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1. 07:58 AM - FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate (twvandusen)
2. 08:05 AM - Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate (Richard Hess)
3. 09:06 AM - Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate (Bill Geipel)
4. 09:48 AM - Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
5. 10:06 AM - Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate (Larry Pine)
6. 10:47 AM - CJ-6 Sliding Canopy (Top Ace)
7. 12:45 PM - Re: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy (Byron Fox)
8. 01:06 PM - Re: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy (Rico Jaeger)
9. 01:53 PM - Re: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy (Byron Fox)
10. 04:18 PM - Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate (HawkerPilot2015)
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| Subject: | FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate |
I need some help from the group.
In June last year I purchased a CJ6A from an individual in Canada. After receiving
some flight training we flew it down to Spokane to be near my DAR. I then
began the process to obtain a U.S. Airworthiness Certificate. The ATF denied
my Form 6 (Request to Import) stating a regulation that says that the U.S. does
not allow the importation of Chinese military equipment. I argued with them
but lost (there are currently 132 Nanchangs on the FAA Aircraft Registry).
Next I went to my DAR/MIDO for some help. The Advisory Circular which addresses
the application process states that the application MUST be accompanied by
an approved ATF Form 6 whereas the actual regulation states that it SHOULD be
accompanied by the Form 6. We are all aware of the difference in aviation circles
between MUST and SHOULD. I thought that I had a case especially when you
consider that the Advisory Circular is just that, advisory. My MIDO (Seattle)
sees if differently and has told me that they won't approve if I submit. Here's
my question for the group; Is there a DAR/MIDO in another region which would
be willing to issue and AWC based on the SHOULD logic? Your thoughts would
be greatly appreciated. Thom
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| Subject: | Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate |
Thom
I dont know all the import rules but I do know the Yaks and CJs are exempt from
export control due to being under a certain hp and piston. Id think Doug Sapp
in Omsk, WA would be a great local source of import knowledge.
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
> On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:58 AM, twvandusen <twvandusen@gmail.com> wrote:
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> In June last year I purchased a CJ6A from an individual in Canada. After receiving
some flight training we flew it down to Spokane to be near my DAR. I then
began the process to obtain a U.S. Airworthiness Certificate. The ATF denied
my Form 6 (Request to Import) stating a regulation that says that the U.S.
does not allow the importation of Chinese military equipment. I argued with
them but lost (there are currently 132 Nanchangs on the FAA Aircraft Registry).
Next I went to my DAR/MIDO for some help. The Advisory Circular which addresses
the application process states that the application MUST be accompanied
by an approved ATF Form 6 whereas the actual regulation states that it SHOULD
be accompanied by the Form 6. We are all aware of the difference in aviation
circles between MUST and SHOULD. I thought that I had a case especially when
you consider that the Advisory Circular is just that, advisory. My MIDO (Seattle)
sees if differently and has told me that they won!
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in another region which would be willing to issue and AWC based on the SHOULD
logic? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thom
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| Subject: | Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate |
Ask the atf to show you in writing the regulation or directive. If they cant call
the supervisor or your Senator. A DAR cannot fix an ATF problem. Only an FAA
problem.
Need a form 6 and 6A.
> On Apr 18, 2018, at 23:58, twvandusen <twvandusen@gmail.com> wrote:
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> In June last year I purchased a CJ6A from an individual in Canada. After receiving
some flight training we flew it down to Spokane to be near my DAR. I then
began the process to obtain a U.S. Airworthiness Certificate. The ATF denied
my Form 6 (Request to Import) stating a regulation that says that the U.S.
does not allow the importation of Chinese military equipment. I argued with
them but lost (there are currently 132 Nanchangs on the FAA Aircraft Registry).
Next I went to my DAR/MIDO for some help. The Advisory Circular which addresses
the application process states that the application MUST be accompanied
by an approved ATF Form 6 whereas the actual regulation states that it SHOULD
be accompanied by the Form 6. We are all aware of the difference in aviation
circles between MUST and SHOULD. I thought that I had a case especially when
you consider that the Advisory Circular is just that, advisory. My MIDO (Seattle)
sees if differently and has told me that they won!
> 't approve if I submit. Here's my question for the group; Is there a DAR/MIDO
in another region which would be willing to issue and AWC based on the SHOULD
logic? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thom
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| Subject: | Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate |
Call the EAA and ask for their Govt. Relations Representative.
Do not argue or debate with FAA or other Govt. agencies at the local level. There
is no doubt that they have the regulations they quoted to you and believe
they are correct in what they are doing. All you will do is piss them off and
they will dig their heels in even further. You need either a good lawyer
($$$) or someone else to represent you. The EAA has a solid history of doing
just that.
Would also not hurt to become a member, if you are not already. The EAA's whole
reason for being is to support Experimental Aircraft owners, and we should
support them as they support us. My opinion anyway.
Mark
They go directly to D.C. with issues like this.
> On Apr 18, 2018, at 23:58, twvandusen <twvandusen@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I need some help from the group.
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> In June last year I purchased a CJ6A from an individual in Canada. After receiving
some flight training we flew it down to Spokane to be near my DAR. I then
began the process to obtain a U.S. Airworthiness Certificate. The ATF denied
my Form 6 (Request to Import) stating a regulation that says that the U.S.
does not allow the importation of Chinese military equipment. I argued with
them but lost (there are currently 132 Nanchangs on the FAA Aircraft Registry).
Next I went to my DAR/MIDO for some help. The Advisory Circular which addresses
the application process states that the application MUST be accompanied
by an approved ATF Form 6 whereas the actual regulation states that it SHOULD
be accompanied by the Form 6. We are all aware of the difference in aviation
circles between MUST and SHOULD. I thought that I had a case especially when
you consider that the Advisory Circular is just that, advisory. My MIDO (Seattle)
sees if differently and has told me that they w!
on!
> 't approve if I submit. Here's my question for the group; Is there a DAR/MIDO
in another region which would be willing to issue and AWC based on the SHOULD
logic? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thom
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| Subject: | Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate |
I would do this in Pheonix az.=C2- The FSDO down there does this all the
time.=C2- =C2-I have a cj in the Seattle area and engaged the FAA to re
write my operating limits.=C2- It was such a hassle and they clearly didn
't want to help.=C2- I called the phx FSDO and they did it in less than a
week.=C2-=C2-
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On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 8:11, twvandusen<twvandusen@gmail.com> wrote: -
I need some help from the group.
In June last year I purchased a CJ6A from an individual in Canada.=C2- Af
ter receiving some flight training we flew it down to Spokane to be near my
DAR.=C2- I then began the process to obtain a U.S. Airworthiness Certifi
cate.=C2- The ATF denied my Form 6 (Request to Import) stating a regulati
on that says that the U.S. does not allow the importation of Chinese milita
ry equipment.=C2- I argued with them but lost (there are currently 132 Na
nchangs on the FAA Aircraft Registry).=C2- Next I went to my DAR/MIDO for
some help.=C2- The Advisory Circular which addresses the application pro
cess states that the application MUST be accompanied by an approved ATF For
m 6 whereas the actual regulation states that it SHOULD be accompanied by t
he Form 6.=C2- We are all aware of the difference in aviation circles bet
ween MUST and SHOULD.=C2- I thought that I had a case especially when you
consider that the Advisory Circular is just that, advisory.=C2- My MIDO
(Seattle) sees if differently and has told me that they won!
't approve if I submit.=C2- Here's my question for the group; Is there a
DAR/MIDO in another region which would be willing to issue and AWC based o
n the SHOULD logic?=C2- Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.=C2-
Thom
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| Subject: | CJ-6 Sliding Canopy |
Noticed some of you have changed the pilots clear plastic above ones head with
what looks like a Bubble on the front Roof slider. As to give you more head space,
for the taller folks, or one wearing a helmet.
Can you tell me the name of the supplier and roughly the price for this. Thanks,
David
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| Subject: | Re: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy |
LP Aero manufactures a Malcolm canopy for the Nanchang.
http://www.lpaerodirect.com/index.php?p=catalog&parent=71&pg=1
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
> On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Top Ace <topacedave@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Noticed some of you have changed the pilots clear plastic above ones head w
ith what looks like a Bubble on the front Roof slider. As to give you more h
ead space, for the taller folks, or one wearing a helmet.
> Can you tell me the name of the supplier and roughly the price for this. T
hanks, David
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| Subject: | Re: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy |
Are these adaptable to a Yak?
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
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1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333 //
Hangar #35 / AUW
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1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.
com> on behalf of Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:44:30 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy
LP Aero manufactures a Malcolm canopy for the Nanchang.
http://www.lpaerodirect.com/index.php?p=catalog&parent=71&pg=1
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Top Ace <topacedave@gmail.com<mailto:topaceda
ve@gmail.com>> wrote:
cedave@gmail.com>>
Noticed some of you have changed the pilots clear plastic above ones head w
ith what looks like a Bubble on the front Roof slider. As to give you more
head space, for the taller folks, or one wearing a helmet.
Can you tell me the name of the supplier and roughly the price for this. Th
anks, David
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479429#479429
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| Subject: | Re: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy |
LP also makes a Malcolm Hood for the Yak-52
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Are these adaptable to a Yak?
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> Rico Jaeger
> 915 S. 11th Ave.
> Wausau, WI. 54401
> 715.529.7426
> //
> 1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
> N61333 //
> Hangar #35 / AUW
> //
> 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
> N21YK //
> Hangar #21 / AUW
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> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics
.com> on behalf of Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:44:30 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy
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> LP Aero manufactures a Malcolm canopy for the Nanchang.
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> http://www.lpaerodirect.com/index.php?p=catalog&parent=71&pg=1
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> Blitz Fox
> 415-307-2405
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> On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Top Ace <topacedave@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Noticed some of you have changed the pilots clear plastic above ones head
with what looks like a Bubble on the front Roof slider. As to give you more
head space, for the taller folks, or one wearing a helmet.
>> Can you tell me the name of the supplier and roughly the price for this. T
hanks, David
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479429#479429
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| Subject: | Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate |
I know a couple of the dudes in PHX and as the other poster said, they are solid!
We have a shit ton of these things (and -52's) down here and they know them.
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