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1. 02:26 AM - CJ stock ignition wires (Harv)
2. 03:23 AM - Re: CJ stock ignition wires (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 04:00 AM - Re: CJ stock ignition wires (dabear@damned.org)
4. 04:35 AM - Re: CJ stock ignition wires (Harv)
5. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: CJ stock ignition wires (Anthony Savarese)
6. 09:57 AM - Re: No SNOT (Mark Davis)
7. 10:12 AM - Re: No SNOT (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 10:52 AM - Re: No SNOT (Hank Gibson)
9. 11:06 AM - Re: No SNOT (Richard Goode)
10. 11:12 AM - Re: No SNOT (A. Dennis Savarese)
11. 11:19 AM - Re: No SNOT (Mark Davis)
12. 11:51 AM - Re: No SNOT (A. Dennis Savarese)
13. 12:06 PM - Re: No SNOT (Gary Gabbard)
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| Subject: | CJ stock ignition wires |
Good morning
Would someone be so kind as to supply me with the size and spec of the stock OEM
HT ignition wires for the housai?
I am going to replace all my leads with new and will make them up in situ.
Not looking to go automotive plugs and thick dia wires tie wrapped to intake tubes
at this time
Thanks
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473604#473604
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| Subject: | Re: CJ stock ignition wires |
Harv,
FYI - the automotive conversion kit is designed so you can either
tie-wrap the wires OR you can reuse the stand-off clamps that are used
with the original ignition harness. The instructions with the kit gives
you the option to install it either way.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 10/16/2017 5:26 AM, Harv wrote:
>
> Good morning
>
> Would someone be so kind as to supply me with the size and spec of the stock
OEM HT ignition wires for the housai?
>
> I am going to replace all my leads with new and will make them up in situ.
>
> Not looking to go automotive plugs and thick dia wires tie wrapped to intake
tubes at this time
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473604#473604
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ stock ignition wires |
Having 1600 hours in the CJ and Yak 52 and about half that with original
wires/plugs vs. Dennis' wires/plugs (on 2 different engines) I can tell
you Dennis' wire conversion is FAR SUPERIOR to stock. The first time I
did the conversion I waiting until the wires broke down and I had
ignition problems, the second time I just purchased them on the engine.
No one that I'm aware of has ever complained about doing the conversion
after flying with it.
Up to you....
Bear
On 10/16/2017 6:21 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Harv,
> FYI - the automotive conversion kit is designed so you can either
> tie-wrap the wires OR you can reuse the stand-off clamps that are used
> with the original ignition harness. The instructions with the kit
> gives you the option to install it either way.
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
> On 10/16/2017 5:26 AM, Harv wrote:
>>
>> Good morning
>>
>> Would someone be so kind as to supply me with the size and spec of
>> the stock OEM HT ignition wires for the housai?
>>
>> I am going to replace all my leads with new and will make them up in
>> situ.
>>
>> Not looking to go automotive plugs and thick dia wires tie wrapped to
>> intake tubes at this time
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473604#473604
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ stock ignition wires |
Thanks
I have nothing against the automotive conversion I just thought the large dia 8mm
leads wont pull through the stock harness ring on the back of the engine?
As I have low time stock plugs and lots of new parts in the caps at the plug ends
I wanted to stick with those parts for now.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473607#473607
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| Subject: | Re: CJ stock ignition wires |
You are correct. They will not pull thru the original ring. (18-5mm wires vs..
18-8mm wires) The ring is removed during the installation of the automotive conversation
kit.
If you have not pulled replacement 5 mm wires thru the original ring, you will
need a lot patience. When first installed, the ring and wire assemblies are assembled
"on the bench" then installed on the engine. That's why the ring splits
at the top-center. The original 5mm wires are loosely laced together and then
passed thru the ring halves.
Dennis
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 16, 2017, at 7:35 AM, Harv <martin.harvey@kbr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks
>
> I have nothing against the automotive conversion I just thought the large dia
8mm leads wont pull through the stock harness ring on the back of the engine?
>
> As I have low time stock plugs and lots of new parts in the caps at the plug
ends I wanted to stick with those parts for now.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473607#473607
>
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Update on the notso snotty snot valve. We removed it yesterday and it
was completely obstructed with coagulated snot/debris. 30 minutes of
flushing with avgas still had it letting small and large chunks go. We
switched to hot tap water with Dawn dishwashing detergent and that
seemed to let bigger chunks go faster. We vibrated it with the rough
spot on a bench grinder as is sped up and slowed down, beat on it with
the plastic handle of a screwdriver and blew it out after every
flush/cleaning attempt. It took two hours and probably 40 cleaning
cycles before it looked like we were getting to the end of the junk.
The final flushes with avgas dumped into a coffee filter looked pretty
good. It now works properly. If we'd had an ultrasonic cleaner it
probably would have been the best method to get it all soaked/vibrated
loose.
The rebuilt compressor works fine. The rubber tip on the piston in the
pop off valve was bad and limiting the pressure build up.
Mark Davis
N44YK
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
Rebuilt compressor may very well be the problem. Over the years I've
seen several so-called "rebuilt" compressors fail in more ways than one.
Dennis
_____
From: William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
We replaced the compressor. This is a new rebuild.
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 08:43, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@ziggo.nl> wrote:
>
>
> Dennis,
>
> I don't wanna be a smart ass but I think you mean air-water
separator(?)
> rather then air-oil separator.
> After all in our air system in the Yak and I assume in the CJ as well
you
> wanna have some oil in the air...better for the actuators...
>
> I think, despite the swap of all items already, there is only one
thing left
> again to replace...the air compressor.
> In the beginning of my Yak career I have had 3 compressors that were
not
> doing what they were supposed to do i.e. deliver 50 bars of air. Now
since
> the last 12 years I've had no problem whatsoever....touch wood!
>
> Regards,
>
> Hans O.
> PH-YAK
>
>
> Op 14-10-17 15:38, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
schreef:
>
>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> No. The snot bottle is an air-oil separator anddoes its jobfrom the
>> beginning of the first burst of air pressure from the compressor.
>>
>> A. Dennis Savarese
>> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
>> www.yak-52.com
>> Skype - Yakguy1
>>
>> On 10/14/2017 9:30 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
>>> Sounds like everything that can and should be
checked/replaced/cleaned
>>> has been, possibly (?) barring extensive port cleaning Dennis
>>> describes...
>>> I'm wondering... is there a minimum system pressure required in the
>>> main tank & lines before the snot-pot will give its typical & very
>>> audible behavior?
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 7:47 AM, A. Dennis Savarese
>>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>> You said the bottle pressure increases. In your judgement, is it
>>> taking longer to fill the air bottle or about the same amount of
time?
>>>
>>> Did you remove the snot bottle and flush out all 3 orifices? ie:
>>> Input side; Output side AND the drain? You can immerse the snot
>>> bottle in avgas, shake it around inside the snot bottle, then
with
>>> your fingers, plug up two openings and let it drain out the 3rd
>>> opening. Repeat the process for all 3 openings until everything
>>> that flushes out is avgas-clear.
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com
<mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
>>> *To:* Yaklist <yak-list@matronics.com
>>> <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2017 11:36 PM
>>> *
>>> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
>>>
>>> No air or discharge from SNOT valve. New air compressor, new
>>> pop-off valve, cleaned entire valve, snot valve seals properly,
>>> new check valve at fill point, sprayed so much soapy water that I
>>> was afraid to turn on electricity. No leaks found all the way to
>>> the gauges. Blew air from compressor in to airplane: snot valve
is
>>> clean and tight, bottle pressure increased.
>>>
>>> Not much else to change. Any thoughts?
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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Many people completely ignore flushing the snot bottle every couple of year
s and the result is exactly what you've experienced Mark.=C2- Glad you go
t it fixed.Dennis
From: Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: No SNOT
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nt and that seemed to let bigger chunks go faster.=C2- We vibrated it wit
h the rough spot on a bench grinder as is sped up and slowed down, beat on
it with the plastic handle of a screwdriver and blew it out after every flu
sh/cleaning attempt.=C2- It took two hours and probably 40 cleaning cycle
s before it looked like we were getting to the end of the junk. =C2-The f
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ly would have been the best method to get it all soaked/vibrated loose.=C2
- =C2-The rebuilt compressor works fine.=C2- The rubber tip on the p
iston in the pop off valve was bad and limiting the pressure build up. =C2
-Mark DavisN44YK
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Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: No SNOT =C2-Rebuilt compressor may very well be th
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essors fail in more ways than one. =C2- Dennis =C2-From: William Geipel
<l129bs@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:30 PM
m Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> =C2-We replaced the compressor. This is a new
rebuild. =C2-> On Oct 14, 2017, at 08:43, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@ziggo.nl>
> Dennis,> > I don't wanna be a smart ass but I think you mean air-water se
parator(?)> rather then air-oil separator.> After all in our air system in
the Yak and I assume in the CJ as well you> wanna have some oil in the air.
..better for the actuators...> > I think, despite the swap of all items alr
eady, there is only one thing left> again to replace...the air compressor.>
In the beginning of my Yak career I have had 3 compressors that were not>
doing what they were supposed to do i.e. deliver 50 bars of air. Now since>
the last 12 years I've had no problem whatsoever....touch wood!> > Regards
,> > Hans O.> PH-YAK> > > Op 14-10-17 15:38, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0
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82 (mobile)>> www.yak-52.com>> Skype - Yakguy1>> >> On 10/14/2017 9:30 AM,
Justin Drafts wrote:>>> Sounds like everything that can and should be check
ed/replaced/cleaned>>> has been, possibly (?) barring extensive port cleani
ng Dennis>>> describes...>>> I'm wondering... is there a minimum system pre
ssure required in the>>> main tank & lines before the snot-pot will give it
s typical & very>>> audible behavior?>>> >>> Justin>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 14,
2017 at 7:47 AM, A. Dennis Savarese>>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto
:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>> wrote:>>> >>>=C2- =C2- Bill,>>>=C2-
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air compressor, new>>>=C2- =C2- pop-off valve, cleaned entire valve, s
not valve seals properly,>>>=C2- =C2- new check valve at fill point, sp
rayed so much soapy water that I>>>=C2- =C2- was afraid to turn on elec
tricity. No leaks found all the way to>>>=C2- =C2- the gauges. Blew air
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Regarding the corroded snot bottle "innards"; recommend replacing both firew
all and belly with a modern SS swagelok ball valve. Won't ever rust so two l
ess future headaches. Awesome mod!! I have learned the hard way that with o
ur pneumatic systems any chance to change to stainless steel components/spri
ngs, along with regular preventative maintenance WILL make for a healthier s
ystem. My 2 cents.
Hoot
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 16, 2017, at 1:10 PM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.n
et> wrote:
>
> Many people completely ignore flushing the snot bottle every couple of yea
rs and the result is exactly what you've experienced Mark. Glad you got it f
ixed.
> Dennis
>
>
> From: Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 12:58 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: No SNOT
>
> Update on the notso snotty snot valve. We removed it yesterday and it was
completely obstructed with coagulated snot/debris. 30 minutes of flushing w
ith avgas still had it letting small and large chunks go. We switched to ho
t tap water with Dawn dishwashing detergent and that seemed to let bigger ch
unks go faster. We vibrated it with the rough spot on a bench grinder as is
sped up and slowed down, beat on it with the plastic handle of a screwdrive
r and blew it out after every flush/cleaning attempt. It took two hours and
probably 40 cleaning cycles before it looked like we were getting to the en
d of the junk. The final flushes with avgas dumped into a coffee filter loo
ked pretty good. It now works properly. If we'd had an ultrasonic cleaner i
t probably would have been the best method to get it all soaked/vibrated loo
se.
>
> The rebuilt compressor works fine. The rubber tip on the piston in the po
p off valve was bad and limiting the pressure build up.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 1:23 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
>
> Rebuilt compressor may very well be the problem. Over the years I've seen
several so-called "rebuilt" compressors fail in more ways than one.
> Dennis
>
> From: William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>
> To: Yaklist <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
>
>
> We replaced the compressor. This is a new rebuild.
>
> > On Oct 14, 2017, at 08:43, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@ziggo.nl> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dennis,
> >
> > I don't wanna be a smart ass but I think you mean air-water separator(?)
> > rather then air-oil separator.
> > After all in our air system in the Yak and I assume in the CJ as well yo
u
> > wanna have some oil in the air...better for the actuators...
> >
> > I think, despite the swap of all items already, there is only one thing l
eft
> > again to replace...the air compressor.
> > In the beginning of my Yak career I have had 3 compressors that were not
> > doing what they were supposed to do i.e. deliver 50 bars of air. Now sin
ce
> > the last 12 years I've had no problem whatsoever....touch wood!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Hans O.
> > PH-YAK
> >
> >
> > Op 14-10-17 15:38, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> schr
eef:
> >
> >> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> >>
> >> No. The snot bottle is an air-oil separator anddoes its jobfrom the
> >> beginning of the first burst of air pressure from the compressor.
> >>
> >> A. Dennis Savarese
> >> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> >> www.yak-52.com
> >> Skype - Yakguy1
> >>
> >> On 10/14/2017 9:30 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
> >>> Sounds like everything that can and should be checked/replaced/cleaned
> >>> has been, possibly (?) barring extensive port cleaning Dennis
> >>> describes...
> >>> I'm wondering... is there a minimum system pressure required in the
> >>> main tank & lines before the snot-pot will give its typical & very
> >>> audible behavior?
> >>>
> >>> Justin
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 7:47 AM, A. Dennis Savarese
> >>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>> wro
te:
> >>>
> >>> Bill,
> >>> You said the bottle pressure increases. In your judgement, is it
> >>> taking longer to fill the air bottle or about the same amount of ti
me?
> >>>
> >>> Did you remove the snot bottle and flush out all 3 orifices? ie:
> >>> Input side; Output side AND the drain? You can immerse the snot
> >>> bottle in avgas, shake it around inside the snot bottle, then with
> >>> your fingers, plug up two openings and let it drain out the 3rd
> >>> opening. Repeat the process for all 3 openings until everything
> >>> that flushes out is avgas-clear.
> >>>
> >>> Dennis
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
> >>> *From:* William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
> >>> *To:* Yaklist <yak-list@matronics.com
> >>> <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>>
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2017 11:36 PM
> >>> *
> >>> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
> >>>
> >>> No air or discharge from SNOT valve. New air compressor, new
> >>> pop-off valve, cleaned entire valve, snot valve seals properly,
> >>> new check valve at fill point, sprayed so much soapy water that I
> >>> was afraid to turn on electricity. No leaks found all the way to
> >>> the gauges. Blew air from compressor in to airplane: snot valve is
> >>> clean and tight, bottle pressure increased.
> >>>
> >>> Not much else to change. Any thoughts?
> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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Ultrasonic cleaning is really the only way to go for this kind of
long-term congealed stuff. This is particularly true of oil coolers
=93 we have many customers complaining of hot oil, and the simple
problem is that they are using 30 year old oil coolers which people have
said that they have "cleaned", simply by flushing them with fuel and
other solvents. The problem is that they have hardened oil insulating
the cooler, and the only way to get rid of this is with ultrasonic
cleaning.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: 16 October 2017 17:56
Subject: RE: Yak-List: No SNOT
Update on the notso snotty snot valve. We removed it yesterday and it
was completely obstructed with coagulated snot/debris. 30 minutes of
flushing with avgas still had it letting small and large chunks go. We
switched to hot tap water with Dawn dishwashing detergent and that
seemed to let bigger chunks go faster. We vibrated it with the rough
spot on a bench grinder as is sped up and slowed down, beat on it with
the plastic handle of a screwdriver and blew it out after every
flush/cleaning attempt. It took two hours and probably 40 cleaning
cycles before it looked like we were getting to the end of the junk.
The final flushes with avgas dumped into a coffee filter looked pretty
good. It now works properly. If we'd had an ultrasonic cleaner it
probably would have been the best method to get it all soaked/vibrated
loose.
The rebuilt compressor works fine. The rubber tip on the piston in the
pop off valve was bad and limiting the pressure build up.
Mark Davis
N44YK
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
Rebuilt compressor may very well be the problem. Over the years I've
seen several so-called "rebuilt" compressors fail in more ways than one.
Dennis
_____
From: William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com> >
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
<mailto:l129bs@gmail.com> >
We replaced the compressor. This is a new rebuild.
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 08:43, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@ziggo.nl
<mailto:pa3arw@ziggo.nl> > wrote:
>
<mailto:pa3arw@ziggo.nl> >
>
> Dennis,
>
> I don't wanna be a smart ass but I think you mean air-water
separator(?)
> rather then air-oil separator.
> After all in our air system in the Yak and I assume in the CJ as well
you
> wanna have some oil in the air...better for the actuators...
>
> I think, despite the swap of all items already, there is only one
thing left
> again to replace...the air compressor.
> In the beginning of my Yak career I have had 3 compressors that were
not
> doing what they were supposed to do i.e. deliver 50 bars of air. Now
since
> the last 12 years I've had no problem whatsoever....touch wood!
>
> Regards,
>
> Hans O.
> PH-YAK
>
>
> Op 14-10-17 15:38, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net
<mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> > schreef:
>
>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> >
>>
>> No. The snot bottle is an air-oil separator anddoes its jobfrom the
>> beginning of the first burst of air pressure from the compressor.
>>
>> A. Dennis Savarese
>> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
>> www.yak-52.com <http://www.yak-52.com>
>> Skype - Yakguy1
>>
>> On 10/14/2017 9:30 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
>>> Sounds like everything that can and should be
checked/replaced/cleaned
>>> has been, possibly (?) barring extensive port cleaning Dennis
>>> describes...
>>> I'm wondering... is there a minimum system pressure required in the
>>> main tank & lines before the snot-pot will give its typical & very
>>> audible behavior?
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 7:47 AM, A. Dennis Savarese
>>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
<mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>> You said the bottle pressure increases. In your judgement, is it
>>> taking longer to fill the air bottle or about the same amount of
time?
>>>
>>> Did you remove the snot bottle and flush out all 3 orifices? ie:
>>> Input side; Output side AND the drain? You can immerse the snot
>>> bottle in avgas, shake it around inside the snot bottle, then
with
>>> your fingers, plug up two openings and let it drain out the 3rd
>>> opening. Repeat the process for all 3 openings until everything
>>> that flushes out is avgas-clear.
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com
<mailto:l129bs@gmail.com> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com
<mailto:l129bs@gmail.com> >>
>>> *To:* Yaklist <yak-list@matronics.com
<mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com> >>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2017 11:36 PM
>>> *
<mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com> >>
>>>
>>> No air or discharge from SNOT valve. New air compressor, new
>>> pop-off valve, cleaned entire valve, snot valve seals properly,
>>> new check valve at fill point, sprayed so much soapy water that I
>>> was afraid to turn on electricity. No leaks found all the way to
>>> the gauges. Blew air from compressor in to airplane: snot valve
is
>>> clean and tight, bottle pressure increased.
>>>
>>> Not much else to change. Any thoughts?
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List>
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Excellent point Richard.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 10/16/2017 2:04 PM, Richard Goode wrote:
>
> Ultrasonic cleaning is really the only way to go for this kind of
> long-term congealed stuff. This is particularly true of oil coolers
> we have many customers complaining of hot oil, and the simple problem
> is that they are using 30 year old oil coolers which people have said
> that they have "cleaned", simply by flushing them with fuel and other
> solvents. The problem is that they have hardened oil insulating the
> cooler, and the only way to get rid of this is with ultrasonic cleaning.
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>
> Rhodds Farm
>
> Lyonshall
>
> Hereford
>
> HR5 3LW
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>
> www.russianaeros.com
>
> *From:*owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Davis
> *Sent:* 16 October 2017 17:56
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: No SNOT
>
> Update on the notso snotty snot valve. We removed it yesterday and it
> was completely obstructed with coagulated snot/debris. 30 minutes of
> flushing with avgas still had it letting small and large chunks go.
> We switched to hot tap water with Dawn dishwashing detergent and that
> seemed to let bigger chunks go faster. We vibrated it with the rough
> spot on a bench grinder as is sped up and slowed down, beat on it with
> the plastic handle of a screwdriver and blew it out after every
> flush/cleaning attempt. It took two hours and probably 40 cleaning
> cycles before it looked like we were getting to the end of the junk.
> The final flushes with avgas dumped into a coffee filter looked
> pretty good. It now works properly. If we'd had an ultrasonic
> cleaner it probably would have been the best method to get it all
> soaked/vibrated loose.
>
> The rebuilt compressor works fine. The rubber tip on the piston in
> the pop off valve was bad and limiting the pressure build up.
>
> Mark Davis
>
> N44YK
>
> *From:*owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *A. Dennis
> Savarese
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 14, 2017 1:23 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
>
> Rebuilt compressor may very well be the problem. Over the years I've
> seen several so-called "rebuilt" compressors fail in more ways than one.
>
> Dennis
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
> *To:* Yaklist <yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:30 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
>
> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
>
> We replaced the compressor. This is a new rebuild.
>
> > On Oct 14, 2017, at 08:43, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@ziggo.nl <mailto:pa3arw@ziggo.nl>> wrote:
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
> > Dennis,
>
> >
>
> > I don't wanna be a smart ass but I think you mean air-water separator(?)
>
> > rather then air-oil separator.
>
> > After all in our air system in the Yak and I assume in the CJ as well you
>
> > wanna have some oil in the air...better for the actuators...
>
> >
>
> > I think, despite the swap of all items already, there is only one thing left
>
> > again to replace...the air compressor.
>
> > In the beginning of my Yak career I have had 3 compressors that were not
>
> > doing what they were supposed to do i.e. deliver 50 bars of air. Now since
>
> > the last 12 years I've had no problem whatsoever....touch wood!
>
> >
>
> > Regards,
>
> >
>
> > Hans O.
>
> > PH-YAK
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Op 14-10-17 15:38, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net
> <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>> schreef:
>
> >
>
>
> >> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>
>
> >>
>
> >> No. The snot bottle is an air-oil separator anddoes its jobfrom the
>
> >> beginning of the first burst of air pressure from the compressor.
>
> >>
>
> >> A. Dennis Savarese
>
> >> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
>
> >> www.yak-52.com <http://www.yak-52.com>
>
> >> Skype - Yakguy1
>
> >>
>
> >> On 10/14/2017 9:30 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
>
> >>> Sounds like everything that can and should be checked/replaced/cleaned
>
> >>> has been, possibly (?) barring extensive port cleaning Dennis
>
> >>> describes...
>
> >>> I'm wondering... is there a minimum system pressure required in the
>
> >>> main tank & lines before the snot-pot will give its typical & very
>
> >>> audible behavior?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Justin
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 7:47 AM, A. Dennis Savarese
>
> >>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net
> <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Bill,
>
> >>> You said the bottle pressure increases. In your judgement, is it
>
> >>> taking longer to fill the air bottle or about the same amount of time?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Did you remove the snot bottle and flush out all 3 orifices? ie:
>
> >>> Input side; Output side AND the drain? You can immerse the snot
>
> >>> bottle in avgas, shake it around inside the snot bottle, then with
>
> >>> your fingers, plug up two openings and let it drain out the 3rd
>
> >>> opening. Repeat the process for all 3 openings until everything
>
> >>> that flushes out is avgas-clear.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Dennis
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>> *From:* William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>
> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>>
>
> >>> *To:* Yaklist <yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
>
> >>> <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>>>
>
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2017 11:36 PM
>
> >>> *
>
> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>
>
> >>> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> No air or discharge from SNOT valve. New air compressor, new
>
> >>> pop-off valve, cleaned entire valve, snot valve seals properly,
>
> >>> new check valve at fill point, sprayed so much soapy water that I
>
> >>> was afraid to turn on electricity. No leaks found all the way to
>
> >>> the gauges. Blew air from compressor in to airplane: snot valve is
>
> >>> clean and tight, bottle pressure increased.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Not much else to change. Any thoughts?
>
> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>
> >>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List>
>
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Dennis,
Not my YAK, just throwing in a hand to get it up and running.
Bill's in Korea (South) torturing 777 pilots for Boeing. I intend to
flush mine now this winter, even though it "blows" lots of snot. Any
reduced capacity from built up crud likely decreases its efficiency in
separating the water. I think I'll try the ultrasonic cleaning method
as well since I likely won't be in a hurry to get it back up and
running. Lots of time to spare when my hangar has deep snow drifts in
front of it......
Mark
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
Many people completely ignore flushing the snot bottle every couple of
years and the result is exactly what you've experienced Mark. Glad you
got it fixed.
Dennis
_____
From: Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: No SNOT
Update on the notso snotty snot valve. We removed it yesterday and it
was completely obstructed with coagulated snot/debris. 30 minutes of
flushing with avgas still had it letting small and large chunks go. We
switched to hot tap water with Dawn dishwashing detergent and that
seemed to let bigger chunks go faster. We vibrated it with the rough
spot on a bench grinder as is sped up and slowed down, beat on it with
the plastic handle of a screwdriver and blew it out after every
flush/cleaning attempt. It took two hours and probably 40 cleaning
cycles before it looked like we were getting to the end of the junk.
The final flushes with avgas dumped into a coffee filter looked pretty
good. It now works properly. If we'd had an ultrasonic cleaner it
probably would have been the best method to get it all soaked/vibrated
loose.
The rebuilt compressor works fine. The rubber tip on the piston in the
pop off valve was bad and limiting the pressure build up.
Mark Davis
N44YK
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
Rebuilt compressor may very well be the problem. Over the years I've
seen several so-called "rebuilt" compressors fail in more ways than one.
Dennis
_____
From: William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
We replaced the compressor. This is a new rebuild.
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 08:43, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@ziggo.nl> wrote:
>
>
> Dennis,
>
> I don't wanna be a smart ass but I think you mean air-water
separator(?)
> rather then air-oil separator.
> After all in our air system in the Yak and I assume in the CJ as well
you
> wanna have some oil in the air...better for the actuators...
>
> I think, despite the swap of all items already, there is only one
thing left
> again to replace...the air compressor.
> In the beginning of my Yak career I have had 3 compressors that were
not
> doing what they were supposed to do i.e. deliver 50 bars of air. Now
since
> the last 12 years I've had no problem whatsoever....touch wood!
>
> Regards,
>
> Hans O.
> PH-YAK
>
>
> Op 14-10-17 15:38, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
schreef:
>
>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> No. The snot bottle is an air-oil separator anddoes its jobfrom the
>> beginning of the first burst of air pressure from the compressor.
>>
>> A. Dennis Savarese
>> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
>> www.yak-52.com <http://www.yak-52.com/>
>> Skype - Yakguy1
>>
>> On 10/14/2017 9:30 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
>>> Sounds like everything that can and should be
checked/replaced/cleaned
>>> has been, possibly (?) barring extensive port cleaning Dennis
>>> describes...
>>> I'm wondering... is there a minimum system pressure required in the
>>> main tank & lines before the snot-pot will give its typical & very
>>> audible behavior?
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 7:47 AM, A. Dennis Savarese
>>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>> You said the bottle pressure increases. In your judgement, is it
>>> taking longer to fill the air bottle or about the same amount of
time?
>>>
>>> Did you remove the snot bottle and flush out all 3 orifices? ie:
>>> Input side; Output side AND the drain? You can immerse the snot
>>> bottle in avgas, shake it around inside the snot bottle, then
with
>>> your fingers, plug up two openings and let it drain out the 3rd
>>> opening. Repeat the process for all 3 openings until everything
>>> that flushes out is avgas-clear.
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com
<mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
>>> *To:* Yaklist <yak-list@matronics.com
>>> <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2017 11:36 PM
>>> *
>>> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
>>>
>>> No air or discharge from SNOT valve. New air compressor, new
>>> pop-off valve, cleaned entire valve, snot valve seals properly,
>>> new check valve at fill point, sprayed so much soapy water that I
>>> was afraid to turn on electricity. No leaks found all the way to
>>> the gauges. Blew air from compressor in to airplane: snot valve
is
>>> clean and tight, bottle pressure increased.
>>>
>>> Not much else to change. Any thoughts?
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Mark,
Excellent! Ihope everyone who reads about cleaning the snot bottle
takes it to heart. BTW, the only "drift" I have outside my hangar in
the winter is the shadow from my hangar because it faces due north. :-)
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 10/16/2017 2:18 PM, Mark Davis wrote:
>
> Dennis,
>
> Not my YAK, just throwing in a hand to get it up and running. Bill's
> in Korea (South) torturing 777 pilots for Boeing. I intend to flush
> mine now this winter, even though it "blows" lots of snot. Any
> reduced capacity from built up crud likely decreases its efficiency in
> separating the water. I think I'll try the ultrasonic cleaning
> method as well since I likely won't be in a hurry to get it back up
> and running. Lots of time to spare when my hangar has deep snow
> drifts in front of it......
>
> Mark
>
> *From:*owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *A. Dennis
> Savarese
> *Sent:* Monday, October 16, 2017 11:11 AM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
>
> Many people completely ignore flushing the snot bottle every couple of
> years and the result is exactly what you've experienced Mark. Glad
> you got it fixed.
>
> Dennis
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org <mailto:markdavis@wbsnet.org>>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 16, 2017 12:58 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: No SNOT
>
> Update on the notso snotty snot valve. We removed it yesterday and it
> was completely obstructed with coagulated snot/debris. 30 minutes of
> flushing with avgas still had it letting small and large chunks go. We
> switched to hot tap water with Dawn dishwashing detergent and that
> seemed to let bigger chunks go faster. We vibrated it with the rough
> spot on a bench grinder as is sped up and slowed down, beat on it with
> the plastic handle of a screwdriver and blew it out after every
> flush/cleaning attempt. It took two hours and probably 40 cleaning
> cycles before it looked like we were getting to the end of the junk.
> The final flushes with avgas dumped into a coffee filter looked
> pretty good. It now works properly. If we'd had an ultrasonic
> cleaner it probably would have been the best method to get it all
> soaked/vibrated loose.
>
> The rebuilt compressor works fine. The rubber tip on the piston in
> the pop off valve was bad and limiting the pressure build up.
>
> Mark Davis
>
> N44YK
>
> *From:*owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *A. Dennis
> Savarese
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 14, 2017 1:23 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
>
> Rebuilt compressor may very well be the problem. Over the years I've
> seen several so-called "rebuilt" compressors fail in more ways than one.
>
> Dennis
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
> *To:* Yaklist <yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:30 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
>
> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
>
> We replaced the compressor. This is a new rebuild.
>
> > On Oct 14, 2017, at 08:43, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@ziggo.nl
> <mailto:pa3arw@ziggo.nl>> wrote:
>
> >
>
> <mailto:pa3arw@ziggo.nl>>
>
> >
>
> > Dennis,
>
> >
>
> > I don't wanna be a smart ass but I think you mean air-water separator(?)
>
> > rather then air-oil separator.
>
> > After all in our air system in the Yak and I assume in the CJ as well you
>
> > wanna have some oil in the air...better for the actuators...
>
> >
>
> > I think, despite the swap of all items already, there is only one
> thing left
>
> > again to replace...the air compressor.
>
> > In the beginning of my Yak career I have had 3 compressors that were not
>
> > doing what they were supposed to do i.e. deliver 50 bars of air. Now
> since
>
> > the last 12 years I've had no problem whatsoever....touch wood!
>
> >
>
> > Regards,
>
> >
>
> > Hans O.
>
> > PH-YAK
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Op 14-10-17 15:38, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net
> <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>> schreef:
>
> >
>
>
> >> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>
>
> >>
>
> >> No. The snot bottle is an air-oil separator anddoes its jobfrom the
>
> >> beginning of the first burst of air pressure from the compressor.
>
> >>
>
> >> A. Dennis Savarese
>
> >> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
>
> >> www.yak-52.com <http://www.yak-52.com/>
>
> >> Skype - Yakguy1
>
> >>
>
> >> On 10/14/2017 9:30 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
>
> >>> Sounds like everything that can and should be checked/replaced/cleaned
>
> >>> has been, possibly (?) barring extensive port cleaning Dennis
>
> >>> describes...
>
> >>> I'm wondering... is there a minimum system pressure required in the
>
> >>> main tank & lines before the snot-pot will give its typical & very
>
> >>> audible behavior?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Justin
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 7:47 AM, A. Dennis Savarese
>
> >>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net
> <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Bill,
>
> >>> You said the bottle pressure increases. In your judgement, is it
>
> >>> taking longer to fill the air bottle or about the same amount of time?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Did you remove the snot bottle and flush out all 3 orifices? ie:
>
> >>> Input side; Output side AND the drain? You can immerse the snot
>
> >>> bottle in avgas, shake it around inside the snot bottle, then with
>
> >>> your fingers, plug up two openings and let it drain out the 3rd
>
> >>> opening. Repeat the process for all 3 openings until everything
>
> >>> that flushes out is avgas-clear.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Dennis
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>> *From:* William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>
> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>>
>
> >>> *To:* Yaklist <yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
>
> >>> <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>>>
>
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2017 11:36 PM
>
> >>> *
>
> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>
>
> >>> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> No air or discharge from SNOT valve. New air compressor, new
>
> >>> pop-off valve, cleaned entire valve, snot valve seals properly,
>
> >>> new check valve at fill point, sprayed so much soapy water that I
>
> >>> was afraid to turn on electricity. No leaks found all the way to
>
> >>> the gauges. Blew air from compressor in to airplane: snot valve is
>
> >>> clean and tight, bottle pressure increased.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Not much else to change. Any thoughts?
>
> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>
> >>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List>
>
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I have found that putting Drano in the bottle and soaking it. Maybe several times
also Eats the rust and crud. Gary. CJ. N22YK
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 16, 2017, at 11:49, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> Mark,
> Excellent! Ihope everyone who reads about cleaning the snot bottle takes it
to heart. BTW, the only "drift" I have outside my hangar in the winter is the
shadow from my hangar because it faces due north. :-)
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
>> On 10/16/2017 2:18 PM, Mark Davis wrote:
>>
>> Dennis,
>>
>> Not my YAK, just throwing in a hand to get it up and running. Bill's in Korea
(South) torturing 777 pilots for Boeing. I intend to flush mine now this
winter, even though it "blows" lots of snot. Any reduced capacity from built
up crud likely decreases its efficiency in separating the water. I think I'll
try the ultrasonic cleaning method as well since I likely won't be in a hurry
to get it back up and running. Lots of time to spare when my hangar has deep
snow drifts in front of it......
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> *From:*owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *A. Dennis Savarese
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 16, 2017 11:11 AM
>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
>>
>> Many people completely ignore flushing the snot bottle every couple of years
and the result is exactly what you've experienced Mark. Glad you got it fixed.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:*Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org <mailto:markdavis@wbsnet.org>>
>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 16, 2017 12:58 PM
>> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: No SNOT
>>
>> Update on the notso snotty snot valve. We removed it yesterday and it was completely
obstructed with coagulated snot/debris. 30 minutes of flushing with
avgas still had it letting small and large chunks go. We switched to hot tap water
with Dawn dishwashing detergent and that seemed to let bigger chunks go faster.
We vibrated it with the rough spot on a bench grinder as is sped up and
slowed down, beat on it with the plastic handle of a screwdriver and blew it
out after every flush/cleaning attempt. It took two hours and probably 40 cleaning
cycles before it looked like we were getting to the end of the junk. The
final flushes with avgas dumped into a coffee filter looked pretty good. It
now works properly. If we'd had an ultrasonic cleaner it probably would have
been the best method to get it all soaked/vibrated loose.
>>
>> The rebuilt compressor works fine. The rubber tip on the piston in the pop
off valve was bad and limiting the pressure build up.
>>
>> Mark Davis
>>
>> N44YK
>>
>> *From:*owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *A.. Dennis Savarese
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 14, 2017 1:23 PM
>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
>>
>> Rebuilt compressor may very well be the problem. Over the years I've seen several
so-called "rebuilt" compressors fail in more ways than one.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:*William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
>> *To:* Yaklist <yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:30 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: No SNOT
>>
>>
>> We replaced the compressor. This is a new rebuild.
>>
>> > On Oct 14, 2017, at 08:43, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@ziggo.nl <mailto:pa3arw@ziggo.nl>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Dennis,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I don't wanna be a smart ass but I think you mean air-water separator(?)
>>
>> > rather then air-oil separator.
>>
>> > After all in our air system in the Yak and I assume in the CJ as well you
>>
>> > wanna have some oil in the air...better for the actuators...
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I think, despite the swap of all items already, there is only one thing left
>>
>> > again to replace...the air compressor.
>>
>> > In the beginning of my Yak career I have had 3 compressors that were not
>>
>> > doing what they were supposed to do i.e. deliver 50 bars of air. Now since
>>
>> > the last 12 years I've had no problem whatsoever....touch wood!
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Regards,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Hans O.
>>
>> > PH-YAK
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Op 14-10-17 15:38, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>> schreef:
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> >> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> No. The snot bottle is an air-oil separator anddoes its jobfrom the
>>
>> >> beginning of the first burst of air pressure from the compressor.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> A. Dennis Savarese
>>
>> >> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
>>
>> >> www.yak-52.com <http://www.yak-52.com/>
>>
>> >> Skype - Yakguy1
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> On 10/14/2017 9:30 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
>>
>> >>> Sounds like everything that can and should be checked/replaced/cleaned
>>
>> >>> has been, possibly (?) barring extensive port cleaning Dennis
>>
>> >>> describes...
>>
>> >>> I'm wondering... is there a minimum system pressure required in the
>>
>> >>> main tank & lines before the snot-pot will give its typical & very
>>
>> >>> audible behavior?
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Justin
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 7:47 AM, A. Dennis Savarese
>>
>> >>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Bill,
>>
>> >>> You said the bottle pressure increases. In your judgement, is it
>>
>> >>> taking longer to fill the air bottle or about the same amount of time?
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Did you remove the snot bottle and flush out all 3 orifices? ie:
>>
>> >>> Input side; Output side AND the drain? You can immerse the snot
>>
>> >>> bottle in avgas, shake it around inside the snot bottle, then with
>>
>> >>> your fingers, plug up two openings and let it drain out the 3rd
>>
>> >>> opening. Repeat the process for all 3 openings until everything
>>
>> >>> that flushes out is avgas-clear.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Dennis
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> >>> *From:* William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>>
>>
>> >>> *To:* Yaklist <yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
>>
>> >>> <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>>>
>>
>> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2017 11:36 PM
>>
>> >>> *
>>
>>
>> >>> <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> No air or discharge from SNOT valve. New air compressor, new
>>
>> >>> pop-off valve, cleaned entire valve, snot valve seals properly,
>>
>> >>> new check valve at fill point, sprayed so much soapy water that I
>>
>> >>> was afraid to turn on electricity. No leaks found all the way to
>>
>> >>> the gauges. Blew air from compressor in to airplane: snot valve is
>>
>> >>> clean and tight, bottle pressure increased.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Not much else to change. Any thoughts?
>>
>> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>
>> >>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List>
>>
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