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4. 06:08 AM - Re: Batteries (Ernest Martinez)
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Thanks for all the input. I do remember the 'list discussions from years
ago on the subject but I wanted to see what was current. So, I ordered a
pair of PC545's. FYI, the price you may have paid a few years ago is
sharply higher. Anything with Lead is going to continue to rise. Even the
prices on the batteries I just purchased vary widely. I used "
4wheelparts.com" and got as good a price as anyone else offerred. I have
used this vendor for other purchases and have been satisfied with the
result.
Belatedly, I finally ponied up for a Schumacher charger. It's a smart
charger that can charge deep-cycle batteries, float charge and there is
even a Start position. If I had used it last year before I left my CJ in
the hanger for 3 months without starting, my old battery might still be
useable.
Craig Payne
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Thanks for all the input. I do remember the 'list discussions from years
ago on the subject but I wanted to see what was current. So, I ordered a
pair of PC545's. FYI, the price you may have paid a few years ago is
sharply higher. Anything with Lead is going to continue to rise. Even the
prices on the batteries I just purchased vary widely. I used "
4wheelparts.com" and got as good a price as anyone else offerred. I have
used this vendor for other purchases and have been satisfied with the
result.
Belatedly, I finally ponied up for a Schumacher charger. It's a smart
charger that can charge deep-cycle batteries, float charge and there is
even a Start position. If I had used it last year before I left my CJ in
the hanger for 3 months without starting, my old battery might still be
useable.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 01/06/17 |
Bought my "no maintenance" sealed lead acid batteries from Amazon prime. Bee
n running them with no issues for 18 months. Free delivery. Two for $38.61. T
hats $19 each!
ExpertPower 12v 9ah Sealed Lead Acid Battery with F2 Terminals (.250") / 2 P
ack
Dan Caldwell
Yak55M
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> 1. 12:16 PM - Battery replacement (Craig Payne)
> 2. 12:33 PM - Re: Battery replacement (Greg Wrobel)
> 3. 12:34 PM - Re: Battery replacement (Ernest Martinez)
> 4. 12:35 PM - Re: Battery replacement (Ernest Martinez)
> 5. 12:35 PM - Re: Battery replacement (Jon Boede)
> 6. 12:38 PM - Re: Battery replacement (Patrick Ashura)
> 7. 12:42 PM - Re: Battery replacement (jlpartington@reagan.com)
> 8. 12:56 PM - Re: Battery replacement (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 9. 01:48 PM - Re: Battery replacement (Hank Gibson)
> 10. 01:50 PM - Re: Battery replacement (Hank Gibson)
> 11. 01:56 PM - Re: Battery replacement (Hank Gibson)
> 12. 02:21 PM - Re: Battery replacement (Justin Drafts)
> 13. 02:26 PM - Re: Yak52 main air tank needed (Roger Kemp)
> 14. 02:47 PM - Re: Battery replacement (Roger Kemp)
> 15. 08:51 PM - Re: Battery replacement (Walter Lannon)
> 16. 09:16 PM - Re: Battery replacement (doug sapp)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________
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> Time: 12:16:09 PM PST US
> From: Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>
> After 22 years of buying "Real"aircraft batteries, the ***Tards are wearin
g
> me down with their price increases. I'm thinking about the two 12V in
> series. The gell cell type. Anyone been this route?
>
> Craig Payne
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________
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> Time: 12:33:57 PM PST US
> From: Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>
> Craig, I've been doing it for years. So has 2 others that I know. No
> spillage, price of about $150 for two 12 volt Gel Cells, Lighter and why
> has it taken you so long???
>
>> On Jan 6, 2017 14:19, "Craig Payne" <yakman285@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> After 22 years of buying "Real"aircraft batteries, the ***Tards are
>> wearing me down with their price increases. I'm thinking about the two 12
V
>> in series. The gell cell type. Anyone been this route?
>>
>> Craig Payne
>
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> Time: 12:34:38 PM PST US
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>
> Craig,
>
> I've been using the Oddesey AGM Batteries. Half the weight, half the cost.
>
> I used a pair of the PC545 I believe.
>
> Ernie
>
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> After 22 years of buying "Real"aircraft batteries, the ***Tards are
>> wearing me down with their price increases. I'm thinking about the two 12
V
>> in series. The gell cell type. Anyone been this route?
>>
>> Craig Payne
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________
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> Time: 12:35:24 PM PST US
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>
> Forgot to provide link
>
> http://www.odysseybattery.com/extreme_battery_specs.aspx
>
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrot
e:
>>
>> Craig,
>>
>> I've been using the Oddesey AGM Batteries. Half the weight, half the cost
.
>>
>> I used a pair of the PC545 I believe.
>>
>> Ernie
>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> After 22 years of buying "Real"aircraft batteries, the ***Tards are
>>> wearing me down with their price increases. I'm thinking about the two 1
2V
>>> in series. The gell cell type. Anyone been this route?
>>>
>>> Craig Payne
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 12:35:41 PM PST US
> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>
>
> Yes. Odyssey batteries are an excellent replacement. We use a pair of PC92
5s in
> most Soviet battery boxes. A couple of things:
>
> 1. You can get a nice cable made at most welding supply places to put the t
wo batteries
> in series.
>
> 2. The batteries can be damaged above 14.7v volts. This means that the max
imum
> for a pair is NOT 29.4v but more like 29v since the internal resistance in
the
> two batteries will never be equal. They will last forever if you adjust yo
ur
> voltage regulator to that.
>
> 3. Batterymart.com has the best prices and free shipping that we have foun
d. Sealed
> batteries are shipped charged via UPS ground.
>
> 4. There are a lot of different choices of sizes if you are working them i
nto a
> box. You don't really need much smash in a CJ/Yak because you're not runni
ng
> an electric starter. Even the PC680 will do you fine. The PC925 is enough t
o run
> the starter/generator on an L-29 or Mi-2, so its serious overkill for your
> plane (although it would run the avionics all day if your generator died).
>
> Jon
>
>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> After 22 years of buying "Real"aircraft batteries, the ***Tards are weari
ng me
> down with their price increases. I'm thinking about the two 12V in series.
The
> gell cell type. Anyone been this route?
>>
>> Craig Payne
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________
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>
> Time: 12:38:53 PM PST US
> From: Patrick Ashura <pjsales@me.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>
>
> Werker WKA12-18NB
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> After 22 years of buying "Real"aircraft batteries, the ***Tards are weari
ng me
> down with their price increases. I'm thinking about the two 12V in series.
The
> gell cell type. Anyone been this route?
>>
>> Craig Payne
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 12:42:21 PM PST US
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Battery replacement
> From: jlpartington@reagan.com
>
> =0AWorks for my CJs. last longer too=0A-----Original Message-----=0
AFrom:
> "Craig Payne" <yakman285@gmail.com>=0ASent: Friday, 6 January, 2017 2:15
pm
> =0ATo: "yak-list" <yak-list@matronics.com>=0ASubject: Yak-List: Batter
y rep
> lacement=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAfter 22 years of buying "Real"aircraft b
atteries, t
> he ***Tards are wearing me down with their price increases. I'm thinking a
b
> out the two 12V in series. The gell cell type. Anyone been this route?=0
ACr
> aig Payne=0A=0A=0A=0A
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 12:56:19 PM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>
> Yes, most definitely.=C2- Lots and lots installed that way.Dennis
>
>
> From: Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com>
> To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 3:15 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>
> After 22 years of buying "Real"aircraft batteries, the ***Tards are wearin
g
> me down with their price increases. I'm thinking about the two 12V in seri
> es. The gell cell type. Anyone been this route?
> Craig Payne
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 01:48:04 PM PST US
> From: Hank Gibson <hkgibby@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>
> 2 Odysseys' PC545 in series; love them.
>
>
> Hoot
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> After 22 years of buying "Real"aircraft batteries, the ***Tards are weari
n
> g me down with their price increases. I'm thinking about the two 12V in se
ri
> es. The gell cell type. Anyone been this route?
>>
>> Craig Payne
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> Time: 01:50:07 PM PST US
> From: Hank Gibson <hkgibby@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>
> 2 Odysseys' PC545 in series; love them.
>
>
> Hoot
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> After 22 years of buying "Real"aircraft batteries, the ***Tards are weari
n
> g me down with their price increases. I'm thinking about the two 12V in se
ri
> es. The gell cell type. Anyone been this route?
>>
>> Craig Payne
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> Time: 01:56:59 PM PST US
> From: Hank Gibson <hkgibby@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>
> http://www.4wheelparts.com/stores/Store-Info.aspx?sNo=64
>
> Have a store in Jax; can pick up a couple for you and have at Waycross if y
o
> u want to save shipping.
>
> Hoot
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 3:55 PM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.
ne
>> t> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, most definitely. Lots and lots installed that way.
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> From: Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com>
>> To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 3:15 PM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>>
>> After 22 years of buying "Real"aircraft batteries, the ***Tards are weari
n
> g me down with their price increases. I'm thinking about the two 12V in se
ri
> es. The gell cell type. Anyone been this route?
>>
>> Craig Payne
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>
> Time: 02:21:23 PM PST US
> From: Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>
> 2-cell plan is working great in my CJ... no issues in 5 years
> Justin/N280NC
>
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> After 22 years of buying "Real"aircraft batteries, the ***Tards are
>> wearing me down with their price increases. I'm thinking about the two 12
V
>> in series. The gell cell type. Anyone been this route?
>>
>> Craig Payne
>
> ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 02:26:56 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak52 main air tank needed
> From: Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com>
>
>
> Contact Doug Sapp. He has Stainless Steel replacement cylinders. 509.826.4
610
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Nigel Willson <nigel.willson@yakdisplay.com>
wrote:
>>
>>
>> Need a replacement main air cylinder for the Yak52. Anyone know of any
>> supplies? I seem to remember somewhere someone was offering kevlar
>> replacement tanks as opposed to steel? Any second hand steel ones will ne
ed
>> to be inspected before purchase since the reason for replacement is inter
nal
>> corrosion (that happens with age). I'm in the UK if that helps, so obviou
sly
>> some p&p prices to consider also.
>>
>> Contacts please? (and prices preferably)
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Nigel Willson
>> Flying Instructor & Examiner | Airshow Organiser | Display Pilot
>> Mobile: +44 (0)7809 116676
>> Email: nigel.willson@yakdisplay.com
>>
>> Web:
>> http://easyppl.com
>> http://greatbritishairshows.com
>> http://yakdisplay.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 02:47:09 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Battery replacement
> From: Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com>
>
>
> Yep. Buy mine from Battery Source for about $132 for the pair. Chunk them a
fter
> two-three years.
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> After 22 years of buying "Real"aircraft batteries, the ***Tards are weari
ng me
> down with their price increases. I'm thinking about the two 12V in series.
The
> gell cell type. Anyone been this route?
>>
>> Craig Payne
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 08:51:35 PM PST US
> From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>
> Craig;
>
> I have settled on the Panasonic LCX1228P, 12V Valve regulated lead acid.
> 28 Amp/Hrs. Whole lot of overkill but will out last typical Gill or Conco
r
> d at least 3 lo 1.
> Fits nicely in the CJ battery box =93 see pics.
> In customers CJ (NO battery minder and at least twice inadvertently discha
r
> ged =93switch on) Still strong at sale of A/C after 9 years.
>
> On my CJ. going on 6 years, with a battery minder (type recommended by Mar
k
> Bitterlich) I have not seen a no-load voltage less than 26.5. With almost
> constant de-sulphiding and trickle charge I would not be surprised if they
> lasted 20 years.
>
> Walt
>
> From: Craig Payne
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 12:15 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>
> After 22 years of buying "Real"aircraft batteries, the ***Tards are wearin
g
> me down with their price increases. I'm thinking about the two 12V in seri
> es. The gell cell type. Anyone been this route?
>
> Craig Payne
>
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>
> Time: 09:16:19 PM PST US
> From: doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Battery replacement
>
> Craig,
> This may interest you considering your past penchant for po-boy mods.
> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Turn-Spare-Pocket-Change-into-DIY-B
a
> tteries/
>
> Keep us in the loop as to your success. :o)
>
> Doug
>
>
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Craig;
>>
>> I have settled on the Panasonic LCX1228P, 12V Valve regulated lead acid.
>> 28 Amp/Hrs. Whole lot of overkill but will out last typical Gill or
>> Concord at least 3 lo 1.
>> Fits nicely in the CJ battery box =93 see pics.
>> In customers CJ (NO battery minder and at least twice inadvertently
>> discharged =93switch on) Still strong at sale of A/C after 9 year
> s.
>>
>> On my CJ. going on 6 years, with a battery minder (type recommended by
>> Mark Bitterlich) I have not seen a no-load voltage less than 26.5. With
>> almost constant de-sulphiding and trickle charge I would not be surprised
>> if they lasted 20 years.
>>
>> Walt
>>
>> *From:* Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 06, 2017 12:15 PM
>> *To:* yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* Yak-List: Battery replacement
>>
>> After 22 years of buying "Real"aircraft batteries, the ***Tards are
>> wearing me down with their price increases. I'm thinking about the two 12
> V
>> in series. The gell cell type. Anyone been this route?
>>
>> Craig Payne
>>
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Craig,
You won't need the smart charger. AGM batteries have a shelf life of over a
year. You can let it sit without charging with virtually no loss of charge
for prolonged periods.
Ernie
On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:45 AM Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for all the input. I do remember the 'list discussions from years
> ago on the subject but I wanted to see what was current. So, I ordered a
> pair of PC545's. FYI, the price you may have paid a few years ago is
> sharply higher. Anything with Lead is going to continue to rise. Even the
> prices on the batteries I just purchased vary widely. I used "
> 4wheelparts.com" and got as good a price as anyone else offerred. I have
> used this vendor for other purchases and have been satisfied with the
> result.
>
> Belatedly, I finally ponied up for a Schumacher charger. It's a smart
> charger that can charge deep-cycle batteries, float charge and there is
> even a Start position. If I had used it last year before I left my CJ in
> the hanger for 3 months without starting, my old battery might still be
> useable.
>
> Craig Payne
>
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True. I even let my Odyssey's sit over winter in a hanger heated to about
45 degrees. I do not use a trickle charge and they last typical 3 years.
On the otherhand I left a battery minder on the expensive sealed lead acid
batteries - especially the Gills in the MU2 because I could get double the
life and they were $2200 each !!
On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:08 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com<mailto:erni
el29@gmail.com>> wrote:
Craig,
You won't need the smart charger. AGM batteries have a shelf life of over a
year. You can let it sit without charging with virtually no loss of charge
for prolonged periods.
Ernie
On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:45 AM Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com<mailto:yakm
an285@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks for all the input. I do remember the 'list discussions from years ag
o on the subject but I wanted to see what was current. So, I ordered a pair
of PC545's. FYI, the price you may have paid a few years ago is sharply hi
gher. Anything with Lead is going to continue to rise. Even the prices on t
he batteries I just purchased vary widely. I used "4wheelparts.com<http://4
wheelparts.com/>" and got as good a price as anyone else offerred. I have u
sed this vendor for other purchases and have been satisfied with the result
.
Belatedly, I finally ponied up for a Schumacher charger. It's a smart charg
er that can charge deep-cycle batteries, float charge and there is even a S
tart position. If I had used it last year before I left my CJ in the hanger
for 3 months without starting, my old battery might still be useable.
Craig Payne
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