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1. 02:35 AM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Richard Goode)
2. 05:07 AM - Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Vic)
3. 05:54 AM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Richard Goode)
4. 06:52 AM - Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Vic)
5. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (doug sapp)
6. 08:16 AM - Selling my CJ (Ernest Martinez)
7. 10:22 AM - Air Tank Cocktail (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
8. 10:32 AM - Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Harv)
9. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Larry Pine)
10. 12:00 PM - Re: Selling my CJ (William Geipel)
11. 12:27 PM - Re: Selling my CJ (Ernest Martinez)
12. 12:44 PM - Re: Selling my CJ (William Geipel)
13. 01:17 PM - Re: Selling my CJ (Greg Wrobel)
14. 01:45 PM - Re: Selling my CJ (Ernest Martinez)
15. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Mark Davis)
16. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Robin Hou)
17. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (A. Dennis Savarese)
18. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Ernest Martinez)
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| Subject: | Re: Air Tank Cocktail |
I am no expert in these matters, but is it a good idea to have a mixture of
grease, presumably slightly inflammable, with very high pressure air?
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic
Sent: 03 March 2017 03:08
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
Whats good about glycerin when you expect to get water in the tank ?? That
will be washed away soon and be gone. You want rust protection, no ? We use
real sticky chain lube from spray cans, let the thinner in it dry before
assembly and no rust for years.
Vic
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| Subject: | Re: Air Tank Cocktail |
Richard,
I suggested having the thinner dried before assembling the system. High pressure
- 50 bar ?? Or else, injecting pure alcohol into the system not flammable ??
Vic
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| Subject: | Re: Air Tank Cocktail |
Good point - but I do know that highly compressed air and anything flammable
is not a great idea!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
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Sent: 03 March 2017 13:04
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
Richard,
I suggested having the thinner dried before assembling the system. High
pressure - 50 bar ?? Or else, injecting pure alcohol into the system not
flammable ??
Vic
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| Subject: | Re: Air Tank Cocktail |
Richard,
dont confuse (mildly) compressed air with pure oxygen. I would definitely NOT advise
grease or some such in oxygen cylinders. But simple grease or oil is not
easy to ignite, like in Diesels. Youd require a LOT more pressure plus temperature
to get the bang. Anybody operating his Diesel will know , even more so in
winter times. No, I dont see any problem here, never had any since ten years
with chain grease in the tank. But then, we never had any visible water there
too, in the 18 T. Dunno, why not . . .
Vic
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| Subject: | Re: Air Tank Cocktail |
Gents,
Both Glycerin and alcohol are humectants, meaning that they absorb
moisture. The "cocktail" is fully described in the manual, which most of
us have but for some reason fail to read.
Castor oil is also used in the pneumatic system, and is VERY effective in
stopping the tiny leaks which plague us all on occasion. It too is covered
in the manual.
Best,
Doug
On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Richard Goode <
richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
> richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>
> I am no expert in these matters, but is it a good idea to have a mixture
of
> grease, presumably slightly inflammable, with very high pressure air?
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
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> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic
> Sent: 03 March 2017 03:08
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> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
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> What=C2=B4s good about glycerin when you expect to get water in the tank
?? That
> will be washed away soon and be gone. You want rust protection, no ? We u
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> real sticky chain lube from spray cans, let the thinner in it dry before
> assembly and no rust for years.
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I'm selling my CJ. Fly away condition. Nice tight stock airplane. $65k.
Contact me off list.
Ernie
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| Subject: | Air Tank Cocktail |
The subject of what to mix up and put in the pneumatic system has been an on-again,
off-again topic for decades now. It seems that everyone has their own idea
of "extra ingredients" that can be added to make it even better. I respect
the fact that Jon is actually ASKING about "tool oil" here, and not just doing
it out of hand because someone else suggested it. For the record, I followed
lots of advice when I first purchased my Russian aircraft one of which was
adding pneumatic tool oil to the mixture of "stuff" to blow into the pneumatic
system. The result was a total failure of the chevron seals in the landing gear
actuators. Were they old to begin with? Yes they were. However, adding
that tool oil was without a doubt the catalyst that led to their demise and I
was just lucky that I didn't end up becoming a statistic.
Experimental aircraft owners have a lot of latitude on what they can do with their
airplanes but I would suggest caution when implementing ideas that are not
covered in the maintenance manuals.
Mark
p.s. Jon, don't add any "tool oil" or anything else that will end up being blown
through the aircrafts pneumatic system. Instead stick to the plan. The one
the people who made the airplane recommend.
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Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 7:01 PM
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Air Tank Cocktail
I'm rinsing my main air tank.
I have glycerin from Doug, but how much of that and how much alcohol and what kind
of alcohol goes in? Mixed together or just put them in and let them work it
out?
Also, put a little tool oil in the main tank or no?
Thanks,
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Air Tank Cocktail |
I believe the manual also mentions applying varnish to protect from rust.
Once the tanks are rust free and clean could a simple 2k clear lacquer be applied
(or something like POR15) with a sloshing action and then drained and allowed
to cure, once coated rust won't form..?
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| Subject: | Re: Air Tank Cocktail |
There is a lot of opinions on this.=C2-=C2- I did the same inspection d
uring my last 100hr and I believe Doug Sapp suggested pure Castor oil.=C2
- That is what I did, but I'm sure others used all sorts of stuff.Larry P
ine
From: Harv <martin.harvey@kbr.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 10:31 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
I believe the manual also mentions applying varnish to protect from rust.
Once the=C2- tanks are rust free and clean could a simple 2k clear lacque
r be applied (or something like POR15) with a sloshing action and then drai
ned and allowed to cure, once coated rust won't form..?
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| Subject: | Re: Selling my CJ |
Then what will you fly?
> On Mar 3, 2017, at 09:14, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I'm selling my CJ. Fly away condition. Nice tight stock airplane. $65k. Contact
me off list.
>
> Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Selling my CJ |
A Broom :)
On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:55 PM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Then what will you fly?
>
> > On Mar 3, 2017, at 09:14, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm selling my CJ. Fly away condition. Nice tight stock airplane. $65k.
> Contact me off list.
> >
> > Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Selling my CJ |
Two seater I hope. Must not forget Ms. Mary.
> On Mar 3, 2017, at 13:24, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
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> A Broom :)
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:55 PM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com
<mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>> wrote:
<mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
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> Then what will you fly?
>
> > On Mar 3, 2017, at 09:14, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com
<mailto:erniel29@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> > I'm selling my CJ. Fly away condition. Nice tight stock airplane.
$65k. Contact me off list.
> >
> > Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Selling my CJ |
Ernie, if u sell your CJ, who is going to keep us entertained at Swamp
Thunder. The local police will not have anything to do if they are looking
for you when you are AOL from the morning briefs. Who is going to close
down all the bars every night? The brass pole dancer at the pool table
won't have anyone to buy her drinks. Who are we going to pick on because of
their LSD beliefs (Liberal, Socialist, Democrats). Don't sell your
airplane, we're gonna miss you!!!!
On Mar 3, 2017 15:46, "William Geipel" <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
> Two seater I hope. Must not forget Ms. Mary.
>
> On Mar 3, 2017, at 13:24, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
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> A Broom :)
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> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:55 PM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Then what will you fly?
>>
>> > On Mar 3, 2017, at 09:14, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > I'm selling my CJ. Fly away condition. Nice tight stock airplane. $65k.
>> Contact me off list.
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| Subject: | Re: Selling my CJ |
First of all I don't appreciate all the falsehoods mentioned here.....I'm
not a Liberal :)
On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ernie, if u sell your CJ, who is going to keep us entertained at Swamp
> Thunder. The local police will not have anything to do if they are looking
> for you when you are AOL from the morning briefs. Who is going to close
> down all the bars every night? The brass pole dancer at the pool table
> won't have anyone to buy her drinks. Who are we going to pick on because of
> their LSD beliefs (Liberal, Socialist, Democrats). Don't sell your
> airplane, we're gonna miss you!!!!
>
> On Mar 3, 2017 15:46, "William Geipel" <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Two seater I hope. Must not forget Ms. Mary.
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2017, at 13:24, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> A Broom :)
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:55 PM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Then what will you fly?
>>>
>>> > On Mar 3, 2017, at 09:14, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I'm selling my CJ. Fly away condition. Nice tight stock airplane.
>>> $65k. Contact me off list.
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| Subject: | Re: Air Tank Cocktail |
Harv,
Anything that can harden can fracture. I'd be worried about fractured
bits moving through the system that wouldn't be friendly to the actuators
and cylinders or start system. Whatever gunk forms in the system seems to
be carried out with an occasional dose of glycerine/alcohol in my system.
I've even cured a leaking actuator in my landing gear before by giving it a
shot of glycerine/alcohol. The handful of snot in my hand after cycling the
gear a few times must've had the culprit mixed in with it. That's my
experience, YMMV.
Mark Davis
N44YK
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harv
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 11:31 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
I believe the manual also mentions applying varnish to protect from rust.
Once the tanks are rust free and clean could a simple 2k clear lacquer be
applied (or something like POR15) with a sloshing action and then drained
and allowed to cure, once coated rust won't form..?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466831#466831
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| Subject: | Re: Air Tank Cocktail |
Since the subject of this post has drifted to main tank rust prevention, I
always wonder if adding an additional stainless steel compress air/water
filter from Doug Sapp to the main tank outlet would help the entire system
stay clean?
Do you see any down side to this idea (other then the added cost and
maintenance which are fairly minimum)?
On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
> Harv,
> Anything that can harden can fracture. I'd be worried about fractured
> bits moving through the system that wouldn't be friendly to the actuators
> and cylinders or start system. Whatever gunk forms in the system seems to
> be carried out with an occasional dose of glycerine/alcohol in my system.
> I've even cured a leaking actuator in my landing gear before by giving it a
> shot of glycerine/alcohol. The handful of snot in my hand after cycling
> the
> gear a few times must've had the culprit mixed in with it. That's my
> experience, YMMV.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harv
> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 11:31 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
>
>
> I believe the manual also mentions applying varnish to protect from rust.
>
> Once the tanks are rust free and clean could a simple 2k clear lacquer be
> applied (or something like POR15) with a sloshing action and then drained
> and allowed to cure, once coated rust won't form..?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466831#466831
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| Subject: | Re: Air Tank Cocktail |
I guess you could put one on the output side as well. But because the
compressor on the CJ fills both the main and emergency bottles, you
should really put one on the output of both tanks.
The way the moisture gets into the tank in the first place is from the
compressor.That's why putting Doug's SS filter on the input to the tank
is the best thing you can do...stop the moisture to the maximum extent
possible from entering the two tanks.
Dennis
On 3/3/2017 7:23 PM, Robin Hou wrote:
> Since the subject of this post has drifted to main tank rust
> prevention, I always wonder if adding an additional stainless steel
> compress air/water filter from Doug Sapp to the main tank outlet would
> help the entire system stay clean?
>
> Do you see any down side to this idea (other then the added cost and
> maintenance which are fairly minimum)?
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org
> <mailto:markdavis@wbsnet.org>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:markdavis@wbsnet.org>>
>
> Harv,
> Anything that can harden can fracture. I'd be worried about
> fractured
> bits moving through the system that wouldn't be friendly to the
> actuators
> and cylinders or start system. Whatever gunk forms in the system
> seems to
> be carried out with an occasional dose of glycerine/alcohol in my
> system.
> I've even cured a leaking actuator in my landing gear before by
> giving it a
> shot of glycerine/alcohol. The handful of snot in my hand after
> cycling the
> gear a few times must've had the culprit mixed in with it. That's my
> experience, YMMV.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
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> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Harv
> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 11:31 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
>
> <mailto:martin.harvey@kbr.com>>
>
> I believe the manual also mentions applying varnish to protect
> from rust.
>
> Once the tanks are rust free and clean could a simple 2k clear
> lacquer be
> applied (or something like POR15) with a sloshing action and then
> drained
> and allowed to cure, once coated rust won't form..?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466831#466831
> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466831#466831>
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| Subject: | Re: Air Tank Cocktail |
It's also important to have a tight air system. In a normally operating
system the air compressor will charge up the air system up to operating
pressure and then that air remains static in the plumbing, while the
remaining air being produced by the compressor just blows by the pressure
regulator prior to the desiccant. But if you ignore a leaky air valve or
actuator, then you end up with air constantly flowing through your system
very rapidly depleting the moisture absorbing capacity of your desiccant
which then leads to very wet air flowing through your air system from it's
point of origin at the compressor to where it ultimately finds it's way out
at the leak.
This can happen very rapidly with a sufficient leak. If you feel moisture
on your hand when you actuate your flaps or gear, thats water blowing out
of the exhaust port, and means you have water in your system and your
desiccant is dead.
Ernie
On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 8:48 PM, A. Dennis Savarese <
dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> I guess you could put one on the output side as well. But because the
> compressor on the CJ fills both the main and emergency bottles, you should
> really put one on the output of both tanks.
>
> The way the moisture gets into the tank in the first place is from the
> compressor.That's why putting Doug's SS filter on the input to the tank is
> the best thing you can do...stop the moisture to the maximum extent
> possible from entering the two tanks.
> Dennis
>
>
> On 3/3/2017 7:23 PM, Robin Hou wrote:
>
>> Since the subject of this post has drifted to main tank rust prevention,
>> I always wonder if adding an additional stainless steel compress air/water
>> filter from Doug Sapp to the main tank outlet would help the entire system
>> stay clean?
>>
>> Do you see any down side to this idea (other then the added cost and
>> maintenance which are fairly minimum)?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org <mailto:
>> markdavis@wbsnet.org>> wrote:
>>
>> <mailto:markdavis@wbsnet.org>>
>>
>> Harv,
>> Anything that can harden can fracture. I'd be worried about
>> fractured
>> bits moving through the system that wouldn't be friendly to the
>> actuators
>> and cylinders or start system. Whatever gunk forms in the system
>> seems to
>> be carried out with an occasional dose of glycerine/alcohol in my
>> system.
>> I've even cured a leaking actuator in my landing gear before by
>> giving it a
>> shot of glycerine/alcohol. The handful of snot in my hand after
>> cycling the
>> gear a few times must've had the culprit mixed in with it. That's my
>> experience, YMMV.
>>
>> Mark Davis
>> N44YK
>>
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>> I believe the manual also mentions applying varnish to protect
>> from rust.
>>
>> Once the tanks are rust free and clean could a simple 2k clear
>> lacquer be
>> applied (or something like POR15) with a sloshing action and then
>> drained
>> and allowed to cure, once coated rust won't form..?
>>
>>
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