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1. 12:38 AM - Re: Yak 52 Support (Richard Goode)
2. 01:32 AM - Re: ATF denies Nanchang import (Richard Hess)
3. 05:20 AM - Re: Yak 52 Support (JON)
4. 05:26 AM - Yak 52 for sale (Chris Ober)
5. 05:39 AM - Air Compressor Shear Coupler (BTLYak)
6. 06:58 AM - Re: Yak 52 Support (Jill Gernetzke)
7. 06:58 AM - Re: Yak 52 Support (Jill Gernetzke)
8. 10:20 AM - Re: ATF denies Nanchang import (Walter Lannon)
9. 10:59 AM - ATF denies Nanchang import (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
10. 11:08 AM - ATF denies Nanchang import (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
11. 08:07 PM - Re: ATF denies Nanchang import (Thomas Van Dusen)
12. 08:08 PM - Re: ATF denies Nanchang import (Thomas Van Dusen)
13. 09:39 PM - Re: Re: Yak 52 Support (Royden Heays)
14. 09:39 PM - Re: Re: Yak 52 Support (Royden Heays)
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Yes, earlier this year, Aerostar, of course the manufacturer of all 52s
asked Aerometal, my partner in Hungary if they could make 10 sets of new
engine mounts for the 52, but of course lacking the original jigs. We worked
out a way that this could be done, and they then went rather quiet!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy
Sent: 20 September 2017 14:40
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Support
All Yak 52 owners, I recently made an inquiry to see if there are any Yak
parts left at the factory in Romania. I received the following response:
The news is not good from our friends from the next door. They do not have
any kind of parts for Yak-52. More than this, they destroyed the jigs and
the fixtures and now they are not able to manufacture spare parts for Yak-52
airplanes. The same situation is with FESTIVAL airplane. The plant where was
made the Yak-52 is totally changed. A lot of CNC routers machines are
installed on the place where the general assembling of the airplanes was.
Today there they manufacture parts for AIRBUS.
George Coy
CAS Ltd.
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton VT 05488 USA
802-868-5633 off
802-363-5782 cell
802-868-6632 Fax
<mailto:george.coy@gmail.com> george.coy@gmail.com
<http://coyacft.com/> http://coyacft.com/
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| Subject: | Re: ATF denies Nanchang import |
Thom
I know for exports the Nanchang and Yak are exempt. I believe the import is the
same. Review the ATF military import requirements. Heck, if imports from China
were illegal then half the companies in the US would go out of business!
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 11:17 PM, Thomas Van Dusen <twvandusen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I need some help.
>
> In June I bought a Nanchang out of Canada. My DAR required me to get ATF approval
for the import. After six weeks they informed me that they denied my request.
They quoted some CFRs which say that imports from China were not allowed.
>
> Now I own a very pretty paperweight.
>
> Two questions;
>
> 1. Does an import from Canada require ATF approval?
> 2. What options do I have?
>
> Thom
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Support |
They drink German=C2-beer?=C2- See attached...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Wrobel" <clouddog22@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:39:20 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 Support
Tuche =F0=9F=98=8E=F0=9F=98=8E=F0=9F=98=8E=F0=9F=98=8E
On Sep 20, 2017 1:00 PM, "Walter Lannon" < wlannon@shaw.ca > wrote:
Hey Greg;
=C2-
Maybe they understand capitalism very well.=C2- Why bother with a buck fr
om old stuff you can get a million from new.
=C2-
Cheers;
Walt
=C2-
From: Greg Wrobel
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 Support
=C2-
They just don't understand Capitalism and how to make a buck out of old stu
ff. That's why we're flying old, headed for the boneyard/scrapyard aircraft
and for the fine folks we have supplying and supporting us in parts.
=C2-
=C2-
On Sep 20, 2017 9:46 AM, "William Halverson" < william@netpros.net > wrote:
<blockquote>
How bizarre... destroying fixtures and jigs ... instead of putting them up
for auction ... how odd ...
Typos courtesy of Siri
On Sep 20, 2017, at 09:39, George S. Coy < george.coy@gmail.com > wrote:
<blockquote>
All Yak 52 owners, I recently made an inquiry to see if there are any Yak p
arts left at the factory in Romania. I received the following response:
The news is not good from our friends from the next door. They do not have
any kind of parts for Yak-52. More than this, they destroyed the jigs and t
he fixtures and now they are not able to manufacture spare parts for Yak-52
airplanes. The same situation is with FESTIVAL airplane. The plant where w
as made the Yak-52 is totally changed. A lot of CNC routers machines are in
stalled on the place where the general assembling of the airplanes was. Tod
ay there they manufacture parts for AIRBUS.=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
George Coy
CAS Ltd.
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton VT 05488 USA
802-868-5633 off
802-363-5782 cell
802-868-6632 Fax
george.coy@gmail.com
http://coyacft.com/
SKYPE george.coy
=C2-
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Unfortunately I'm going to be listing my Yak-52 for sale. 1992 very nice exa
mple, needs nothing, a great running plane. Has a mig center council and a s
moke system. Dual radios, new transponder, MT 3 blade prop, full canopy cove
r, comes with 2 chutes. I can get you any other details you need. Please pm m
e for any other info including price. It's a beautiful plane. It will come w
ith a fresh annual.
Chris Ober
3092080323
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Air Compressor Shear Coupler |
We have a spare air compressor Shear Coupler.
New from M-14P.
Contact me if you are AOG and need a part.
--------
"Battle Yak"
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473040#473040
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Support |
Group,
The phone calls, texts and e-mails are coming in off of George's
announcement. Relax. Yes, it is a shame if they destroyed the jigs and
begs the questions of why they did not inform George that this was going to
happen. It doesn't matter because it doesn't change the outcome. Piper did
the same thing as I recall Clyde Smith - the Cub Doctor - telling me. I
live at an airport where 1000s of WWII aircraft were chopped into bits by a
huge guillotine and smelted. Aircraft are still be chopped to bits here,
albeit airliners.
We have been informing our customers since October 2015, that production had
ceased on the Yak 52 and they were no longer supplying airframe parts.
Additionally, we have been manufacturing parts for the Yak 52 for quite some
time and working collectively with others, who also manufacture parts.
Beginning in 1992, when Carl (Hays) started importing on the West coast, we
accumulated a lot of parts with an eye to the future and when this day might
come. Working exclusively on these aircraft and engines, we know the
consistent failures and where to direct our resources.
The latest part that we have duplicated, in whole, is the cowl lord mount
bushings for the Yak 52. A seemingly inconsequential part, but in actuality
it is very important for the proper fit and sealing of the engine cowl. One
thing that people should realize is that our aircraft are considered "low
volume" when we walk into a machine shop and request a part to be
manufactured. Most often, we have to meet a minimum that forces us to hold
inventory on our end. We currently manufacture hundreds of parts for the
Yak 52 and M-14P. We will continue to do so, as our complete dedication is
to keep our customer in the air.
If you are interested in what we are doing, visit our Facebook Page: M-14P,
Inc. I post a lot of what is currently happening, there.
In my opinion, what we are seeing is a market shift where many of these
aircraft were purchased at "fire sale" prices in the 90's and now they will
become limited and collectible. The aim is to keep them affordable.
Jill Gernetzke
M-14P, Inc.
www.m-14p.com
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Support |
Group,
The phone calls, texts and e-mails are coming in off of George's
announcement. Relax. Yes, it is a shame if they destroyed the jigs and
begs the questions of why they did not inform George that this was going to
happen. It doesn't matter because it doesn't change the outcome. Piper did
the same thing as I recall Clyde Smith - the Cub Doctor - telling me. I
live at an airport where 1000s of WWII aircraft were chopped into bits by a
huge guillotine and smelted. Aircraft are still be chopped to bits here,
albeit airliners.
We have been informing our customers since October 2015, that production had
ceased on the Yak 52 and they were no longer supplying airframe parts.
Additionally, we have been manufacturing parts for the Yak 52 for quite some
time and working collectively with others, who also manufacture parts.
Beginning in 1992, when Carl (Hays) started importing on the West coast, we
accumulated a lot of parts with an eye to the future and when this day might
come. Working exclusively on these aircraft and engines, we know the
consistent failures and where to direct our resources.
The latest part that we have duplicated, in whole, is the cowl lord mount
bushings for the Yak 52. A seemingly inconsequential part, but in actuality
it is very important for the proper fit and sealing of the engine cowl. One
thing that people should realize is that our aircraft are considered "low
volume" when we walk into a machine shop and request a part to be
manufactured. Most often, we have to meet a minimum that forces us to hold
inventory on our end. We currently manufacture hundreds of parts for the
Yak 52 and M-14P. We will continue to do so, as our complete dedication is
to keep our customer in the air.
If you are interested in what we are doing, visit our Facebook Page: M-14P,
Inc. I post a lot of what is currently happening, there.
In my opinion, what we are seeing is a market shift where many of these
aircraft were purchased at "fire sale" prices in the 90's and now they will
become limited and collectible. The aim is to keep them affordable.
Jill Gernetzke
M-14P, Inc.
www.m-14p.com
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| Subject: | Re: ATF denies Nanchang import |
Hi Thom;
I don=99t know anything about the ATF but I can assure you that your
CJ6 is not the first to be imported into the US from Canada.
One of the four I imported (to Canada) in 1993 was subsequently purchased a
nd imported (into the US) by a gentleman in Los Angeles. I don=99t t
hink it would be
appropriate for me to give his name here but he is still actively flying it
and (I believe) monitors this List.
Walt
From: Thomas Van Dusen
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:17 PM
Subject: Yak-List: ATF denies Nanchang import
I need some help.
In June I bought a Nanchang out of Canada. My DAR required me to get ATF a
pproval for the import. After six weeks they informed me that they denied
my request. They quoted some CFRs which say that imports from China were no
t allowed.
Now I own a very pretty paperweight.
Two questions;
1. Does an import from Canada require ATF approval?
2. What options do I have?
Thom
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| Subject: | ATF denies Nanchang import |
I would offer that one of your best bets is to contact the EAA's Government Representative,
and by the way ... become an EAA member in the process, if you are
not already.
This is the kind of thing that they are there for, and from personal experience
I can tell you that they are extremely cooperative and professional folks that
can right to the right place to help you.
By the way, the first thing I would have done would be to get a different DAR.
The ATF will say "no" to just about anything.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Van Dusen
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 12:17 AM
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: ATF denies Nanchang import
I need some help.
In June I bought a Nanchang out of Canada. My DAR required me to get ATF approval
for the import. After six weeks they informed me that they denied my request.
They quoted some CFRs which say that imports from China were not allowed.
Now I own a very pretty paperweight.
Two questions;
1. Does an import from Canada require ATF approval?
2. What options do I have?
Thom
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| Subject: | ATF denies Nanchang import |
"can take you to the right place to help you"
Failed to proof read, sorry.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 1:58 PM
Subject: Yak-List: ATF denies Nanchang import
I would offer that one of your best bets is to contact the EAA's Government Representative,
and by the way ... become an EAA member in the process, if you are
not already.
This is the kind of thing that they are there for, and from personal experience
I can tell you that they are extremely cooperative and professional folks that.
By the way, the first thing I would have done would be to get a different DAR.
The ATF will say "no" to just about anything.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Van Dusen
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 12:17 AM
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: ATF denies Nanchang import
I need some help.
In June I bought a Nanchang out of Canada. My DAR required me to get ATF approval
for the import. After six weeks they informed me that they denied my request.
They quoted some CFRs which say that imports from China were not allowed.
Now I own a very pretty paperweight.
Two questions;
1. Does an import from Canada require ATF approval?
2. What options do I have?
Thom
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| Subject: | Re: ATF denies Nanchang import |
Thanks Mark. I'll contact them.
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <
mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
> mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> "can take you to the right place to help you"
>
> Failed to proof read, sorry.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 1:58 PM
> To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: Yak-List: ATF denies Nanchang import
>
> I would offer that one of your best bets is to contact the EAA's
> Government Representative, and by the way ... become an EAA member in the
> process, if you are not already.
>
> This is the kind of thing that they are there for, and from personal
> experience I can tell you that they are extremely cooperative and
> professional folks that.
>
> By the way, the first thing I would have done would be to get a different
> DAR. The ATF will say "no" to just about anything.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@
> matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Van Dusen
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 12:17 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: ATF denies Nanchang import
>
> I need some help.
>
> In June I bought a Nanchang out of Canada. My DAR required me to get ATF
> approval for the import. After six weeks they informed me that they denied
> my request. They quoted some CFRs which say that imports from China were
> not allowed.
>
> Now I own a very pretty paperweight.
>
>
> Two questions;
>
> 1. Does an import from Canada require ATF approval?
> 2. What options do I have?
>
> Thom
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ATF denies Nanchang import |
Thanks Walt. Nice to know that there is still hope.
Thom
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi Thom;
>
> I don=99t know anything about the ATF but I can assure you that you
r CJ6 is
> not the first to be imported into the US from Canada.
> One of the four I imported (to Canada) in 1993 was subsequently purchased
> and imported (into the US) by a gentleman in Los Angeles. I don=99
t think it
> would be
> appropriate for me to give his name here but he is still actively flying
> it and (I believe) monitors this List.
>
> Walt
>
> *From:* Thomas Van Dusen <twvandusen@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:17 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Yak-List: ATF denies Nanchang import
>
> I need some help.
>
> In June I bought a Nanchang out of Canada. My DAR required me to get ATF
> approval for the import. After six weeks they informed me that they deni
ed
> my request. They quoted some CFRs which say that imports from China were
> not allowed.
>
> Now I own a very pretty paperweight.
>
> Two questions;
>
> 1. Does an import from Canada require ATF approval?
> 2. What options do I have?
>
> Thom
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Support |
Hey Jill,
Yours is an important post for the Yak community and I for one truly
appreciate what you and Carl are doing to keep us "in the air".
"Us" includes the less talked about Yak 55 and Yak 55M guys.
Best regards
Royden
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jill Gernetzke
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:57 AM
<yak-list-digest@matronics.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 Support
Group,
The phone calls, texts and e-mails are coming in off of George's
announcement. Relax. Yes, it is a shame if they destroyed the jigs and
begs the questions of why they did not inform George that this was going to
happen. It doesn't matter because it doesn't change the outcome. Piper did
the same thing as I recall Clyde Smith - the Cub Doctor - telling me. I
live at an airport where 1000s of WWII aircraft were chopped into bits by a
huge guillotine and smelted. Aircraft are still be chopped to bits here,
albeit airliners.
We have been informing our customers since October 2015, that production had
ceased on the Yak 52 and they were no longer supplying airframe parts.
Additionally, we have been manufacturing parts for the Yak 52 for quite some
time and working collectively with others, who also manufacture parts.
Beginning in 1992, when Carl (Hays) started importing on the West coast, we
accumulated a lot of parts with an eye to the future and when this day might
come. Working exclusively on these aircraft and engines, we know the
consistent failures and where to direct our resources.
The latest part that we have duplicated, in whole, is the cowl lord mount
bushings for the Yak 52. A seemingly inconsequential part, but in actuality
it is very important for the proper fit and sealing of the engine cowl. One
thing that people should realize is that our aircraft are considered "low
volume" when we walk into a machine shop and request a part to be
manufactured. Most often, we have to meet a minimum that forces us to hold
inventory on our end. We currently manufacture hundreds of parts for the
Yak 52 and M-14P. We will continue to do so, as our complete dedication is
to keep our customer in the air.
If you are interested in what we are doing, visit our Facebook Page: M-14P,
Inc. I post a lot of what is currently happening, there.
In my opinion, what we are seeing is a market shift where many of these
aircraft were purchased at "fire sale" prices in the 90's and now they will
become limited and collectible. The aim is to keep them affordable.
Jill Gernetzke
M-14P, Inc.
www.m-14p.com
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Support |
Hey Jill,
Yours is an important post for the Yak community and I for one truly
appreciate what you and Carl are doing to keep us "in the air".
"Us" includes the less talked about Yak 55 and Yak 55M guys.
Best regards
Royden
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jill Gernetzke
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:57 AM
<yak-list-digest@matronics.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 Support
Group,
The phone calls, texts and e-mails are coming in off of George's
announcement. Relax. Yes, it is a shame if they destroyed the jigs and
begs the questions of why they did not inform George that this was going to
happen. It doesn't matter because it doesn't change the outcome. Piper did
the same thing as I recall Clyde Smith - the Cub Doctor - telling me. I
live at an airport where 1000s of WWII aircraft were chopped into bits by a
huge guillotine and smelted. Aircraft are still be chopped to bits here,
albeit airliners.
We have been informing our customers since October 2015, that production had
ceased on the Yak 52 and they were no longer supplying airframe parts.
Additionally, we have been manufacturing parts for the Yak 52 for quite some
time and working collectively with others, who also manufacture parts.
Beginning in 1992, when Carl (Hays) started importing on the West coast, we
accumulated a lot of parts with an eye to the future and when this day might
come. Working exclusively on these aircraft and engines, we know the
consistent failures and where to direct our resources.
The latest part that we have duplicated, in whole, is the cowl lord mount
bushings for the Yak 52. A seemingly inconsequential part, but in actuality
it is very important for the proper fit and sealing of the engine cowl. One
thing that people should realize is that our aircraft are considered "low
volume" when we walk into a machine shop and request a part to be
manufactured. Most often, we have to meet a minimum that forces us to hold
inventory on our end. We currently manufacture hundreds of parts for the
Yak 52 and M-14P. We will continue to do so, as our complete dedication is
to keep our customer in the air.
If you are interested in what we are doing, visit our Facebook Page: M-14P,
Inc. I post a lot of what is currently happening, there.
In my opinion, what we are seeing is a market shift where many of these
aircraft were purchased at "fire sale" prices in the 90's and now they will
become limited and collectible. The aim is to keep them affordable.
Jill Gernetzke
M-14P, Inc.
www.m-14p.com
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