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1. 08:23 AM - Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Yak-52 Max Altitude (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
2. 09:45 AM - Flour bombing (Philip Nicholson)
3. 10:05 AM - Loose Trim Tabs - CJ-6 (Rich Langer)
4. 10:09 AM - Re: Aeroquip hose (John B)
5. 10:50 AM - Re: Aeroquip hose (George S. Coy)
6. 10:57 AM - Re: Aeroquip hose (John B)
7. 11:02 AM - Re: Flour bombing (Todd McCutchan)
8. 11:06 AM - Re: Aeroquip hose (George S. Coy)
9. 11:07 AM - Re: Aero quip 491 hose Chinese fittings (John B)
10. 11:17 AM - Re: Aeroquip hose (John B)
11. 11:34 AM - Re: Aeroquip hose (doug sapp)
12. 11:44 AM - Re: Aeroquip hose (George S. Coy)
13. 12:03 PM - Re: Aeroquip hose (John B)
14. 01:06 PM - Re: Aero quip 491 hose Chinese fittings (A. Dennis Savarese)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 Max Altitude |
> I've had my YAK-50 up to 17,500 (on oxygen by the way),
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Kelley
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Yak-List: Yak-52 Max Altitude
Well let's talk about experience. The rules r there to help the less experienced.
One should really watch what they say because somebody will say I can do that
also. Not smart at all. Even if somebody has experience the chamber and knows
their hypoxia symptoms it's dumb to push them. Please use oxygen!!
Thug
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 19, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
wrote:
>
> --> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> I've had my YAK-50 up to 17,500 (on oxygen by the way), just to see if I could
do it. It wasn't climbing very fast, but still had way more to go. I stopped
because I was too darn cold, and I was not IFR equipped.
>
> Of course I've never found a CJ that could keep up with me in any regard, so
there is that. :-) Except for the cockpit heater of course.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Blake
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:01 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Yak-List: Yak-52 Max Altitude
>
> Well, I've had my stock, 285HP CJ to 14,501 feet and she was willing
> to go even higher, but I didn't want to embarrass the YAK52 I was
> flying wing on... JB
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
>
> Dave Jester <wdjester@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> I have been to 14,500 feet in my 52TD Termikas conversion. Sluggish
> on the controls that high. Or maybe I was suffering from hypoxia and
> I was the one sluggish! It was neat when a regional jet passed me 500
> feet below. :)
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2016, at 2:48 AM, Mike Beresford <mike_beresford@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all
>
> I've seen a maximum operating altitude for the Yak-52 quoted as 4,000
m (13,000 ft). Obviously this requires pilot oxygen, but is the altitude limitation
due to operational procedures, or a technical limitation on the aircraft?
>
> Someone suggested to me that the fuel mixture compensation may run out
of travel above the altitude limit. Anyone have some insight into the behaviour
of the engine above 13,000 ft?
>
> Blue skies
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Gents,
thanks very much for the input and the entertaining stories. Will let you
know how it goes!
Phil
C-FEPN
CJ6A
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| Subject: | Loose Trim Tabs - CJ-6 |
Has anybody dealt with loose trim tabs on a CJ? I have replaced the clevis pins,
on both sides of the elevator, with over sized pins but the tabs still have
excessive play. Looking at the parts diagram, more clevis pins are attached to
rods coming out of the bellcrank but to get to them you have to cut the fabric
and install an inspection cover. Has anyone done this and any advice on fixing
this problem? Thanks in advance. Rich
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459761#459761
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroquip hose |
George-
Do you have a source for metric steel B nuts? I need to make some flexible
brake lines for the American master cylinders that will be installed. 12
mm thread diameter. The threads are very fine.
Thank you.
John Bergeson
Phoenix, AZ
Yak 55M
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:35 PM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com> wrote
:
> Boris regularly gets small quantities for us. Usually one Yak-52 worth of
> hose materials. As I recall it is similar to303 hose prices.
>
> George
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@
> matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Goode
> *Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2016 2:03 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> George =93 yes it is available, but at fantastic prices, and at hug
e minimum
> lengths!
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>
> Rhodds Farm
>
> Lyonshall
>
> Hereford
>
> HR5 3LW
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@
> matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Georg
e
> S. Coy
> *Sent:* 01 August 2016 17:50
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> And for the yak guys, The Russian hose is still in production in Moscow.
> My partner recently bought a set of hose material for a Yak-52.
>
> George
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@
> matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Ernes
t
> Martinez
> *Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2016 11:39 AM
> *To:* yak-list
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> Perfect, much easier than making.
>
>
> Can you quote those out for me?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ernie,
>
> I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on
> the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.
>
>
> I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future
> supply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never stocke
d
> them.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses.
> Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like
> the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the individual
> owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive to just buy
> the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go through the expen
se
> of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task that the average owner
> might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to replace ALL the hoses at
> once, and not worry about it again for a long while, I just checked my lo
g
> books and they haven't been replaced since the plane was certified back i
n
> 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me a rule of thumb for hoses are 5
> years on the shelf and 10 years on the airplane, so I'm well overdue.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Ernie
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros
.
> com> wrote:
>
> We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate supplies
> of the original Russian flexible material without ordering kilometres of
> it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of customers to
> enable them to insert their own hose =93 remember in Europe that an
ything
> like this has been done by an approved organisation.
>
>
> In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93
> clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for an
> aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensive
for small
> fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.
>
>
> So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends;
> importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; testin
g
> it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, whic
h
> we need to be able to use them.
>
>
> But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal ends,
> which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a market. I
> would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but qui
te
> conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>
> Rhodds Farm
>
> Lyonshall
>
> Hereford
>
> HR5 3LW
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@
> matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ernest Martinez
> *Sent:* 01 August 2016 13:58
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> Richard,
>
>
> This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
>
> Can you site some example prices.
>
>
> Ernie
>
>
> On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> wrote:
>
> Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
> remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
> experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
> Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
> this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
> simply no longer available.
>
>
> In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which
> is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we
> have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which
> includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
>
>
> The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
> first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>
> Rhodds Farm
>
> Lyonshall
>
> Hereford
>
> HR5 3LW
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
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No. We usually buy some steel fittings and turn them down and weld on
the Russian fitting to make an adapter. George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John B
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
George-
Do you have a source for metric steel B nuts? I need to make some
flexible brake lines for the American master cylinders that will be
installed. 12 mm thread diameter. The threads are very fine.
Thank you.
John Bergeson
Phoenix, AZ
Yak 55M
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:35 PM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com>
wrote:
Boris regularly gets small quantities for us. Usually one Yak-52 worth
of hose materials. As I recall it is similar to303 hose prices.
George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
George =93 yes it is available, but at fantastic prices, and at
huge minimum lengths!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy
Sent: 01 August 2016 17:50
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
And for the yak guys, The Russian hose is still in production in Moscow.
My partner recently bought a set of hose material for a Yak-52.
George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Perfect, much easier than making.
Can you quote those out for me?
Thanks
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
wrote:
Ernie,
I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on
the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.
I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future
supply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never
stocked them.
Best,
Doug
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks,
I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses.
Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like
the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the
individual owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive
to just buy the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go
through the expense of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task
that the average owner might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to
replace ALL the hoses at once, and not worry about it again for a long
while, I just checked my log books and they haven't been replaced since
the plane was certified back in 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me
a rule of thumb for hoses are 5 years on the shelf and 10 years on the
airplane, so I'm well overdue.
Thanks
Ernie
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate
supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering
kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of
customers to enable them to insert their own hose =93 remember in
Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved
organisation.
In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93 clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete
set for an aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses,
but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to
quote and invoice.
So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends;
importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose;
testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1"
certification, which we need to be able to use them.
But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal
ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a
market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose
ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Richard,
This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
Can you site some example prices.
Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
simply no longer available.
In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1",
which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product,
so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes,
which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroquip hose |
Goodness, that won't work. These B nuts are aluminum.
Now what?
john b
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:49 AM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com>
wrote:
> No. We usually buy some steel fittings and turn them down and weld on the
> Russian fitting to make an adapter. George
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@
> matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John B
> *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2016 1:08 PM
> *To:* Yak-List Digest Server
>
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> George-
>
> Do you have a source for metric steel B nuts? I need to make some
> flexible brake lines for the American master cylinders that will be
> installed. 12 mm thread diameter. The threads are very fine.
>
> Thank you.
>
> John Bergeson
>
> Phoenix, AZ
>
> Yak 55M
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:35 PM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Boris regularly gets small quantities for us. Usually one Yak-52 worth of
> hose materials. As I recall it is similar to303 hose prices.
>
> George
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@
> matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Goode
> *Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2016 2:03 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> George =93 yes it is available, but at fantastic prices, and at hug
e minimum
> lengths!
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>
> Rhodds Farm
>
> Lyonshall
>
> Hereford
>
> HR5 3LW
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@
> matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Georg
e
> S. Coy
> *Sent:* 01 August 2016 17:50
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> And for the yak guys, The Russian hose is still in production in Moscow.
> My partner recently bought a set of hose material for a Yak-52.
>
> George
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@
> matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Ernes
t
> Martinez
> *Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2016 11:39 AM
> *To:* yak-list
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> Perfect, much easier than making.
>
>
> Can you quote those out for me?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ernie,
>
> I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on
> the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.
>
>
> I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future
> supply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never stocke
d
> them.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses.
> Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like
> the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the individual
> owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive to just buy
> the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go through the expen
se
> of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task that the average owner
> might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to replace ALL the hoses at
> once, and not worry about it again for a long while, I just checked my lo
g
> books and they haven't been replaced since the plane was certified back i
n
> 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me a rule of thumb for hoses are 5
> years on the shelf and 10 years on the airplane, so I'm well overdue.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Ernie
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros
.
> com> wrote:
>
> We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate supplies
> of the original Russian flexible material without ordering kilometres of
> it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of customers to
> enable them to insert their own hose =93 remember in Europe that an
ything
> like this has been done by an approved organisation.
>
>
> In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93
> clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for an
> aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensive
for small
> fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.
>
>
> So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends;
> importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; testin
g
> it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, whic
h
> we need to be able to use them.
>
>
> But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal ends,
> which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a market. I
> would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but qui
te
> conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>
> Rhodds Farm
>
> Lyonshall
>
> Hereford
>
> HR5 3LW
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@
> matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ernest Martinez
> *Sent:* 01 August 2016 13:58
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> Richard,
>
>
> This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
>
> Can you site some example prices.
>
>
> Ernie
>
>
> On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> wrote:
>
> Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
> remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
> experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
> Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
> this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
> simply no longer available.
>
>
> In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which
> is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we
> have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which
> includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
>
>
> The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
> first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>
> Rhodds Farm
>
> Lyonshall
>
> Hereford
>
> HR5 3LW
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
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Best advice I can give is:
- set a hard deck; don't let anyone go below and ensure that there is someon
e on the ground that can call them off/abort the run. 300' is the normal. Th
at's bottom of dive, not release height.
- don't let them get slow. Low and slow is no place to be. Guys think flying
at stall speed with everything hanging out helps; it doesn't.
- limit dive angles. 10 degrees should be the max. Again; have someone that c
an abort the run of they see something hinky.
Todd McCutchan
T-34A & Yak-50
Cell: (260) 402-1740
E-mail: todd@fastaircraft.com
www.fastaircraft.com
> On Aug 22, 2016, at 9:43 AM, Philip Nicholson <pednicholson@gmail.com> wro
te:
>
> Gents,
> thanks very much for the input and the entertaining stories. Will let you k
now how it goes!
> Phil
> C-FEPN
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I would use a U.S. hose assembly and adapt at the brake end
George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John B
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Goodness, that won't work. These B nuts are aluminum.
Now what?
john b
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:49 AM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com>
wrote:
. No. We usually buy some steel fittings and turn them down and weld on
the Russian fitting to make an adapter. George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John B
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
George-
Do you have a source for metric steel B nuts? I need to make some
flexible brake lines for the American master cylinders that will be
installed. 12 mm thread diameter. The threads are very fine.
Thank you.
John Bergeson
Phoenix, AZ
Yak 55M
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:35 PM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com>
wrote:
Boris regularly gets small quantities for us. Usually one Yak-52 worth
of hose materials. As I recall it is similar to303 hose prices.
George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
George =93 yes it is available, but at fantastic prices, and at
huge minimum lengths!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy
Sent: 01 August 2016 17:50
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
And for the yak guys, The Russian hose is still in production in Moscow.
My partner recently bought a set of hose material for a Yak-52.
George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Perfect, much easier than making.
Can you quote those out for me?
Thanks
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
wrote:
Ernie,
I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on
the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.
I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future
supply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never
stocked them.
Best,
Doug
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks,
I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses.
Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like
the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the
individual owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive
to just buy the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go
through the expense of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task
that the average owner might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to
replace ALL the hoses at once, and not worry about it again for a long
while, I just checked my log books and they haven't been replaced since
the plane was certified back in 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me
a rule of thumb for hoses are 5 years on the shelf and 10 years on the
airplane, so I'm well overdue.
Thanks
Ernie
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate
supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering
kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of
customers to enable them to insert their own hose =93 remember in
Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved
organisation.
In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93 clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete
set for an aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses,
but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to
quote and invoice.
So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends;
importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose;
testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1"
certification, which we need to be able to use them.
But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal
ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a
market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose
ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Richard,
This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
Can you site some example prices.
Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
simply no longer available.
In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1",
which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product,
so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes,
which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aero quip 491 hose Chinese fittings |
Dennis-
Do you have a source for steel metric B nuts? 12 mm thread. The Russian
master cylinders need to be replaced with American units from Grove
Aircraft. Two special hoses need to me made. One end will have a standard
Aeroquip end, and the other will have a metric B nut to fit the fitting on
the bulkhead in front of the rudder pedals.
Any ideas?
Thank you.
John Bergeson
Phoenix, AZ
On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 5:30 PM, A. Dennis Savarese <
dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> No it won't because the 491-12D fitting is designed to be used with SAE
> size hose material. BUT if you use the Aeroquip 303 hose for the 12D
> fitting, you can swap the 491 -12D nut with the metric nut from the old
> metric fitting.
> The Chinese Jose is metric.
> Dennis
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 8, 2016, at 8:26 AM, JL2A <info@flyingwarbirds.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Do the aeroquip 491-12D fittings fit on the Chinese hose?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454722#454722
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroquip hose |
George-
Yes, I'd do that if I could. The Aeroquip hoses work fine, and they adapt
well to the un-removable fitting on the bulkhead, if I can find a steel
metric B nut.
The fitting is riveted onto the bulkhead in the Yak 55. One can't get into
there to make any changes.
john b
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 11:06 AM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I would use a U.S. hose assembly and adapt at the brake end
>
> George
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@
> matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John B
> *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2016 1:56 PM
> *To:* Yak-List Digest Server
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> Goodness, that won't work. These B nuts are aluminum.
>
> Now what?
>
> john b
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:49 AM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> . No. We usually buy some steel fittings and turn them down and weld on
> the Russian fitting to make an adapter. George
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@
> matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John B
> *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2016 1:08 PM
> *To:* Yak-List Digest Server
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> George-
>
> Do you have a source for metric steel B nuts? I need to make some
> flexible brake lines for the American master cylinders that will be
> installed. 12 mm thread diameter. The threads are very fine.
>
> Thank you.
>
> John Bergeson
>
> Phoenix, AZ
>
> Yak 55M
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:35 PM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Boris regularly gets small quantities for us. Usually one Yak-52 worth of
> hose materials. As I recall it is similar to303 hose prices.
>
> George
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@
> matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Goode
> *Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2016 2:03 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> George =93 yes it is available, but at fantastic prices, and at hug
e minimum
> lengths!
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>
> Rhodds Farm
>
> Lyonshall
>
> Hereford
>
> HR5 3LW
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@
> matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Georg
e
> S. Coy
> *Sent:* 01 August 2016 17:50
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> And for the yak guys, The Russian hose is still in production in Moscow.
> My partner recently bought a set of hose material for a Yak-52.
>
> George
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@
> matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Ernes
t
> Martinez
> *Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2016 11:39 AM
> *To:* yak-list
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> Perfect, much easier than making.
>
>
> Can you quote those out for me?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ernie,
>
> I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on
> the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.
>
>
> I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future
> supply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never stocke
d
> them.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses.
> Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like
> the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the individual
> owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive to just buy
> the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go through the expen
se
> of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task that the average owner
> might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to replace ALL the hoses at
> once, and not worry about it again for a long while, I just checked my lo
g
> books and they haven't been replaced since the plane was certified back i
n
> 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me a rule of thumb for hoses are 5
> years on the shelf and 10 years on the airplane, so I'm well overdue.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Ernie
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros
.
> com> wrote:
>
> We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate supplies
> of the original Russian flexible material without ordering kilometres of
> it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of customers to
> enable them to insert their own hose =93 remember in Europe that an
ything
> like this has been done by an approved organisation.
>
>
> In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93
> clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for an
> aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensive
for small
> fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.
>
>
> So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends;
> importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; testin
g
> it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, whic
h
> we need to be able to use them.
>
>
> But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal ends,
> which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a market. I
> would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but qui
te
> conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>
> Rhodds Farm
>
> Lyonshall
>
> Hereford
>
> HR5 3LW
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@
> matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ernest Martinez
> *Sent:* 01 August 2016 13:58
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
>
> Richard,
>
>
> This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
>
> Can you site some example prices.
>
>
> Ernie
>
>
> On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> wrote:
>
> Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
> remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
> experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
> Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
> this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
> simply no longer available.
>
>
> In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which
> is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we
> have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which
> includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
>
>
> The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
> first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>
> Rhodds Farm
>
> Lyonshall
>
> Hereford
>
> HR5 3LW
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroquip hose |
Send me the male fitting and I'll try to match it up for you, that's the
best I can do without a part number.
Doug
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:56 AM, John B <jbsoar@gmail.com> wrote:
> Goodness, that won't work. These B nuts are aluminum.
> Now what?
> john b
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:49 AM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> No. We usually buy some steel fittings and turn them down and weld on th
e
>> Russian fitting to make an adapter. George
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John B
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2016 1:08 PM
>> *To:* Yak-List Digest Server
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>>
>>
>>
>> George-
>>
>> Do you have a source for metric steel B nuts? I need to make some
>> flexible brake lines for the American master cylinders that will be
>> installed. 12 mm thread diameter. The threads are very fine.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> John Bergeson
>>
>> Phoenix, AZ
>>
>> Yak 55M
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:35 PM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Boris regularly gets small quantities for us. Usually one Yak-52 worth o
f
>> hose materials. As I recall it is similar to303 hose prices.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Goode
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2016 2:03 PM
>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>>
>>
>>
>> George =93 yes it is available, but at fantastic prices, and at hu
ge
>> minimum lengths!
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>>
>> Rhodds Farm
>>
>> Lyonshall
>>
>> Hereford
>>
>> HR5 3LW
>>
>>
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>>
>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>>
>> www.russianaeros.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [
>> mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *George S. Coy
>> *Sent:* 01 August 2016 17:50
>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>>
>>
>>
>> And for the yak guys, The Russian hose is still in production in Moscow.
>> My partner recently bought a set of hose material for a Yak-52.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [
>> mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Ernest Martinez
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2016 11:39 AM
>> *To:* yak-list
>> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>>
>>
>>
>> Perfect, much easier than making.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you quote those out for me?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote
:
>>
>> Ernie,
>>
>> I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on
>> the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.
>>
>>
>>
>> I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future
>> supply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never stock
ed
>> them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses.
>> Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like
>> the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the individua
l
>> owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive to just buy
>> the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go through the expe
nse
>> of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task that the average owne
r
>> might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to replace ALL the hoses at
>> once, and not worry about it again for a long while, I just checked my l
og
>> books and they haven't been replaced since the plane was certified back
in
>> 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me a rule of thumb for hoses are 5
>> years on the shelf and 10 years on the airplane, so I'm well overdue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ernie
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode <
>> richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
>>
>> We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate supplie
s
>> of the original Russian flexible material without ordering kilometres of
>> it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of customers to
>> enable them to insert their own hose =93 remember in Europe that a
nything
>> like this has been done by an approved organisation.
>>
>>
>>
>> In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93
>> clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for an
>> aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensiv
e for small
>> fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.
>>
>>
>>
>> So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends;
>> importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; testi
ng
>> it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, whi
ch
>> we need to be able to use them.
>>
>>
>>
>> But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal ends
,
>> which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a market. I
>> would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but qu
ite
>> conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>>
>> Rhodds Farm
>>
>> Lyonshall
>>
>> Hereford
>>
>> HR5 3LW
>>
>>
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>>
>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>>
>> www.russianaeros.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ernest Martinez
>> *Sent:* 01 August 2016 13:58
>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
>>
>> Can you site some example prices.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ernie
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com
>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
>> remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
>> experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
>> Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
>> this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
>> simply no longer available.
>>
>>
>>
>> In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", whic
h
>> is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we
>> have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which
>> includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
>>
>>
>>
>> The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
>> first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>>
>> Rhodds Farm
>>
>> Lyonshall
>>
>> Hereford
>>
>> HR5 3LW
>>
>>
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>>
>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>>
>> www.russianaeros.com
>>
>>
>>
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Ahh, then you must have a 12MM fitting from your old hose that you can
reuse. We may have one around on an old hose.
George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John B
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
George-
Yes, I'd do that if I could. The Aeroquip hoses work fine, and they
adapt well to the un-removable fitting on the bulkhead, if I can find a
steel metric B nut.
The fitting is riveted onto the bulkhead in the Yak 55. One can't get
into there to make any changes.
john b
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 11:06 AM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com>
wrote:
I would use a U.S. hose assembly and adapt at the brake end
George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John B
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Goodness, that won't work. These B nuts are aluminum.
Now what?
john b
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:49 AM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com>
wrote:
. No. We usually buy some steel fittings and turn them down and weld on
the Russian fitting to make an adapter. George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John B
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
George-
Do you have a source for metric steel B nuts? I need to make some
flexible brake lines for the American master cylinders that will be
installed. 12 mm thread diameter. The threads are very fine.
Thank you.
John Bergeson
Phoenix, AZ
Yak 55M
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:35 PM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com>
wrote:
Boris regularly gets small quantities for us. Usually one Yak-52 worth
of hose materials. As I recall it is similar to303 hose prices.
George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
George =93 yes it is available, but at fantastic prices, and at
huge minimum lengths!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy
Sent: 01 August 2016 17:50
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
And for the yak guys, The Russian hose is still in production in Moscow.
My partner recently bought a set of hose material for a Yak-52.
George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Perfect, much easier than making.
Can you quote those out for me?
Thanks
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
wrote:
Ernie,
I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on
the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.
I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future
supply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never
stocked them.
Best,
Doug
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks,
I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses.
Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like
the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the
individual owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive
to just buy the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go
through the expense of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task
that the average owner might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to
replace ALL the hoses at once, and not worry about it again for a long
while, I just checked my log books and they haven't been replaced since
the plane was certified back in 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me
a rule of thumb for hoses are 5 years on the shelf and 10 years on the
airplane, so I'm well overdue.
Thanks
Ernie
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate
supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering
kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of
customers to enable them to insert their own hose =93 remember in
Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved
organisation.
In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93 clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete
set for an aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses,
but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to
quote and invoice.
So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends;
importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose;
testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1"
certification, which we need to be able to use them.
But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal
ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a
market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose
ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
Richard,
This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
Can you site some example prices.
Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to
remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no
experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the
Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do
this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is
simply no longer available.
In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1",
which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product,
so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes,
which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the
first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120>
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129>
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroquip hose |
The old hose is actually a hard aluminum brake line. The B nut is aluminum.
So, unfortunately, I don't have a fitting to rob a part from.
Yes, if you have two steel B nuts on an old hose, I'd love to buy it. I can
measure the thread pitch as well. The threads are very fine.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:43 AM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ahh, then you must have a 12MM fitting from your old hose that you can reu
se. We may have one around on an old hose.
> George
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of John B
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 2:17 PM
> To: Yak-List Digest Server
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
> George-
> Yes, I'd do that if I could. The Aeroquip hoses work fine, and they adapt
well to the un-removable fitting on the bulkhead, if I can find a steel met
ric B nut.
> The fitting is riveted onto the bulkhead in the Yak 55. One can't get int
o there to make any changes.
> john b
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 11:06 AM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com> wro
te:
> I would use a U.S. hose assembly and adapt at the brake end
> George
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of John B
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 1:56 PM
> To: Yak-List Digest Server
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
> Goodness, that won't work. These B nuts are aluminum.
> Now what?
> john b
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:49 AM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com> wro
te:
> . No. We usually buy some steel fittings and turn them down and weld on th
e Russian fitting to make an adapter. George
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of John B
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 1:08 PM
> To: Yak-List Digest Server
>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
> George-
> Do you have a source for metric steel B nuts? I need to make some flexibl
e brake lines for the American master cylinders that will be installed. 12 m
m thread diameter. The threads are very fine.
> Thank you.
> John Bergeson
> Phoenix, AZ
> Yak 55M
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:35 PM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com> wrot
e:
> Boris regularly gets small quantities for us. Usually one Yak-52 worth of h
ose materials. As I recall it is similar to303 hose prices.
> George
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 2:03 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
> George =93 yes it is available, but at fantastic prices, and at huge
minimum lengths!
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy
> Sent: 01 August 2016 17:50
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
> And for the yak guys, The Russian hose is still in production in Moscow. M
y partner recently bought a set of hose material for a Yak-52.
> George
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 11:39 AM
> To: yak-list
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
> Perfect, much easier than making.
>
> Can you quote those out for me?
>
> Thanks
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ernie,
> I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on th
e shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.
>
> I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future s
upply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never stocked th
em.
>
> Best,
> Doug
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote
:
> Thanks,
>
> I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses. Un
fortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like the o
nes requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the individual owner, i
t's just easier and probably not much more expensive to just buy the hoses i
f they are readily available, rather than go through the expense of buying t
he tooling to be able to perform a task that the average owner might do once
every 10 years. I'm just going to replace ALL the hoses at once, and not wo
rry about it again for a long while, I just checked my log books and they ha
ven't been replaced since the plane was certified back in 2000. A mechanic f
riend of mine told me a rule of thumb for hoses are 5 years on the shelf and
10 years on the airplane, so I'm well overdue.
>
> Thanks
> Ernie
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.
com> wrote:
> We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate supplies o
f the original Russian flexible material without ordering kilometres of it. I
had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of customers to enable th
em to insert their own hose =93 remember in Europe that anything like t
his has been done by an approved organisation.
>
> In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100)
=93 clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for an
aircraft =93 and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensive f
or small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.
>
> So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends; importi
ng Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; testing it; putt
ing on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, which we need t
o be able to use them.
>
> But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal ends, w
hich would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a market. I would a
lso point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but quite conceiv
ably the Chinese ends are identical.
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
> Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip hose
>
> Richard,
>
> This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
> Can you site some example prices.
>
> Ernie
>
> On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> w
rote:
> Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to re
manufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no experience, b
ut I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the Chinese ones) in or
der to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do this to overcome the p
roblem that the original Russian hose material is simply no longer available
.
>
> In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which i
s the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we have
had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which includes tes
ting at three times normal working pressures.
>
> The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the fir
st occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aero quip 491 hose Chinese fittings |
Sorry. No I don't.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 22, 2016, at 2:07 PM, John B <jbsoar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dennis-
> Do you have a source for steel metric B nuts? 12 mm thread. The Russian m
aster cylinders need to be replaced with American units from Grove Aircraft.
Two special hoses need to me made. One end will have a standard Aeroquip e
nd, and the other will have a metric B nut to fit the fitting on the bulkhea
d in front of the rudder pedals.
> Any ideas?
> Thank you.
> John Bergeson
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 5:30 PM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsou
th.net> wrote:
outh.net>
>>
>> No it won't because the 491-12D fitting is designed to be used with SAE s
ize hose material. BUT if you use the Aeroquip 303 hose for the 12D fitting,
you can swap the 491 -12D nut with the metric nut from the old metric fitti
ng.
>> The Chinese Jose is metric.
>> Dennis
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Apr 8, 2016, at 8:26 AM, JL2A <info@flyingwarbirds.com.au> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Do the aeroquip 491-12D fittings fit on the Chinese hose?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454722#454722
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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