---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/17/17: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:00 AM - Re: M-14P TBO (Ttail) 2. 04:33 AM - Re: Re: M-14P TBO (Chris & Diane Burton) 3. 06:50 AM - Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting (Richard Romaine) 4. 07:50 AM - Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting (Harv) 5. 08:58 AM - Fw: [flyovers] Fly over in central Texas (Kurt Howerton) 6. 09:20 AM - Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting (ChangDriver) 7. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: M-14P TBO (Richard Goode) 8. 10:20 AM - CJ whiskey compass O/H (Mdshelley) 9. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting (Walter Lannon) 10. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting (Rico Jaeger) 11. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting (Walter Lannon) 12. 09:19 PM - Re: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting (doug sapp) 13. 09:24 PM - Re: Control surfaces fabric recovering (stephen.hayne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:16 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: M-14P TBO From: "Ttail" the Australian Warbirds Maintenance Schedule gives various TBO figures greater than 500hours depending on engine manufacturer. Would this be of assistance to you ? Vedeneyev / Ivchenko M-14P On Condition up to 750 hours then 500 hours After an overhaul up to 2250 hours. Motorstar / Aeromotors M-14P/PF On Condition up to 1500 hours then 500 hours After an overhaul up to 2250 hours. These copied and pasted from the schedule. Having said that in the last month or so we have also been given approval to continue past the TBO based on "On condition" . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466325#466325 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: M-14P TBO From: Chris & Diane Burton Ttail, Yes, that could be just what I am looking for. Especially the Aerostar information. Are you able to email me a copy please? Many thanks Chris Sent from my iPhone, so typo's are bought to you courtesy of Siri. > On 17/02/2017, at 23:59, Ttail wrote: > > > the Australian Warbirds Maintenance Schedule gives various TBO figures greater than 500hours depending on engine manufacturer. Would this be of assistance to you ? > > Vedeneyev / Ivchenko M-14P On Condition up to 750 hours > then 500 hours After an overhaul up to 2250 hours. > > Motorstar / Aeromotors M-14P/PF On Condition up to 1500 hours > then 500 hours After an overhaul up to 2250 hours. > > These copied and pasted from the schedule. > > Having said that in the last month or so we have also been given approval to continue past the TBO based on "On condition" . > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466325#466325 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:02 AM PST US From: Richard Romaine Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cj6 grease nipple fitting I ran out of hands trying to grease the buttons in hard to reach spots tha t were stubborn to take grease...my solution was to temporarily remove the buttons during greasing.=C2- I=C2-replaced the buttons with 90 degree f ittings, greased them=C2-and then reinstalled the buttons.=C2- It's not the clean room version of greasing, but at least=C2-PITA fittings=C2-g ot new grease.=C2- The time wasted=C2-swapping fittings involved less=C2-profanity than=C2 -my experience with=C2-the buttons.=C2-=C2- Warmer ambient=C2-temps also made it easier. Cheers,Rich ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:00 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting From: "Harv" Thanks I'm happy to stick with the Chinese nipple (ahem) if I can find a fitting Thanks for recommendation re grease Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466349#466349 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:52 AM PST US From: Kurt Howerton Subject: Yak-List: Fwd: [flyovers] Fly over in central Texas Gentlemen - Is there anyone on the list that could assist Leland? Please contact him directly. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Subject: [flyovers] Fly over in central Texas Leland Matthews (l.matt.matthews@gmail.com) sent a message using the contact form at http://baybombersquadron.com/contact. I have a friend in central Texas around the Austin, Texas area, he is currently in hospice, and I have no idea how long he has. I met him about 7 years ago when he came to me to get current, he is not a military pilot, but I do recall in the many things he did during his aviation career was I believe he conducted primary training for some military guys. I am currently a 121 pilot with few to no contacts in the GA area of Austin Texas, and absolutely no experience formation flying. He asked me a while back if I could fly a missing man formation at his funeral, I told I could see what I could do. Would anybody in your organization know of anyone in the Central Texas are who could make this happen? I work for a regional carrier and am not even sure I could get the time off much less fly it my self. Any information would be greatly appreciated Thanks for your time -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BayBomberSquadron" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to baybombersquadron+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Kurt Howerton 916.282.9231 http://cj6.scitechsys.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:24 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting From: "ChangDriver" There is no reason to replace any of those communist button grease fittings. All you need is the correct grease gun. I have been using the Dualco model 700231 with two other nozzles for harder to reach fittings (top of landing gear and front nose pivot fittings). Adapter 10546 and 10547 will be all you need. http://www.dualco-inc.com/products.push.html Aeroshell Grease 6 is suitable http://www.shell.com/business-customers/aviation/aeroshell/knowledge-centre/the-aeroshell-book/_jcr_content/par/textimage_1433441235.stream/1445042875796/1d024cf49b16b7091e0368a866e9ca6b0ef6f275ac75de066f2004ed372bbef1/aeroshell-book-5greases.pdf Enjoy!! Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466365#466365 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:37 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: M-14P TBO Of course Motorstar manufactured a large number of engines to fit into Yak 52, but they weren't given any design details or technology, so they can obviously give 1500 hours "on condition" where the engines are being used "experimentally" in the USA, but I would doubt whether this would be formally accepted by an aviation authority unless it was in the context of an aircraft, being operated in some restricted or experimental category. But it would certainly be worth a try! Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris & Diane Burton Sent: 17 February 2017 12:33 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: M-14P TBO --> Ttail, Yes, that could be just what I am looking for. Especially the Aerostar information. Are you able to email me a copy please? Many thanks Chris Sent from my iPhone, so typo's are bought to you courtesy of Siri. > On 17/02/2017, at 23:59, Ttail wrote: > > > the Australian Warbirds Maintenance Schedule gives various TBO figures greater than 500hours depending on engine manufacturer. Would this be of assistance to you ? > > Vedeneyev / Ivchenko M-14P On Condition up to 750 hours then 500 hours > After an overhaul up to 2250 hours. > > Motorstar / Aeromotors M-14P/PF On Condition up to 1500 hours then 500 > hours After an overhaul up to 2250 hours. > > These copied and pasted from the schedule. > > Having said that in the last month or so we have also been given approval to continue past the TBO based on "On condition" . > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466325#466325 > > > > > > > > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:27 AM PST US From: Mdshelley Subject: Yak-List: CJ whiskey compass O/H Anyone had any luck overhauling the wet compass? Mine's working, just can't see it unless it's in direct sunlight. Figure it needs cleaning and fluid change. Anyone done it? Nothing in the archives about it. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:25 AM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting Harv, et al; I have replaced the Russian/Chinese/Polish grease fittings with Western in all locations except for two on each MLG. One of these locations has been identified by Justin Drafts. This one, as he has noted, is critical. The second is far less obvious. It has been some time since I did this so my memory may be suspect but I think this one required a 45 (or 90?) deg. fitting which would only work in one radial position without contacting other structure and could only be detected by hand swinging the gear with the doors off. I concluded this could become a problem at a future fitting replacement without realizing the position was critical and decided to remain stock. Since I have the original Chinese grease gun it is not a problem. Compared to the western standard it is far more time consuming but, IMHO, much more reliable. Will try to get a photo of that location and post it. Chang Driver has given a recommendation for Aeroshell Grease 6 which is probably acceptable for most general applications but is NOT recommended for wheel bearings. Check out the link he included to the Aeroshell website. Since I get involved with CJ prop. overhaul on occasion I would not use Grease 6 there as well. Aeroshell Grease 5 is my recommendation for everything on the aircraft. If you can find a Russian, Chinese or Polish grease gun buy one. Much better than the push type also recommended. Get on to Doug Sapp's case and tell him to import some. Cheers; Walt -----Original Message----- From: Harv Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 7:49 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting Thanks I'm happy to stick with the Chinese nipple (ahem) if I can find a fitting Thanks for recommendation re grease Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466349#466349 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:32 PM PST US From: Rico Jaeger Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting Been a long week....just the title of this thread is getting me all hot & b othered. Rico Jaeger 915 S. 11th Ave. Wausau, WI. 54401 715.529.7426 // 1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X N61333 // Hangar #35 / AUW // 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X N21YK // Hangar #21 / AUW ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Walter Lannon Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:47:24 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting Harv, et al; I have replaced the Russian/Chinese/Polish grease fittings with Western in all locations except for two on each MLG. One of these locations has been identified by Justin Drafts. This one, as he has noted, is critical. The second is far less obvious. It has been some time since I did this so my memory may be suspect but I think this one required a 45 (or 90?) deg. fitting which would only work in one radial position without contacting other structure and could only be detected by hand swinging the gear with the doors off. I concluded this could become a problem at a future fitting replacement without realizing the position was critical and decided to remain stock. Since I have the original Chinese grease gun it is not a problem. Compare d to the western standard it is far more time consuming but, IMHO, much more reliable. Will try to get a photo of that location and post it. Chang Driver has given a recommendation for Aeroshell Grease 6 which is probably acceptable for most general applications but is NOT recommended fo r wheel bearings. Check out the link he included to the Aeroshell website. Since I get involved with CJ prop. overhaul on occasion I would not use Grease 6 there as well. Aeroshell Grease 5 is my recommendation for everything on the aircraft. If you can find a Russian, Chinese or Polish grease gun buy one. Much better than the push type also recommended. Get on to Doug Sapp's case an d tell him to import some. Cheers; Walt -----Original Message----- From: Harv Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 7:49 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting Thanks I'm happy to stick with the Chinese nipple (ahem) if I can find a fitting Thanks for recommendation re grease Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466349#466349 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:13 PM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting More; Only two (each MLG) not replaced with Western standard. First photo is the one referenced by Justin. Second location has the potential for interference in the up cycle if replaced with Western. May be OK and I can't remember for sure what the actual problem was but decided better safe than sorry. Walt -----Original Message----- From: Walter Lannon Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting Harv, et al; I have replaced the Russian/Chinese/Polish grease fittings with Western in all locations except for two on each MLG. One of these locations has been identified by Justin Drafts. This one, as he has noted, is critical. The second is far less obvious. It has been some time since I did this so my memory may be suspect but I think this one required a 45 (or 90?) deg. fitting which would only work in one radial position without contacting other structure and could only be detected by hand swinging the gear with the doors off. I concluded this could become a problem at a future fitting replacement without realizing the position was critical and decided to remain stock. Since I have the original Chinese grease gun it is not a problem. Compared to the western standard it is far more time consuming but, IMHO, much more reliable. Will try to get a photo of that location and post it. Chang Driver has given a recommendation for Aeroshell Grease 6 which is probably acceptable for most general applications but is NOT recommended for wheel bearings. Check out the link he included to the Aeroshell website. Since I get involved with CJ prop. overhaul on occasion I would not use Grease 6 there as well. Aeroshell Grease 5 is my recommendation for everything on the aircraft. If you can find a Russian, Chinese or Polish grease gun buy one. Much better than the push type also recommended. Get on to Doug Sapp's case and tell him to import some. Cheers; Walt -----Original Message----- From: Harv Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 7:49 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting Thanks I'm happy to stick with the Chinese nipple (ahem) if I can find a fitting Thanks for recommendation re grease Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466349#466349 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:51 PM PST US From: doug sapp Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting Another problem point is on the nose gear bracket, if the threaded (grip length) of the zerk is to long it will bind up the nose gear brass bushing, making steering difficult or impossible. Doug On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Walter Lannon wrote: > More; > > Only two (each MLG) not replaced with Western standard. > First photo is the one referenced by Justin. Second location has the > potential for interference in the up cycle if replaced with Western. > May be OK and I can't remember for sure what the actual problem was but > decided better safe than sorry. > > Walt > > -----Original Message----- From: Walter Lannon > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:47 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting > > > Harv, et al; > > I have replaced the Russian/Chinese/Polish grease fittings with Western in > all locations except for two on each MLG. > One of these locations has been identified by Justin Drafts. This one, as > he has noted, is critical. The second is far less obvious. It has been > some > time since I did this so my memory may be suspect but I think this one > required a 45 (or 90?) deg. fitting which would only work in one radial > position > without contacting other structure and could only be detected by hand > swinging the gear with the doors off. > I concluded this could become a problem at a future fitting replacement > without realizing the position was critical and decided to remain stock. > > Since I have the original Chinese grease gun it is not a problem. > Compared > to the western standard it is far more time consuming but, IMHO, much more > reliable. > > Will try to get a photo of that location and post it. > > Chang Driver has given a recommendation for Aeroshell Grease 6 which is > probably acceptable for most general applications but is NOT recommended > for > wheel bearings. Check out the link he included to the Aeroshell website. > Since I get involved with CJ prop. overhaul on occasion I would not use > Grease 6 there as well. Aeroshell Grease 5 is my recommendation for > everything on the aircraft. > > If you can find a Russian, Chinese or Polish grease gun buy one. Much > better than the push type also recommended. Get on to Doug Sapp's case > and > tell him to import some. > > Cheers; > Walt > > > -----Original Message----- From: Harv > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 7:49 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Cj6 grease nipple fitting > > > Thanks > > I'm happy to stick with the Chinese nipple (ahem) if I can find a fitting > > Thanks for recommendation re grease > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466349#466349 > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:06 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Control surfaces fabric recovering From: "stephen.hayne" I just finished STITS from Aircraft Spruce, and it cost about $750 including the PolyTone "paint" (which was almost the most expensive part). Here is what I initially bought: Qty Ship B/O Item Unit Price Total Price 2 2 0 09-18400 RIB STITCH NEEDLE 4" STRAIGHT # 504 1.450 2.90 1 1 0 09-02450 STITS PINKED P103 2" TAPE 25YD 23.200 23.20 2 2 0 09-03206 3" CURVED NEEDLE 1.120 2.24 2 2 0 09-03204 2" CURVED NEEDLE 0.950 1.90 2 2 0 09-18300 RIB STITCH NEEDLE 2-1/2" CURVD 1.100 2.20 2 2 0 09-18500 RIB STITCH NEEDLE 10" # 504 3.450 6.90 1 1 0 09-18710 RIB STITCH NEEDLE 6" CURVED 2.650 2.65 1 1 0 09-18705 RIB STITCH NEEDLE 3" CURVED 1.200 1.20 1 1 0 09-02900 POLY-FIBER P-103 3" TAPE 25YD 27.800 27.80 1 1 0 09-03600 STITS REINFORCING TAPE 3/8 56.600 56.60 1 0 1 09-41300-1 CECONITE RIB LACE CORD D693 RD 45.500 0.00 1 1 0 09-00234 POLY-FIBER COLOR CHART # 50 0.000 0.00 5 5 0 09-01600 POLY-FIBER FABRIC MEDIUM 73" 2.97 OZ 11.950 59.575 2 0 2 09-04850 POLY-FIBER REDUCER RR8500 GAL 48.500 0.00 1 1 0 09-04500 POLY-FIBER POLY-SPRAY GALLON 83.600 83.60 1 1 0 09-04100 POLY-BRUSH QT. TINTED 25.750 25.75 1 1 0 09-05000 POLY-FIBER POLY-TAK CEMENT QT 27.500 27.50 I ran out of Poly-Tak and Ply-Spray and had to borrow some from a friend. Didn't use ANY of the needles except the straight one. Lots of tape, thread and reducer left. I then bought a gallon of the Poly-Tone (clear) and had it tinted locally to match the Chinese Olive Drab - fairly good match. Didn't try to paint the underside different. Still have 1/2 gallon of the clear Polytone left, as I only mixed up a couple quarts of color. I had never done this before, and it took about 3 weeks of afternoons... I'm fairly satisfied with the job, but I got progressively better. Next time would be almost professional. I'm pretty sure it is safe. :) Attached is a pic of them - didn't get the elevators in there very well. Hope this helps. Stephen -------- - Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University __!__ _____(_)_____ 666CJ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466408#466408 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20161230_153029_794.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.