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Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary has developed a technology to
remanufacture the Russian metal ends of the flexible hoses (I have no
idea, but I would assume very similar, if not identical to the Chinese
ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. In Europe, an item like this
can only be used with an EASA (form1), which is our highest quality
statement for an aviation product, so we have had to go through all the
appropriate testing processes, which include testing at three times
normal working pressures.
It clearly adds a fair bit to the cost on the first time, but then
subsequently is much cheaper.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: 31 July 2016 18:40
Subject: Yak-List: Aeroquip Hose
I was searching the archives for information on using Aeroquip hoses,
and
stumbled upon a post of mine from 2014 asking about the very same thing.
I
have a Flap actuator hose with a pin hole in it, so I figured I'd just
make
my own replacement. In the archives there were concerns of not being
able
to use the Mandrel since it couldn't screw into the Chinese B-Nut.
Attached are some pics of how I addressed that issue. I used a Chinese
male
to male adapter slipped over the AN-4 mandrel, and it worked perfectly.
The
male to male fitting has to be drilled out just a tad to allow the
mandrel
to fit through the hole. Unfortunately after I made my new replacement
hose
I realized it wasn't going to work, since the original hose has a 90
degree
elbow on the actuator end. I tried going straight through the lightening
hole in a rib but it rubbed against the metal right where the sleeve
transitions to hose. The rib would have sawn through the hose in a few
actuations. Unfortunately you can't slip a Chinese B-Nut on the Aeroquip
491 elbow fittings. Otherwise for other applications this works very
well.
I read that there was also some concerns about the 491-4 fittings with
the
Chinese B-Nut. I compared the hole in the AN-4 B-Nut and the Chinese
B-Nut,
and the AN-4 hole was actually larger. The Chinese B-Nut actually has
more
meat for the flare nipple to hold on to.
Inline image 2Inline image 3
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Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
simply no longer available.
In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which is
the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we have
had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which includes
testing at three times normal working pressures.
The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the first
occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroquip hose |
Richard,
This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
Can you site some example prices.
Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
wrote:
> Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
> remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
> experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
> Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
> this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
> simply no longer available.
>
>
> In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which
> is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we
> have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which
> includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
>
>
> The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
> first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>
> Rhodds Farm
>
> Lyonshall
>
> Hereford
>
> HR5 3LW
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Yak 52 Hose assembly Info.xls |
The attached sheet is information Yak-52 hoses that I put together several
years ago. It might be useful to people. We also have some new Russian hose
material made in 2014. As far as I know it is still available as new
manufacture from Russia. We have not bought hay recently as we still have
some 2014 material and we have not had any requests lately for hose sets.
George Coy
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We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate
supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering
kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of
customers to enable them to insert their own hose =93 remember in
Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved
organisation.
In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93 clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete
set for an aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses,
but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to
quote and invoice.
So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends;
importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose;
testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1"
certification, which we need to be able to use them.
But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal
ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a
market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose
ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Richard,
This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
Can you site some example prices.
Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
simply no longer available.
In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1",
which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product,
so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes,
which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroquip hose |
Thanks,
I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses.
Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like
the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the individual
owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive to just buy
the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go through the expense
of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task that the average owner
might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to replace ALL the hoses at
once, and not worry about it again for a long while, I just checked my log
books and they haven't been replaced since the plane was certified back in
2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me a rule of thumb for hoses are 5
years on the shelf and 10 years on the airplane, so I'm well overdue.
Thanks
Ernie
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode <
richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
> We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate supplies
> of the original Russian flexible material without ordering kilometres of
> it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of customers to
> enable them to insert their own hose =93 remember in Europe that an
ything
> like this has been done by an approved organisation.
>
>
> In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93
> clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for an
> aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensive
for small
> fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.
>
>
> So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends;
> importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; testin
g
> it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, whic
h
> we need to be able to use them.
>
>
> But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal ends,
> which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a market. I
> would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but qui
te
> conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>
> Rhodds Farm
>
> Lyonshall
>
> Hereford
>
> HR5 3LW
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ernest Martinez
> *Sent:* 01 August 2016 13:58
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> Richard,
>
>
> This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
>
> Can you site some example prices.
>
>
> Ernie
>
>
> On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> wrote:
>
> Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
> remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
> experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
> Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
> this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
> simply no longer available.
>
>
> In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which
> is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we
> have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which
> includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
>
>
> The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
> first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>
> Rhodds Farm
>
> Lyonshall
>
> Hereford
>
> HR5 3LW
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
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My point is simply that the standard Russian metal ends will not accept
the Aeroquip 303 hose and safely pass a high pressure test. Hence
modifying them so that they will, and of course with the side advantage
that a more conventional facility can change the hose easily in the
future. Of course, this could be completely different with the Chinese
metal ends.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 15:36
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Thanks,
I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses.
Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like
the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the
individual owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive
to just buy the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go
through the expense of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task
that the average owner might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to
replace ALL the hoses at once, and not worry about it again for a long
while, I just checked my log books and they haven't been replaced since
the plane was certified back in 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me
a rule of thumb for hoses are 5 years on the shelf and 10 years on the
airplane, so I'm well overdue.
Thanks
Ernie
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate
supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering
kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of
customers to enable them to insert their own hose =93 remember in
Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved
organisation.
In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93 clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete
set for an aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses,
but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to
quote and invoice.
So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends;
importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose;
testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1"
certification, which we need to be able to use them.
But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal
ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a
market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose
ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Richard,
This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
Can you site some example prices.
Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
simply no longer available.
In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1",
which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product,
so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes,
which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroquip hose |
Ernie,
I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on the
shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.
I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future
supply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never stocked
them.
Best,
Doug
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses.
> Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like
> the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the individual
> owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive to just buy
> the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go through the expen
se
> of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task that the average owner
> might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to replace ALL the hoses at
> once, and not worry about it again for a long while, I just checked my lo
g
> books and they haven't been replaced since the plane was certified back i
n
> 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me a rule of thumb for hoses are 5
> years on the shelf and 10 years on the airplane, so I'm well overdue.
>
> Thanks
> Ernie
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode <
> richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
>
>> We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate supplie
s
>> of the original Russian flexible material without ordering kilometres of
>> it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of customers to
>> enable them to insert their own hose =93 remember in Europe that a
nything
>> like this has been done by an approved organisation.
>>
>>
>>
>> In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93
>> clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for an
>> aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensiv
e for small
>> fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.
>>
>>
>>
>> So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends;
>> importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; testi
ng
>> it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, whi
ch
>> we need to be able to use them.
>>
>>
>>
>> But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal ends
,
>> which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a market. I
>> would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but qu
ite
>> conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>>
>> Rhodds Farm
>>
>> Lyonshall
>>
>> Hereford
>>
>> HR5 3LW
>>
>>
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>>
>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>>
>> www.russianaeros.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ernest Martinez
>> *Sent:* 01 August 2016 13:58
>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
>>
>> Can you site some example prices.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ernie
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com
>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
>> remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
>> experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
>> Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
>> this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
>> simply no longer available.
>>
>>
>>
>> In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", whic
h
>> is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we
>> have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which
>> includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
>>
>>
>>
>> The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
>> first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>>
>> Rhodds Farm
>>
>> Lyonshall
>>
>> Hereford
>>
>> HR5 3LW
>>
>>
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>>
>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>>
>> www.russianaeros.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroquip hose |
Perfect, much easier than making.
Can you quote those out for me?
Thanks
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ernie,
> I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on
> the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.
>
> I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future
> supply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never stocke
d
> them.
>
> Best,
> Doug
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses.
>> Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like
>> the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the individua
l
>> owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive to just buy
>> the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go through the expe
nse
>> of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task that the average owne
r
>> might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to replace ALL the hoses at
>> once, and not worry about it again for a long while, I just checked my l
og
>> books and they haven't been replaced since the plane was certified back
in
>> 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me a rule of thumb for hoses are 5
>> years on the shelf and 10 years on the airplane, so I'm well overdue.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Ernie
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode <
>> richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate
>>> supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering
>>> kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends o
f
>>> customers to enable them to insert their own hose =93 remember in
Europe that
>>> anything like this has been done by an approved organisation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93
>>> clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for a
n
>>> aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensi
ve for small
>>> fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends;
>>> importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; test
ing
>>> it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, wh
ich
>>> we need to be able to use them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal
>>> ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a mark
et.
>>> I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but
>>> quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>>>
>>> Rhodds Farm
>>>
>>> Lyonshall
>>>
>>> Hereford
>>>
>>> HR5 3LW
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>>>
>>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>>>
>>> www.russianaeros.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>>> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ernest Martinez
>>> *Sent:* 01 August 2016 13:58
>>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
>>>
>>> Can you site some example prices.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ernie
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.co
m>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
>>> remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
>>> experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
>>> Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to d
o
>>> this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
>>> simply no longer available.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1",
>>> which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product
, so
>>> we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which
>>> includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
>>> first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>>>
>>> Rhodds Farm
>>>
>>> Lyonshall
>>>
>>> Hereford
>>>
>>> HR5 3LW
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>>>
>>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>>>
>>> www.russianaeros.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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And for the yak guys, The Russian hose is still in production in Moscow.
My partner recently bought a set of hose material for a Yak-52.
George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Perfect, much easier than making.
Can you quote those out for me?
Thanks
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
wrote:
Ernie,
I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on
the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.
I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future
supply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never
stocked them.
Best,
Doug
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks,
I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses.
Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like
the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the
individual owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive
to just buy the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go
through the expense of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task
that the average owner might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to
replace ALL the hoses at once, and not worry about it again for a long
while, I just checked my log books and they haven't been replaced since
the plane was certified back in 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me
a rule of thumb for hoses are 5 years on the shelf and 10 years on the
airplane, so I'm well overdue.
Thanks
Ernie
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate
supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering
kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of
customers to enable them to insert their own hose =93 remember in
Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved
organisation.
In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93 clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete
set for an aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses,
but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to
quote and invoice.
So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends;
importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose;
testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1"
certification, which we need to be able to use them.
But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal
ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a
market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose
ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Richard,
This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
Can you site some example prices.
Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
simply no longer available.
In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1",
which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product,
so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes,
which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
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Do we need to furnish our existing fitting to you for the Russian hose replacement
for yaks? Details please
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George =93 yes it is available, but at fantastic prices, and at
huge minimum lengths!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy
Sent: 01 August 2016 17:50
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
And for the yak guys, The Russian hose is still in production in Moscow.
My partner recently bought a set of hose material for a Yak-52.
George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Perfect, much easier than making.
Can you quote those out for me?
Thanks
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
wrote:
Ernie,
I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on
the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.
I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future
supply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never
stocked them.
Best,
Doug
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks,
I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses.
Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like
the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the
individual owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive
to just buy the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go
through the expense of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task
that the average owner might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to
replace ALL the hoses at once, and not worry about it again for a long
while, I just checked my log books and they haven't been replaced since
the plane was certified back in 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me
a rule of thumb for hoses are 5 years on the shelf and 10 years on the
airplane, so I'm well overdue.
Thanks
Ernie
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate
supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering
kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of
customers to enable them to insert their own hose =93 remember in
Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved
organisation.
In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93 clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete
set for an aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses,
but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to
quote and invoice.
So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends;
importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose;
testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1"
certification, which we need to be able to use them.
But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal
ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a
market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose
ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Richard,
This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
Can you site some example prices.
Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
simply no longer available.
In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1",
which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product,
so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes,
which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Grease, AeroShell # 6 Or, Mobile 28 Question |
Researching what grease you folks are using to grease the gear on the CJ-6,, I
read some have mentioned Areo shell #6,,
I have plenty of Mobile 28 which was I using on Helicopter, and Comanche,, Is
any one using the Mobile 28, is it advisable, or is the Aero shell 6 the way to
go,, for the gear and other places, !!
Thanks, David
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| Subject: | Re: Grease, AeroShell # 6 Or, Mobile 28 Question |
I've always had great success with Aeroshell #5 on all my CJ's landing gear
zerks... Aeroshell #64 (newly named, was 33MS) on the wheel bearings.
Justin Drafts
N280NC, Seattle
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Top Ace <topacedave@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Researching what grease you folks are using to grease the gear on the
> CJ-6,, I read some have mentioned Areo shell #6,,
> I have plenty of Mobile 28 which was I using on Helicopter, and
> Comanche,, Is any one using the Mobile 28, is it advisable, or is the Aero
> shell 6 the way to go,, for the gear and other places, !!
> Thanks, David
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459043#459043
>
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Boris regularly gets small quantities for us. Usually one Yak-52 worth
of hose materials. As I recall it is similar to303 hose prices.
George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
George =93 yes it is available, but at fantastic prices, and at
huge minimum lengths!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy
Sent: 01 August 2016 17:50
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
And for the yak guys, The Russian hose is still in production in Moscow.
My partner recently bought a set of hose material for a Yak-52.
George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Perfect, much easier than making.
Can you quote those out for me?
Thanks
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
wrote:
Ernie,
I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on
the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.
I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future
supply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never
stocked them.
Best,
Doug
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks,
I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses.
Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like
the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the
individual owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive
to just buy the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go
through the expense of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task
that the average owner might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to
replace ALL the hoses at once, and not worry about it again for a long
while, I just checked my log books and they haven't been replaced since
the plane was certified back in 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me
a rule of thumb for hoses are 5 years on the shelf and 10 years on the
airplane, so I'm well overdue.
Thanks
Ernie
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate
supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering
kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of
customers to enable them to insert their own hose =93 remember in
Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved
organisation.
In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93 clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete
set for an aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses,
but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to
quote and invoice.
So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends;
importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose;
testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1"
certification, which we need to be able to use them.
But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal
ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a
market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose
ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Richard,
This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
Can you site some example prices.
Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
simply no longer available.
In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1",
which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product,
so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes,
which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
www.russianaeros.com
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Solid running, M-14P, series 1, engine. Removed from my YAK-52 to install new,
crated engine. Got my new engine when purchasing my Yak two years ago. Decided
to install, even though original engine still running strong. All comps were
in 70's last year's annual. TT=1750, TSOH=1270. Sell with or without accessories.
Make me an offer!
--------
Daniel Booker
"Stealth-Eagle Aviation"
2312457798
danbooker@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Grease, AeroShell # 6 Or, Mobile 28 Question |
Grease:
In 23 years of experience operating and maintaining CJ6's I have found
nothing on the aircraft that is not well served with Aeroshell 5.
To that I could add about 50 years of Harvard's (T6's) etc. In airline
service with DC3's through DC8's for wheel bearings.
For all Hamilton Standard counterweight propellors it was the specified
grease.
At one point many years ago Shell stopped production and replaced it with
Aeroshell 6 as an "economical" replacement for HS cw props. A mistake they
eventually corrected and re-introduced grease 5 which has far better load
and temperature properties.
I'm sure there are other manufacturers products with equal properties but
have never had any need or desire to find them.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Top Ace
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 12:13 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Grease, AeroShell # 6 Or, Mobile 28 Question
Researching what grease you folks are using to grease the gear on the CJ-6,,
I read some have mentioned Areo shell #6,,
I have plenty of Mobile 28 which was I using on Helicopter, and Comanche,,
Is any one using the Mobile 28, is it advisable, or is the Aero shell 6 the
way to go,, for the gear and other places, !!
Thanks, David
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email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
*******************
*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "yak-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
****************************
*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
*****************************************
*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
**********************************************
***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Yak-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
*******************************
If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Yak-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/yak-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Yak-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
*********************
*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Yak-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Yak-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Yak-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Yak-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Yak-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Yak-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Yak-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Yak
*****************************************
**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
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Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
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Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Yak-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Yak-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Yak-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Yak-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
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community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Yak-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Yak-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Yak-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Yak-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Yak-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Yak-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Yak-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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