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1. 01:55 AM - YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down (Jean-Philippe Martel)
2. 03:52 AM - Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down (Nigel Willson)
3. 04:04 AM - Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 04:13 AM - Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 05:42 AM - Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down (Jean-Philippe Martel)
6. 06:07 AM - Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down (Ernest Martinez)
7. 09:43 AM - Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 09:50 AM - Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 10:33 AM - Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down (Walter Lannon)
10. 02:35 PM - Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down (A. Dennis Savarese)
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| Subject: | YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down |
Hi!
Could any YAK 52 driver kindly remind me the official emergency procedure
to gear down in case of full pressure loss in the normal circuit, please?
Thank you in advance! =F0=9F=98=8A
Marty
France
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| Subject: | Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down |
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| Subject: | Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down |
FYI - Flaps do not work from the emergency air system.=C2- If you doubt t
his to be true, then test it the next time you have the airplane on jacks d
oing a gear retraction/extension test when doing the emergency gear extensi
on test.
With the rear gear selector in the neutral position and the main air valve
closed, once you place the front gear selector in neutral, all the residual
air pressure in the system forward of the main air valve, is depleted.=C2
- Then open the emergency air valve to extend the gear.=C2- Now attempt
to put the flaps down.=C2-
Dennis
From: Nigel Willson <nigel.willson@yakdisplay.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
Both gear selectors to neutral. Open emergency air valve. Do not use flaps
since this will use emergency air that could be used for braking.
Regards,
| Nigel WillsonFlying Instructor & Examiner | Airshow Organiser | Display P
ilothttp://yakdisplay. comTel. 07809 116676 |
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-------- Original message --------From: Jean-Philippe Martel <marty.jpm@gma
il.com> Date: 24/09/2017 09:51 (GMT+00:00) To: yak-list@matronics.com Subje
ct: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
Hi!
Could any YAK 52 driver kindly remind me the official emergency procedure t
o gear down in case of full pressure loss in the normal circuit, please?
Thank you in advance! =F0=9F=98=8A
MartyFrance
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| Subject: | Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down |
I tried posting a copy of the Yak 52 POH to the Yak list, but Matronics rej
ected it even though it was a .pdf file.=C2- I emailed the POH directly t
o Marty since the procedure he was asking for is in the POH, (in case he do
esn't have one).Dennis
From: Jean-Philippe Martel <marty.jpm@gmail.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 4:55 AM
Subject: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
Hi!
Could any YAK 52 driver kindly remind me the official emergency procedure t
o gear down in case of full pressure loss in the normal circuit, please?
Thank you in advance! =F0=9F=98=8A
MartyFrance
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| Subject: | Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down |
Indeed I don't doubt =F0=9F=98=8A I already saw what you described.
Back to the procedure in flight, the selectors on neutral position +
activation of the emergency valve are enough to provoke the emergency gear
down? Or does one have to pull down the front selector as well?
Le 24 sept. 2017 13:06, "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
a =C3=A9crit :
> FYI - Flaps do not work from the emergency air system. If you doubt this
> to be true, then test it the next time you have the airplane on jacks doi
ng
> a gear retraction/extension test when doing the emergency gear extension
> test.
>
> With the rear gear selector in the neutral position and the main air valv
e
> closed, once you place the front gear selector in neutral, all the residu
al
> air pressure in the system forward of the main air valve, is depleted.
> Then open the emergency air valve to extend the gear. Now attempt to put
> the flaps down.
> Dennis
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Nigel Willson <nigel.willson@yakdisplay.com>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:52 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
>
> Both gear selectors to neutral. Open emergency air valve. Do not use flap
s
> since this will use emergency air that could be used for braking.
>
>
> *Regards,*
> *Nigel Willson*
> *Flying Instructor & Examiner | Airshow Organiser | Display Pilot*
> http://yakdisplay. com
> Tel. 07809 116676
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7 - powered by Three
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jean-Philippe Martel <marty.jpm@gmail.com>
> Date: 24/09/2017 09:51 (GMT+00:00)
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
>
> Hi!
>
> Could any YAK 52 driver kindly remind me the official emergency procedure
> to gear down in case of full pressure loss in the normal circuit, please?
>
> Thank you in advance! =F0=9F=98=8A
>
> Marty
> France
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down |
On CJ, emergency air does supply flaps and brakes.
Ernie
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 7:06 AM A. Dennis Savarese <
dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> FYI - Flaps do not work from the emergency air system. If you doubt this
> to be true, then test it the next time you have the airplane on jacks doi
ng
> a gear retraction/extension test when doing the emergency gear extension
> test.
>
> With the rear gear selector in the neutral position and the main air valv
e
> closed, once you place the front gear selector in neutral, all the residu
al
> air pressure in the system forward of the main air valve, is depleted.
> Then open the emergency air valve to extend the gear. Now attempt to put
> the flaps down.
> Dennis
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Nigel Willson <nigel.willson@yakdisplay.com>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:52 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
>
> Both gear selectors to neutral. Open emergency air valve. Do not use flap
s
> since this will use emergency air that could be used for braking.
>
>
> *Regards,*
> *Nigel Willson*
> *Flying Instructor & Examiner | Airshow Organiser | Display Pilot*
> http://yakdisplay. com
> Tel. 07809 116676
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7 - powered by Three
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jean-Philippe Martel <marty.jpm@gmail.com>
> Date: 24/09/2017 09:51 (GMT+00:00)
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
>
> Hi!
>
> Could any YAK 52 driver kindly remind me the official emergency procedure
> to gear down in case of full pressure loss in the normal circuit, please?
>
> Thank you in advance! =F0=9F=98=8A
>
> Marty
> France
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down |
Yes, that's true.=C2- But on the 52 it does not.
Dennis
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
On CJ, emergency air does supply flaps and brakes.
Ernie
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 7:06 AM A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth
.net> wrote:
FYI - Flaps do not work from the emergency air system.=C2- If you doubt t
his to be true, then test it the next time you have the airplane on jacks d
oing a gear retraction/extension test when doing the emergency gear extensi
on test.
With the rear gear selector in the neutral position and the main air valve
closed, once you place the front gear selector in neutral, all the residual
air pressure in the system forward of the main air valve, is depleted.=C2
- Then open the emergency air valve to extend the gear.=C2- Now attempt
to put the flaps down.=C2-
Dennis
From: Nigel Willson <nigel.willson@yakdisplay.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
Both gear selectors to neutral. Open emergency air valve. Do not use flaps
since this will use emergency air that could be used for braking.
Regards,
| Nigel WillsonFlying Instructor & Examiner | Airshow Organiser | Display P
ilothttp://yakdisplay. comTel. 07809 116676 |
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7 - powered by Three
-------- Original message --------From: Jean-Philippe Martel <marty.jpm@gma
il.com> Date: 24/09/2017 09:51 (GMT+00:00) To: yak-list@matronics.com Subje
ct: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
Hi!
Could any YAK 52 driver kindly remind me the official emergency procedure t
o gear down in case of full pressure loss in the normal circuit, please?
Thank you in advance! =F0=9F=98=8A
MartyFrance
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| Subject: | Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down |
No, you do not move the gear selector after you place it in neutral.=C2-
The emergency air system is designed to extend the gear without the movemen
t of the front gear selector.=C2- The emergency system is totally indepen
dent of the main air system and the gear selectors.
After you have extended the gear with the emergency system, th time to move
the front gear selector back to the DOWN position is after you have parked
the airplane and shut the engine down.Dennis=C2-
From: Jean-Philippe Martel <marty.jpm@gmail.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
Indeed I don't doubt =C2-=F0=9F=98=8A I already saw what you described.
Back to the procedure in flight, the selectors on neutral position + activa
tion of the emergency valve are enough to provoke the emergency gear down?
Or does one have to pull down the front selector as well?
Le=C2-24 sept. 2017 13:06, "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.
net> a =C3=A9crit=C2-:
FYI - Flaps do not work from the emergency air system.=C2- If you doubt t
his to be true, then test it the next time you have the airplane on jacks d
oing a gear retraction/extension test when doing the emergency gear extensi
on test.
With the rear gear selector in the neutral position and the main air valve
closed, once you place the front gear selector in neutral, all the residual
air pressure in the system forward of the main air valve, is depleted.=C2
- Then open the emergency air valve to extend the gear.=C2- Now attempt
to put the flaps down.=C2-
Dennis
From: Nigel Willson <nigel.willson@yakdisplay.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
Both gear selectors to neutral. Open emergency air valve. Do not use flaps
since this will use emergency air that could be used for braking.
Regards,
| Nigel WillsonFlying Instructor & Examiner | Airshow Organiser | Display P
ilothttp://yakdisplay. comTel. 07809 116676 |
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7 - powered by Three
-------- Original message --------From: Jean-Philippe Martel <marty.jpm@gma
il.com> Date: 24/09/2017 09:51 (GMT+00:00) To: yak-list@matronics.com Subje
ct: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
Hi!
Could any YAK 52 driver kindly remind me the official emergency procedure t
o gear down in case of full pressure loss in the normal circuit, please?
Thank you in advance! =F0=9F=98=8A
MartyFrance
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| Subject: | Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down |
Hi Dennis;
Is there some provision in the Yak 52 POH that prohibits movement of the ge
ar selector to =9Cdown=9D after an emergency down operation?
Of course every licensed and qualified CJ and Yak pilot thoroughly understa
nds that the emergency gear down operation completely by-passes the gear se
lectors
and directs emerg. air directly to the down side of the actuators. They kn
ow this due to their enormous diligence in understanding their aircraft!
Moving the temporarily inoperable gear selector to the down postition is ca
lled =9Cgood housekeeping=9D, probably because that is were it
=99supposed to be during
landing.
Cheers;
Walt
From: A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
No, you do not move the gear selector after you place it in neutral. The e
mergency air system is designed to extend the gear without the movement of
the front gear selector. The emergency system is totally independent of th
e main air system and the gear selectors.
After you have extended the gear with the emergency system, th time to move
the front gear selector back to the DOWN position is after you have parked
the airplane and shut the engine down.
Dennis
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From: Jean-Philippe Martel <marty.jpm@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
Indeed I don't doubt =F0=9F=98=8A I already saw what you described.
Back to the procedure in flight, the selectors on neutral position + activa
tion of the emergency valve are enough to provoke the emergency gear down?
Or does one have to pull down the front selector as well?
Le 24 sept. 2017 13:06, "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
a =C3=A9crit :
FYI - Flaps do not work from the emergency air system. If you doubt this
to be true, then test it the next time you have the airplane on jacks doin
g a gear retraction/extension test when doing the emergency gear extension
test.
With the rear gear selector in the neutral position and the main air valv
e closed, once you place the front gear selector in neutral, all the residu
al air pressure in the system forward of the main air valve, is depleted.
Then open the emergency air valve to extend the gear. Now attempt to put t
he flaps down.
Dennis
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From: Nigel Willson <nigel.willson@yakdisplay.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
Both gear selectors to neutral. Open emergency air valve. Do not use flap
s since this will use emergency air that could be used for braking.
Regards,
Nigel Willson
Flying Instructor & Examiner | Airsh3901238792082250297yiv221418967
7MsoNormal">http://yakdisplay. com
Tel. 07809 116676
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7 - powered by Three
-------- Original message --------
From: Jean-Philippe Martel <marty.jpm@gmail.com>
Date: 24/09/2017 09:51 (GMT+00:00)
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
Hi!
Could any YAK 52 driver kindly remind me the official emergency procedure
to gear down in case of full pressure loss in the normal circuit, please?
Thank you in advance! =F0=9F=98=8A
Marty
France
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| Subject: | Re: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down |
Hi Walt,Actually, no there isn't any reason not to move the gear selector t
o the down position.=C2- I prefer not to tell someone to go ahead and do
it because you know how these highly qualified Yak and CJ pilots are..=C2
- They will say "well, Dennis told me I should put the gear selector down
" when in actuality, all I would ever say is, "it doesn't matter".=C2-=C2
- The question that was posed on the Yak list was, "do I have to move the
gear selector to the down position after I open the emergency air valve to
get the gear to come down?"=C2- Now that type of question demonstrates t
o you and I how highly qualified the person who asked the question is in hi
s Yak or CJ.
In my mind when there is a high stress situation in the cockpit, I like to
emphasize the KISS method of doing things.=C2- You know, "keep it simple,
stupid".=C2- If the pilot waits until he has taxied in and shuts down th
e engine, then he can do his housekeeping without any undo stress.=C2- At
least that is my way of thinking.
All the best,Dennis
From: Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
Hi Dennis;=C2-Is there some provision in the Yak 52 POH that prohibits mo
vement of thegear selector to =9Cdown=9D after an emergency dow
n operation?=C2-Of course every licensed and qualified CJ and Yak pilot t
horoughlyunderstands that the emergency gear down operation completely by-p
asses the gearselectorsand directs emerg. air directly to the down side of
the actuators.=C2-They know this due to their enormous diligence in under
standing theiraircraft!=C2-Moving the temporarily inoperable gear selecto
r to the down postition iscalled =9Cgood housekeeping=9D,=C2-
probably because that is were it =99supposed tobe during landing.=C2
-Cheers;WaltFrom: A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:4
9 AMTo: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure fo
r emergency geardown=C2-No, you do not move the gearselector after you pl
ace it in neutral.=C2- The emergency air system isdesigned to extend the
gear without the movement of the front gearselector.=C2- The emergency sy
stem is totally independent of the main airsystem and the gear selectors.
=C2-After you have extended the gearwith the emergency system, th time to
move the front gear selector back to theDOWN position is after you have pa
rked the airplane and shut the enginedown.Dennis=C2-
From: Jean-Philippe Martel <marty.jpm@gmail.com>
To:yak-list@matronics.com
Sent:Sunday, September 24, 2017 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedurefor emergency gear down
=C2-Indeed I don't doubt=C2- =F0=9F=98=8A Ialready saw what you describ
ed.=C2-Back to the procedure in flight, the selectors on neutral position
r down?Or does one have to pull down the front selector as well?=C2-Le 24
sept. 2017 13:06, "A. Dennis Savarese"<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>a =C3
=A9crit :
FYI - Flaps do not work from the emergency air system.=C2- If you doub
t this to be true, then test it the next time you have the airplane on jack
s doing a gear retraction/extension test when doing the emergency gear exte
nsion test. =C2- With the rear gear selector in the neutral position and
the main air valve closed, once you place the front gear selector in neutra
l, all the residual air pressure in the system forward of the main air valv
e, is depleted.=C2- Then open the emergency air valve to extend the gear.
=C2- Now attempt to put the flaps down.=C2-
Dennis
From: Nigel Willson <nigel.willson@yakdisplay.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down
=C2- Both gear selectors to neutral. Open emergency air valve. Do not
use flaps since this will use emergency air that could be used for braking
. =C2- =C2- Regards,
| Nigel Willson Flying Instructor & Examiner | Airsh3901238792082250297yiv
2214189677MsoNormal">http://yakdisplay. com Tel. 07809 116676 |
=C2- Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7 - powered by Three =C2- --------
Original message -------- From: Jean-Philippe Martel <marty.jpm@gmail.com>
Date: 24/09/2017 09:51 (GMT+00:00) To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject:
Yak-List: YAK 52 - Procedure for emergency gear down =C2- Hi! =C2- Cou
ld any YAK 52 driver kindly remind me the official emergency procedure to g
ear down in case of full pressure loss in the normal circuit,please? =C2-
Thank you in advance! =F0=9F=98=8A =C2- Marty France =C2-
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