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1. 10:39 AM - Accident Report Yak-52 forced landing due engine failure. (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
2. 12:09 PM - Re: Accident Report Yak-52 forced landing due engine failure. (Bill Geipel)
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| Subject: | Accident Report Yak-52 forced landing due engine failure. |
I almost had an engine related problem myself recently. While getting ready to
start my new Siai-Marchetti 1019, I decided to turn the individual fuel tank
pumps off because I wanted to reduce current draw to that $2500 battery. Startup
and departure were normal. While flying at 2000 feet over heavily wooded
terrain, out of the corner of my eye I spotted a yellow caution light. LOW
MAIN FUEL was written right below the warning light, one that I had never seen
come on before. A quick glance at the left inboard tank (which directly feeds
the turbine) showed it nearly empty. My INTERNAL light bulb lit up and I quickly
turned all the tank pumps back on again, while getting ready to switch
the fuel selector to emergency feed. Thankfully luck prevailed and the left inboard
was quickly refilled by the other tanks pumps. This close call was 100%
my fault. That said, I am not an airplane pilot, and I do not fly right seat
on commercial carriers thus it is OK for me to admit I made a mistake. Of
course my story has no immediate value to readers of the YAK List, but neither
does the posting below.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Etienne Verhellen
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:55 PM
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Accident Report Yak-52 forced landing due engine
failure.
Yak-52 Accident Report just released by UK Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB)
- Forced landing following engine failure -
Cause(s) of engine failure not fully determined ...
https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aaib-investigation-to-yak-52-g-yakb
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/59e9f18ced915d6aadcdaf3a/Yak-52_G-YAKB_11-17.pdf
Also had a Yak-52 (G-CBSS) engine failure that led to a forced landing on Tuesday
14 February 2017, 11:45 LT - Belgium.
http://siena.rosselcdn.net/sites/default/files/dpistyles_v2/ena_16_9_extra_big/2017/02/14/node_45023/117972/public/2017/02/14/B9711130446Z.1_20170214202028_000%2BG548HAFT3.2-0.jpg?itok=qKon6c7X
Engine (M-14P) had recently been overhauled by Aerometal (Hungary)...
http://siena.rosselcdn.net/sites/default/files/dpistyles_v2/ena_16_9_extra_big/2017/02/14/node_45023/117973/public/2017/02/14/B9711130446Z.1_20170214201956_000%2BGNN8HB8DG.1-0.jpg?itok=CXmXyV-2
Engine will NOT be examined by Air Accident Investigation Unit -AAIU (Belgium)...
So ... cause(s) of the engine failure will not be determined either ... :-(
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/461381f4ce631af2b611e6a9bffb31cfa4c340webscale0128038201280382.jpg
Shit happens ... I am now walking like an old man [Rolling Eyes]
But Very Happy to be able to keep flying 747 ... to pay the bills ...
and to have fun with the magnificent Yakovlevs Yak-50 -50
:D :D 8) [Laughing] YOLO !
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNOkCXIX0AAVfZS.jpg:large
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/af/c9/f4afc9bb4896f45aa8e3e8cf19d599b5.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4445/24136532688_cb19419ee8_o.jpg
Have a good Week-End, flying if possible.
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Yak-52 training anywhere - FI(A) Aerobatic Instructor - Specialised Yak-52.
http://www.afors.com/index.php?page=adview&adid=25551&imid=4
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| Subject: | Re: Accident Report Yak-52 forced landing due engine failure. |
I think stories all have value. Lessons learned. Goes to show you that new engine
or not, professional or not, its those that have and those that will have it
happen. The one time you dont plan on it, Boom! As far as blaming the new engine,
that also happens. I had a new Bonanza with less than 50 hours. Engine thru
bolts separated as did the block. (at 5000 directly above an airport) Continental
didnt take it personally. It happens. And I didnt take offense to it when
they asked me if I ran the hell out of it like many do with the yak/cj. Of
course I didnt mention it to the world on line. We didnt have an On-Line back
then. Just because it ran good in the morning doesnt mean it wont blow up in
the afternoon.
Keep the stories coming. Whether u admit it or not, most of us will know what happened.
So help the next guy to not make the same mistake. Could be the motor,
could be the pilot.
Id be willing to bet that we would still trust our same engine shop to build us
an engine again.
bill
> On Nov 14, 2017, at 03:38, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
wrote:
>
>
> I almost had an engine related problem myself recently. While getting ready
to start my new Siai-Marchetti 1019, I decided to turn the individual fuel tank
pumps off because I wanted to reduce current draw to that $2500 battery.
Startup and departure were normal. While flying at 2000 feet over heavily wooded
terrain, out of the corner of my eye I spotted a yellow caution light. LOW
MAIN FUEL was written right below the warning light, one that I had never seen
come on before. A quick glance at the left inboard tank (which directly feeds
the turbine) showed it nearly empty. My INTERNAL light bulb lit up and I
quickly turned all the tank pumps back on again, while getting ready to switch
the fuel selector to emergency feed. Thankfully luck prevailed and the left
inboard was quickly refilled by the other tanks pumps. This close call was 100%
my fault. That said, I am not an airplane pilot, and I do not fly right
seat on commercial carriers thus it is OK for me to ad!
> mit I made a mistake. Of course my story has no immediate value to readers of
the YAK List, but neither does the posting below.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Etienne Verhellen
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:55 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Accident Report Yak-52 forced landing due
engine failure.
>
>
> Yak-52 Accident Report just released by UK Air Accident Investigation Branch
(AAIB) - Forced landing following engine failure -
> Cause(s) of engine failure not fully determined ...
>
> https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aaib-investigation-to-yak-52-g-yakb
> https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/59e9f18ced915d6aadcdaf3a/Yak-52_G-YAKB_11-17.pdf
>
> Also had a Yak-52 (G-CBSS) engine failure that led to a forced landing on Tuesday
14 February 2017, 11:45 LT - Belgium.
>
> http://siena.rosselcdn.net/sites/default/files/dpistyles_v2/ena_16_9_extra_big/2017/02/14/node_45023/117972/public/2017/02/14/B9711130446Z.1_20170214202028_000%2BG548HAFT3.2-0.jpg?itok=qKon6c7X
>
> Engine (M-14P) had recently been overhauled by Aerometal (Hungary)...
>
> http://siena.rosselcdn.net/sites/default/files/dpistyles_v2/ena_16_9_extra_big/2017/02/14/node_45023/117973/public/2017/02/14/B9711130446Z.1_20170214201956_000%2BGNN8HB8DG.1-0.jpg?itok=CXmXyV-2
>
> Engine will NOT be examined by Air Accident Investigation Unit -AAIU (Belgium)...
>
> So ... cause(s) of the engine failure will not be determined either ... :-(
>
> http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/461381f4ce631af2b611e6a9bffb31cfa4c340webscale0128038201280382.jpg
>
> Shit happens ... I am now walking like an old man [Rolling Eyes]
>
> But Very Happy to be able to keep flying 747 ... to pay the bills ...
> and to have fun with the magnificent Yakovlevs Yak-50 -50
> :D :D 8) [Laughing] YOLO !
>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNOkCXIX0AAVfZS.jpg:large
> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/af/c9/f4afc9bb4896f45aa8e3e8cf19d599b5.jpg
> https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4445/24136532688_cb19419ee8_o.jpg
>
> Have a good Week-End, flying if possible.
>
> --------
> Yak-52 training anywhere - FI(A) Aerobatic Instructor - Specialised Yak-52.
> http://www.afors.com/index.php?page=adview&adid=25551&imid=4
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474754#474754
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/yak_50_formation_flying__208.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/yak_50_sp_yeh_etienne_verhellen__50__ebcf__14oct17__julien_devester_14_124.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/yak_50_sp_yeh_etienne_verhellen__50__ebcf__14oct17__julien_devester_38_184.jpg
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| Subject: | air pressure tank coating |
I read that coating the inside of the air pressure tanks with Linseed Oil was a
good thing to do. Any thoughts?
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