---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/12/17: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:38 AM - Re: Hi Oil temp (Justin Drafts) 2. 05:08 AM - OSH bound? (cjpilot710@aol.com) 3. 06:23 AM - XP-82 Twin Mustang Project Tour (JON) 4. 08:23 AM - Re: Hi Oil temp (Bill Geipel) 5. 08:48 AM - Re: Hi Oil temp (Robert Graves) 6. 08:52 AM - Re: Hi Oil temp (Ernest Martinez) 7. 08:57 AM - Re: Hi Oil temp (Ernest Martinez) 8. 09:21 AM - Re: Hi Oil temp (JON) 9. 01:41 PM - Re: Hi Oil temp (William Geipel) 10. 01:50 PM - Re: Hi Oil temp (Ernest Martinez) 11. 01:51 PM - Re: Hi Oil temp (Ernest Martinez) 12. 02:00 PM - Re: Hi Oil temp (Greg Wrobel) 13. 02:26 PM - Re: Hi Oil temp (Frank Stelwagon) 14. 02:34 PM - Re: Hi Oil temp (Ernest Martinez) 15. 05:02 PM - Re: Hi Oil temp (William Geipel) 16. 05:04 PM - Re: Hi Oil temp (William Geipel) 17. 05:51 PM - Re: Hi Oil temp (Ernest Martinez) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:15 AM PST US From: Justin Drafts Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp Btw Walt, very glad to hear about the rear gauge reading IN, I didn't know that, thanks- Justin Drafts, N280NC On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Walter Lannon wrote: > > The first thing to consider with a CJ oil temp. question is are you > reading oil IN or oil OUT? > Since it is your second CJ I'm sure you are familiar with the system but > it's possible the switch is incorrectly wired or installed. > Check switch in flight and/or compare with your GIB. Rear gauge is Oil I N. > > Walt > > ----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:03 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp > > > I bought a new CJ. My first airplane oil temp always pretty much stayed > around 50 to 60=C2=B0. On the new plane run 7075 and sometimes a little h igher. > If I open the gills and lower the cylinder head down to to 120 the oil te mp > will stay around 70 but I don't like run the cylinder head that low the n ew > plane is using shell 50W weight and my old plane is using Phillips > multigrade any suggestions > > Sent from my iPhone > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:20 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: OSH bound? If you need a room at OSH, I still have an AIR CONDITION dorm to share with a fellow RPA formation pilot, that I am not going to be able to use. Its paid for already, soooo all or part thereof will be considered Its an easy bus ride to the main gate ALL day from early morning to late. Believe me having a car is a hassle. Nice places to eat near by and the school provides great meals! Plus there is a great EAA hangout bar a short walk away. Leaving today to fly the B-24 for Collings folks until Aug 8. OFF LIST; _cjpilot710@aol.com_ (mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com) cell phone only 386-559-1942 Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:21 AM PST US From: JON Subject: Yak-List: XP-82 Twin Mustang Project Tour Fellow Warbird Enthusiasts, =C2- I am very excited about the RPA's SE Region=99s planned fly out event in Statesboro, GA (KTBR) on 19 AUGUST Wayne Altman arranged an e xceptionally interesting tour of a unique Warbird restoration facility in D ouglas, GA including a meet and greet with renowned vintage aircraft restor er Tom Reilly and a walk around tour of his latest restoration project an X P-82 (see attached). =C2- The op plan is to brief and have the first flight in the air by 1000 with a formation training hop over to Douglas, GA (DQH) for a tour of the XP-82 r estoration facility, then formation training hop back to TBR for a quick lu nch then back to flying. We=99re gonna try to get in maybe three flig hts and wrap up about 1700. There will be plenty of water and soda to drink during the day as well as a $0.50 discount on fuel. If anyone wants to com e in the day before or stay overnight Saturday Wayne blocked rooms at the n earby Holiday Inn express. Ask for the Red Star Pilot=99s discount wh en you call 912-489-4545 to make your reservation. =C2- Here=99s a link to the backstory of the XP-82 Twin Mustang restoratio n project: http://airwingmedia.com/news/2013/north-american-xp-82-twin-must ang-restoration/ =C2- If you plan to attend, let Wayne know at waltman51@comcast.net . =C2- Stay safe my friends, Saber ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:31 AM PST US From: Bill Geipel Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp so do you use In or Out for takeoff oil temp? > On Jul 12, 2017, at 20:35, Justin Drafts wrote: > > Btw Walt, very glad to hear about the rear gauge reading IN, I didn't know that, thanks- > Justin Drafts, N280NC > >> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Walter Lannon wrote: >> >> The first thing to consider with a CJ oil temp. question is are you readi ng oil IN or oil OUT? >> Since it is your second CJ I'm sure you are familiar with the system but i t's possible the switch is incorrectly wired or installed. >> Check switch in flight and/or compare with your GIB. Rear gauge is Oil I N. >> >> Walt >> >> ----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves >> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:03 PM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp >> >> >> I bought a new CJ. My first airplane oil temp always pretty much stayed a round 50 to 60=C2=B0. On the new plane run 7075 and sometimes a little highe r. If I open the gills and lower the cylinder head down to to 120 the oil te mp will stay around 70 but I don't like run the cylinder head that low the n ew plane is using shell 50W weight and my old plane is using Phillips multig rade any suggestions >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ========================= >> List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Yak-List >> ========================= >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========================= >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> ========================= >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n >> ========================= >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:23 AM PST US From: Robert Graves Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp I always use in Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Bill Geipel wrote: > > so do you use In or Out for takeoff oil temp? > >> On Jul 12, 2017, at 20:35, Justin Drafts wrote: >> >> Btw Walt, very glad to hear about the rear gauge reading IN, I didn't kno w that, thanks- >> Justin Drafts, N280NC >> >>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Walter Lannon wrote: >>> >>> The first thing to consider with a CJ oil temp. question is are you read ing oil IN or oil OUT? >>> Since it is your second CJ I'm sure you are familiar with the system but it's possible the switch is incorrectly wired or installed. >>> Check switch in flight and/or compare with your GIB. Rear gauge is Oil I N. >>> >>> Walt >>> >>> ----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:03 PM >>> To: yak-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp >>> >>> >>> I bought a new CJ. My first airplane oil temp always pretty much stayed a round 50 to 60=C2=B0. On the new plane run 7075 and sometimes a little highe r. If I open the gills and lower the cylinder head down to to 120 the oil te mp will stay around 70 but I don't like run the cylinder head that low the n ew plane is using shell 50W weight and my old plane is using Phillips multig rade any suggestions >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> ======================== =========== >>> List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Yak-List >>> ======================== =========== >>> FORUMS - >>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ======================== =========== >>> WIKI - >>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >>> ======================== =========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on >>> ======================== =========== >>> >>> >>> >> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:32 AM PST US From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp Generall Speaking they're relative. From a trend monitoring standpoint, OUT will give you a more direct indication engine performance. On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:32 AM Bill Geipel wrote: > so do you use In or Out for takeoff oil temp? > > On Jul 12, 2017, at 20:35, Justin Drafts wrote: > > Btw Walt, very glad to hear about the rear gauge reading IN, I didn't kno w > that, thanks- > Justin Drafts, N280NC > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Walter Lannon wrote: > >> >> The first thing to consider with a CJ oil temp. question is are you >> reading oil IN or oil OUT? >> Since it is your second CJ I'm sure you are familiar with the system but >> it's possible the switch is incorrectly wired or installed. >> Check switch in flight and/or compare with your GIB. Rear gauge is Oil >> IN. >> >> Walt >> >> ----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves >> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:03 PM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp >> >> >> I bought a new CJ. My first airplane oil temp always pretty much stayed >> around 50 to 60=C2=B0. On the new plane run 7075 and sometimes a little higher. >> If I open the gills and lower the cylinder head down to to 120 the oil t emp >> will stay around 70 but I don't like run the cylinder head that low the new >> plane is using shell 50W weight and my old plane is using Phillips >> multigrade any suggestions >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ======================== =========== >> List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navi g >> ator?Yak-List >> ======================== =========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ======================== =========== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> ======================== =========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on >> ======================== =========== >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:57 AM PST US From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp IMHO, IN doesn't really say much by itself, but the spread between IN and OUT can tell you a lot. One who is so inclined to monitor and log that spread can gain a lot of insight when a observing a deviation from the mean spread between the 2 temps. On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:51 AM Robert Graves wrote: > I always use in > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 12, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Bill Geipel wrote: > > so do you use In or Out for takeoff oil temp? > > On Jul 12, 2017, at 20:35, Justin Drafts wrote: > > Btw Walt, very glad to hear about the rear gauge reading IN, I didn't kno w > that, thanks- > Justin Drafts, N280NC > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Walter Lannon wrote: > >> >> The first thing to consider with a CJ oil temp. question is are you >> reading oil IN or oil OUT? >> Since it is your second CJ I'm sure you are familiar with the system but >> it's possible the switch is incorrectly wired or installed. >> Check switch in flight and/or compare with your GIB. Rear gauge is Oil >> IN. >> >> Walt >> >> ----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves >> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:03 PM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp >> >> >> I bought a new CJ. My first airplane oil temp always pretty much stayed >> around 50 to 60=C2=B0. On the new plane run 7075 and sometimes a little higher. >> If I open the gills and lower the cylinder head down to to 120 the oil t emp >> will stay around 70 but I don't like run the cylinder head that low the new >> plane is using shell 50W weight and my old plane is using Phillips >> multigrade any suggestions >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ======================== =========== >> List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navi g >> ator?Yak-List >> ======================== =========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ======================== =========== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> ======================== =========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on >> ======================== =========== >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:20 AM PST US From: JON Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp Yeah, what he said... see attached. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Martinez" Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:54:29 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp IMHO, IN doesn't really say much by itself, but the spread between IN and O UT can tell you a lot. One who is so inclined to monitor and log that sprea d can gain a lot of insight when a observing a deviation from the mean spre ad between the 2 temps. On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:51 AM Robert Graves < flibob@att.net > wrote: I always use in Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Bill Geipel < l129bs@gmail.com > wrote:
so do you use In or Out for takeoff oil temp? On Jul 12, 2017, at 20:35, Justin Drafts < draftsjust417@gmail.com > wrote:
Btw Walt, very glad to hear about the rear gauge reading IN, I didn't know that, thanks- Justin Drafts, N280NC On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Walter Lannon < wlannon@shaw.ca > wrote:
The first thing to consider with a CJ oil temp. question is are you reading oil IN or oil OUT? Since it is your second CJ I'm sure you are familiar with the system but it 's possible the switch is incorrectly wired or installed. Check switch in flight and/or compare with your GIB.=C2- Rear gauge is Oi l IN. Walt ----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:03 PM Subject: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp I bought a new CJ. My first airplane oil temp always pretty much stayed aro und 50 to 60=C2=B0. On the new plane run 7075 and sometimes a little higher . If I open the gills and lower the cylinder head down to to 120 the oil te mp will stay around 70 but I don't like run the cylinder head that low the new plane is using shell 50W weight and my old plane is using Phillips mult igrade any suggestions Sent from my iPhone --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus =========== List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Yak-List =========== FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank"> http://forums.matronics.com =========== WIKI - errer" target="_blank"> http://wiki.matronics.com =========== b Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/contr ibutio n ===========
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:41:31 PM PST US From: William Geipel Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp new to the CJ world. In from/to where, Out/from where to where? Where is the chip detector located? Pix? > On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:18, JON wrote: > > Yeah, what he said... see attached. > > From: "Ernest Martinez" > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:54:29 AM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp > > IMHO, IN doesn't really say much by itself, but the spread between IN and OUT can tell you a lot. One who is so inclined to monitor and log that spread can gain a lot of insight when a observing a deviation from the mean spread between the 2 temps. > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:51 AM Robert Graves > wrote: > I always use in > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 12, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Bill Geipel > wrote: > > so do you use In or Out for takeoff oil temp? > > On Jul 12, 2017, at 20:35, Justin Drafts > wrote: > > Btw Walt, very glad to hear about the rear gauge reading IN, I didn't know that, thanks- > Justin Drafts, N280NC > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Walter Lannon > wrote: > > > The first thing to consider with a CJ oil temp. question is are you reading oil IN or oil OUT? > Since it is your second CJ I'm sure you are familiar with the system but it's possible the switch is incorrectly wired or installed. > Check switch in flight and/or compare with your GIB. Rear gauge is Oil IN. > > Walt > > ----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:03 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp > > > > I bought a new CJ. My first airplane oil temp always pretty much stayed around 50 to 60=C2=B0. On the new plane run 7075 and sometimes a little higher. If I open the gills and lower the cylinder head down to to 120 the oil temp will stay around 70 but I don't like run the cylinder head that low the new plane is using shell 50W weight and my old plane is using Phillips multigrade any suggestions > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ========== > List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Yak-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contr ibution > ========== > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:12 PM PST US From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp You got a CJ??? Good man. IN to engine from Oil Cooler OUT from engine to Oil cooler. IN is cooler than OUT. On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:37 PM, William Geipel wrote: > new to the CJ world. In from/to where, Out/from where to where? > Where is the chip detector located? Pix? > > On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:18, JON wrote: > > Yeah, what he said... see attached. > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Ernest Martinez" > *To: *yak-list@matronics.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:54:29 AM > *Subject: *Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp > > IMHO, IN doesn't really say much by itself, but the spread between IN and > OUT can tell you a lot. One who is so inclined to monitor and log that > spread can gain a lot of insight when a observing a deviation from the me an > spread between the 2 temps. > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:51 AM Robert Graves wrote: > >> I always use in >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 12, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Bill Geipel wrote: >> >> so do you use In or Out for takeoff oil temp? >> >> On Jul 12, 2017, at 20:35, Justin Drafts wrote : >> >> Btw Walt, very glad to hear about the rear gauge reading IN, I didn't >> know that, thanks- >> Justin Drafts, N280NC >> >> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Walter Lannon wrote: >> >>> >>> The first thing to consider with a CJ oil temp. question is are you >>> reading oil IN or oil OUT? >>> Since it is your second CJ I'm sure you are familiar with the system bu t >>> it's possible the switch is incorrectly wired or installed. >>> Check switch in flight and/or compare with your GIB. Rear gauge is Oil >>> IN. >>> >>> Walt >>> >>> ----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:03 PM >>> To: yak-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp >>> >>> >>> I bought a new CJ. My first airplane oil temp always pretty much stayed >>> around 50 to 60=C2=B0. On the new plane run 7075 and sometimes a little higher. >>> If I open the gills and lower the cylinder head down to to 120 the oil temp >>> will stay around 70 but I don't like run the cylinder head that low the new >>> plane is using shell 50W weight and my old plane is using Phillips >>> multigrade any suggestions >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> ========== >>> List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Nav ig >>> ator?Yak-List >>> ========== >>> FORUMS - >>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> WIKI - >>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:28 PM PST US From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp No Chip detector from factory. On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Ernest Martinez wrote : > You got a CJ??? Good man. > > IN to engine from Oil Cooler > OUT from engine to Oil cooler. > > IN is cooler than OUT. > > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:37 PM, William Geipel wrote: > >> new to the CJ world. In from/to where, Out/from where to where? >> Where is the chip detector located? Pix? >> >> On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:18, JON wrote: >> >> Yeah, what he said... see attached. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Ernest Martinez" >> *To: *yak-list@matronics.com >> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:54:29 AM >> *Subject: *Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp >> >> IMHO, IN doesn't really say much by itself, but the spread between IN an d >> OUT can tell you a lot. One who is so inclined to monitor and log that >> spread can gain a lot of insight when a observing a deviation from the m ean >> spread between the 2 temps. >> >> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:51 AM Robert Graves wrote: >> >>> I always use in >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 12, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Bill Geipel wrote: >>> >>> so do you use In or Out for takeoff oil temp? >>> >>> On Jul 12, 2017, at 20:35, Justin Drafts >>> wrote: >>> >>> Btw Walt, very glad to hear about the rear gauge reading IN, I didn't >>> know that, thanks- >>> Justin Drafts, N280NC >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Walter Lannon wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> The first thing to consider with a CJ oil temp. question is are you >>>> reading oil IN or oil OUT? >>>> Since it is your second CJ I'm sure you are familiar with the system >>>> but it's possible the switch is incorrectly wired or installed. >>>> Check switch in flight and/or compare with your GIB. Rear gauge is Oi l >>>> IN. >>>> >>>> Walt >>>> >>>> ----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:03 PM >>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com >>>> Subject: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp >>>> >>>> >>>> I bought a new CJ. My first airplane oil temp always pretty much staye d >>>> around 50 to 60=C2=B0. On the new plane run 7075 and sometimes a littl e higher. >>>> If I open the gills and lower the cylinder head down to to 120 the oil temp >>>> will stay around 70 but I don't like run the cylinder head that low th e new >>>> plane is using shell 50W weight and my old plane is using Phillips >>>> multigrade any suggestions >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> ========== >>>> List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Na vig >>>> ator?Yak-List >>>> ========== >>>> FORUMS - >>>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>>> ========== >>>> WIKI - >>>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >>>> ========== >>>> b Site - >>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion >>>> ========== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:26 PM PST US From: Greg Wrobel Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp Where you located with your CJ?? On Jul 12, 2017 15:44, "William Geipel" wrote: > new to the CJ world. In from/to where, Out/from where to where? > Where is the chip detector located? Pix? > > On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:18, JON wrote: > > Yeah, what he said... see attached. > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Ernest Martinez" > *To: *yak-list@matronics.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:54:29 AM > *Subject: *Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp > > IMHO, IN doesn't really say much by itself, but the spread between IN and > OUT can tell you a lot. One who is so inclined to monitor and log that > spread can gain a lot of insight when a observing a deviation from the me an > spread between the 2 temps. > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:51 AM Robert Graves wrote: > >> I always use in >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 12, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Bill Geipel wrote: >> >> so do you use In or Out for takeoff oil temp? >> >> On Jul 12, 2017, at 20:35, Justin Drafts wrote : >> >> Btw Walt, very glad to hear about the rear gauge reading IN, I didn't >> know that, thanks- >> Justin Drafts, N280NC >> >> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Walter Lannon wrote: >> >>> >>> The first thing to consider with a CJ oil temp. question is are you >>> reading oil IN or oil OUT? >>> Since it is your second CJ I'm sure you are familiar with the system bu t >>> it's possible the switch is incorrectly wired or installed. >>> Check switch in flight and/or compare with your GIB. Rear gauge is Oil >>> IN. >>> >>> Walt >>> >>> ----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:03 PM >>> To: yak-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp >>> >>> >>> I bought a new CJ. My first airplane oil temp always pretty much stayed >>> around 50 to 60=C2=B0. On the new plane run 7075 and sometimes a little higher. >>> If I open the gills and lower the cylinder head down to to 120 the oil temp >>> will stay around 70 but I don't like run the cylinder head that low the new >>> plane is using shell 50W weight and my old plane is using Phillips >>> multigrade any suggestions >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> ========== >>> List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Nav ig >>> ator?Yak-List >>> ========== >>> FORUMS - >>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> WIKI - >>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:08 PM PST US From: "Frank Stelwagon" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp Actually, IN is from the tank into the engine OUT is from the engine to the oil cooler. The cooled oil goes back to the Oil tank. Remember Oil is the coolant as well as the lubricant. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp You got a CJ??? Good man. IN to engine from Oil Cooler OUT from engine to Oil cooler. IN is cooler than OUT. On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:37 PM, William Geipel > wrote: new to the CJ world. In from/to where, Out/from where to where? Where is the chip detector located? Pix? On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:18, JON > wrote: Yeah, what he said... see attached. _____ From: "Ernest Martinez" > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:54:29 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp IMHO, IN doesn't really say much by itself, but the spread between IN and OUT can tell you a lot. One who is so inclined to monitor and log that spread can gain a lot of insight when a observing a deviation from the mean spread between the 2 temps. On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:51 AM Robert Graves > wrote: I always use in Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Bill Geipel > wrote: so do you use In or Out for takeoff oil temp? On Jul 12, 2017, at 20:35, Justin Drafts > wrote: Btw Walt, very glad to hear about the rear gauge reading IN, I didn't know that, thanks- Justin Drafts, N280NC On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Walter Lannon > wrote: > The first thing to consider with a CJ oil temp. question is are you reading oil IN or oil OUT? Since it is your second CJ I'm sure you are familiar with the system but it's possible the switch is incorrectly wired or installed. Check switch in flight and/or compare with your GIB. Rear gauge is Oil IN. Walt ----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:03 PM Subject: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp > I bought a new CJ. My first airplane oil temp always pretty much stayed around 50 to 60=C2=B0. On the new plane run 7075 and sometimes a little higher. If I open the gills and lower the cylinder head down to to 120 the oil temp will stay around 70 but I don't like run the cylinder head that low the new plane is using shell 50W weight and my old plane is using Phillips multigrade any suggestions Sent from my iPhone --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com WIKI - errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:20 PM PST US From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp Ok, I left the tank out of the equation. Bottom line, IN is cooler than OUT .. On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Frank Stelwagon wrote: > Actually, IN is from the tank into the engine OUT is from the engine to > the oil cooler. The cooled oil goes back to the Oil tank. Remember Oil is > the coolant as well as the lubricant. > > > *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server @ > matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ernest Martinez > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 12, 2017 1:47 PM > *To:* yak-list > *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp > > > You got a CJ??? Good man. > > > IN to engine from Oil Cooler > > OUT from engine to Oil cooler. > > > IN is cooler than OUT. > > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:37 PM, William Geipel wrote: > > new to the CJ world. In from/to where, Out/from where to where? > > Where is the chip detector located? Pix? > > > On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:18, JON wrote: > > > Yeah, what he said... see attached. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Ernest Martinez" > *To: *yak-list@matronics.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:54:29 AM > *Subject: *Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp > > > IMHO, IN doesn't really say much by itself, but the spread between IN and > OUT can tell you a lot. One who is so inclined to monitor and log that > spread can gain a lot of insight when a observing a deviation from the me an > spread between the 2 temps. > > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:51 AM Robert Graves wrote: > > I always use in > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 12, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Bill Geipel wrote: > > > so do you use In or Out for takeoff oil temp? > > > On Jul 12, 2017, at 20:35, Justin Drafts wrote: > > > Btw Walt, very glad to hear about the rear gauge reading IN, I didn't kno w > that, thanks- > > Justin Drafts, N280NC > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Walter Lannon wrote: > > > The first thing to consider with a CJ oil temp. question is are you > reading oil IN or oil OUT? > Since it is your second CJ I'm sure you are familiar with the system but > it's possible the switch is incorrectly wired or installed. > Check switch in flight and/or compare with your GIB. Rear gauge is Oil I N. > > Walt > > ----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:03 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp > > > I bought a new CJ. My first airplane oil temp always pretty much stayed > around 50 to 60=C2=B0. On the new plane run 7075 and sometimes a little h igher. > If I open the gills and lower the cylinder head down to to 120 the oil te mp > will stay around 70 but I don't like run the cylinder head that low the n ew > plane is using shell 50W weight and my old plane is using Phillips > multigrade any suggestions > > Sent from my iPhone > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ========== > List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navig > ator?Yak-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n > ========== > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:17 PM PST US From: William Geipel Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp Gone to the dark side > On Jul 12, 2017, at 14:48, Ernest Martinez wrote: > > No Chip detector from factory. > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Ernest Martinez > wrote: > You got a CJ??? Good man. > > IN to engine from Oil Cooler > OUT from engine to Oil cooler. > > IN is cooler than OUT. > > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:37 PM, William Geipel > wrote: > new to the CJ world. In from/to where, Out/from where to where? > Where is the chip detector located? Pix? > >> On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:18, JON > wrote: >> >> Yeah, what he said... see attached. >> >> From: "Ernest Martinez" > >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:54:29 AM >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp >> >> IMHO, IN doesn't really say much by itself, but the spread between IN and OUT can tell you a lot. One who is so inclined to monitor and log that spread can gain a lot of insight when a observing a deviation from the mean spread between the 2 temps. >> >> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:51 AM Robert Graves > wrote: >> I always use in >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 12, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Bill Geipel > wrote: >> >> so do you use In or Out for takeoff oil temp? >> >> On Jul 12, 2017, at 20:35, Justin Drafts > wrote: >> >> Btw Walt, very glad to hear about the rear gauge reading IN, I didn't know that, thanks- >> Justin Drafts, N280NC >> >> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Walter Lannon > wrote: > >> >> The first thing to consider with a CJ oil temp. question is are you reading oil IN or oil OUT? >> Since it is your second CJ I'm sure you are familiar with the system but it's possible the switch is incorrectly wired or installed. >> Check switch in flight and/or compare with your GIB. Rear gauge is Oil IN. >> >> Walt >> >> ----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves >> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:03 PM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp >> > >> >> I bought a new CJ. My first airplane oil temp always pretty much stayed around 50 to 60=C2=B0. On the new plane run 7075 and sometimes a little higher. If I open the gills and lower the cylinder head down to to 120 the oil temp will stay around 70 but I don't like run the cylinder head that low the new plane is using shell 50W weight and my old plane is using Phillips multigrade any suggestions >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ========== >> List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Yak-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contr ibution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:00 PM PST US From: William Geipel Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp Westcliffe, Colorado > On Jul 12, 2017, at 14:57, Greg Wrobel wrote: > > Where you located with your CJ?? > > On Jul 12, 2017 15:44, "William Geipel" > wrote: > new to the CJ world. In from/to where, Out/from where to where? > Where is the chip detector located? Pix? > >> On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:18, JON > wrote: >> >> Yeah, what he said... see attached. >> >> From: "Ernest Martinez" > >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:54:29 AM >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp >> >> IMHO, IN doesn't really say much by itself, but the spread between IN and OUT can tell you a lot. One who is so inclined to monitor and log that spread can gain a lot of insight when a observing a deviation from the mean spread between the 2 temps. >> >> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:51 AM Robert Graves > wrote: >> I always use in >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 12, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Bill Geipel > wrote: >> >> so do you use In or Out for takeoff oil temp? >> >> On Jul 12, 2017, at 20:35, Justin Drafts > wrote: >> >> Btw Walt, very glad to hear about the rear gauge reading IN, I didn't know that, thanks- >> Justin Drafts, N280NC >> >> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Walter Lannon > wrote: > >> >> The first thing to consider with a CJ oil temp. question is are you reading oil IN or oil OUT? >> Since it is your second CJ I'm sure you are familiar with the system but it's possible the switch is incorrectly wired or installed. >> Check switch in flight and/or compare with your GIB. Rear gauge is Oil IN. >> >> Walt >> >> ----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves >> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:03 PM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp >> > >> >> I bought a new CJ. My first airplane oil temp always pretty much stayed around 50 to 60=C2=B0. On the new plane run 7075 and sometimes a little higher. If I open the gills and lower the cylinder head down to to 120 the oil temp will stay around 70 but I don't like run the cylinder head that low the new plane is using shell 50W weight and my old plane is using Phillips multigrade any suggestions >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ========== >> List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Yak-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contr ibution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:24 PM PST US From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hi Oil temp Jon, I think you missed my point. The formula below is for standard deviation which is not what I was going for. To put it in terms that you might understand, if the difference between IN and OUT temps are normally lets just say 15 degrees C, then thats the mean, or average. If one day you realize that the spread between the two temps is greater or less than 15 degrees, then there is something to look at. If the OUT is the same but IN is higher then your oil cooler may not be working properly, or your oil level may be low. If the IN is the same but the OUT is higher then you may have something going on in the engine, etc etc etc.. There are many different scenarios that can play out here. So MEAN means average, SPREAD means difference, MEAN SPREAD means the average difference of IN/OUT temps for your airplane. Hope this helps. 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