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1. 11:56 AM - Major Upgrade to Airport Courtesy Cars Site-Please Read. (gbrasch)
2. 01:05 PM - Re: Yak 52 for sale (Chris Ober)
3. 01:11 PM - Re: Yak 52 for sale (Chris Ober)
4. 02:14 PM - WON'T START (Bill1200)
5. 02:18 PM - Re: Seattle /Washington YAK52 owners & enthusiasts (Bill1200)
6. 02:28 PM - Re: WON'T START (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 02:39 PM - Re: WON'T START (Bill1200)
8. 02:48 PM - Re: WON'T START (Hank Gibson)
9. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: WON'T START (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 03:01 PM - Re: WON'T START (Bill1200)
11. 03:05 PM - Re: WON'T START (Bill1200)
12. 03:28 PM - Re: WON'T START (William Geipel)
13. 03:37 PM - Re: WON'T START (Bill1200)
14. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: WON'T START (William Geipel)
15. 04:45 PM - Re: WON'T START (bill wade)
16. 05:02 PM - Re: WON'T START (Bill1200)
17. 11:04 PM - Official Yak-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
18. 11:10 PM - Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Major Upgrade to Airport Courtesy Cars Site-Please Read. |
If you are a user of the Airport Courtesy Cars site, I would like to inform you
of a major upgrade and improvement. Effective mid December, A.C.C.'s will be
fully web based, and will continue to be a secure site. Many of you over the past
couple of years have asked for these improvements, the biggest user request
being the site does not work on certain devices. By converting A.C.C's to a
web based site, the advantage is clear, the site will now work on any device.
Also, there is no possibility of bugs or crashes like an app. The information
will be the same.
During this transition period, it is important for you to bookmark the web address
on your device so your service remains uninterrupted. For further information,
click on the large red banner on the main page of the site, or here:
https://www.airportcourtesycars.com/app-update.html
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Website www.airportcourtesycars.com
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 for sale |
Finished up the annual this weekend.
It needs nothing. Here Is the more complete spec sheet that I=99ve pro
mised some list members:
TCI SSD120-30N Altitude encoder
ATC Transponder King KT 76A
Both modern and Russian radios installed and working
MT 3 blade prop
Mig 15 Center console radio rack with relocated heat ducts
Shadin fuel flow system
Engine block heater
Setup for auxiliary fuel tank (currently removed for smoke system)
Landing light on front gear assembly
Wing Strobes
Lights on front and back panels
night rated
"Smoking Airplanes" smoke system
3 camera dvr recording system
Oil scavenge pump
All tail feathers were professionally recovered and painted in 2015 with Sti
ts - heavy
Fod kit
remote bottom cylinders drain
remote snot valve
7 point Hooker harnesses.
Includes 2 chutes
Chris Ober
3092080323
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On Sep 22, 2017, at 2:24 PM, Chris Ober <christopherjober@gmail.com> wrote:
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Chris Ober
3092080323
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On Sep 21, 2017, at 7:23 AM, Chris Ober <christopherjober@gmail.com> wrote:
Unfortunately I'm going to be listing my Yak-52 for sale. 1992 very nice exa
mple, needs nothing, a great running plane. Has a mig center council and a s
moke system. Dual radios, new transponder, MT 3 blade prop, full canopy cove
r, comes with 2 chutes. I can get you any other details you need. Please pm m
e for any other info including price. It's a beautiful plane. It will come w
ith a fresh annual.
Chris Ober
3092080323
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 for sale |
Finished up the annual this weekend.
It needs nothing. Here Is the more complete spec sheet that I=99ve pro
mised some list members:
TCI SSD120-30N Altitude encoder
ATC Transponder King KT 76A
Both modern and Russian radios installed and working
MT 3 blade prop
Mig 15 Center console radio rack with relocated heat ducts
Shadin fuel flow system
Engine block heater
Setup for auxiliary fuel tank (currently removed for smoke system)
Landing light on front gear assembly
Wing Strobes
Lights on front and back panels
night rated
"Smoking Airplanes" smoke system
3 camera dvr recording system
Oil scavenge pump
All tail feathers were professionally recovered and painted in 2015 with Sti
ts - heavy
Fod kit
remote bottom cylinders drain
remote snot valve
7 point Hooker harnesses.
Includes 2 chutes
Chris Ober
3092080323
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 22, 2017, at 2:24 PM, Chris Ober <christopherjober@gmail.com> wrote:
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Chris Ober
3092080323
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 21, 2017, at 7:23 AM, Chris Ober <christopherjober@gmail.com> wrote:
Unfortunately I'm going to be listing my Yak-52 for sale. 1992 very nice exa
mple, needs nothing, a great running plane. Has a mig center council and a s
moke system. Dual radios, new transponder, MT 3 blade prop, full canopy cove
r, comes with 2 chutes. I can get you any other details you need. Please pm m
e for any other info including price. It's a beautiful plane. It will come w
ith a fresh annual.
Chris Ober
3092080323
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1982 Yak 52
Has always been difficult to start. Cold weather almost impossible without 2-3
tanks of air added. warm weather still difficult.
Have tried different priming techniques found online, no help.
Fuel pressure guage never stays in green during system side prime. Cylinder prime
floods after 4-5 pumps, as evidenced by gas coming out the oil drain (add on
to help prevent hydraulic lock)
question: should the fuel pressure stay in the green with system side prime
Any bullet proof starting techniques would be appreciated
Additional info: runs great once it starts. will start fine if I go somewhere and
park briefly. Park overnight and same hard start. Fresh annual one month ago
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| Subject: | Re: Seattle /Washington YAK52 owners & enthusiasts |
Have a 1982 Yak 52 for sale. Check Barnstomers add. I live in Medford Oregon
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Have you tried the starting procedure on my web site? See attached.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 10/1/2017 5:14 PM, Bill1200 wrote:
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> 1982 Yak 52
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> Has always been difficult to start. Cold weather almost impossible without 2-3
tanks of air added. warm weather still difficult.
> Have tried different priming techniques found online, no help.
>
> Fuel pressure guage never stays in green during system side prime. Cylinder prime
floods after 4-5 pumps, as evidenced by gas coming out the oil drain (add
on to help prevent hydraulic lock)
>
> question: should the fuel pressure stay in the green with system side prime
>
> Any bullet proof starting techniques would be appreciated
>
> Additional info: runs great once it starts. will start fine if I go somewhere
and park briefly. Park overnight and same hard start. Fresh annual one month
ago
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473242#473242
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I have Dennis and in the winter I would use your technique after warming the engine
for 20-30 minutes with a propane heater, seemed to help but was never totally
reliable.
Want is your input on the fuel pressure gauge not staying in the green while priming
the system side? Thanks
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Bill-
Do you prime while hitting start button? That will always help; crack the throttle
open just a bit more?... also check the air distributor check valves at
each cylinder (where the metal pipes end from the distributor) as they can corrode
and block/leak starting air; the QDF-1 start solenoid lower half can be a
source of bad/no starts and can leak air or not open properly due to corrosion.
I would confirm that the QDF-1 is operating properly first when you hit the
start button. Next would be the start coil/shower of sparks which might be
weak for some reason. New and properly gapped spark plugs? Air, Fuel and Spark;
has to be one of those three things...probably a simple system fix or tweak
of your starting technique that others can chime in with advice.
Hoot
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> On Oct 1, 2017, at 5:14 PM, Bill1200 <billdykes52@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> 1982 Yak 52
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> Has always been difficult to start. Cold weather almost impossible without 2-3
tanks of air added. warm weather still difficult.
> Have tried different priming techniques found online, no help.
>
> Fuel pressure guage never stays in green during system side prime. Cylinder prime
floods after 4-5 pumps, as evidenced by gas coming out the oil drain (add
on to help prevent hydraulic lock)
>
> question: should the fuel pressure stay in the green with system side prime
>
> Any bullet proof starting techniques would be appreciated
>
> Additional info: runs great once it starts. will start fine if I go somewhere
and park briefly. Park overnight and same hard start. Fresh annual one month
ago
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473242#473242
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That shouldn't be a problem.
I'd suggest you may want to first test and then maybe replace the starting
coil wire from the starting coil to the left mag.=C2- You can test it wit
h two people.=C2- Remove the starting coil wire from the left magneto.=C2
- Next, bleed ALL the air off using the brake handle WITH the main air va
lve turned off.=C2- ie: until you not longer can hear the "woosh" sound w
hen you squeeze and release the brake handle.=C2- Now, with a pair of pli
es with rubber grips, have the second person hold the tip of the starting c
oil wire off of any metal attached to the engine about 3/8-1/2".=C2- Next
, turn on the battery and ignition switches in the cockpits and press the S
TART button.=C2- The engine will not rotate because you have no air forwa
rd of the main air valve.=C2- The spark from the starting coil wire shoul
d jump to ground at least about 3/8".=C2- If the second person has to hol
d the starting coil wire very close to ground to get the spark to jump, you
should replace the starting coil wire.=C2- It's a 7mm wire.=C2- Not 5m
m like the original spark plug wires.=C2-
If after replacing the starting coil wire you still do not have a good, sol
id, spark that jumps at least 3/8", then the points in the starting coil ar
e probably mounded and need burnishing.
Dennis
From: Bill1200 <billdykes52@hotmail.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 5:40 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: WON'T START
I have Dennis and in the winter I would use your technique after warming th
e engine for 20-30 minutes with a propane heater, seemed to help but was ne
ver totally reliable.
Want is your input on the fuel pressure gauge not staying in the green whil
e priming the system side? Thanks
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Hoot, yes I have always needed to prime a couple of times ONCE it kicks over. But
even with the blades spinning now I don't even get a partial firing, prop just
spins
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Thanks Dennis, I'll try tomorrow, and post the results
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You primed as someone pulled the blade thru?
I usually pull about 4 blades as we prime. Fires up immediately.
> On Oct 1, 2017, at 15:14, Bill1200 <billdykes52@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> 1982 Yak 52
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> Has always been difficult to start. Cold weather almost impossible without 2-3
tanks of air added. warm weather still difficult.
> Have tried different priming techniques found online, no help.
>
> Fuel pressure guage never stays in green during system side prime. Cylinder prime
floods after 4-5 pumps, as evidenced by gas coming out the oil drain (add
on to help prevent hydraulic lock)
>
> question: should the fuel pressure stay in the green with system side prime
>
> Any bullet proof starting techniques would be appreciated
>
> Additional info: runs great once it starts. will start fine if I go somewhere
and park briefly. Park overnight and same hard start. Fresh annual one month
ago
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473242#473242
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Dawg
no, if it's warm outside, I pull the blades, prime the system, prime the cylinders,
crank it, if it tries to start I usually have to prime it 2-3 times to keep
it running
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Its better if someone primes cylinders while being turned. When ready to start
a few more shots to the cylinders, (the right) then a few to the left.
With that procedure it will start with as little as 2.5 on the air. If using nitrogen,
open the throttle almost half.
> On Oct 1, 2017, at 16:37, Bill1200 <billdykes52@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Dawg
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> no, if it's warm outside, I pull the blades, prime the system, prime the cylinders,
crank it, if it tries to start I usually have to prime it 2-3 times to
keep it running
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Bill Do you have the auto plug conversion and when do you close the oil dra
in? Mine does not stay in the green after priming system. Is the shower of
sparks working i.e. does it fire before turning mags on?Bill Wade N4450Y
From: Bill1200 <billdykes52@hotmail.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 5:26 PM
Subject: Yak-List: WON'T START
1982 Yak 52
Has always been difficult to start. Cold weather almost impossible without
2-3 tanks of air added. warm weather still difficult.
Have tried different priming techniques found online, no help.
Fuel pressure guage never stays in green during system side prime. Cylinder
prime floods after 4-5 pumps, as evidenced by gas coming out the oil drain
(add on to help prevent hydraulic lock)
question: should the fuel pressure stay in the green with system side prime
Any bullet proof starting techniques would be appreciated
Additional info: runs great once it starts. will start fine if I go somewhe
re and park briefly. Park overnight and same hard start. Fresh annual one m
onth ago
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473242#473242
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Yes, auto plug conversion last year
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Yak-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Yak-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Yak-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Yak-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Yak-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Yak-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Yak-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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