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1. 01:13 AM - Re: Nanchang Company, M14P approval (Gary Gabbard)
2. 07:53 AM - Re: Nanchang Company, M14P approval (William Geipel)
3. 07:55 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/18/17 (3bar)
4. 08:44 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/18/17 (Top Ace)
5. 11:01 AM - Re: Nanchang Company, M14P approval (Walter Lannon)
6. 12:14 PM - Tough Days (Craig Payne)
7. 12:15 PM - Re: Nanchang Company, M14P approval (Greg Wrobel)
8. 12:30 PM - Re: Tough Days (Ernest Martinez)
9. 01:02 PM - Re: Nanchang Company, M14P approval (Top Ace)
10. 04:56 PM - Re: Nanchang Company, M14P approval (Gary Gabbard)
11. 07:19 PM - Re: Nanchang Company, M14P approval (Walter Lannon)
12. 08:43 PM - Re: Nanchang Company, M14P approval (Gary Gabbard)
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang Company, M14P approval |
Gentlemen, as I recall. The CJ was first produced for the PLA, and it originally
was delivered into Chinese military service with the Russian M14-P engine .
But somewhere along the line they decided they didn't need that much horsepower
for a trainer. So China made a deal with Wilga of Poland to manufacture their
own engine made by Housi of China. Under license from Wilga. So the Airplane
and the engine mount are the same as the originally produced airframe that
was originally produced with the M14-P engine. This was learned in a conversation
with Ron Bailey of PHX at the time (1995) who was an early importer of the
CJ's. He spent a lot of time in China during the time he was importing them to
the USA. Since purchasing my CJ from him in early (1995). Several years after
I purchased the CJ. I lost track of Ron years ago. I believe he moved from
PHX years ago, so can't verify this by contacting him. I did see a picture of
some CJ's with the large paddle blade props on them that I believe Ron took them
on one of his trips to China. The large square paddle blades would indicate
that it was equipped with the M14-P. And that was before anyone was installing
M14-P engines in them here in the USA as I recall. I have had my CJ for 22
years. Ok maybe if anyone has contacts in China you could verify that the Airplane
was produced originally with the M14-P. Good luck on your search. Hope this
small amount of info may help you.
Gary. In Las Vegas, Nevada. CJ N22YK.
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> On Jan 18, 2017, at 19:25, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm not an expert on how these things are handled in North America, but
> surely an STC is approval for a modification onto a certified aircraft, and
> of course the Nanchang is completely "experimental", and in the USA owners
> have the fantastic good fortune to be able to do pretty much what they like
> in terms of modifications and engine changes.
>
> Interestingly we in the UK are allowed to fly Yak 50 and 52 only on the
> basis that they are "ex-military", since we do not have any form of an
> experimental category. The Nanchang, similarly, fits into the same category.
>
> We have recently sold an M 14 P to a UK customer to put into his Nanchang,
> but he is having a bureaucratic nightmare with UK CAA to authorise the
> conversion. They have asked for stress calculations on the engine mounts;
> proof that the engine will be sufficiently cooled et cetera.
>
> I would be very doubtful whether there is any "official" documentation from
> China authorising the installation of the Russian engine, but I could be
> wrong!
>
> Richard Goode
>
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
> Tel: +94 (0) 81 241 5137 (Sri Lanka)
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
> Im currently in Sri Lanka but this Mail is working,and my local phone is
> +94 779 132 160.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Top Ace
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 10:38 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Nanchang Company, M14P approval
>
>
> Installation of a M-14P on a CJ.,,, I know many of the CJ owners have
> installed the MP-14P engine in the United States,, which is or was approved
> by the FAA,,, Here in Canada,, Transport Canada does not recognize any other
> motor then the Housai, I would like to install the M14P on my aircraft.
> I would need a field or an STC from them to install it here in Canada,,,
>
> I am aware of one MP-14 installed here in Canada !!! 1999,, which at the
> time, he was allotted an stc based on a letter that was written from
> Nanchang at the time that this was a approved engine that could be
> installed. ( Lost, filed away, or misplaced copy)
>
> Question if any one can help is,, does anyone have a copy, or have
> documentation from Nanchang that it is allowed. I sure would like to have
> this so I can present my case to Transport Canada.
> Have only owned this Cj since June,,, you folks have had them for 20 years
> plus,, appreciate any help you could send my way.
> David
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465193#465193
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang Company, M14P approval |
I put a viper engine in my L29. We wrote the FAA to inform them and their response
was, Its experimental, do it right and dont get hurt.
Have fun. The beauty of being EXPERIMENTAL
> On Jan 18, 2017, at 20:25, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm not an expert on how these things are handled in North America, but
> surely an STC is approval for a modification onto a certified aircraft, and
> of course the Nanchang is completely "experimental", and in the USA owners
> have the fantastic good fortune to be able to do pretty much what they like
> in terms of modifications and engine changes.
>
> Interestingly we in the UK are allowed to fly Yak 50 and 52 only on the
> basis that they are "ex-military", since we do not have any form of an
> experimental category. The Nanchang, similarly, fits into the same category.
>
> We have recently sold an M 14 P to a UK customer to put into his Nanchang,
> but he is having a bureaucratic nightmare with UK CAA to authorise the
> conversion. They have asked for stress calculations on the engine mounts;
> proof that the engine will be sufficiently cooled et cetera.
>
> I would be very doubtful whether there is any "official" documentation from
> China authorising the installation of the Russian engine, but I could be
> wrong!
>
> Richard Goode
>
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
> Tel: +94 (0) 81 241 5137 (Sri Lanka)
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
> Im currently in Sri Lanka but this Mail is working,and my local phone is
> +94 779 132 160.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Top Ace
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 10:38 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Nanchang Company, M14P approval
>
>
> Installation of a M-14P on a CJ.,,, I know many of the CJ owners have
> installed the MP-14P engine in the United States,, which is or was approved
> by the FAA,,, Here in Canada,, Transport Canada does not recognize any other
> motor then the Housai, I would like to install the M14P on my aircraft.
> I would need a field or an STC from them to install it here in Canada,,,
>
> I am aware of one MP-14 installed here in Canada !!! 1999,, which at the
> time, he was allotted an stc based on a letter that was written from
> Nanchang at the time that this was a approved engine that could be
> installed. ( Lost, filed away, or misplaced copy)
>
> Question if any one can help is,, does anyone have a copy, or have
> documentation from Nanchang that it is allowed. I sure would like to have
> this so I can present my case to Transport Canada.
> Have only owned this Cj since June,,, you folks have had them for 20 years
> plus,, appreciate any help you could send my way.
> David
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465193#465193
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/18/17 |
Hi Paul,, I have been speaking with Walt,, and he has sent me a copy of the letter
we speak,, I will contact Victoria concerning the letter, requesting permission
to use it for my purpose to present my case to transport Canada, at the
same time, I will ask if it can be shared to others,
Thanks, David
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang Company, M14P approval |
Hi Gary;
That's a really cute story, kind of like a fairy tale, nice, but not too
accurate.
The original engine intended for the CJ6 was a 6 cyl. horiz. opposed Chinese
design. Installed on the first prototype it was quickly found unacceptable
and replaced with the early version of the original Ivchenko engine, the
AI14R. That engine went into Chinese production as the Huosai 6 and,later,
the 6A.
The propellor installation was the stock, original V530 hub and wooden
blades. Chinese designed blades eventually replaced them.
About the same time as your friend (1993) I imported the first CJ's into
Canada directly from China (there were two already here but imported from
Texas)
Cheers;
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gabbard
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nanchang Company, M14P approval
Gentlemen, as I recall. The CJ was first produced for the PLA, and it
originally was delivered into Chinese military service with the Russian
M14-P engine . But somewhere along the line they decided they didn't need
that much horsepower for a trainer. So China made a deal with Wilga of
Poland to manufacture their own engine made by Housi of China. Under license
from Wilga. So the Airplane and the engine mount are the same as the
originally produced airframe that was originally produced with the M14-P
engine. This was learned in a conversation with Ron Bailey of PHX at the
time (1995) who was an early importer of the CJ's. He spent a lot of time in
China during the time he was importing them to the USA. Since purchasing my
CJ from him in early (1995). Several years after I purchased the CJ. I lost
track of Ron years ago. I believe he moved from PHX years ago, so can't
verify this by contacting him. I did see a picture of some CJ's with the
large paddle blade props on them !
that I believe Ron took them on one of his trips to China. The large square
paddle blades would indicate that it was equipped with the M14-P. And that
was before anyone was installing M14-P engines in them here in the USA as I
recall. I have had my CJ for 22 years. Ok maybe if anyone has contacts in
China you could verify that the Airplane was produced originally with the
M14-P. Good luck on your search. Hope this small amount of info may help
you.
Gary. In Las Vegas, Nevada. CJ N22YK.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 18, 2017, at 19:25, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> wrote:
>
> <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>
> I'm not an expert on how these things are handled in North America, but
> surely an STC is approval for a modification onto a certified aircraft,
> and
> of course the Nanchang is completely "experimental", and in the USA owners
> have the fantastic good fortune to be able to do pretty much what they
> like
> in terms of modifications and engine changes.
>
> Interestingly we in the UK are allowed to fly Yak 50 and 52 only on the
> basis that they are "ex-military", since we do not have any form of an
> experimental category. The Nanchang, similarly, fits into the same
> category.
>
> We have recently sold an M 14 P to a UK customer to put into his Nanchang,
> but he is having a bureaucratic nightmare with UK CAA to authorise the
> conversion. They have asked for stress calculations on the engine mounts;
> proof that the engine will be sufficiently cooled et cetera.
>
> I would be very doubtful whether there is any "official" documentation
> from
> China authorising the installation of the Russian engine, but I could be
> wrong!
>
> Richard Goode
>
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
> Tel: +94 (0) 81 241 5137 (Sri Lanka)
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
> Im currently in Sri Lanka but this Mail is working,and my local phone is
> +94 779 132 160.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Top Ace
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 10:38 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Nanchang Company, M14P approval
>
>
> Installation of a M-14P on a CJ.,,, I know many of the CJ owners have
> installed the MP-14P engine in the United States,, which is or was
> approved
> by the FAA,,, Here in Canada,, Transport Canada does not recognize any
> other
> motor then the Housai, I would like to install the M14P on my aircraft.
> I would need a field or an STC from them to install it here in Canada,,,
>
> I am aware of one MP-14 installed here in Canada !!! 1999,, which at the
> time, he was allotted an stc based on a letter that was written from
> Nanchang at the time that this was a approved engine that could be
> installed. ( Lost, filed away, or misplaced copy)
>
> Question if any one can help is,, does anyone have a copy, or have
> documentation from Nanchang that it is allowed. I sure would like to have
> this so I can present my case to Transport Canada.
> Have only owned this Cj since June,,, you folks have had them for 20 years
> plus,, appreciate any help you could send my way.
> David
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465193#465193
>
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Heat in the morning, A/C in the afternoon...you got to eat your grits every
day to be tough like us Phearless Phorida Phyers...
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang Company, M14P approval |
Hey Top Ace. Your going about this all wrong. My suggestion is you move to
the USA where as the boys in Brittan say "You Yanks are so lucky". Now if
you have a house to sell, no worries eh! We have a bunch of folks
supposedly moving to Canada after Trump is sworn in tomorrow. You have
three choices of getting here. 1. Come down from Canada and wait years
through legal immigration. 2. Sneak up from the south like 6 million have
done. Better hurry, we are getting ready to build a wall! Rumor has it will
go all the way to the Canadian border along the Eastern boarders of
California, Oregon and Washington!. 3). Go to the Middle-East, become a
refugee and be imported under some world government plan. You don't need
any Identity, personal records etc. It's great. You get a house, clothing,
a job, subsistence allowance for 5 years! It only cost the US taxpayers
$80,000 per year per person imported. Oops, Hillary didn't get elected so
that program may be in jeopardy. Be careful and don't wait to long on
option 3. Trump has been talking to Germany, Austria, Belgium, France,
Brittan, and the rest of the liberal- socialist countries and it's not
working out to well. If you make it down across the boarder you might have
to give up your wonderful, best in the world health care and
pharmaceuticals but you will have your M14P with American ease. Hope this
helps.......
On Jan 18, 2017 11:12 AM, "Top Ace" <topacedave@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Installation of a M-14P on a CJ.,,, I know many of the CJ owners have
> installed the MP-14P engine in the United States,, which is or was approved
> by the FAA,,,
> Here in Canada,, Transport Canada does not recognize any other motor then
> the Housai, I would like to install the M14P on my aircraft.
> I would need a field or an STC from them to install it here in Canada,,,
>
> I am aware of one MP-14 installed here in Canada !!! 1999,, which at the
> time, he was allotted an stc based on a letter that was written from
> Nanchang at the time that this was a approved engine that could be
> installed. ( Lost, filed away, or misplaced copy)
>
> Question if any one can help is,, does anyone have a copy, or have
> documentation from Nanchang that it is allowed. I sure would like to have
> this so I can present my case to Transport Canada.
> Have only owned this Cj since June,,, you folks have had them for 20 years
> plus,, appreciate any help you could send my way.
> David
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465193#465193
>
>
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You need to insulate your house, I haven't had either on in weeks.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Craig Payne <yakman285@gmail.com> wrote:
> Heat in the morning, A/C in the afternoon...you got to eat your grits
> every day to be tough like us Phearless Phorida Phyers...
>
> Craig Payne
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang Company, M14P approval |
That's one long wall,, We have our problems north of the border as well,,, and
as many useless politicians,, Were going to need one bigger swamp.
lets at least enjoy our flying,,, Top Ace
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang Company, M14P approval |
Hi Craig
Yes I am aware of the plan to install a six cyl opposed engine in the CJ originally
And you very well may be correct on not being an M14-P installed. The paddle prop
pic that I saw helped to make me feel the info might be true. But I stand corrected.
Thank You for the info. If I stumble over Florida way one of these days,
I owe you a or two. Later.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 19, 2017, at 11:00, Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Gary;
>
> That's a really cute story, kind of like a fairy tale, nice, but not too accurate.
>
> The original engine intended for the CJ6 was a 6 cyl. horiz. opposed Chinese
design. Installed on the first prototype it was quickly found unacceptable and
replaced with the early version of the original Ivchenko engine, the AI14R.
That engine went into Chinese production as the Huosai 6 and,later, the 6A.
> The propellor installation was the stock, original V530 hub and wooden blades.
Chinese designed blades eventually replaced them.
> About the same time as your friend (1993) I imported the first CJ's into Canada
directly from China (there were two already here but imported from Texas)
>
> Cheers;
> Walt
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Gary Gabbard
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:12 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nanchang Company, M14P approval
>
>
> Gentlemen, as I recall. The CJ was first produced for the PLA, and it originally
was delivered into Chinese military service with the Russian M14-P engine
. But somewhere along the line they decided they didn't need that much horsepower
for a trainer. So China made a deal with Wilga of Poland to manufacture
their own engine made by Housi of China. Under license from Wilga. So the Airplane
and the engine mount are the same as the originally produced airframe that
was originally produced with the M14-P engine. This was learned in a conversation
with Ron Bailey of PHX at the time (1995) who was an early importer of the
CJ's. He spent a lot of time in China during the time he was importing them
to the USA. Since purchasing my CJ from him in early (1995). Several years after
I purchased the CJ. I lost track of Ron years ago. I believe he moved from
PHX years ago, so can't verify this by contacting him. I did see a picture of
some CJ's with the large paddle blade props on them !
> that I believe Ron took them on one of his trips to China. The large square paddle
blades would indicate that it was equipped with the M14-P. And that was
before anyone was installing M14-P engines in them here in the USA as I recall.
I have had my CJ for 22 years. Ok maybe if anyone has contacts in China you
could verify that the Airplane was produced originally with the M14-P. Good
luck on your search. Hope this small amount of info may help you.
> Gary. In Las Vegas, Nevada. CJ N22YK.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 18, 2017, at 19:25, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm not an expert on how these things are handled in North America, but
>> surely an STC is approval for a modification onto a certified aircraft, and
>> of course the Nanchang is completely "experimental", and in the USA owners
>> have the fantastic good fortune to be able to do pretty much what they like
>> in terms of modifications and engine changes.
>>
>> Interestingly we in the UK are allowed to fly Yak 50 and 52 only on the
>> basis that they are "ex-military", since we do not have any form of an
>> experimental category. The Nanchang, similarly, fits into the same category.
>>
>> We have recently sold an M 14 P to a UK customer to put into his Nanchang,
>> but he is having a bureaucratic nightmare with UK CAA to authorise the
>> conversion. They have asked for stress calculations on the engine mounts;
>> proof that the engine will be sufficiently cooled et cetera.
>>
>> I would be very doubtful whether there is any "official" documentation from
>> China authorising the installation of the Russian engine, but I could be
>> wrong!
>>
>> Richard Goode
>>
>> Rhodds Farm
>> Lyonshall
>> Hereford
>> HR5 3LW
>> United Kingdom
>> Tel: +94 (0) 81 241 5137 (Sri Lanka)
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>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Top Ace
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 10:38 PM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Nanchang Company, M14P approval
>>
>>
>> Installation of a M-14P on a CJ.,,, I know many of the CJ owners have
>> installed the MP-14P engine in the United States,, which is or was approved
>> by the FAA,,, Here in Canada,, Transport Canada does not recognize any other
>> motor then the Housai, I would like to install the M14P on my aircraft.
>> I would need a field or an STC from them to install it here in Canada,,,
>>
>> I am aware of one MP-14 installed here in Canada !!! 1999,, which at the
>> time, he was allotted an stc based on a letter that was written from
>> Nanchang at the time that this was a approved engine that could be
>> installed. ( Lost, filed away, or misplaced copy)
>>
>> Question if any one can help is,, does anyone have a copy, or have
>> documentation from Nanchang that it is allowed. I sure would like to have
>> this so I can present my case to Transport Canada.
>> Have only owned this Cj since June,,, you folks have had them for 20 years
>> plus,, appreciate any help you could send my way.
>> David
>>
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Hi Gary;
I stand corrected! The original CJ engine was an 8 cyl., horizontally
opposed Czech built unit.
By the way my name is not Craig and you would have to go North to by me a
beer.
Sounds good to me but maybe wait until it warms up and I will buy you a
Canadian beer.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gabbard
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nanchang Company, M14P approval
Hi Craig
Yes I am aware of the plan to install a six cyl opposed engine in the CJ
originally
And you very well may be correct on not being an M14-P installed. The paddle
prop pic that I saw helped to make me feel the info might be true. But I
stand corrected. Thank You for the info. If I stumble over Florida way one
of these days, I owe you a or two. Later.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 19, 2017, at 11:00, Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Gary;
>
> That's a really cute story, kind of like a fairy tale, nice, but not too
> accurate.
>
> The original engine intended for the CJ6 was a 6 cyl. horiz. opposed
> Chinese design. Installed on the first prototype it was quickly found
> unacceptable and replaced with the early version of the original Ivchenko
> engine, the AI14R. That engine went into Chinese production as the
> Huosai 6 and,later, the 6A.
> The propellor installation was the stock, original V530 hub and wooden
> blades. Chinese designed blades eventually replaced them.
> About the same time as your friend (1993) I imported the first CJ's into
> Canada directly from China (there were two already here but imported from
> Texas)
>
> Cheers;
> Walt
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Gary Gabbard
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:12 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nanchang Company, M14P approval
>
>
> Gentlemen, as I recall. The CJ was first produced for the PLA, and it
> originally was delivered into Chinese military service with the Russian
> M14-P engine . But somewhere along the line they decided they didn't need
> that much horsepower for a trainer. So China made a deal with Wilga of
> Poland to manufacture their own engine made by Housi of China. Under
> license from Wilga. So the Airplane and the engine mount are the same as
> the originally produced airframe that was originally produced with the
> M14-P engine. This was learned in a conversation with Ron Bailey of PHX at
> the time (1995) who was an early importer of the CJ's. He spent a lot of
> time in China during the time he was importing them to the USA. Since
> purchasing my CJ from him in early (1995). Several years after I purchased
> the CJ. I lost track of Ron years ago. I believe he moved from PHX years
> ago, so can't verify this by contacting him. I did see a picture of some
> CJ's with the large paddle blade props on the!
m !
> that I believe Ron took them on one of his trips to China. The large
> square paddle blades would indicate that it was equipped with the M14-P.
> And that was before anyone was installing M14-P engines in them here in
> the USA as I recall. I have had my CJ for 22 years. Ok maybe if anyone has
> contacts in China you could verify that the Airplane was produced
> originally with the M14-P. Good luck on your search. Hope this small
> amount of info may help you.
> Gary. In Las Vegas, Nevada. CJ N22YK.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 18, 2017, at 19:25, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>>
>> I'm not an expert on how these things are handled in North America, but
>> surely an STC is approval for a modification onto a certified aircraft,
>> and
>> of course the Nanchang is completely "experimental", and in the USA
>> owners
>> have the fantastic good fortune to be able to do pretty much what they
>> like
>> in terms of modifications and engine changes.
>>
>> Interestingly we in the UK are allowed to fly Yak 50 and 52 only on the
>> basis that they are "ex-military", since we do not have any form of an
>> experimental category. The Nanchang, similarly, fits into the same
>> category.
>>
>> We have recently sold an M 14 P to a UK customer to put into his
>> Nanchang,
>> but he is having a bureaucratic nightmare with UK CAA to authorise the
>> conversion. They have asked for stress calculations on the engine mounts;
>> proof that the engine will be sufficiently cooled et cetera.
>>
>> I would be very doubtful whether there is any "official" documentation
>> from
>> China authorising the installation of the Russian engine, but I could be
>> wrong!
>>
>> Richard Goode
>>
>> Rhodds Farm
>> Lyonshall
>> Hereford
>> HR5 3LW
>> United Kingdom
>> Tel: +94 (0) 81 241 5137 (Sri Lanka)
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>> www.russianaeros.com
>> Im currently in Sri Lanka but this Mail is working,and my local phone is
>> +94 779 132 160.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Top Ace
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 10:38 PM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Nanchang Company, M14P approval
>>
>>
>> Installation of a M-14P on a CJ.,,, I know many of the CJ owners have
>> installed the MP-14P engine in the United States,, which is or was
>> approved
>> by the FAA,,, Here in Canada,, Transport Canada does not recognize any
>> other
>> motor then the Housai, I would like to install the M14P on my aircraft.
>> I would need a field or an STC from them to install it here in Canada,,,
>>
>> I am aware of one MP-14 installed here in Canada !!! 1999,, which at the
>> time, he was allotted an stc based on a letter that was written from
>> Nanchang at the time that this was a approved engine that could be
>> installed. ( Lost, filed away, or misplaced copy)
>>
>> Question if any one can help is,, does anyone have a copy, or have
>> documentation from Nanchang that it is allowed. I sure would like to have
>> this so I can present my case to Transport Canada.
>> Have only owned this Cj since June,,, you folks have had them for 20
>> years
>> plus,, appreciate any help you could send my way.
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465193#465193
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Ooops. Sorry Walter. Once again my error. But the beer still sounds. Must be
y week for screwing up. LOL. AND YES WARMER WEATHER. Gary
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 19, 2017, at 19:17, Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca> wrote:
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