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| Subject: | Re: CJ Help Needed |
Doug Sapp has really good PDFs of the parts manuals on his website - the exploded
diagrams have great detail... have a look there.
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Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University
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| Subject: | Checklist and Housai Engine |
Group.
As Jill mentioned, Motorstar in Romania does in fact make new
engines. The current price in USD is in the $55 to $60K range depending on
the configuration. They also offer factory remanufactured engines. They are
in the $29K to $33K range depending on the options ordered. They are tested
to the original Russian standards. They are also available with New
Cylinders. They come with a 1yr/100 hr. warranty against materials and
workmanship from the date of service or 3 years from date of shipment.
They manufacture in house most of the parts for the engine. They
also produce new cylinders. They overhaul the accessories and test them to
the original Russian standards. they are the only manufacturer of the
electric start modification.
All engines now come with the 3 ring pistons and the Savarese
ignition system.
You can find on line at motorstarna.com the parts, maintenance, operators,
installation and service manuals.
We can supply all parts and overhaul all accessories.
George Coy
MotorstarNA
714 Airport Rd.
Swanton VT 05488
802-868-5633 off
802-363-5782 cell
802-868-6632 Fax
george.coy@gmail.com
http://motorstarna.com/
SKYPE george.coy
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jill Gernetzke
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 5:47 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Checklist and Housai Engine
Group,
I have original copies of the Yak Checklist that Bud Harrell put together.
Free, just cover the shipping costs. I also have a Russian copy of the
M-14P Maintenance Manual that I do not need,
Regarding the Housai engine overhauls, our shop is going down that path. We
have been doing major repair - prop strike inspections and hydraulic lock
repairs, for over 10 years on them. We currently have our first full
overhaul in process. There are 2 major problems with overhauling the Housai
in the U.S.:
1. The cylinders are usually high time and show extreme wear. Finding
replacement cylinders is not easy, today. We manufacture the guides,
pistons and rings for the cylinders. We do quite a bit of cylinder overhaul
in our shop.
2. Replacement internal parts, such as gears and shafts are not easily
found. I have built a robust stock of cylinders, accessories and parts for
the M-14P but have not done so with the Housai because there is this good
guy in Omak, WA that takes care of us.
We now make 3 gaskets for the Housai - the nosecase sealplate gasket, the
front and rear diffuser plate gaskets. Die charges to manufacture one
gasket run $150 to $250 on average.
I had a customer call for pricing a Housai overhaul and I told him a minimum
of $25K. The parts count on a Housai is much less, but the amount of work
is about the same as an M-14P. (There are almost 50% more parts in an M-14P
than an R-680.) Then, he thought about installing an M-14P. Once, you begin
to add a new prop, exhaust, cowl louver modification, hoses, etc. the price
tag goes high. The conversation ended with him saying he was going to put
his CJ on the market. I did not want to hear that. Once there is a
perceived hardship in the marketplace, it affects the value of the aircraft
for everyone.
The days of the $8,500 new M-14P are gone. The days of the $12,000,
$15,000, $20,000, $25,000, $30,000 new M-14 are long gone. There is still
that rare back-of-the-hangar gathering dust deal that pops up on a rare
occasion. I had an overseas customer get a quote from Motorstar for a new
M-14P and he was quoted $67K FOB Romania.....I don't know if that was Euros
of USD, but that price will blow your socks off. Perhaps, George or Cliff
would like to give an update on what is happening with Motorstar, today.
Last October, I received this communication from Aerostar: "The company
internal decision related to IAK 52 is to stop the production of the new
aircraft and new spare parts." . M-14P, Inc. manufactures a lot of parts
but I have been motivated to work within our small industry to support one
another and begin a dialogue of what parts are going to become scarce, what
each of us is already manufacturing and how to work cooperatively to produce
the needed parts to keep cost to our customers down.
A couple of weeks ago, I took a rudder cable bracket to a machine shop to
ask them to give me an estimate to make the part. I was quoted 2 days. The
other challenge in the Yak and CJ world is that we are a very niche market.
Machine shops like big runs of parts....not 1 or 10 or 20.....but I don't
want a large quantity of parts mouldering on our shelves, either. It is
truly a balancing act to keep you all in the air. We work very hard at
that.
>From my perspective, we are transitioning from the days of fire sale
>prices
- sometime obscenely cheap - for our aircraft to an age of becoming limited
edition, unique aircraft. It is not only vendors that need to work
together, but also owners as a group to make owning these aircraft viable
and desireable.
....Adding MMO once in a while will help! ; )
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
www.m-14p.com
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