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Tue 08/16/16


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     1. 12:59 AM - Re: Hard Starting CJ (JL2A)
     2. 04:21 AM - Re: Re: Hard Starting CJ (A. Dennis Savarese)
     3. 04:34 AM - Re: Hard Starting CJ (A. Dennis Savarese)
     4. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Hard Starting CJ (doug sapp)
     5. 11:22 AM - Re: Nose and main gear pressures (tigerbabaluba)
     6. 11:53 AM - Tools Wanted, CJ-6 Housai (Top Ace)
     7. 12:18 PM - Re: Tools Wanted, CJ-6 Housai (A. Dennis Savarese)
     8. 12:28 PM - Re: Tools Wanted, CJ-6 Housai (Top Ace)
     9. 06:00 PM - Re: Hard Starting CJ (Lancer)
    10. 06:12 PM - Re: Engine Question (Lancer)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:59:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Hard Starting CJ
    From: "JL2A" <info@flyingwarbirds.com.au>
    Thanks Dennis, tested the starting coil and very strong spark, both from end of lead and then tested it installed in cap. All good. Plugs are brand new. Will start on the fuel side... primer system first Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459540#459540


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    Time: 04:21:37 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Hard Starting CJ
    That's good. When you check the primer lines, be sure to check the hose from the firewal l to the 90 degree standoff mounted on the #2 cylinder intake tube.=C2- I have seen many of them deteriorated and cracked and actually leaking fuel when the primer is depressed.=C2- VERY dangerous!=C2- Especially with a hot engine.=C2- As you probably know, there is a hard line from the 90 d egree stand-off on the #2 cylinder intake tube to the primer input into the super charger section.=C2- I have seen the male end on the super charger (where the B nut attaches) corroded and blocking the inlet.=C2- So check it out that way. The other thing that many people with hard starting M14's our Huosai engine s don't think about is the position of the rotor finger when the engine is suppose to fire.=C2- As you know, the leading finger on the rotor fires e ach plug under normal operation.=C2- The trailing finger is the starting coil finger.=C2- Using your magneto timing box, connect one side of it to the left mag points just like you would do when you are timing the mag.=C2 - Now pull the prop through until reaching TDC on #4 cylinder.=C2- Next , turn the prop backwards about 30-40 degrees and then bring it forward unt il the timing box buzzes or beeps or whatever your timing box is suppose to do when the points open.=C2- Now look at the position of the leading fin ger on the rotor.=C2- It should be pointing DIRECTLY at the scribe mark o n the flat surface of the mag just past the high voltage stick in the count er clockwise direction.=C2- I'm including a drawing which point out where this is if you having paid attention to it in the past.=C2- I use a 6" m etal ruler and place it between the center of the rotor, over the leading f inger and then look to see if it is 100% in line with the scribe mark.=C2 - If it is not, loosen the 3 screws holding the rotor and position it so the finger is directly in line with the scribe mark.=C2- Tighten the scre ws.=C2- Be sure to look directly down on the ruler or straight edge and n ot from the side to line up the 3 points mentioned. What you are doing is making certain the fingers on the rotor are positione d so when the mag fires the finger is directly in line with the contact poi nt in the magneto distributor cap.=C2- Also another thing to check is the starting coil finger length.=C2- If it looks short and too stubby, it ma y not be close enough to the contact point in the cap.=C2- Any air gap ad ds resistance to the circuit and thus reduces the voltage that ultimately w ill get to the spark plug.=C2- Believe it or not, this simple adjustment is VERY important to proper operation of the magneto for both the starting and running. Dennis From: JL2A <info@flyingwarbirds.com.au> To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:57 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Hard Starting CJ Thanks Dennis, tested the starting coil and very strong spark, both from en d of lead and then tested it installed in cap. All good. Plugs are brand new. Will start on the fuel side... primer system first Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459540#459540 S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. 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    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Hard Starting CJ
    The attachment kicked the email back.=C2- I will send it directly to your email address.Dennis ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> To: "yak-list@matronics.com" <yak-list@matronics.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:20 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Hard Starting CJ That's good. When you check the primer lines, be sure to check the hose from the firewal l to the 90 degree standoff mounted on the #2 cylinder intake tube.=C2- I have seen many of them deteriorated and cracked and actually leaking fuel when the primer is depressed.=C2- VERY dangerous!=C2- Especially with a hot engine.=C2- As you probably know, there is a hard line from the 90 d egree stand-off on the #2 cylinder intake tube to the primer input into the super charger section.=C2- I have seen the male end on the super charger (where the B nut attaches) corroded and blocking the inlet.=C2- So check it out that way. The other thing that many people with hard starting M14's our Huosai engine s don't think about is the position of the rotor finger when the engine is suppose to fire.=C2- As you know, the leading finger on the rotor fires e ach plug under normal operation.=C2- The trailing finger is the starting coil finger.=C2- Using your magneto timing box, connect one side of it to the left mag points just like you would do when you are timing the mag.=C2 - Now pull the prop through until reaching TDC on #4 cylinder.=C2- Next , turn the prop backwards about 30-40 degrees and then bring it forward unt il the timing box buzzes or beeps or whatever your timing box is suppose to do when the points open.=C2- Now look at the position of the leading fin ger on the rotor.=C2- It should be pointing DIRECTLY at the scribe mark o n the flat surface of the mag just past the high voltage stick in the count er clockwise direction.=C2- I'm including a drawing which point out where this is if you having paid attention to it in the past.=C2- I use a 6" m etal ruler and place it between the center of the rotor, over the leading f inger and then look to see if it is 100% in line with the scribe mark.=C2 - If it is not, loosen the 3 screws holding the rotor and position it so the finger is directly in line with the scribe mark.=C2- Tighten the scre ws.=C2- Be sure to look directly down on the ruler or straight edge and n ot from the side to line up the 3 points mentioned. What you are doing is making certain the fingers on the rotor are positione d so when the mag fires the finger is directly in line with the contact poi nt in the magneto distributor cap.=C2- Also another thing to check is the starting coil finger length.=C2- If it looks short and too stubby, it ma y not be close enough to the contact point in the cap.=C2- Any air gap ad ds resistance to the circuit and thus reduces the voltage that ultimately w ill get to the spark plug.=C2- Believe it or not, this simple adjustment is VERY important to proper operation of the magneto for both the starting and running. Dennis From: JL2A <info@flyingwarbirds.com.au> To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:57 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Hard Starting CJ Thanks Dennis, tested the starting coil and very strong spark, both from en d of lead and then tested it installed in cap. All good. Plugs are brand new. Will start on the fuel side... primer system first Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459540#459540 S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.


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    Time: 07:55:07 AM PST US
    From: doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Hard Starting CJ
    Anatole, When it does start does it idle smoothly? On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:57 AM, JL2A <info@flyingwarbirds.com.au> wrote: > > Thanks Dennis, tested the starting coil and very strong spark, both from > end of lead and then tested it installed in cap. All good. > > Plugs are brand new. > > Will start on the fuel side... primer system first > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459540#459540 > >


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    Time: 11:22:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Nose and main gear pressures
    From: "tigerbabaluba" <tigerbabaluba@gmail.com>
    What about YAK 52? Same pressure as CJ ? Thanks -------- Tigerbabaluba from Portugal Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459546#459546


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    Time: 11:53:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Tools Wanted, CJ-6 Housai
    From: "Top Ace" <topacedave@gmail.com>
    In search to purchase a tool set for the CJ,, if anyone has a set to sell, or aware of some one, contact me at topacedave@gmail.com Thanks, David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459548#459548


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    Time: 12:18:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tools Wanted, CJ-6 Housai
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Check with Doug Sapp first. Dennis Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Top Ace <topacedave@gmail.com> wrote: > > > In search to purchase a tool set for the CJ,, if anyone has a set to sell, or aware of some one, contact me at topacedave@gmail.com > Thanks, David > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459548#459548 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:28:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tools Wanted, CJ-6 Housai
    From: "Top Ace" <topacedave@gmail.com>
    Hi Dennis,, I have contacted him,,, he needs to order some,, dm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459552#459552


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    Time: 06:00:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Hard Starting CJ
    From: "Lancer" <lrob4783@bigpond.net.au>
    A couple of things I have found with the HS6 engine re hard starting.... Primer atomizer nozzle blocked.......There are 4 small drillings inside the nozzle which can and do become blocked over time. It's a bitch to remove but could very well be the culprit. I have seen some engines refuse to start without 30 odd pumps of the primer which is a good indicator that the fuel isn't getting through. Ignition timing out.......It's a bit more involved to check and set but if it is out then this could very well be your culprit. I have checked a few engines and every one I have checked have been out.....Some WAY off so it pays to check!! Once the timing was correctly set they are a totally different engine!! Call me if you need to Regards, Lance -------- You can run but you can't hide Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459559#459559


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    Time: 06:12:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Engine Question
    From: "Lancer" <lrob4783@bigpond.net.au>
    The first place I'd start with is to do a compression test or a leakdown test. That will give you a good idea of the sealing ability of the rings/valves etc Following that, pull the cylinder that is showing the least compression/highest leakdown and inspect the piston, rings and cylinder to see if the piston has been galling the cylinder (swollen too much and started scraping the cylinder wall). Next remove the valves and inspect them and inspect the valve seats for burning and to see if they have become loose in the head. There is also the possibility the head could start leaking where it screws onto the cylinder and I'd inspect it for signs of leakage. Repeat in order of next lowest compression/highest leakdown Then it becomes a matter of economics as how to proceed from there. if you need to replace 9 cylinder kits it could very well be a better option to start looking for a replacement but I wouldn't do anything until I checked first. It could be there is only a few damaged cylinders and could be a viable repair option Regards, Lance -------- You can run but you can't hide Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459562#459562




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