---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/19/16: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:42 AM - Re: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus (Jill Gernetzke) 2. 05:42 AM - Re: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus (Jill Gernetzke) 3. 05:53 AM - testing (cjpilot710@aol.com) 4. 06:52 AM - Re: testing (jlpartington@reagan.com) 5. 06:59 AM - Re: testing (Greg Wrobel) 6. 07:12 AM - Re: testing (JON) 7. 07:17 AM - Re: testing (Ernest Martinez) 8. 08:37 AM - Re: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus (Top Ace) 9. 08:49 AM - Multigrade oils (Richard Goode) 10. 09:20 AM - Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (Top Ace) 11. 11:34 AM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (Greg Wrobel) 12. 11:48 AM - Re: testing (Mike Holoman) 13. 11:51 AM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (JON) 14. 01:01 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (Top Ace) 15. 01:06 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (William Halverson) 16. 01:22 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (jlpartington@reagan.com) 17. 01:41 PM - Mechanic (DaBear@damned.org) 18. 01:42 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (L129bs) 19. 01:43 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (JON) 20. 01:56 PM - Re: Multigrade oils (Mark Davis) 21. 02:18 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (William Halverson) 22. 02:29 PM - OshKosh Arrival (danbooker) 23. 02:30 PM - OshKosh Arrival (danbooker) 24. 02:34 PM - Re: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus (Paul Lewis) 25. 05:15 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (Hank Gibson) 26. 05:52 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (Greg Wrobel) 27. 05:58 PM - Re: OshKosh Arrival (cjpilot710@aol.com) 28. 06:00 PM - Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine (cjpilot710@aol.com) 29. 06:47 PM - Re: OshKosh Arrival (John Casper) 30. 06:49 PM - Re: OshKosh Arrival (John Casper) 31. 07:26 PM - Dumb oil line question (greg.barnhard@gmail.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:50 AM PST US From: "Jill Gernetzke" Subject: Yak-List: RE: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus Royden & Group: "Jill has advised previously on the Yak list that prolonged use of >Phillips >can cause valve sticking with deposit build up (as I remember her to say) >but that can be countered with the prescribed dosage of CamGuard, while >use >Aeroshell doen't seem to result in that "problem"" Royden, you are correct. I had several customers using Camguard. I have zero experience with it. But, MMO in the oil and/or fuel mitigates the sticking valves problem if you are insisting on using the Phillips 25W60 Oil. Not all radial engines experience the problems with the Phillips. We have had numerous Stearman friends using it with no apparent issues. On the other hand, Precisions Engines issued a Bulletin. Here is a link to their article: http://www.precisionengines.com/upload/resources/5.pdf I wanted to add a comment on the +5, -3 commentary, from a while back. Having the "pie plate" wing root fairings does not tell you definitively that you have a "heavy spar" Yak. Those fairings will fit on either Yak. I have several sets of pie plate fairings in stock. The best thing to do is to measure the wing attach fittings and you will know 100%. See some of you at OSH! Jill M-14P, Inc. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:53 AM PST US From: "Jill Gernetzke" Subject: Yak-List: RE: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus Royden & Group: "Jill has advised previously on the Yak list that prolonged use of >Phillips >can cause valve sticking with deposit build up (as I remember her to say) >but that can be countered with the prescribed dosage of CamGuard, while >use >Aeroshell doen't seem to result in that "problem"" Royden, you are correct. I had several customers using Camguard. I have zero experience with it. But, MMO in the oil and/or fuel mitigates the sticking valves problem if you are insisting on using the Phillips 25W60 Oil. Not all radial engines experience the problems with the Phillips. We have had numerous Stearman friends using it with no apparent issues. On the other hand, Precisions Engines issued a Bulletin. Here is a link to their article: http://www.precisionengines.com/upload/resources/5.pdf I wanted to add a comment on the +5, -3 commentary, from a while back. Having the "pie plate" wing root fairings does not tell you definitively that you have a "heavy spar" Yak. Those fairings will fit on either Yak. I have several sets of pie plate fairings in stock. The best thing to do is to measure the wing attach fittings and you will know 100%. See some of you at OSH! Jill M-14P, Inc. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:11 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: testing Is anyone getting my post? Usually when I post to the list, I get a email from the list. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:05 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: testing From: jlpartington@reagan.com =0Agot this one=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: cjpilot710@aol.com=0AS ent: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016 7:52am=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Yak-List: testing=0A=0A=0A=0AIs anyone getting my post? Usually when I pos t to the list, I get a email from the list.=0A =0AJim "Pappy" Goolsby=0A=0A =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:22 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: testing From: Greg Wrobel First one in a long time. On Jul 19, 2016 8:56 AM, wrote: > got this one > > -----Original Message----- > From: cjpilot710@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016 7:52am > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: testing > > Is anyone getting my post? Usually when I post to the list, I get a email > from the list. > > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:34 AM PST US From: JON Subject: Re: Yak-List: testing Pappy, I didn't get your original post, but I did get this one from Parting ton.=C2- JB ----- Original Message ----- From: jlpartington@reagan.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:51:24 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: testing got this one -----Original Message----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016 7:52am Subject: Yak-List: testing Is anyone getting my post?=C2- Usually when I post to the list, I get a e mail from the list. =C2- Jim "Pappy" Goolsby =C2- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:39 AM PST US From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: Yak-List: testing I also didn't get the one you were going to send tomorrow. On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:12 AM, JON wrote: > Pappy, I didn't get your original post, but I did get this one from > Partington. JB > > ------------------------------ > *From: *jlpartington@reagan.com > *To: *yak-list@matronics.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:51:24 AM > *Subject: *RE: Yak-List: testing > > got this one > > -----Original Message----- > From: cjpilot710@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016 7:52am > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: testing > > Is anyone getting my post? Usually when I post to the list, I get a email > from the list. > > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:36 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus From: "Top Ace" Folks,, number one reason to change over to the Shell W100. Due to the Phillips brand is just not always available north of the border,, I can pick up cases at my local Shell dealer here in Montreal, and most FBO stock the W 100, appreciate every ones advice, thanks guys, David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458359#458359 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:47 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: Yak-List: Multigrade oils These engines were never designed to use oils that are as thin as the multigrades, which is why they do leak oil when multigrade are used. Also, the advantages are relatively small, unless you are operating in very cold temperatures, when, in any case you should pre-heat. But, compared to automotive use, cold starts are relatively infrequent. Another issue that is often ignored is that these engines can corrode badly (particularly in the cylinders) if left without being run frequently. Indeed the official Russian documentation says that the engines should have short-term conservation if not used every week! From this point of view, as someone else has remarked, Aeroshell plus is very good because it has specific anti-corrosion additives. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:21 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine From: "Top Ace" Advice please,, On the CJ-6A, whats the minimum and max oil quantities do most of you run your engines comfortably with,, minimum levels before adding a couple quarts,,, Thanks David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458362#458362 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine From: Greg Wrobel Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai say their engines on average burn 1 quart/hr. From my personal experience on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I have the standard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of flight time. So if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land for fuel. I know on my engine when I put anything over 9-10 Ltrs it magically disappears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is ..... keep it at 9 Ltrs. In the past, I would have topped to 12 Ltrs on a long trip so I would not have to carry spare oil but again, the oil just magically disappeares!!!! So now I top it off at 9 Ltrs. I made an oil storage area and have 7 quarts of oil and 1 quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to add to my fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I think I've opened up a discussion on the value of using fuel additives!!!! Got to mow the runway. I'm outta here...... On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" wrote: > > Advice please,, On the CJ-6A, whats the minimum and max oil quantities do > most of you run your engines comfortably with,, minimum levels before > adding a couple quarts,,, Thanks David > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458362#458362 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:12 AM PST US From: Mike Holoman Subject: Re: Yak-List: testing Try re sending Pappy ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Ernest Martinez Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: testing I also didn't get the one you were going to send tomorrow. On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:12 AM, JON > wrote: Pappy, I didn't get your original post, but I did get this one from Parting ton. JB ________________________________ From: jlpartington@reagan.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:51:24 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: testing got this one -----Original Message----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016 7:52am Subject: Yak-List: testing Is anyone getting my post? Usually when I post to the list, I get a email from the list. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:30 AM PST US From: JON Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine Greg, you're funny...but correct about the can of worms on additives.=C2- I thought for sure Jill's comments this morning about using MMO was going to spark some kick backs. =C2- To the question at hand, Greg is correct in all that he said.=C2- When I first purchased my CJ I would keep the oil level at 12 on the dip stick (re minder, it measures liters not quarts) and like Greg's experience, a liter or two would just disappear.=C2- I've since learned to keep it b/w 9 and 10 on short local flights and start out with 11 on the longer XC flights... especially in the summer as I want just a little more cooling and lubricat ion on climb out than required in the winter.=C2- Always carry a few quar ts with you even if you don't think you'll need it... =C2- Cheers, JB =C2- PS.=C2- Greg and Bob... Let's be sure to link up at OSH.=C2- I think we are the only three ole WOCs in the Red Star community, so I have something that will bring back lots of good old WOC memories.=C2- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Wrobel" Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 1:33:27 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai sa y their engines on average burn=C2- 1 quart/hr.=C2- From my personal ex perience on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I hav e the standard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of fligh t time.=C2- So if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land for fuel. I know=C2- on my engine when I put=C2- anything over 9-10 Ltrs=C2- it magically disappears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is ..... keep it at 9=C2- Ltrs.=C2- In the past, I would have=C2- topped to 1 2 Ltrs on a long trip so I would not have to carry spare oil but again, the oil just magically disappeares!!!!=C2- So now I top it off at 9 Ltrs.=C2 - I made an oil storage area and have 7 quarts of oil and 1 quart of Marv el Mystery Oil to add to my fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I think I've opened up a discussion on the value of using fuel additives!!!!=C2- Got t o mow the runway. I'm outta here...... On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" < topacedave@gmail.com > wrote: Advice please,, On the CJ-6A, whats the minimum and max oil quantities do m ost of you run your engines comfortably with,, minimum levels before adding a couple quarts,,,=C2- Thanks David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458362#458362 =========== List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?Yak-List =========== FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com =========== WIKI - errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com =========== b Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =========== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:05 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine From: "Top Ace" Opinions count for a New B, don't ask, won't learn, I know its not exactly by the book question a manual response, I call it a good interpretation from knowledge and experience you guys have, Thanks, Greg, JB, & Terry ,,,, David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458374#458374 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine From: William Halverson Try Microlon ... my Yak55 burned less oil after I did that one time treatmen t. Typos courtesy of Siri > On Jul 19, 2016, at 14:33, Greg Wrobel wrote: > > Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai s ay their engines on average burn 1 quart/hr. =46rom my personal experience on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I have the sta ndard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of flight time. S o if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land for fuel . I know on my engine when I put anything over 9-10 Ltrs it magically dis appears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is ..... keep it at 9 Ltrs. In the past , I would have topped to 12 Ltrs on a long trip so I would not have to carr y spare oil but again, the oil just magically disappeares!!!! So now I top i t off at 9 Ltrs. I made an oil storage area and have 7 quarts of oil and 1 q uart of Marvel Mystery Oil to add to my fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I t hink I've opened up a discussion on the value of using fuel additives!!!! G ot to mow the runway. I'm outta here...... > >> On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" wrote: >> >> Advice please,, On the CJ-6A, whats the minimum and max oil quantities do most of you run your engines comfortably with,, minimum levels before addin g a couple quarts,,, Thanks David >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458362#458362 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Yak-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n >> ========== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine From: jlpartington@reagan.com =0Aworks well on your car as well, and your guns=0A-----Original Message--- --=0AFrom: "William Halverson" =0ASent: Tuesday, 19 Ju ly, 2016 3:05pm=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Oil L evels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine=0A=0A=0A=0ATry Microlon ... my Yak 55 burned less oil after I did that one time treatment.=0A=0ATypos courtesy of Siri=0A=0AOn Jul 19, 2016, at 14:33, Greg Wrobel <[ clouddog22@gmail.co m ]( mailto:clouddog22@gmail.com )> wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0AWell here come the op inions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai say their engines on av erage burn 1 quart/hr. From my personal experience on my engine that is c orrect. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I have the standard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of flight time. So if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land for fuel. I know on my engi ne when I put anything over 9-10 Ltrs it magically disappears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is ..... keep it at 9 Ltrs. In the past, I would have to pped to 12 Ltrs on a long trip so I would not have to carry spare oil but a gain, the oil just magically disappeares!!!! So now I top it off at 9 Ltrs . I made an oil storage area and have 7 quarts of oil and 1 quart of Marve l Mystery Oil to add to my fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I think I've o pened up a discussion on the value of using fuel additives!!!! Got to mow the runway. I'm outta here......=0AOn Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" <[ t opacedave@gmail.com ]( mailto:topacedave@gmail.com )> wrote:=0A--> Yak-List message posted by: "Top Ace" <[ topacedave@gmail.com ]( mailto:topacedave@ gmail.com )>=0A=0A Advice please,, On the CJ-6A, whats the minimum and max oil quantities do most of you run your engines comfortably with,, minimum l evels before adding a couple quarts,,, Thanks David=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Read th is topic online here:=0A=0A[ http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p= 458362#458362 ]( http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458362#45836 2 )=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ============0A List" rel ="noreferrer" target="_blank">[ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak- List ]( http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List )=0A ====== ======0A FORUMS -=0A eferrer" target="_blank">[ http://forums.m atronics.com ]( http://forums.matronics.com )=0A ======== ====0A WIKI -=0A errer" target="_blank">[ http://wiki.matronics.com ]( http://wiki.matronics.com )=0A ============0A b S ite -=0A -Matt Dralle, List Admin.=0A rel="noreferrer" target ="_blank">[ http://www.matronics.com/contribution ]( http://www.matronics .com/contribution )=0A ============0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:54 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Mechanic From: "DaBear@damned.org" Anyone have a recommendation for a CJ/Yak mechanic in the Houston Texas area? Bear ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:25 PM PST US From: L129bs Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine V2hlcmUgZG8gdSBidXkgaXQgYW5kIGhvdyBtdWNoIGRvIHUgdXNlPwoKCgpTZW50IGZyb20gbXkg U2Ftc3VuZyBHYWxheHkgc21hcnRwaG9uZS4KCi0tLS0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIG1lc3NhZ2UgLS0t LS0tLS0KRnJvbTogamxwYXJ0aW5ndG9uQHJlYWdhbi5jb20gCkRhdGU6MDcvMTkvMjAxNiAgMTU6 MjEgIChHTVQtMDY6MDApIApUbzogeWFrLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbSAKQ2M6ICAKU3ViamVj dDogUmU6IFlhay1MaXN0OiBPaWwgTGV2ZWxzICstIG9mZiB0aGUgRGlwIHN0aWNrLCBIUzZBLCBF bmdpbmUgCgp3b3JrcyB3ZWxsIG9uIHlvdXIgY2FyIGFzIHdlbGwsIGFuZCB5b3VyIGd1bnMgLU9y aWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtRnJvbTogIldpbGxpYW0gSGFsdmVyc29uIiA8d2lsbGlhbUBuZXRwcm9z Lm5ldD5TZW50OiBUdWVzZGF5LCAxOSBKdWx5LCAyMDE2IDM6MDVwbVRvOiB5YWstbGlzdEBtYXRy b25pY3MuY29tU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFlhay1MaXN0OiBPaWwgTGV2ZWxzICstIG9mZiB0aGUgRGlw IHN0aWNrLCBIUzZBLCBFbmdpbmUgVHJ5IE1pY3JvbG9uIC4uLiBteSBZYWs1NSBidXJuZWQgbGVz cyBvaWwgYWZ0ZXIgSSBkaWQgdGhhdCBvbmUgdGltZSB0cmVhdG1lbnQuVHlwb3MgY291cnRlc3kg b2YgU2lyaSBPbiBKdWwgMTksIDIwMTYsIGF0IDE0OjMzLCBHcmVnIFdyb2JlbCA8Y2xvdWRkb2cy MkBnbWFpbC5jb20+IHdyb3RlOiBXZWxsIGhlcmUgY29tZSB0aGUgb3BpbmlvbnMuIE1vc3Qgb2Yg dGhlIGd1eXMgSSBrbm93IHRoYXQgZmx5IHRoZSBIb3VzYWkgc2F5IHRoZWlyIGVuZ2luZXMgb24g YXZlcmFnZSBidXJuIDEgcXVhcnQvaHIuIEZyb20gbXkgcGVyc29uYWwgZXhwZXJpZW5jZSBvbiBt eSBlbmdpbmUgdGhhdCBpcyBjb3JyZWN0LiBUaGUgbWluaW11bSBpcyBzZXZlbiAoNykgTHRycy4g SSBoYXZlIHRoZSBzdGFuZGFyZCA0MCBnYWwgdGFua3Mgc28gSSBhbSBsb29raW5nIGZvciBmdWVs IGV2ZXJ5IDIgaG91cnMgb2YgZmxpZ2h0IHRpbWUuIFNvIGlmIEkgc3RhcnQgb3V0IGF0IDkgdGhl biBJJ20gZG93biB0byB0aGUgbWluaW11bSBvZiA3IHdoZW4gSSBsYW5kIGZvciBmdWVsLiBJIGtu b3cgb24gbXkgZW5naW5lIHdoZW4gSSBwdXQgYW55dGhpbmcgb3ZlciA5LTEwIEx0cnMgaXQgbWFn aWNhbGx5IGRpc2FwcGVhcnMhISEgU29vb29vLCBteSBjb250cmlidXRpb24gaXMgLi4uLi4ga2Vl cCBpdCBhdCA5IEx0cnMuIEluIHRoZSBwYXN0LCBJIHdvdWxkIGhhdmUgdG9wcGVkIHRvIDEyIEx0 cnMgb24gYSBsb25nIHRyaXAgc28gSSB3b3VsZCBub3QgaGF2ZSB0byBjYXJyeSBzcGFyZSBvaWwg YnV0IGFnYWluLCB0aGUgb2lsIGp1c3QgbWFnaWNhbGx5IGRpc2FwcGVhcmVzISEhISBTbyBub3cg SSB0b3AgaXQgb2ZmIGF0IDkgTHRycy4gSSBtYWRlIGFuIG9pbCBzdG9yYWdlIGFyZWEgYW5kIGhh dmUgNyBxdWFydHMgb2Ygb2lsIGFuZCAxIHF1YXJ0IG9mIE1hcnZlbCBNeXN0ZXJ5IE9pbCB0byBh ZGQgdG8gbXkgZnVlbCB3aGVuIEknbSBvbiB0aGUgcm9hZC4gT2ggbXksIEkgdGhpbmsgSSd2ZSBv cGVuZWQgdXAgYSBkaXNjdXNzaW9uIG9uIHRoZSB2YWx1ZSBvZiB1c2luZyBmdWVsIGFkZGl0aXZl cyEhISEgR290IHRvIG1vdyB0aGUgcnVud2F5LiBJJ20gb3V0dGEgaGVyZS4uLi4uLiBPbiBKdWwg MTksIDIwMTYgMTE6MjUgQU0sICJUb3AgQWNlIiA8dG9wYWNlZGF2ZUBnbWFpbC5jb20+IHdyb3Rl OiAtPiBZYWstTGlzdCBtZXNzYWdlIHBvc3RlZCBieTogIlRvcCBBY2UiIDx0b3BhY2VkYXZlQGdt YWlsLmNvbT4gQWR2aWNlIHBsZWFzZSwsIE9uIHRoZSBDSi02QSwgd2hhdHMgdGhlIG1pbmltdW0g YW5kIG1heCBvaWwgcXVhbnRpdGllcyBkbyBtb3N0IG9mIHlvdSBydW4geW91ciBlbmdpbmVzIGNv bWZvcnRhYmx5IHdpdGgsLCBtaW5pbXVtIGxldmVscyBiZWZvcmUgYWRkaW5nIGEgY291cGxlIHF1 YXJ0cywsLCBUaGFua3MgRGF2aWQgUmVhZCB0aGlzIHRvcGljIG9ubGluZSBoZXJlOmh0dHA6Ly9m b3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS92aWV3dG9waWMucGhwP3A9NDU4MzYyIzQ1ODM2MiA9IExpc3Qi IHJlbD0ibm9yZWZlcnJlciIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPmh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNv bS9OYXZpZ2F0b3I/WWFrLUxpc3QgPSBGT1JVTVMgLSBlZmVycmVyIiB0YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFuayI+ aHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tID0gV0lLSSAtIGVycmVyIiB0YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFu ayI+aHR0cDovL3dpa2kubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbSA9IGIgU2l0ZSAtIC1NYXR0IERyYWxsZSwgTGlz dCBBZG1pbi4gcmVsPSJub3JlZmVycmVyIiB0YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFuayI+aHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRy b25pY3MuY29tL2NvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbiA9 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:12 PM PST US From: JON Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine Anyone else have any experience with Microlon, particularly in our=C2-rou nd motors=C2-?=C2- JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Halverson" Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 3:05:53 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine Try Microlon ... my Yak55 burned less oil after I did that one time treatme nt. Typos courtesy of Siri On Jul 19, 2016, at 14:33, Greg Wrobel < clouddog22@gmail.com > wrote: Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai sa y their engines on average burn=C2- 1 quart/hr.=C2- From my personal ex perience on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I hav e the standard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of fligh t time.=C2- So if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land for fuel. I know=C2- on my engine when I put=C2- anything over 9-10 Ltrs=C2- it magically disappears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is ..... keep it at 9=C2- Ltrs.=C2- In the past, I would have=C2- topped to 1 2 Ltrs on a long trip so I would not have to carry spare oil but again, the oil just magically disappeares!!!!=C2- So now I top it off at 9 Ltrs.=C2 - I made an oil storage area and have 7 quarts of oil and 1 quart of Marv el Mystery Oil to add to my fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I think I've opened up a discussion on the value of using fuel additives!!!!=C2- Got t o mow the runway. I'm outta here...... On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" < topacedave@gmail.com > wrote:
Advice please,, On the CJ-6A, whats the minimum and max oil quantities do m ost of you run your engines comfortably with,, minimum levels before adding a couple quarts,,,=C2- Thanks David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458362#458362 =========== List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/Naviga tor?Yak-List =========== FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank"> http://forums.matronics.com =========== WIKI - errer" target="_blank"> http://wiki.matronics.com =========== b Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ===========
________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:57 PM PST US From: "Mark Davis" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Multigrade oils Richard, My YAK is in an unheated hangar and I do occasionally fly in temps as low at 35 degrees. Engine heat is easy at home base, but warming the oil cooler excessively concerns me as some of the heat will rise up into the fuel tank area and potentially cause expansion on a full tank of cold fuel which could lead to venting, putting fuel near the electric heat source. I've been told that straight weight oils can cause issues when the thermister opens the first time and the engine tries to push the cold oil to the engine. Any comments on that? Also, what is your general guideline temperature on when to switch from 100 to 120 Aeroshell? I really would prefer to be running the straight weight oils, but have avoided them as I occasionally take my YAK to Colorado up in the mountains where overnight temperatures can drop below freezing in the spring and fall. Less leaks would be nice. As to Jill's comment on adding MMO to Phillips XC 25W60, I had exhaust valve issues three years in a row, one resulting in replacing a jug while running straight XC 25W60. Jill suggested adding MMO to the Phillips and I haven't had an issue since beginning that practice five years ago. As they say, you mileage may vary. Mark Davis N44YK From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 9:49 AM Subject: Yak-List: Multigrade oils These engines were never designed to use oils that are as thin as the multigrades, which is why they do leak oil when multigrade are used. Also, the advantages are relatively small, unless you are operating in very cold temperatures, when, in any case you should pre-heat. But, compared to automotive use, cold starts are relatively infrequent. Another issue that is often ignored is that these engines can corrode badly (particularly in the cylinders) if left without being run frequently. Indeed the official Russian documentation says that the engines should have short-term conservation if not used every week! From this point of view, as someone else has remarked, Aeroshell plus is very good because it has specific anti-corrosion additives. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:26 PM PST US From: "William Halverson" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine I buy it on line from the company: http://www.microlon.com/aircraft_engine_treatment.php I've used it in my M14PF and all my cars/trucks. I only used it on the a/ c engine after I saw good result in my cars - quieter engine + 8% MPG imp rovement. Testimonial from the CAF here http://www.microlon.com/PDF/ConfedAirForce. pdf I used the kit for the Continental R-670 engine: 96 oz for the crankcase and 24 ounces for the fuel -----Original Message----- From: L129bs [mailto:l129bs@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 04:41 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine Where do u buy it and how much do u use? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: jlpartington@reagan.com Date:07/19/2016 15:21 (GMT-06:00) Cc: Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine works well on your car as well, and your guns -----Original Message----- From: "William Halverson" Sent: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016 3:05pm Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine Try Microlon ... my Yak55 burned less oil after I did that one time treat ment. Typos courtesy of Siri On Jul 19, 2016, at 14:33, Greg Wrobel wrote: Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai say their engines on average burn 1 quart/hr. From my personal experience on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I have the standard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of flight ti me. So if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land for fuel. I know on my engine when I put anything over 9-10 Ltrs it magic ally disappears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is ..... keep it at 9 Ltrs. In the past, I would have topped to 12 Ltrs on a long trip so I would not h ave to carry spare oil but again, the oil just magically disappeares!!!! So now I top it off at 9 Ltrs. I made an oil storage area and have 7 quar ts of oil and 1 quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to add to my fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I think I've opened up a discussion on the value of usi ng fuel additives!!!! Got to mow the runway. I'm outta here...... On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" wrote: ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:49 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: OshKosh Arrival From: "danbooker" We are planning a mass arrival into OshKosh on Sunday, July 24th. Meet at GALT airport just northwest of Chicago (10C). Meet at noon, eat pizza, brief up, and formation gaggle at 1430 for the Warbird arrival. Call me with confirmation or questions, thanks, Dan Booker 2312457798 -------- Daniel Booker "Stealth-Eagle Aviation" 2312457798 danbooker@hotmail.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458382#458382 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:30 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: OshKosh Arrival From: "danbooker" We are planning a mass arrival into OshKosh on Sunday, July 24th. Meet at GALT airport just northwest of Chicago (10C). Meet at noon, eat pizza, brief up, and formation gaggle at 1430 for the Warbird arrival. Call me with confirmation or questions, thanks, Dan Booker 2312457798 -------- Daniel Booker "Stealth-Eagle Aviation" 2312457798 danbooker@hotmail.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458383#458383 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:48 PM PST US From: Paul Lewis Subject: Re: Yak-List: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus I have 4 gals of AeroShell 120 (60wt) for sale. Contact me off line, okanoganlew@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Top Ace wrote: > > New CJ owner, looking for knowledgeable advice, this engine has been using > the Phillips 25w-60, which is still being run on today,,, due to not easy > access of this oil, I want to change it over to the Shell W100 Plus which > is stock in my area,, which I can read that many of you are using,,, > My main question is just draining the oil tank, and cooler, and filter, > enough to be emptied out of the old W25-60, then filled with the new shell > W100 and run with it. Or > more I think of it,,,would it be advisable to run it maybe 5 to 10 hrs, > and drain it again to clear up any remainder w25-60,,, any suggestions or > better to tell me what i should do, , would be appreciated, thanks David > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458316#458316 > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:34 PM PST US From: Hank Gibson Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine Check it out on eBay for $489 free shipping. http://m.ebay.com/itm/AIRCRAFT-FAA-APPROVED-MICROLON-ENGINE-METAL-TREATMENT- ONLY-ONE-TIME-FOR-LIFE-/131103885841?varId=430269369534 Hank Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2016, at 3:16 PM, William Halverson wrote : > > I buy it on line from the company: > > http://www.microlon.com/aircraft_engine_treatment.php > > I've used it in my M14PF and all my cars/trucks. I only used it on the a/ c engine after I saw good result in my cars - quieter engine + 8% MPG improv ement. > > Testimonial from the CAF here http://www.microlon.com/PDF/ConfedAirForce.p df > > I used the kit for the Continental R-670 engine: > > 96 oz for the crankcase and 24 ounces for the fuel > > > -----Original Message----- > From: L129bs [mailto:l129bs@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 04:41 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine > > Where do u buy it and how much do u use? > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: jlpartington@reagan.com > Date:07/19/2016 15:21 (GMT-06:00) > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine > > works well on your car as well, and your guns > > -----Original Message----- > From: "William Halverson" > Sent: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016 3:05pm > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine > > Try Microlon ... my Yak55 burned less oil after I did that one time treatm ent. > > Typos courtesy of Siri > > On Jul 19, 2016, at 14:33, Greg Wrobel wrote: > > Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai s ay their engines on average burn 1 quart/hr. =46rom my personal experience on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I have the sta ndard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of flight time. S o if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land for fuel . I know on my engine when I put anything over 9-10 Ltrs it magically dis appears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is ..... keep it at 9 Ltrs. In the past , I would have topped to 12 Ltrs on a long trip so I would not have to carr y spare oil but again, the oil just magically disappeares!!!! So now I top i t off at 9 Ltrs. I made an oil storage area and have 7 quarts of oil and 1 q uart of Marvel Mystery Oil to add to my fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I t hink I've opened up a discussion on the value of using fuel additives!!!! G ot to mow the runway. I'm outta here...... > >> On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" wrote: > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine From: Greg Wrobel You the Man Jon!!!!! On Jul 19, 2016 1:56 PM, "JON" wrote: > Greg, you're funny...but correct about the can of worms on additives. I > thought for sure Jill's comments this morning about using MMO was going to > spark some kick backs. > > To the question at hand, Greg is correct in all that he said. When I > first purchased my CJ I would keep the oil level at 12 on the dip stick > (reminder, it measures liters not quarts) and like Greg's experience, a > liter or two would just disappear. I've since learned to keep it b/w 9 and > 10 on short local flights and start out with 11 on the longer XC flights... > especially in the summer as I want just a little more cooling and > lubrication on climb out than required in the winter. Always carry a few > quarts with you even if you don't think you'll need it... > > Cheers, > JB > > PS. Greg and Bob... Let's be sure to link up at OSH. I think we are the > only three ole WOCs in the Red Star community, so I have something that > will bring back lots of good old WOC memories. > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Greg Wrobel" > *To: *yak-list@matronics.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, July 19, 2016 1:33:27 PM > *Subject: *Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine > > Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai > say their engines on average burn 1 quart/hr. From my personal experience > on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I have the > standard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of flight > time. So if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land > for fuel. I know on my engine when I put anything over 9-10 Ltrs it > magically disappears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is ..... keep it at 9 > Ltrs. In the past, I would have topped to 12 Ltrs on a long trip so I > would not have to carry spare oil but again, the oil just magically > disappeares!!!! So now I top it off at 9 Ltrs. I made an oil storage area > and have 7 quarts of oil and 1 quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to add to my > fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I think I've opened up a discussion on > the value of using fuel additives!!!! Got to mow the runway. I'm outta > here...... > On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" wrote: > >> >> Advice please,, On the CJ-6A, whats the minimum and max oil quantities do >> most of you run your engines comfortably with,, minimum levels before >> adding a couple quarts,,, Thanks David >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458362#458362 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:49 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: OshKosh Arrival As some of you may know, I had to pull a cylinder off and thus will not be bring my CJ to OSH this years. HOwever I will bring my flight suit, hint hint. PITA & I such arrive via 4 wheeler in time for the WB picnic Sunday. I will stay until following Sunday at which time, I go down to KUES to fly the Collings B-24 for 3 weeks. Starting to pack already. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 7/19/2016 5:31:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, danbooker@hotmail.com writes: ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:50 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine Can it be that JW is the promise? Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 7/19/2016 8:53:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clouddog22@gmail.com writes: You the Man Jon!!!!! On Jul 19, 2016 1:56 PM, "JON" <_jblake207@comcast.net_ (mailto:jblake207@comcast.net) > wrote: Greg, you're funny...but correct about the can of worms on additives. I thought for sure Jill's comments this morning about using MMO was going to spark some kick backs. To the question at hand, Greg is correct in all that he said. When I first purchased my CJ I would keep the oil level at 12 on the dip stick (reminder, it measures liters not quarts) and like Greg's experience, a liter or two would just disappear. I've since learned to keep it b/w 9 and 10 on short local flights and start out with 11 on the longer XC flights... especially in the summer as I want just a little more cooling and lubrication on climb out than required in the winter. Always carry a few quarts with you even if you don't think you'll need it... Cheers, JB PS. Greg and Bob... Let's be sure to link up at OSH. I think we are the only three ole WOCs in the Red Star community, so I have something that will bring back lots of good old WOC memories. ____________________________________ From: "Greg Wrobel" <_clouddog22@gmail.com_ (mailto:clouddog22@gmail.com) > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 1:33:27 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Levels +- off the Dip stick, HS6A, Engine Well here come the opinions. Most of the guys I know that fly the Housai say their engines on average burn 1 quart/hr. From my personal experience on my engine that is correct. The minimum is seven (7) Ltrs. I have the standard 40 gal tanks so I am looking for fuel every 2 hours of flight time. So if I start out at 9 then I'm down to the minimum of 7 when I land for fuel. I know on my engine when I put anything over 9-10 Ltrs it magically disappears!!! Sooooo, my contribution is ..... keep it at 9 Ltrs. In the past, I would have topped to 12 Ltrs on a long trip so I would not have to carry spare oil but again, the oil just magically disappeares!!!! So now I top it off at 9 Ltrs. I made an oil storage area and have 7 quarts of oil and 1 quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to add to my fuel when I'm on the road. Oh my, I think I've opened up a discussion on the value of using fuel additives!!!! Got to mow the runway. I'm outta here...... On Jul 19, 2016 11:25 AM, "Top Ace" <_topacedave@gmail.com_ (mailto:topacedave@gmail.com) > wrote: (mailto:topacedave@gmail.com) > Advice please,, On the CJ-6A, whats the minimum and max oil quantities do most of you run your engines comfortably with,, minimum levels before adding a couple quarts,,, Thanks David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458362#458362 ========== List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List ========== FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) ========== WIKI - errer" target="_blank">_http://wiki.matronics.com_ (http://wiki.matronics.com/) ========== b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: OshKosh Arrival From: John Casper Dan. I'm in Saturday. Mass warbird arrival is Monday. 1502 is our TOT We launch 30 min prior Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2016, at 5:30 PM, danbooker wrote: > > > We are planning a mass arrival into OshKosh on Sunday, July 24th. Meet at GALT airport just northwest of Chicago (10C). Meet at noon, eat pizza, brief up, and formation gaggle at 1430 for the Warbird arrival. Call me with confirmation or questions, thanks, > Dan Booker 2312457798 > > -------- > Daniel Booker > "Stealth-Eagle Aviation" > 2312457798 > danbooker@hotmail.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458383#458383 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: OshKosh Arrival From: John Casper Dan I have to get there Sat. Thud. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2016, at 5:30 PM, danbooker wrote: > > > We are planning a mass arrival into OshKosh on Sunday, July 24th. Meet at GALT airport just northwest of Chicago (10C). Meet at noon, eat pizza, brief up, and formation gaggle at 1430 for the Warbird arrival. Call me with confirmation or questions, thanks, > Dan Booker 2312457798 > > -------- > Daniel Booker > "Stealth-Eagle Aviation" > 2312457798 > danbooker@hotmail.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458383#458383 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:58 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Dumb oil line question From: "greg.barnhard@gmail.com" Hello everyone, Sorry if this is a dumb question. I'm a relatively new Yak 52W owner. I've been going through the maintenance manuals trying to figure it out but I can't seem to find it. What is the purpose of the smaller line that comes off the bottom center of the oil tank to the engine. Is that another return line? I know the line that comes off the aircraft left side about half way up to the screen down at the bottom aircraft right on the firewall then goes to the pump but for the life of me I can't figure out what the line out of the bottom center does. Unfortunately I am not near the plane to look at it and try to figure it out and was hoping someone much smarter than I OM this list could enlighten me. Thanks! 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