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1. 06:00 AM - Re: Upgrading (DaBear@damned.org)
2. 06:19 AM - Re: Upgrading (Ernest Martinez)
3. 08:27 AM - Re: Upgrading (Greg Wrobel)
4. 09:44 AM - Re: Upgrading (Walter Lannon)
5. 09:47 AM - Re: Upgrading (DaBear@damned.org)
6. 11:26 AM - Re: Upgrading (Richard Kelley)
7. 11:00 PM - Re: Upgrading (Joe Enzminger)
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I'd recommend the following
Front Cockpit
2 10" Skyview displays or 2 10" inch and 1 7" displays
Dynon AutoPilot panel,
Dynon button panel,
Dynon Radio panel,
and Dynon intercom
Rear Cockpit
Dynon 10" display or 10"inch display and 7" display
Other system components:
Dynon Transponder
2 Dynon ADHARS
2 Dynon Engine Monitor units
2 Dynon Auto Pilot Servos
1 ADSB unit
1 Dynon GPS unit
This gives you EFIS with backup ADHARS, 2 axis auto pilot, 3+ screens
with 1 hour backup on the system should you lose electrical power and
after your aircraft battery is dead. It gives you full ADSB for
weather, etc. and full 2020 Next-Gen integration. It comes with
synthetic vision, Maps, etc. I flew the system in my CJ for over 3+
years and it was fantastic. You couldn't beat the cost/value of the
system with anyone else.
Bear
On 8/28/2016 1:54 PM, Joe Enzminger wrote:
>
> I am thinking about doing a major upgrade to my CJ. It's one of the 2001 airframes
and has about 350 hours on the airframe and stock 285 engine. I also have
a 1960's era CJ (owned by a friend of mine) with a 900 hour engine that needs
some love.
>
> I'm thinking about upgrading mine to an M14 and modernizing the panels. I'd
move my engine over to the other CJ and then have a 900 engine for either spares
or to send to overhaul.
>
> Having said that, who is doing conversions these days, what do they run (engine
+ installation)?
>
> Also, what's on the wishlist for avionics, etc? I'm thinking an EDM-900 + either
Garmin or Avidyne glass up front. While budget is important, what goodies
would you install if you were starting with a clean slate?
>
> What about M14 prop options (price and performance).
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459987#459987
>
>
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Buy a Bonanza.
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:58 AM, DaBear@damned.org <dabear@damned.org>
wrote:
>
> I'd recommend the following
>
> Front Cockpit
>
> 2 10" Skyview displays or 2 10" inch and 1 7" displays
>
> Dynon AutoPilot panel,
>
> Dynon button panel,
>
> Dynon Radio panel,
>
> and Dynon intercom
>
>
> Rear Cockpit
>
> Dynon 10" display or 10"inch display and 7" display
>
>
> Other system components:
>
> Dynon Transponder
>
> 2 Dynon ADHARS
>
> 2 Dynon Engine Monitor units
>
> 2 Dynon Auto Pilot Servos
>
> 1 ADSB unit
>
> 1 Dynon GPS unit
>
> This gives you EFIS with backup ADHARS, 2 axis auto pilot, 3+ screens with
> 1 hour backup on the system should you lose electrical power and after your
> aircraft battery is dead. It gives you full ADSB for weather, etc. and
> full 2020 Next-Gen integration. It comes with synthetic vision, Maps,
> etc. I flew the system in my CJ for over 3+ years and it was fantastic.
> You couldn't beat the cost/value of the system with anyone else.
>
>
> Bear
>
>
> On 8/28/2016 1:54 PM, Joe Enzminger wrote:
>
>> panchoandlefty2002@yahoo.com>
>>
>> I am thinking about doing a major upgrade to my CJ. It's one of the 2001
>> airframes and has about 350 hours on the airframe and stock 285 engine. I
>> also have a 1960's era CJ (owned by a friend of mine) with a 900 hour
>> engine that needs some love.
>>
>> I'm thinking about upgrading mine to an M14 and modernizing the panels.
>> I'd move my engine over to the other CJ and then have a 900 engine for
>> either spares or to send to overhaul.
>>
>> Having said that, who is doing conversions these days, what do they run
>> (engine + installation)?
>>
>> Also, what's on the wishlist for avionics, etc? I'm thinking an EDM-900
>> + either Garmin or Avidyne glass up front. While budget is important, what
>> goodies would you install if you were starting with a clean slate?
>>
>> What about M14 prop options (price and performance).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459987#459987
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Remember all the money you spend you will never get back. With all the
recommended upgrades the aircraft won't fly any better (M14P) being the
minor exception for more demanding acro but at an increase in fuel costs.
Putting all this money in the rear cockpit??? Who is this for? There is a
reason the Chinese and Russian keep it simple. Are you going to do a lot of
IFR cross country flying?? If so, like Ernie says..... Buy a Bonanza. These
airplanes are used primarily for VFR Acro and formation FUN. When are you
going to have time to look at a Dynon? Sometimes less is more! A couple of
good radios, GPS, Weather and traffic and just fly it like you stoled it!
On Aug 29, 2016 8:23 AM, "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> Buy a Bonanza.
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:58 AM, DaBear@damned.org <dabear@damned.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'd recommend the following
>>
>> Front Cockpit
>>
>> 2 10" Skyview displays or 2 10" inch and 1 7" displays
>>
>> Dynon AutoPilot panel,
>>
>> Dynon button panel,
>>
>> Dynon Radio panel,
>>
>> and Dynon intercom
>>
>>
>> Rear Cockpit
>>
>> Dynon 10" display or 10"inch display and 7" display
>>
>>
>> Other system components:
>>
>> Dynon Transponder
>>
>> 2 Dynon ADHARS
>>
>> 2 Dynon Engine Monitor units
>>
>> 2 Dynon Auto Pilot Servos
>>
>> 1 ADSB unit
>>
>> 1 Dynon GPS unit
>>
>> This gives you EFIS with backup ADHARS, 2 axis auto pilot, 3+ screens
>> with 1 hour backup on the system should you lose electrical power and after
>> your aircraft battery is dead. It gives you full ADSB for weather, etc.
>> and full 2020 Next-Gen integration. It comes with synthetic vision, Maps,
>> etc. I flew the system in my CJ for over 3+ years and it was fantastic.
>> You couldn't beat the cost/value of the system with anyone else.
>>
>>
>> Bear
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/28/2016 1:54 PM, Joe Enzminger wrote:
>>
>>> panchoandlefty2002@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> I am thinking about doing a major upgrade to my CJ. It's one of the
>>> 2001 airframes and has about 350 hours on the airframe and stock 285
>>> engine. I also have a 1960's era CJ (owned by a friend of mine) with a 900
>>> hour engine that needs some love.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking about upgrading mine to an M14 and modernizing the panels.
>>> I'd move my engine over to the other CJ and then have a 900 engine for
>>> either spares or to send to overhaul.
>>>
>>> Having said that, who is doing conversions these days, what do they run
>>> (engine + installation)?
>>>
>>> Also, what's on the wishlist for avionics, etc? I'm thinking an EDM-900
>>> + either Garmin or Avidyne glass up front. While budget is important, what
>>> goodies would you install if you were starting with a clean slate?
>>>
>>> What about M14 prop options (price and performance).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459987#459987
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Greg:
With you 110% on this subject and I would also add rudder and aileron
trim mods. and AP to the waste of time and money category.
Correctly set up the CJ is the most nicely balanced aircraft I have
flown and great for moderate aerobatics and general fun flying.
But then it=99s a free country! If someone wants to turn it
into a Bonanza clone well have at it, its their money.
Walt
From: Greg Wrobel
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Upgrading
Remember all the money you spend you will never get back. With all the
recommended upgrades the aircraft won't fly any better (M14P) being the
minor exception for more demanding acro but at an increase in fuel
costs. Putting all this money in the rear cockpit??? Who is this for?
There is a reason the Chinese and Russian keep it simple. Are you going
to do a lot of IFR cross country flying?? If so, like Ernie says.....
Buy a Bonanza. These airplanes are used primarily for VFR Acro and
formation FUN. When are you going to have time to look at a Dynon?
Sometimes less is more! A couple of good radios, GPS, Weather and
traffic and just fly it like you stoled it!
On Aug 29, 2016 8:23 AM, "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
Buy a Bonanza.
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:58 AM, DaBear@damned.org <dabear@damned.org>
wrote:
<dabear@damned.org>
I'd recommend the following
Front Cockpit
2 10" Skyview displays or 2 10" inch and 1 7" displays
Dynon AutoPilot panel,
Dynon button panel,
Dynon Radio panel,
and Dynon intercom
Rear Cockpit
Dynon 10" display or 10"inch display and 7" display
Other system components:
Dynon Transponder
2 Dynon ADHARS
2 Dynon Engine Monitor units
2 Dynon Auto Pilot Servos
1 ADSB unit
1 Dynon GPS unit
This gives you EFIS with backup ADHARS, 2 axis auto pilot, 3+
screens with 1 hour backup on the system should you lose electrical
power and after your aircraft battery is dead. It gives you full ADSB
for weather, etc. and full 2020 Next-Gen integration. It comes with
synthetic vision, Maps, etc. I flew the system in my CJ for over 3+
years and it was fantastic. You couldn't beat the cost/value of the
system with anyone else.
Bear
On 8/28/2016 1:54 PM, Joe Enzminger wrote:
<panchoandlefty2002@yahoo.com>
I am thinking about doing a major upgrade to my CJ. It's one of
the 2001 airframes and has about 350 hours on the airframe and stock 285
engine. I also have a 1960's era CJ (owned by a friend of mine) with a
900 hour engine that needs some love.
I'm thinking about upgrading mine to an M14 and modernizing the
panels. I'd move my engine over to the other CJ and then have a 900
engine for either spares or to send to overhaul.
Having said that, who is doing conversions these days, what do
they run (engine + installation)?
Also, what's on the wishlist for avionics, etc? I'm thinking an
EDM-900 + either Garmin or Avidyne glass up front. While budget is
important, what goodies would you install if you were starting with a
clean slate?
What about M14 prop options (price and performance).
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459987#459987
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Agree you'll never get the money back out of the plane.
The M14P(F) upgrade is about 40k. GREAT climb performance, not much
level speed upgrade. It IS a different airplane with the M14P. I
recommend the upgrade if you can afford. As for more fuel cost, not
really if you are flying formation with others. On long trips you have
the choice of fast or less fuel.
Avionics... I never regretted the avionics upgrade. It was nice
being able to climb up/descend through cloud decks to get to an
airshow/home. I DID fly IFR with it, and it was a stable platform with
the autopilot. If you can't afford two airplanes, and you do use the CJ
for trips, it comes in handy. As for cost for the back cockpit, the
reason I went with Dynon is once you have the system, the screen is just
a screen so in the back pit it is less than 3k for a 10" screen.
There are other good things about the system:
Traffic (it allows real SA of other planes out there)
Weather (METARs etc)
Full engine monitoring (all 9 EGT/CHT, Oil in/out, etc.)
Oh, and if you remove all the heavy chinese wiring, instruments, etc.
you'll lose a significant amount of weight from the plane.
The haters going to hate...do what you want with your airplane...
Bear
On 8/29/2016 11:27 AM, Greg Wrobel wrote:
>
> Remember all the money you spend you will never get back. With all the
> recommended upgrades the aircraft won't fly any better (M14P) being
> the minor exception for more demanding acro but at an increase in fuel
> costs. Putting all this money in the rear cockpit??? Who is this for?
> There is a reason the Chinese and Russian keep it simple. Are you
> going to do a lot of IFR cross country flying?? If so, like Ernie
> says..... Buy a Bonanza. These airplanes are used primarily for VFR
> Acro and formation FUN. When are you going to have time to look at a
> Dynon? Sometimes less is more! A couple of good radios, GPS, Weather
> and traffic and just fly it like you stoled it!
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2016 8:23 AM, "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com
> <mailto:erniel29@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Buy a Bonanza.
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:58 AM, DaBear@damned.org
> <mailto:DaBear@damned.org> <dabear@damned.org
> <mailto:dabear@damned.org>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:DaBear@damned.org>" <dabear@damned.org
> <mailto:dabear@damned.org>>
>
> I'd recommend the following
>
> Front Cockpit
>
> 2 10" Skyview displays or 2 10" inch and 1 7" displays
>
> Dynon AutoPilot panel,
>
> Dynon button panel,
>
> Dynon Radio panel,
>
> and Dynon intercom
>
>
> Rear Cockpit
>
> Dynon 10" display or 10"inch display and 7" display
>
>
> Other system components:
>
> Dynon Transponder
>
> 2 Dynon ADHARS
>
> 2 Dynon Engine Monitor units
>
> 2 Dynon Auto Pilot Servos
>
> 1 ADSB unit
>
> 1 Dynon GPS unit
>
> This gives you EFIS with backup ADHARS, 2 axis auto pilot, 3+
> screens with 1 hour backup on the system should you lose
> electrical power and after your aircraft battery is dead. It
> gives you full ADSB for weather, etc. and full 2020 Next-Gen
> integration. It comes with synthetic vision, Maps, etc. I
> flew the system in my CJ for over 3+ years and it was
> fantastic. You couldn't beat the cost/value of the system
> with anyone else.
>
>
> Bear
>
>
> On 8/28/2016 1:54 PM, Joe Enzminger wrote:
>
> <panchoandlefty2002@yahoo.com
> <mailto:panchoandlefty2002@yahoo.com>>
>
> I am thinking about doing a major upgrade to my CJ. It's
> one of the 2001 airframes and has about 350 hours on the
> airframe and stock 285 engine. I also have a 1960's era
> CJ (owned by a friend of mine) with a 900 hour engine that
> needs some love.
>
> I'm thinking about upgrading mine to an M14 and
> modernizing the panels. I'd move my engine over to the
> other CJ and then have a 900 engine for either spares or
> to send to overhaul.
>
> Having said that, who is doing conversions these days,
> what do they run (engine + installation)?
>
> Also, what's on the wishlist for avionics, etc? I'm
> thinking an EDM-900 + either Garmin or Avidyne glass up
> front. While budget is important, what goodies would you
> install if you were starting with a clean slate?
>
> What about M14 prop options (price and performance).
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459987#459987
> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459987#459987>
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Go daBear. I have a Dynon with a 430W. The auto pilot pays for itself!!! The
ability to fly IFR to go through wx is outstanding. And yes I know about a b
udget.
PS
The PF is great.
Thug
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> On Aug 29, 2016, at 11:47 AM, DaBear@damned.org <dabear@damned.org> wrote:
>
> Agree you'll never get the money back out of the plane.
> The M14P(F) upgrade is about 40k. GREAT climb performance, not much level
speed upgrade. It IS a different airplane with the M14P. I recommend the
upgrade if you can afford. As for more fuel cost, not really if you are f
lying formation with others. On long trips you have the choice of fast or l
ess fuel.
> Avionics... I never regretted the avionics upgrade. It was nice being a
ble to climb up/descend through cloud decks to get to an airshow/home. I DI
D fly IFR with it, and it was a stable platform with the autopilot. If you c
an't afford two airplanes, and you do use the CJ for trips, it comes in hand
y. As for cost for the back cockpit, the reason I went with Dynon is once
you have the system, the screen is just a screen so in the back pit it is l
ess than 3k for a 10" screen.
>
> There are other good things about the system:
>
> Traffic (it allows real SA of other planes out there)
>
> Weather (METARs etc)
>
> Full engine monitoring (all 9 EGT/CHT, Oil in/out, etc.)
>
>
> Oh, and if you remove all the heavy chinese wiring, instruments, etc. you'
ll lose a significant amount of weight from the plane.
> The haters going to hate...do what you want with your airplane...
>
> Bear
>
>
>> On 8/29/2016 11:27 AM, Greg Wrobel wrote:
>> Remember all the money you spend you will never get back. With all the re
commended upgrades the aircraft won't fly any better (M14P) being the minor e
xception for more demanding acro but at an increase in fuel costs. Putting a
ll this money in the rear cockpit??? Who is this for? There is a reason the C
hinese and Russian keep it simple. Are you going to do a lot of IFR cross co
untry flying?? If so, like Ernie says..... Buy a Bonanza. These airplanes ar
e used primarily for VFR Acro and formation FUN. When are you going to have t
ime to look at a Dynon? Sometimes less is more! A couple of good radios, GPS
, Weather and traffic and just fly it like you stoled it!
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2016 8:23 AM, "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Buy a Bonanza.
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:58 AM, DaBear@damned.org <dabear@damned.org> w
rote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd recommend the following
>>>>
>>>> Front Cockpit
>>>>
>>>> 2 10" Skyview displays or 2 10" inch and 1 7" displays
>>>>
>>>> Dynon AutoPilot panel,
>>>>
>>>> Dynon button panel,
>>>>
>>>> Dynon Radio panel,
>>>>
>>>> and Dynon intercom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rear Cockpit
>>>>
>>>> Dynon 10" display or 10"inch display and 7" display
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Other system components:
>>>>
>>>> Dynon Transponder
>>>>
>>>> 2 Dynon ADHARS
>>>>
>>>> 2 Dynon Engine Monitor units
>>>>
>>>> 2 Dynon Auto Pilot Servos
>>>>
>>>> 1 ADSB unit
>>>>
>>>> 1 Dynon GPS unit
>>>>
>>>> This gives you EFIS with backup ADHARS, 2 axis auto pilot, 3+ screens w
ith 1 hour backup on the system should you lose electrical power and after y
our aircraft battery is dead. It gives you full ADSB for weather, etc. and f
ull 2020 Next-Gen integration. It comes with synthetic vision, Maps, etc.
I flew the system in my CJ for over 3+ years and it was fantastic. You co
uldn't beat the cost/value of the system with anyone else.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bear
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/28/2016 1:54 PM, Joe Enzminger wrote:
hoo.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am thinking about doing a major upgrade to my CJ. It's one of the 2
001 airframes and has about 350 hours on the airframe and stock 285 engine.
I also have a 1960's era CJ (owned by a friend of mine) with a 900 hour eng
ine that needs some love.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking about upgrading mine to an M14 and modernizing the panels
. I'd move my engine over to the other CJ and then have a 900 engine for ei
ther spares or to send to overhaul.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having said that, who is doing conversions these days, what do they ru
n (engine + installation)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, what's on the wishlist for avionics, etc? I'm thinking an EDM-9
00 + either Garmin or Avidyne glass up front. While budget is important, wh
at goodies would you install if you were starting with a clean slate?
>>>>>
>>>>> What about M14 prop options (price and performance).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459987#459987
>>>>
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Bear,
Thanks. Very helpful.
Walt, Ernie, et. al., I'm not concerned about getting my money out of it. These
are airplanes, after all. I appreciate your opinions.
I am interested in bang for the buck, aerobatics, formation, and making the airplane
a little better at going places. Having done a lot of all of it (and having
owned a Yak-55 for a few years of the ten or so I've owned the CJ), adding
another 80 horsepower is appealing. And getting all of those heavy, Chinese
instruments and wiring out of the airplane is also appealing. I'm trying to
make the airplane better fit my missions and perform better.
"Buy a Bonanza"....you don't know how funny that comment really is, and I'm just
going to keep the why to myself.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Joe
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