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3. 07:08 AM - Re: Cold Starts (Rico Jaeger)
4. 07:49 AM - Re: Cold Starts (DaBear@damned.org)
5. 09:23 AM - Re: Cold Starts (Mark Davis)
6. 01:42 PM - Re: Cold Starts (Rico Jaeger)
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Happy Turkey Hangover Day!
For those of us not blessed to be within a latitude line of the equator, wh
at is the preferred method for cold-weather starting an M-14P? I know most
cold motors will take a lot of priming, but I get the eebee-geebee's when i
t comes to fuel puddling in the lower cylinders. I religiously pop my cylin
der drain valve and pull the prop through 18 blades or so prior to saddling
up. And I have the adhesive "pad-type" heaters on the sump, oil tank and o
il cooler - operating them several hours before I open the big door. I real
ly don't want to take a forced 5 month vacation from Yak'ing, and I know th
ese aircraft were designed to operate in some harsh climates. What works fo
r you guys?
Thanks!
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333G //
Hangar #35 / AUW
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
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With the heat pads, and a blanket covering the cowl, I typically see Cyl
temps in the 45-55deg F range prior to taking the cover off. If that is
the case, I'll pre-flight in the hangar, and pull the prop through just
before opening the door. Then move the plane out and be ready to start
quickly. Since the oil AND the Cyl are actually warm then I'll just add
an extra shot of prime or two (no more than 2) and start as normal.
Worked for me in Chicago winters and the occasionally cold DC winters.
Going to be difficult if the Cyl temps are below 40 and then engine is
cold soaked. I'd pre-heat. I don't like adding anymore prime than
that. I also don't like starting with oil temps lower than 40 hence the
pre-heat or "heat pads"
Bear.
On 11/28/2016 9:22 AM, Rico Jaeger wrote:
>
> Happy Turkey Hangover Day!
>
>
> For those of us not blessed to be within a latitude line of the
> equator, what is the preferred method for cold-weather starting an
> M-14P? I know most cold motors will take a lot of priming, but I get
> the eebee-geebee's when it comes to fuel puddling in the lower
> cylinders. I religiously pop my cylinder drain valve and pull the prop
> through 18 blades or so prior to saddling up. And I have the adhesive
> "pad-type" heaters on the sump, oil tank and oil cooler - operating
> them several hours before I open the big door. I really don't want to
> take a forced 5 month vacation from Yak'ing, and I know these aircraft
> were designed to operate in some harsh climates. What works for you guys?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Rico Jaeger
> 915 S. 11th Ave.
> Wausau, WI. 54401
> 715.529.7426
> //
> 1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
> N61333G //
> Hangar #35 / AUW
> //
> 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
> N21YK //
> Hangar #21 / AUW
>
>
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So how many shots of prime total? (Cyl & Carb)
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1966 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333G //
Hangar #35 / AUW
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.
com> on behalf of DaBear@damned.org <dabear@damned.org>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:49:52 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cold Starts
With the heat pads, and a blanket covering the cowl, I typically see Cyl te
mps in the 45-55deg F range prior to taking the cover off. If that is the
case, I'll pre-flight in the hangar, and pull the prop through just before
opening the door. Then move the plane out and be ready to start quickly.
Since the oil AND the Cyl are actually warm then I'll just add an extra sho
t of prime or two (no more than 2) and start as normal. Worked for me in C
hicago winters and the occasionally cold DC winters. Going to be difficul
t if the Cyl temps are below 40 and then engine is cold soaked. I'd pre-h
eat. I don't like adding anymore prime than that. I also don't like start
ing with oil temps lower than 40 hence the pre-heat or "heat pads"
Bear.
On 11/28/2016 9:22 AM, Rico Jaeger wrote:
Happy Turkey Hangover Day!
For those of us not blessed to be within a latitude line of the equator, wh
at is the preferred method for cold-weather starting an M-14P? I know most
cold motors will take a lot of priming, but I get the eebee-geebee's when i
t comes to fuel puddling in the lower cylinders. I religiously pop my cylin
der drain valve and pull the prop through 18 blades or so prior to saddling
up. And I have the adhesive "pad-type" heaters on the sump, oil tank and o
il cooler - operating them several hours before I open the big door. I real
ly don't want to take a forced 5 month vacation from Yak'ing, and I know th
ese aircraft were designed to operate in some harsh climates. What works fo
r you guys?
Thanks!
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333G //
Hangar #35 / AUW
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
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What I've found is that each airplane is different because of carb and
other settings. What works for you on a normal first start of the day
should work here with 1-2 more shots of prime. Remember that the pump
handle pressurizes the fuel line on one side and primes on the other.
So a 60deg F eng on first start, I'd prime 3 times after pressurizing
the fuel system. 50 deg 4 times, 40 deg 5 times. Below 40-45 I'd pre
heat the engine and oil up to a higher temp. Once I figured out how to
start the engine (early ownership of the 52 or CJ with M14P), I could
get it to start in 1-3 blades. If it didn't catch, I did something
wrong and would reset the start. Just my humble opinion.
Bear
On 11/28/2016 10:08 AM, Rico Jaeger wrote:
>
> So how many shots of prime total? (Cyl & Carb)
>
>
> Rico Jaeger
> 915 S. 11th Ave.
> Wausau, WI. 54401
> 715.529.7426
> //
> 1966 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
> N61333G //
> Hangar #35 / AUW
> //
> 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
> N21YK //
> Hangar #21 / AUW
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com> on behalf of DaBear@damned.org
> <dabear@damned.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 28, 2016 8:49:52 AM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Cold Starts
>
> With the heat pads, and a blanket covering the cowl, I typically see
> Cyl temps in the 45-55deg F range prior to taking the cover off. If
> that is the case, I'll pre-flight in the hangar, and pull the prop
> through just before opening the door. Then move the plane out and be
> ready to start quickly. Since the oil AND the Cyl are actually warm
> then I'll just add an extra shot of prime or two (no more than 2) and
> start as normal. Worked for me in Chicago winters and the
> occasionally cold DC winters. Going to be difficult if the Cyl temps
> are below 40 and then engine is cold soaked. I'd pre-heat. I don't
> like adding anymore prime than that. I also don't like starting with
> oil temps lower than 40 hence the pre-heat or "heat pads"
>
>
> Bear.
>
>
> On 11/28/2016 9:22 AM, Rico Jaeger wrote:
>>
>> Happy Turkey Hangover Day!
>>
>>
>> For those of us not blessed to be within a latitude line of the
>> equator, what is the preferred method for cold-weather starting an
>> M-14P? I know most cold motors will take a lot of priming, but I get
>> the eebee-geebee's when it comes to fuel puddling in the lower
>> cylinders. I religiously pop my cylinder drain valve and pull the
>> prop through 18 blades or so prior to saddling up. And I have the
>> adhesive "pad-type" heaters on the sump, oil tank and oil cooler -
>> operating them several hours before I open the big door. I really
>> don't want to take a forced 5 month vacation from Yak'ing, and I know
>> these aircraft were designed to operate in some harsh climates. What
>> works for you guys?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Rico Jaeger
>> 915 S. 11th Ave.
>> Wausau, WI. 54401
>> 715.529.7426
>> //
>> 1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
>> N61333G //
>> Hangar #35 / AUW
>> //
>> 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
>> N21YK //
>> Hangar #21 / AUW
>>
>>
>
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Cold starts below 40 degrees, for my YAK (seems like many use different
starting techniques), pull through minimum of 12 blades (two bladed prop)
with intake drain open, prime six strokes, get out pull it through a few
more blades (dilutes thick oil on cylinder walls, makes engine turn through
easier and atomizes/distributes the cold fuel in the cylinder), drain intake
drain again, get in, one or two more strokes of prime (cylinders),
pressurize fuel system until you see the pressure gauge come off the peg,
pump throttle to verify linkage feels proper, hit start button. If it
doesn't in one to two blades, stop, prime again and repeat. Mine, if it
fires, doesn't need additional strokes of prime, but many do to keep it
running. I also run X/C 25W50 vs. Aero 120 for the cold weather starts.
25W60 is damn sticky cold soaked, Aero 120 is nearly solid if preheat not
available. If your dilution system is operable, mine isn't, consider
reading up on its proper use.
Fly Navy,
Mark Davis
N44YK
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaBear@damned.org
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cold Starts
What I've found is that each airplane is different because of carb and other
settings. What works for you on a normal first start of the day should work
here with 1-2 more shots of prime. Remember that the pump handle
pressurizes the fuel line on one side and primes on the other.
So a 60deg F eng on first start, I'd prime 3 times after pressurizing the
fuel system. 50 deg 4 times, 40 deg 5 times. Below 40-45 I'd pre heat the
engine and oil up to a higher temp. Once I figured out how to start the
engine (early ownership of the 52 or CJ with M14P), I could get it to start
in 1-3 blades. If it didn't catch, I did something wrong and would reset
the start. Just my humble opinion.
Bear
On 11/28/2016 10:08 AM, Rico Jaeger wrote:
So how many shots of prime total? (Cyl & Carb)
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1966 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333G //
Hangar #35 / AUW
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
<owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com> on behalf of DaBear@damned.org
<mailto:dabear@damned.org> <dabear@damned.org>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:49:52 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cold Starts
With the heat pads, and a blanket covering the cowl, I typically see Cyl
temps in the 45-55deg F range prior to taking the cover off. If that is the
case, I'll pre-flight in the hangar, and pull the prop through just before
opening the door. Then move the plane out and be ready to start quickly.
Since the oil AND the Cyl are actually warm then I'll just add an extra shot
of prime or two (no more than 2) and start as normal. Worked for me in
Chicago winters and the occasionally cold DC winters. Going to be
difficult if the Cyl temps are below 40 and then engine is cold soaked.
I'd pre-heat. I don't like adding anymore prime than that. I also don't
like starting with oil temps lower than 40 hence the pre-heat or "heat pads"
Bear.
On 11/28/2016 9:22 AM, Rico Jaeger wrote:
Happy Turkey Hangover Day!
For those of us not blessed to be within a latitude line of the equator,
what is the preferred method for cold-weather starting an M-14P? I know most
cold motors will take a lot of priming, but I get the eebee-geebee's when it
comes to fuel puddling in the lower cylinders. I religiously pop my cylinder
drain valve and pull the prop through 18 blades or so prior to saddling up.
And I have the adhesive "pad-type" heaters on the sump, oil tank and oil
cooler - operating them several hours before I open the big door. I really
don't want to take a forced 5 month vacation from Yak'ing, and I know these
aircraft were designed to operate in some harsh climates. What works for you
guys?
Thanks!
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333G //
Hangar #35 / AUW
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
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Thanks, Guys! That helps!
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X
N8558G //
Hangar #35 / AUW
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.
com> on behalf of Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 11:22:57 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Cold Starts
Cold starts below 40 degrees, for my YAK (seems like many use different sta
rting techniques), pull through minimum of 12 blades (two bladed prop) with
intake drain open, prime six strokes, get out pull it through a few more b
lades (dilutes thick oil on cylinder walls, makes engine turn through easie
r and atomizes/distributes the cold fuel in the cylinder), drain intake dra
in again, get in, one or two more strokes of prime (cylinders), pressurize
fuel system until you see the pressure gauge come off the peg, pump throttl
e to verify linkage feels proper, hit start button. If it doesn't in one t
o two blades, stop, prime again and repeat. Mine, if it fires, doesn't nee
d additional strokes of prime, but many do to keep it running. I also run
X/C 25W50 vs. Aero 120 for the cold weather starts. 25W60 is damn sticky c
old soaked, Aero 120 is nearly solid if preheat not available. If your dil
ution system is operable, mine isn't, consider reading up on its proper use
.
Fly Navy,
Mark Davis
N44YK
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of DaBear@damned.org
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cold Starts
What I've found is that each airplane is different because of carb and othe
r settings. What works for you on a normal first start of the day should w
ork here with 1-2 more shots of prime. Remember that the pump handle press
urizes the fuel line on one side and primes on the other.
So a 60deg F eng on first start, I'd prime 3 times after pressurizing the f
uel system. 50 deg 4 times, 40 deg 5 times. Below 40-45 I'd pre heat the
engine and oil up to a higher temp. Once I figured out how to start the en
gine (early ownership of the 52 or CJ with M14P), I could get it to start i
n 1-3 blades. If it didn't catch, I did something wrong and would reset th
e start. Just my humble opinion.
Bear
On 11/28/2016 10:08 AM, Rico Jaeger wrote:
So how many shots of prime total? (Cyl & Carb)
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1966 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333G //
Hangar #35 / AUW
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matr
onics.com> <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com><mailto:owner-yak-list-serv
er@matronics.com> on behalf of DaBear@damned.org<mailto:DaBear@damned.org>
<dabear@damned.org><mailto:dabear@damned.org>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:49:52 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cold Starts
With the heat pads, and a blanket covering the cowl, I typically see Cyl te
mps in the 45-55deg F range prior to taking the cover off. If that is the
case, I'll pre-flight in the hangar, and pull the prop through just before
opening the door. Then move the plane out and be ready to start quickly.
Since the oil AND the Cyl are actually warm then I'll just add an extra sho
t of prime or two (no more than 2) and start as normal. Worked for me in C
hicago winters and the occasionally cold DC winters. Going to be difficul
t if the Cyl temps are below 40 and then engine is cold soaked. I'd pre-h
eat. I don't like adding anymore prime than that. I also don't like start
ing with oil temps lower than 40 hence the pre-heat or "heat pads"
Bear.
On 11/28/2016 9:22 AM, Rico Jaeger wrote:
Happy Turkey Hangover Day!
For those of us not blessed to be within a latitude line of the equator, wh
at is the preferred method for cold-weather starting an M-14P? I know most
cold motors will take a lot of priming, but I get the eebee-geebee's when i
t comes to fuel puddling in the lower cylinders. I religiously pop my cylin
der drain valve and pull the prop through 18 blades or so prior to saddling
up. And I have the adhesive "pad-type" heaters on the sump, oil tank and o
il cooler - operating them several hours before I open the big door. I real
ly don't want to take a forced 5 month vacation from Yak'ing, and I know th
ese aircraft were designed to operate in some harsh climates. What works fo
r you guys?
Thanks!
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333G //
Hangar #35 / AUW
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
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