as I want just a little more cooling and lubricat
ion on climb out than required in the winter.=C2- Always carry a few quar
ts with you even if you don't think you'll need it...
=C2-
Cheers,
JB
=C2-
PS.=C2- Greg and Bob... Let's be sure to link up at OSH.=C2- I think we
are the only three ole WOCs in the Red Star community, so I have something
that will bring back lots of good old WOC memories.=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Wrobel" <clouddog22@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 1:33:27 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine
Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai sa
y their engines on average burn=C2- 1 quart/hr.=C2- From my personal ex
perience on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I hav
e the standard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of fligh
t time.=C2- So if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when
I land for fuel. I know=C2- on my engine when I put=C2- anything over
9-10 Ltrs=C2- it magically disappears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is .....
keep it at 9=C2- Ltrs.=C2- In the past, I would have=C2- topped to 1
2 Ltrs on a long trip so I would not have to carry spare oil but again, the
oil just magically disappeares!!!!=C2- So now I top it off at 9 Ltrs.=C2
- I made an oil storage area and have 7 quarts of oil and 1 quart of Marv
el Mystery Oil to add to my fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I think I've
opened up a discussion on the value of using fuel additives!!!!=C2- Got t
o mow the runway. I'm outta here......
On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" < topacedave@gmail.com > wrote:
Advice please,, On the CJ-6A, whats the minimum and max oil quantities do m
ost of you run your engines comfortably with,, minimum levels before adding
a couple quarts,,,=C2- Thanks David
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine |
Opinions count for a New B, don't ask, won't learn, I know its not exactly by the
book question a manual response, I call it a good interpretation from knowledge
and experience you guys have, Thanks, Greg, JB, & Terry ,,,, David
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine |
Try Microlon ... my Yak55 burned less oil after I did that one time treatmen
t.
Typos courtesy of Siri
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 14:33, Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai s
ay their engines on average burn 1 quart/hr. =46rom my personal experience
on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I have the sta
ndard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of flight time. S
o if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land for fuel
. I know on my engine when I put anything over 9-10 Ltrs it magically dis
appears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is ..... keep it at 9 Ltrs. In the past
, I would have topped to 12 Ltrs on a long trip so I would not have to carr
y spare oil but again, the oil just magically disappeares!!!! So now I top i
t off at 9 Ltrs. I made an oil storage area and have 7 quarts of oil and 1 q
uart of Marvel Mystery Oil to add to my fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I t
hink I've opened up a discussion on the value of using fuel additives!!!! G
ot to mow the runway. I'm outta here......
>
>> On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" <topacedave@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Advice please,, On the CJ-6A, whats the minimum and max oil quantities do
most of you run your engines comfortably with,, minimum levels before addin
g a couple quarts,,, Thanks David
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine |
=0Aworks well on your car as well, and your guns=0A-----Original Message---
--=0AFrom: "William Halverson" <william@netpros.net>=0ASent: Tuesday, 19 Ju
ly, 2016 3:05pm=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Oil L
evels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine=0A=0A=0A=0ATry Microlon ... my Yak
55 burned less oil after I did that one time treatment.=0A=0ATypos courtesy
of Siri=0A=0AOn Jul 19, 2016, at 14:33, Greg Wrobel <[ clouddog22@gmail.co
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inions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai say their engines on av
erage burn 1 quart/hr. From my personal experience on my engine that is c
orrect. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I have the standard 40 gal tanks so
I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of flight time. So if I start out at 9
then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land for fuel. I know on my engi
ne when I put anything over 9-10 Ltrs it magically disappears!!! Sooooo,
my contribution is ..... keep it at 9 Ltrs. In the past, I would have to
pped to 12 Ltrs on a long trip so I would not have to carry spare oil but a
gain, the oil just magically disappeares!!!! So now I top it off at 9 Ltrs
. I made an oil storage area and have 7 quarts of oil and 1 quart of Marve
l Mystery Oil to add to my fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I think I've o
pened up a discussion on the value of using fuel additives!!!! Got to mow
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Anyone have a recommendation for a CJ/Yak mechanic in the Houston Texas
area?
Bear
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine |
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Anyone else have any experience with Microlon, particularly in our=C2-rou
nd motors=C2-?=C2- JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Halverson" <william@netpros.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 3:05:53 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine
Try Microlon ... my Yak55 burned less oil after I did that one time treatme
nt.
Typos courtesy of Siri
On Jul 19, 2016, at 14:33, Greg Wrobel < clouddog22@gmail.com > wrote:
Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai sa
y their engines on average burn=C2- 1 quart/hr.=C2- From my personal ex
perience on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I hav
e the standard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of fligh
t time.=C2- So if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when
I land for fuel. I know=C2- on my engine when I put=C2- anything over
9-10 Ltrs=C2- it magically disappears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is .....
keep it at 9=C2- Ltrs.=C2- In the past, I would have=C2- topped to 1
2 Ltrs on a long trip so I would not have to carry spare oil but again, the
oil just magically disappeares!!!!=C2- So now I top it off at 9 Ltrs.=C2
- I made an oil storage area and have 7 quarts of oil and 1 quart of Marv
el Mystery Oil to add to my fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I think I've
opened up a discussion on the value of using fuel additives!!!!=C2- Got t
o mow the runway. I'm outta here......
On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" < topacedave@gmail.com > wrote:
<blockquote>
Advice please,, On the CJ-6A, whats the minimum and max oil quantities do m
ost of you run your engines comfortably with,, minimum levels before adding
a couple quarts,,,=C2- Thanks David
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Richard,
My YAK is in an unheated hangar and I do occasionally fly in temps as
low at 35 degrees. Engine heat is easy at home base, but warming the oil
cooler excessively concerns me as some of the heat will rise up into the
fuel tank area and potentially cause expansion on a full tank of cold fuel
which could lead to venting, putting fuel near the electric heat source.
I've been told that straight weight oils can cause issues when the
thermister opens the first time and the engine tries to push the cold oil to
the engine. Any comments on that? Also, what is your general guideline
temperature on when to switch from 100 to 120 Aeroshell? I really would
prefer to be running the straight weight oils, but have avoided them as I
occasionally take my YAK to Colorado up in the mountains where overnight
temperatures can drop below freezing in the spring and fall. Less leaks
would be nice.
As to Jill's comment on adding MMO to Phillips XC 25W60, I had exhaust
valve issues three years in a row, one resulting in replacing a jug while
running straight XC 25W60. Jill suggested adding MMO to the Phillips and I
haven't had an issue since beginning that practice five years ago. As they
say, you mileage may vary.
Mark Davis
N44YK
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 9:49 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Multigrade oils
These engines were never designed to use oils that are as thin as the
multigrades, which is why they do leak oil when multigrade are used. Also,
the advantages are relatively small, unless you are operating in very cold
temperatures, when, in any case you should pre-heat. But, compared to
automotive use, cold starts are relatively infrequent.
Another issue that is often ignored is that these engines can corrode badly
(particularly in the cylinders) if left without being run frequently. Indeed
the official Russian documentation says that the engines should have
short-term conservation if not used every week! From this point of view, as
someone else has remarked, Aeroshell plus is very good because it has
specific anti-corrosion additives.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine |
I buy it on line from the company:
http://www.microlon.com/aircraft_engine_treatment.php
I've used it in my M14PF and all my cars/trucks. I only used it on the a/
c engine after I saw good result in my cars - quieter engine + 8% MPG imp
rovement.
Testimonial from the CAF here http://www.microlon.com/PDF/ConfedAirForce.
pdf
I used the kit for the Continental R-670 engine:
96 oz for the crankcase and 24 ounces for the fuel
-----Original Message-----
From: L129bs [mailto:l129bs@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 04:41 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine
Where do u buy it and how much do u use?
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------
From: jlpartington@reagan.com
Date:07/19/2016 15:21 (GMT-06:00)
Cc:
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine
works well on your car as well, and your guns
-----Original Message-----
From: "William Halverson" <william@netpros.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016 3:05pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine
Try Microlon ... my Yak55 burned less oil after I did that one time treat
ment.
Typos courtesy of Siri
On Jul 19, 2016, at 14:33, Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com> wrote:
Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai
say their engines on average burn 1 quart/hr. From my personal experience
on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I have the
standard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of flight ti
me. So if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land
for fuel. I know on my engine when I put anything over 9-10 Ltrs it magic
ally disappears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is ..... keep it at 9 Ltrs. In
the past, I would have topped to 12 Ltrs on a long trip so I would not h
ave to carry spare oil but again, the oil just magically disappeares!!!!
So now I top it off at 9 Ltrs. I made an oil storage area and have 7 quar
ts of oil and 1 quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to add to my fuel when I'm on
the road. Oh my, I think I've opened up a discussion on the value of usi
ng fuel additives!!!! Got to mow the runway. I'm outta here......
On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" <topacedave@gmail.com> wrote:
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We are planning a mass arrival into OshKosh on Sunday, July 24th. Meet at GALT
airport just northwest of Chicago (10C). Meet at noon, eat pizza, brief up, and
formation gaggle at 1430 for the Warbird arrival. Call me with confirmation
or questions, thanks,
Dan Booker 2312457798
--------
Daniel Booker
"Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
2312457798
danbooker@hotmail.com
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We are planning a mass arrival into OshKosh on Sunday, July 24th. Meet at GALT
airport just northwest of Chicago (10C). Meet at noon, eat pizza, brief up, and
formation gaggle at 1430 for the Warbird arrival. Call me with confirmation
or questions, thanks,
Dan Booker 2312457798
--------
Daniel Booker
"Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
2312457798
danbooker@hotmail.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458383#458383
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| Subject: | Re: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus |
I have 4 gals of AeroShell 120 (60wt) for sale. Contact me off line,
okanoganlew@gmail.com
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Top Ace <topacedave@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> New CJ owner, looking for knowledgeable advice, this engine has been using
> the Phillips 25w-60, which is still being run on today,,, due to not easy
> access of this oil, I want to change it over to the Shell W100 Plus which
> is stock in my area,, which I can read that many of you are using,,,
> My main question is just draining the oil tank, and cooler, and filter,
> enough to be emptied out of the old W25-60, then filled with the new shell
> W100 and run with it. Or
> more I think of it,,,would it be advisable to run it maybe 5 to 10 hrs,
> and drain it again to clear up any remainder w25-60,,, any suggestions or
> better to tell me what i should do, , would be appreciated, thanks David
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458316#458316
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine |
Check it out on eBay for $489 free shipping.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/AIRCRAFT-FAA-APPROVED-MICROLON-ENGINE-METAL-TREATMENT-
ONLY-ONE-TIME-FOR-LIFE-/131103885841?varId=430269369534
Hank
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 3:16 PM, William Halverson <william@netpros.net> wrote
:
>
> I buy it on line from the company:
>
> http://www.microlon.com/aircraft_engine_treatment.php
>
> I've used it in my M14PF and all my cars/trucks. I only used it on the a/
c engine after I saw good result in my cars - quieter engine + 8% MPG improv
ement.
>
> Testimonial from the CAF here http://www.microlon.com/PDF/ConfedAirForce.p
df
>
> I used the kit for the Continental R-670 engine:
>
> 96 oz for the crankcase and 24 ounces for the fuel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L129bs [mailto:l129bs@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 04:41 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine
>
> Where do u buy it and how much do u use?
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: jlpartington@reagan.com
> Date:07/19/2016 15:21 (GMT-06:00)
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine
>
> works well on your car as well, and your guns
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "William Halverson" <william@netpros.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016 3:05pm
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine
>
> Try Microlon ... my Yak55 burned less oil after I did that one time treatm
ent.
>
> Typos courtesy of Siri
>
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 14:33, Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai s
ay their engines on average burn 1 quart/hr. =46rom my personal experience
on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I have the sta
ndard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of flight time. S
o if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land for fuel
. I know on my engine when I put anything over 9-10 Ltrs it magically dis
appears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is ..... keep it at 9 Ltrs. In the past
, I would have topped to 12 Ltrs on a long trip so I would not have to carr
y spare oil but again, the oil just magically disappeares!!!! So now I top i
t off at 9 Ltrs. I made an oil storage area and have 7 quarts of oil and 1 q
uart of Marvel Mystery Oil to add to my fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I t
hink I've opened up a discussion on the value of using fuel additives!!!! G
ot to mow the runway. I'm outta here......
>
>> On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" <topacedave@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine |
You the Man Jon!!!!!
On Jul 19, 2016 1:56 PM, "JON" <jblake207@comcast.net> wrote:
> Greg, you're funny...but correct about the can of worms on additives. I
> thought for sure Jill's comments this morning about using MMO was going to
> spark some kick backs.
>
> To the question at hand, Greg is correct in all that he said. When I
> first purchased my CJ I would keep the oil level at 12 on the dip stick
> (reminder, it measures liters not quarts) and like Greg's experience, a
> liter or two would just disappear. I've since learned to keep it b/w 9 and
> 10 on short local flights and start out with 11 on the longer XC flights...
> especially in the summer as I want just a little more cooling and
> lubrication on climb out than required in the winter. Always carry a few
> quarts with you even if you don't think you'll need it...
>
> Cheers,
> JB
>
> PS. Greg and Bob... Let's be sure to link up at OSH. I think we are the
> only three ole WOCs in the Red Star community, so I have something that
> will bring back lots of good old WOC memories.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Greg Wrobel" <clouddog22@gmail.com>
> *To: *yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 19, 2016 1:33:27 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine
>
> Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai
> say their engines on average burn 1 quart/hr. From my personal experience
> on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I have the
> standard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of flight
> time. So if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land
> for fuel. I know on my engine when I put anything over 9-10 Ltrs it
> magically disappears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is ..... keep it at 9
> Ltrs. In the past, I would have topped to 12 Ltrs on a long trip so I
> would not have to carry spare oil but again, the oil just magically
> disappeares!!!! So now I top it off at 9 Ltrs. I made an oil storage area
> and have 7 quarts of oil and 1 quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to add to my
> fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I think I've opened up a discussion on
> the value of using fuel additives!!!! Got to mow the runway. I'm outta
> here......
> On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" <topacedave@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Advice please,, On the CJ-6A, whats the minimum and max oil quantities do
>> most of you run your engines comfortably with,, minimum levels before
>> adding a couple quarts,,, Thanks David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458362#458362
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: OshKosh Arrival |
As some of you may know, I had to pull a cylinder off and thus will not be
bring my CJ to OSH this years. HOwever I will bring my flight suit, hint
hint. PITA & I such arrive via 4 wheeler in time for the WB picnic
Sunday. I will stay until following Sunday at which time, I go down to KUES to
fly the Collings B-24 for 3 weeks.
Starting to pack already.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 7/19/2016 5:31:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
danbooker@hotmail.com writes:
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Can it be that JW is the promise?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 7/19/2016 8:53:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
clouddog22@gmail.com writes:
You the Man Jon!!!!!
On Jul 19, 2016 1:56 PM, "JON" <_jblake207@comcast.net_
(mailto:jblake207@comcast.net) > wrote:
Greg, you're funny...but correct about the can of worms on additives. I
thought for sure Jill's comments this morning about using MMO was going to
spark some kick backs.
To the question at hand, Greg is correct in all that he said. When I
first purchased my CJ I would keep the oil level at 12 on the dip stick
(reminder, it measures liters not quarts) and like Greg's experience, a liter
or
two would just disappear. I've since learned to keep it b/w 9 and 10 on
short local flights and start out with 11 on the longer XC flights...
especially in the summer as I want just a little more cooling and lubrication
on
climb out than required in the winter. Always carry a few quarts with you
even if you don't think you'll need it...
Cheers,
JB
PS. Greg and Bob... Let's be sure to link up at OSH. I think we are the
only three ole WOCs in the Red Star community, so I have something that
will bring back lots of good old WOC memories.
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From: "Greg Wrobel" <_clouddog22@gmail.com_ (mailto:clouddog22@gmail.com) >
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 1:33:27 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine
Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai
say their engines on average burn 1 quart/hr. From my personal experience
on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I have the
standard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of flight time.
So if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land for
fuel. I know on my engine when I put anything over 9-10 Ltrs it magically
disappears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is ..... keep it at 9 Ltrs. In the
past, I would have topped to 12 Ltrs on a long trip so I would not have to
carry spare oil but again, the oil just magically disappeares!!!! So now
I top it off at 9 Ltrs. I made an oil storage area and have 7 quarts of
oil and 1 quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to add to my fuel when I'm on the
road. Oh my, I think I've opened up a discussion on the value of using fuel
additives!!!! Got to mow the runway. I'm outta here......
On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" <_topacedave@gmail.com_
(mailto:topacedave@gmail.com) > wrote:
(mailto:topacedave@gmail.com) >
Advice please,, On the CJ-6A, whats the minimum and max oil quantities do
most of you run your engines comfortably with,, minimum levels before
adding a couple quarts,,, Thanks David
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Dan. I'm in Saturday. Mass warbird arrival is Monday. 1502 is our TOT We launch
30 min prior
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Dan I have to get there Sat. Thud.
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| Subject: | Dumb oil line question |
Hello everyone,
Sorry if this is a dumb question. I'm a relatively new Yak 52W owner. I've been
going through the maintenance manuals trying to figure it out but I can't seem
to find it. What is the purpose of the smaller line that comes off the bottom
center of the oil tank to the engine. Is that another return line? I know the
line that comes off the aircraft left side about half way up to the screen down
at the bottom aircraft right on the firewall then goes to the pump but for
the life of me I can't figure out what the line out of the bottom center does.
Unfortunately I am not near the plane to look at it and try to figure it out
and was hoping someone much smarter than I OM this list could enlighten me.
Thanks!
Greg
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