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| Subject: | Re: Gear up or down....forced landing |
Agree JB,
Doc K, you know I respect your considerable aviation knowledge and all thing
s YAK (and heart related) but unlike your F16 AcesII seat, in general, unle
ss on fire =F0=9F=94=A5 or broken and unflyable, with the slow stall speeds a
nd short landing distances, again IN GENERAL, putting it down in a controlla
ble fashion is probably better odds than using that seat cushion that probab
ly hasn=99t been properly inspected in years and has been getting step
ped on, grease and oiled on and in general introducing a WHOLE lot more vari
ables the average YAK pilot is really not equipped to proper handle. I agre
e it MUST be a briefed and practiced option but would be tertiary and not pr
imary for me personally during a =98simple=99 engine/gear out EP
(non normal for us Boeing drivers say) briefing. Just my perspective=F0=9F
=91=8D
Jj
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> On Nov 21, 2017, at 9:47 PM, JON <jblake207@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Doc, FWIW... I always brief that we will only bail out if the aircraft is o
n fire or is uncontrollable. By bailing out you introduce a whole new set o
f emergency variables... JB
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> From: "Roger Kemp" <f16viperdoc@me.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 8:08:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Gear up or down....forced landing
>
> After watching this conversation for awhile one question; when do you deci
de to take the silk let down? So the engine quits on this brick with the gli
de ratio of a rock while you have enough altitude to pick a site for an off
field landing but not enough to make the airport you are basically saying y
ou are going to try save the aircraft. If that is so then why are you weari
ng a chute?
> Not me, all my past training says give the aircraft back to the tax payers
in pieces if necessary but save your roses pink. Postal is right from the m
oment that the brick strapped to my becomes an unpowered unsalvagable rock t
he canopy is going back and I=99m giving this one back to Cannon.
> Doc
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> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 20, 2017, at 12:33 PM, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
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> The best advice I=99ve received came from =9CPostal.=9D
>
> =9CWhen the engine quits, you no longer own the aircraft. It belongs
to the insurance company.=9D
>
> Therefore, save your butt and let the airplane be a crash cage. Canopy ope
n ( and hope it stays open), straps tight, helmet visor down, gear up, fuel o
ff, and, in the immortal words of Bob Hoover, fly the airplane all the way i
nto the crash.
>
> Finally, learn about flying the =9Chigh and low key=9D forced l
anding pattern taught by the military.
>
> Blitz Fox
> 415-307-2405
>
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> On Nov 20, 2017, at 9:56 AM, JON <jblake207@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Oops... should read I'm most likely going to land FLAP down a flap down, g
ear up and canopy full open landing.
>
> From: "JON" <jblake207@comcast.net>
> To: "Yak-List" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:48:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Gear up or down....forced landing
>
> First, I agree with you on the gear staying up on off-field landings espec
ially with an uncertain surface condition. We have thousands of peanut, soy
bean and cotton patches here in "LA" (Lower Alabama) that are normally hard e
nough that they might support a gear down landing, but that depends on the r
ecent rains, famer activity, etc. In other words, I'm most likely going to d
own a flap down, gear up and canopy full open landing. I know from experien
ce the flap on the CJ will support the airframe in such a case, but that was
to a hard runway, so to an unimproved field the flap down is still an unkno
wn.
>
> Next, as for landing on a road, here's my .02 on that... as a former helic
opter driver, we were taught that "All road have wires!" so always keep that
in your mind should you chose to make a road landing. I'm certain you've t
hought about the flow of traffic... I was taught to land with traffic regard
less of winds since landing against traffic is a head-on waiting to happen b
ecause drivers aren't looking up nor expecting a windshield full of airplane
. Landing with traffic at least gives you an opportunity to merge...sort of
anyway. Other things to consider about road landings are signs and mail bo
xes. A friend had an engine issue in his YAK and had to put it down on a ro
ad. Perfect landing and the roll out was going great until the wingtip caug
ht a mailbox that was cemented into the ground. That spun the airplane arou
nd and ended up in the ditch. Fortunately no personal injury, but the airpl
ane was hurt... but at that point who cares, right?
>
> I agree with you on shutting down the engine, but my only hesitation would
be length of runway. Once you shut the engine down and you are a glider, y
ou are landing, so if you over shoot, which is very likely to happen or you a
re carrying too much energy, there is no option to go around and try again.
>
> To close, I suppose I would worry much less about the damage to the airpla
ne, assuming you are insured, than about bodily injury.
>
> JB
>
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> From: "HawkerPilot2015" <timsmiscaz@gmail.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 10:47:22 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Gear up or down....forced landing
>
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> I hear of people landing gear down during a rough field landing. I am curi
ous what the collective thinks about such a procedure. To me, if I were forc
ed to land in a field or other "softer" than normal terrain, I would choose g
ear up to prevent the airplane flipping over or cartwheeling. Now, if it wer
e hard packed desert like we have here in AZ and long enough to land on, my c
hoice may be different. Obviously roads are just unmarked runways!
>
> While I have your attention, lets talk about not being able to get the gea
r down. Plenty of videos showing failed gear landings where the engine/s are
still swinging the prop/s. Again, for me, once I KNOW I have the runway mad
e with a gear up landing, I am shutting down the engine/s. No reason to comp
letely destroy one or two good motors because of a gear issue. What are runn
ing engine/s doing for you as skid down the runway?
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475310#475310
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