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1. 01:52 AM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 05:39 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 03/03/17 (John B)
3. 12:22 PM - WB Article. (Craig Payne)
4. 03:28 PM - Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Roger Kemp)
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| Subject: | Re: Air Tank Cocktail |
Ernie is absolutely correct in his statement. Good job Ernie pointing
that out.
A. Dennis Savarese
334-546-8182 (mobile)
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Skype - Yakguy1
On 3/3/2017 9:14 PM, Ernest Martinez wrote:
> It's also important to have a tight air system. In a normally
> operating system the air compressor will charge up the air system up
> to operating pressure and then that air remains static in the
> plumbing, while the remaining air being produced by the compressor
> just blows by the pressure regulator prior to the desiccant. But if
> you ignore a leaky air valve or actuator, then you end up with air
> constantly flowing through your system very rapidly depleting the
> moisture absorbing capacity of your desiccant which then leads to very
> wet air flowing through your air system from it's point of origin at
> the compressor to where it ultimately finds it's way out at the leak.
>
> This can happen very rapidly with a sufficient leak. If you feel
> moisture on your hand when you actuate your flaps or gear, thats water
> blowing out of the exhaust port, and means you have water in your
> system and your desiccant is dead.
>
>
> Ernie
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 8:48 PM, A. Dennis Savarese
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>
>
> I guess you could put one on the output side as well. But because
> the compressor on the CJ fills both the main and emergency
> bottles, you should really put one on the output of both tanks.
>
> The way the moisture gets into the tank in the first place is from
> the compressor.That's why putting Doug's SS filter on the input to
> the tank is the best thing you can do...stop the moisture to the
> maximum extent possible from entering the two tanks.
> Dennis
>
>
> On 3/3/2017 7:23 PM, Robin Hou wrote:
>
> Since the subject of this post has drifted to main tank rust
> prevention, I always wonder if adding an additional stainless
> steel compress air/water filter from Doug Sapp to the main
> tank outlet would help the entire system stay clean?
>
> Do you see any down side to this idea (other then the added
> cost and maintenance which are fairly minimum)?
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Mark Davis
> <markdavis@wbsnet.org <mailto:markdavis@wbsnet.org>
> <mailto:markdavis@wbsnet.org <mailto:markdavis@wbsnet.org>>>
> wrote:
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> <markdavis@wbsnet.org <mailto:markdavis@wbsnet.org>
> <mailto:markdavis@wbsnet.org <mailto:markdavis@wbsnet.org>>>
>
> Harv,
> Anything that can harden can fracture. I'd be
> worried about
> fractured
> bits moving through the system that wouldn't be friendly
> to the
> actuators
> and cylinders or start system. Whatever gunk forms in the
> system
> seems to
> be carried out with an occasional dose of
> glycerine/alcohol in my
> system.
> I've even cured a leaking actuator in my landing gear
> before by
> giving it a
> shot of glycerine/alcohol. The handful of snot in my hand
> after
> cycling the
> gear a few times must've had the culprit mixed in with it.
> That's my
> experience, YMMV.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
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> I believe the manual also mentions applying varnish to protect
> from rust.
>
> Once the tanks are rust free and clean could a simple 2k
> clear
> lacquer be
> applied (or something like POR15) with a sloshing action
> and then
> drained
> and allowed to cure, once coated rust won't form..?
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Shower-of-sparks: How do these work? How are they tested? Is there a
Western replacement for the original units?
They all seem to be mounted behind the firewall. Can the unit be relocated
where it is more easily accessed?
John B
Yak 55M
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> 1. 02:35 AM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Richard Goode)
> 2. 05:07 AM - Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Vic)
> 3. 05:54 AM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Richard Goode)
> 4. 06:52 AM - Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Vic)
> 5. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (doug sapp)
> 6. 08:16 AM - Selling my CJ (Ernest Martinez)
> 7. 10:22 AM - Air Tank Cocktail (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
> 8. 10:32 AM - Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Harv)
> 9. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Larry Pine)
> 10. 12:00 PM - Re: Selling my CJ (William Geipel)
> 11. 12:27 PM - Re: Selling my CJ (Ernest Martinez)
> 12. 12:44 PM - Re: Selling my CJ (William Geipel)
> 13. 01:17 PM - Re: Selling my CJ (Greg Wrobel)
> 14. 01:45 PM - Re: Selling my CJ (Ernest Martinez)
> 15. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Mark Davis)
> 16. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Robin Hou)
> 17. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 18. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Air Tank Cocktail (Ernest Martinez)
>
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 02:35:18 AM PST US
> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
>
>
> I am no expert in these matters, but is it a good idea to have a mixture of
> grease, presumably slightly inflammable, with very high pressure air?
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic
> Sent: 03 March 2017 03:08
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
>
>
> Whats good about glycerin when you expect to get water in the tank ?? That
> will be washed away soon and be gone. You want rust protection, no ? We use
> real sticky chain lube from spray cans, let the thinner in it dry before
> assembly and no rust for years.
>
> Vic
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> Time: 05:07:14 AM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
> From: "Vic" <vicmolnar@aol.com>
>
>
> Richard,
> I suggested having the thinner dried before assembling the system. High
> pressure
> - 50 bar ?? Or else, injecting pure alcohol into the system not flammable
> ??
>
> Vic
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466820#466820
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> Time: 05:54:28 AM PST US
> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
>
>
> Good point - but I do know that highly compressed air and anything
> flammable
> is not a great idea!
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic
> Sent: 03 March 2017 13:04
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
>
>
> Richard,
> I suggested having the thinner dried before assembling the system. High
> pressure - 50 bar ?? Or else, injecting pure alcohol into the system not
> flammable ??
>
> Vic
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466820#466820
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> Time: 06:52:00 AM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
> From: "Vic" <vicmolnar@aol.com>
>
>
> Richard,
> dont confuse (mildly) compressed air with pure oxygen. I would definitely
> NOT advise
> grease or some such in oxygen cylinders. But simple grease or oil is not
> easy to ignite, like in Diesels. Youd require a LOT more pressure plus
> temperature
> to get the bang. Anybody operating his Diesel will know , even more so in
> winter times. No, I dont see any problem here, never had any since ten
> years
> with chain grease in the tank. But then, we never had any visible water
> there
> too, in the 18 T. Dunno, why not . . .
>
> Vic
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 07:22:44 AM PST US
> From: doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
>
> Gents,
> Both Glycerin and alcohol are humectants, meaning that they absorb
> moisture. The "cocktail" is fully described in the manual, which most of
> us have but for some reason fail to read.
>
> Castor oil is also used in the pneumatic system, and is VERY effective in
> stopping the tiny leaks which plague us all on occasion. It too is covered
> in the manual.
>
> Best,
> Doug
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Richard Goode <
> richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
>
> > richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> >
> > I am no expert in these matters, but is it a good idea to have a mixture
> of
> > grease, presumably slightly inflammable, with very high pressure air?
> >
> >
> > Richard Goode Aerobatics
> > Rhodds Farm
> > Lyonshall
> > Hereford
> > HR5 3LW
> >
> > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> > www.russianaeros.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic
> > Sent: 03 March 2017 03:08
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
> >
> >
> > What=C2=B4s good about glycerin when you expect to get water in the tank
> ?? That
> > will be washed away soon and be gone. You want rust protection, no ? We u
> se
> > real sticky chain lube from spray cans, let the thinner in it dry before
> > assembly and no rust for years.
> >
> > Vic
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466817#466817
> >
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> Time: 08:16:51 AM PST US
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Selling my CJ
>
> I'm selling my CJ. Fly away condition. Nice tight stock airplane. $65k.
> Contact me off list.
>
> Ernie
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 10:22:26 AM PST US
> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> Subject: Yak-List: Air Tank Cocktail
>
>
> The subject of what to mix up and put in the pneumatic system has been an
> on-again,
> off-again topic for decades now. It seems that everyone has their own idea
> of "extra ingredients" that can be added to make it even better. I
> respect
> the fact that Jon is actually ASKING about "tool oil" here, and not just
> doing
> it out of hand because someone else suggested it. For the record, I
> followed
> lots of advice when I first purchased my Russian aircraft one of which was
> adding pneumatic tool oil to the mixture of "stuff" to blow into the
> pneumatic
> system. The result was a total failure of the chevron seals in the
> landing gear
> actuators. Were they old to begin with? Yes they were. However, adding
> that tool oil was without a doubt the catalyst that led to their demise
> and I
> was just lucky that I didn't end up becoming a statistic.
>
> Experimental aircraft owners have a lot of latitude on what they can do
> with their
> airplanes but I would suggest caution when implementing ideas that are not
> covered in the maintenance manuals.
>
> Mark
>
> p.s. Jon, don't add any "tool oil" or anything else that will end up
> being blown
> through the aircrafts pneumatic system. Instead stick to the plan. The
> one
> the people who made the airplane recommend.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@
> matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 7:01 PM
> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Air Tank Cocktail
>
>
> I'm rinsing my main air tank.
>
> I have glycerin from Doug, but how much of that and how much alcohol and
> what kind
> of alcohol goes in? Mixed together or just put them in and let them work it
> out?
>
> Also, put a little tool oil in the main tank or no?
>
> Thanks,
> Jon
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 10:32:35 AM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
> From: "Harv" <martin.harvey@kbr.com>
>
>
> I believe the manual also mentions applying varnish to protect from rust.
>
> Once the tanks are rust free and clean could a simple 2k clear lacquer be
> applied
> (or something like POR15) with a sloshing action and then drained and
> allowed
> to cure, once coated rust won't form..?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466831#466831
>
>
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> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 11:03:22 AM PST US
> From: Larry Pine <threein60@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
>
> There is a lot of opinions on this.=C2-=C2- I did the same inspection d
> uring my last 100hr and I believe Doug Sapp suggested pure Castor oil.=C2
> - That is what I did, but I'm sure others used all sorts of stuff.Larry P
> ine
>
> From: Harv <martin.harvey@kbr.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 10:31 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
>
>
> I believe the manual also mentions applying varnish to protect from rust.
>
> Once the=C2- tanks are rust free and clean could a simple 2k clear lacque
> r be applied (or something like POR15) with a sloshing action and then drai
> ned and allowed to cure, once coated rust won't form..?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466831#466831
>
>
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> Time: 12:00:09 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Selling my CJ
> From: William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>
>
>
> Then what will you fly?
>
> > On Mar 3, 2017, at 09:14, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm selling my CJ. Fly away condition. Nice tight stock airplane. $65k.
> Contact
> me off list.
> >
> > Ernie
>
>
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>
> Time: 12:27:31 PM PST US
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Selling my CJ
>
> A Broom :)
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:55 PM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Then what will you fly?
> >
> > > On Mar 3, 2017, at 09:14, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm selling my CJ. Fly away condition. Nice tight stock airplane. $65k.
> > Contact me off list.
> > >
> > > Ernie
> >
> >
>
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> Time: 12:44:00 PM PST US
> From: William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Selling my CJ
>
> Two seater I hope. Must not forget Ms. Mary.
>
> > On Mar 3, 2017, at 13:24, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > A Broom :)
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:55 PM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com
> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>> wrote:
> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
> >
> > Then what will you fly?
> >
> > > On Mar 3, 2017, at 09:14, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com
> <mailto:erniel29@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm selling my CJ. Fly away condition. Nice tight stock airplane.
> $65k. Contact me off list.
> > >
> > > Ernie
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> From: Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Selling my CJ
>
> Ernie, if u sell your CJ, who is going to keep us entertained at Swamp
> Thunder. The local police will not have anything to do if they are looking
> for you when you are AOL from the morning briefs. Who is going to close
> down all the bars every night? The brass pole dancer at the pool table
> won't have anyone to buy her drinks. Who are we going to pick on because of
> their LSD beliefs (Liberal, Socialist, Democrats). Don't sell your
> airplane, we're gonna miss you!!!!
>
> On Mar 3, 2017 15:46, "William Geipel" <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Two seater I hope. Must not forget Ms. Mary.
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2017, at 13:24, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > A Broom :)
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:55 PM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Then what will you fly?
> >>
> >> > On Mar 3, 2017, at 09:14, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm selling my CJ. Fly away condition. Nice tight stock airplane.
> $65k.
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> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:45:32 PM PST US
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Selling my CJ
>
> First of all I don't appreciate all the falsehoods mentioned here.....I'm
> not a Liberal :)
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ernie, if u sell your CJ, who is going to keep us entertained at Swamp
> > Thunder. The local police will not have anything to do if they are
> looking
> > for you when you are AOL from the morning briefs. Who is going to close
> > down all the bars every night? The brass pole dancer at the pool table
> > won't have anyone to buy her drinks. Who are we going to pick on because
> of
> > their LSD beliefs (Liberal, Socialist, Democrats). Don't sell your
> > airplane, we're gonna miss you!!!!
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2017 15:46, "William Geipel" <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Two seater I hope. Must not forget Ms. Mary.
> >>
> >> On Mar 3, 2017, at 13:24, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> A Broom :)
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:55 PM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Then what will you fly?
> >>>
> >>> > On Mar 3, 2017, at 09:14, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm selling my CJ. Fly away condition. Nice tight stock airplane.
> >>> $65k. Contact me off list.
> >>> >
> >>> > Ernie
> >>>
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> Time: 01:55:41 PM PST US
> From: "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
>
>
> Harv,
> Anything that can harden can fracture. I'd be worried about fractured
> bits moving through the system that wouldn't be friendly to the actuators
> and cylinders or start system. Whatever gunk forms in the system seems to
> be carried out with an occasional dose of glycerine/alcohol in my system.
> I've even cured a leaking actuator in my landing gear before by giving it a
> shot of glycerine/alcohol. The handful of snot in my hand after cycling
> the
> gear a few times must've had the culprit mixed in with it. That's my
> experience, YMMV.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harv
> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 11:31 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
>
>
> I believe the manual also mentions applying varnish to protect from rust.
>
> Once the tanks are rust free and clean could a simple 2k clear lacquer be
> applied (or something like POR15) with a sloshing action and then drained
> and allowed to cure, once coated rust won't form..?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466831#466831
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:25:23 PM PST US
> From: Robin Hou <rhou780@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
>
> Since the subject of this post has drifted to main tank rust prevention, I
> always wonder if adding an additional stainless steel compress air/water
> filter from Doug Sapp to the main tank outlet would help the entire system
> stay clean?
>
> Do you see any down side to this idea (other then the added cost and
> maintenance which are fairly minimum)?
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > Harv,
> > Anything that can harden can fracture. I'd be worried about
> fractured
> > bits moving through the system that wouldn't be friendly to the actuators
> > and cylinders or start system. Whatever gunk forms in the system seems
> to
> > be carried out with an occasional dose of glycerine/alcohol in my system.
> > I've even cured a leaking actuator in my landing gear before by giving
> it a
> > shot of glycerine/alcohol. The handful of snot in my hand after cycling
> > the
> > gear a few times must've had the culprit mixed in with it. That's my
> > experience, YMMV.
> >
> > Mark Davis
> > N44YK
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harv
> > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 11:31 AM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
> >
> >
> > I believe the manual also mentions applying varnish to protect from rust.
> >
> > Once the tanks are rust free and clean could a simple 2k clear lacquer
> be
> > applied (or something like POR15) with a sloshing action and then drained
> > and allowed to cure, once coated rust won't form..?
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466831#466831
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 17
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:57:10 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> I guess you could put one on the output side as well. But because the
> compressor on the CJ fills both the main and emergency bottles, you
> should really put one on the output of both tanks.
>
> The way the moisture gets into the tank in the first place is from the
> compressor.That's why putting Doug's SS filter on the input to the tank
> is the best thing you can do...stop the moisture to the maximum extent
> possible from entering the two tanks.
> Dennis
>
>
> On 3/3/2017 7:23 PM, Robin Hou wrote:
> > Since the subject of this post has drifted to main tank rust
> > prevention, I always wonder if adding an additional stainless steel
> > compress air/water filter from Doug Sapp to the main tank outlet would
> > help the entire system stay clean?
> >
> > Do you see any down side to this idea (other then the added cost and
> > maintenance which are fairly minimum)?
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org
> > <mailto:markdavis@wbsnet.org>> wrote:
> >
> > <mailto:markdavis@wbsnet.org>>
> >
> > Harv,
> > Anything that can harden can fracture. I'd be worried about
> > fractured
> > bits moving through the system that wouldn't be friendly to the
> > actuators
> > and cylinders or start system. Whatever gunk forms in the system
> > seems to
> > be carried out with an occasional dose of glycerine/alcohol in my
> > system.
> > I've even cured a leaking actuator in my landing gear before by
> > giving it a
> > shot of glycerine/alcohol. The handful of snot in my hand after
> > cycling the
> > gear a few times must've had the culprit mixed in with it. That's my
> > experience, YMMV.
> >
> > Mark Davis
> > N44YK
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > <mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > <mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Harv
> > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 11:31 AM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
> >
> > <mailto:martin.harvey@kbr.com>>
> >
> > I believe the manual also mentions applying varnish to protect
> > from rust.
> >
> > Once the tanks are rust free and clean could a simple 2k clear
> > lacquer be
> > applied (or something like POR15) with a sloshing action and then
> > drained
> > and allowed to cure, once coated rust won't form..?
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466831#466831
> > <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466831#466831>
> >
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> ________________________________ Message 18
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:19:46 PM PST US
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
>
> It's also important to have a tight air system. In a normally operating
> system the air compressor will charge up the air system up to operating
> pressure and then that air remains static in the plumbing, while the
> remaining air being produced by the compressor just blows by the pressure
> regulator prior to the desiccant. But if you ignore a leaky air valve or
> actuator, then you end up with air constantly flowing through your system
> very rapidly depleting the moisture absorbing capacity of your desiccant
> which then leads to very wet air flowing through your air system from it's
> point of origin at the compressor to where it ultimately finds it's way out
> at the leak.
>
> This can happen very rapidly with a sufficient leak. If you feel moisture
> on your hand when you actuate your flaps or gear, thats water blowing out
> of the exhaust port, and means you have water in your system and your
> desiccant is dead.
>
>
> Ernie
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 8:48 PM, A. Dennis Savarese <
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > I guess you could put one on the output side as well. But because the
> > compressor on the CJ fills both the main and emergency bottles, you
> should
> > really put one on the output of both tanks.
> >
> > The way the moisture gets into the tank in the first place is from the
> > compressor.That's why putting Doug's SS filter on the input to the tank
> is
> > the best thing you can do...stop the moisture to the maximum extent
> > possible from entering the two tanks.
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> > On 3/3/2017 7:23 PM, Robin Hou wrote:
> >
> >> Since the subject of this post has drifted to main tank rust prevention,
> >> I always wonder if adding an additional stainless steel compress
> air/water
> >> filter from Doug Sapp to the main tank outlet would help the entire
> system
> >> stay clean?
> >>
> >> Do you see any down side to this idea (other then the added cost and
> >> maintenance which are fairly minimum)?
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org
> <mailto:
> >> markdavis@wbsnet.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >> <mailto:markdavis@wbsnet.org>>
> >>
> >> Harv,
> >> Anything that can harden can fracture. I'd be worried about
> >> fractured
> >> bits moving through the system that wouldn't be friendly to the
> >> actuators
> >> and cylinders or start system. Whatever gunk forms in the system
> >> seems to
> >> be carried out with an occasional dose of glycerine/alcohol in my
> >> system.
> >> I've even cured a leaking actuator in my landing gear before by
> >> giving it a
> >> shot of glycerine/alcohol. The handful of snot in my hand after
> >> cycling the
> >> gear a few times must've had the culprit mixed in with it. That's my
> >> experience, YMMV.
> >>
> >> Mark Davis
> >> N44YK
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> <mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> <mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Harv
> >> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 11:31 AM
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Tank Cocktail
> >>
> >> <mailto:martin.harvey@kbr.com>>
> >>
> >> I believe the manual also mentions applying varnish to protect
> >> from rust.
> >>
> >> Once the tanks are rust free and clean could a simple 2k clear
> >> lacquer be
> >> applied (or something like POR15) with a sloshing action and then
> >> drained
> >> and allowed to cure, once coated rust won't form..?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466831#466831
> >> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466831#466831>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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About a year ago I did an article for WB mag. Finally got published in
March issue. It "re-introduces" the CJ-6. The reader will be treated to a
Ron Malec photo of a formation lead by Jon Blake (you owe me one). Chris
Dilley took some of the others that were submitted but it's up to the
editors what goes in.
This was part of an on-going effort to publicize these fine aircraft to the
market. BTW, my current CJ is up on Barnstormers for sale. Beat them bushes
and see any buyers shake out, I say.
Pappy, this one's for you bud.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Air Tank Cocktail |
Agree with Mark. Keep tool oil out of the air system. Got that T shirt too.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 3, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
wrote:
>
>
> The subject of what to mix up and put in the pneumatic system has been an on-again,
off-again topic for decades now. It seems that everyone has their own
idea of "extra ingredients" that can be added to make it even better. I respect
the fact that Jon is actually ASKING about "tool oil" here, and not just doing
it out of hand because someone else suggested it. For the record, I followed
lots of advice when I first purchased my Russian aircraft one of which was
adding pneumatic tool oil to the mixture of "stuff" to blow into the pneumatic
system. The result was a total failure of the chevron seals in the landing
gear actuators. Were they old to begin with? Yes they were. However, adding
that tool oil was without a doubt the catalyst that led to their demise and
I was just lucky that I didn't end up becoming a statistic.
>
> Experimental aircraft owners have a lot of latitude on what they can do with
their airplanes but I would suggest caution when implementing ideas that are not
covered in the maintenance manuals.
>
> Mark
>
> p.s. Jon, don't add any "tool oil" or anything else that will end up being blown
through the aircrafts pneumatic system. Instead stick to the plan. The
one the people who made the airplane recommend.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 7:01 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Air Tank Cocktail
>
>
> I'm rinsing my main air tank.
>
> I have glycerin from Doug, but how much of that and how much alcohol and what
kind of alcohol goes in? Mixed together or just put them in and let them work
it out?
>
> Also, put a little tool oil in the main tank or no?
>
> Thanks,
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
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