---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/18/18: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:58 AM - FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate (twvandusen) 2. 08:05 AM - Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate (Richard Hess) 3. 09:06 AM - Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate (Bill Geipel) 4. 09:48 AM - Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD) 5. 10:06 AM - Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate (Larry Pine) 6. 10:47 AM - CJ-6 Sliding Canopy (Top Ace) 7. 12:45 PM - Re: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy (Byron Fox) 8. 01:06 PM - Re: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy (Rico Jaeger) 9. 01:53 PM - Re: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy (Byron Fox) 10. 04:18 PM - Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate (HawkerPilot2015) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:50 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate From: "twvandusen" I need some help from the group. In June last year I purchased a CJ6A from an individual in Canada. After receiving some flight training we flew it down to Spokane to be near my DAR. I then began the process to obtain a U.S. Airworthiness Certificate. The ATF denied my Form 6 (Request to Import) stating a regulation that says that the U.S. does not allow the importation of Chinese military equipment. I argued with them but lost (there are currently 132 Nanchangs on the FAA Aircraft Registry). Next I went to my DAR/MIDO for some help. The Advisory Circular which addresses the application process states that the application MUST be accompanied by an approved ATF Form 6 whereas the actual regulation states that it SHOULD be accompanied by the Form 6. We are all aware of the difference in aviation circles between MUST and SHOULD. I thought that I had a case especially when you consider that the Advisory Circular is just that, advisory. My MIDO (Seattle) sees if differently and has told me that they won't approve if I submit. Here's my question for the group; Is there a DAR/MIDO in another region which would be willing to issue and AWC based on the SHOULD logic? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479424#479424 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:22 AM PST US From: Richard Hess Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate Thom I dont know all the import rules but I do know the Yaks and CJs are exempt from export control due to being under a certain hp and piston. Id think Doug Sapp in Omsk, WA would be a great local source of import knowledge. Richard Hess C 404-964-4885 > On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:58 AM, twvandusen wrote: > > > I need some help from the group. > > In June last year I purchased a CJ6A from an individual in Canada. After receiving some flight training we flew it down to Spokane to be near my DAR. I then began the process to obtain a U.S. Airworthiness Certificate. The ATF denied my Form 6 (Request to Import) stating a regulation that says that the U.S. does not allow the importation of Chinese military equipment. I argued with them but lost (there are currently 132 Nanchangs on the FAA Aircraft Registry). Next I went to my DAR/MIDO for some help. The Advisory Circular which addresses the application process states that the application MUST be accompanied by an approved ATF Form 6 whereas the actual regulation states that it SHOULD be accompanied by the Form 6. We are all aware of the difference in aviation circles between MUST and SHOULD. I thought that I had a case especially when you consider that the Advisory Circular is just that, advisory. My MIDO (Seattle) sees if differently and has told me that they won! > 't approve if I submit. Here's my question for the group; Is there a DAR/MIDO in another region which would be willing to issue and AWC based on the SHOULD logic? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thom > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479424#479424 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:17 AM PST US From: Bill Geipel Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate Ask the atf to show you in writing the regulation or directive. If they cant call the supervisor or your Senator. A DAR cannot fix an ATF problem. Only an FAA problem. Need a form 6 and 6A. > On Apr 18, 2018, at 23:58, twvandusen wrote: > > > I need some help from the group. > > In June last year I purchased a CJ6A from an individual in Canada. After receiving some flight training we flew it down to Spokane to be near my DAR. I then began the process to obtain a U.S. Airworthiness Certificate. The ATF denied my Form 6 (Request to Import) stating a regulation that says that the U.S. does not allow the importation of Chinese military equipment. I argued with them but lost (there are currently 132 Nanchangs on the FAA Aircraft Registry). Next I went to my DAR/MIDO for some help. The Advisory Circular which addresses the application process states that the application MUST be accompanied by an approved ATF Form 6 whereas the actual regulation states that it SHOULD be accompanied by the Form 6. We are all aware of the difference in aviation circles between MUST and SHOULD. I thought that I had a case especially when you consider that the Advisory Circular is just that, advisory. My MIDO (Seattle) sees if differently and has told me that they won! > 't approve if I submit. Here's my question for the group; Is there a DAR/MIDO in another region which would be willing to issue and AWC based on the SHOULD logic? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thom > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479424#479424 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:03 AM PST US From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate Call the EAA and ask for their Govt. Relations Representative. Do not argue or debate with FAA or other Govt. agencies at the local level. There is no doubt that they have the regulations they quoted to you and believe they are correct in what they are doing. All you will do is piss them off and they will dig their heels in even further. You need either a good lawyer ($$$) or someone else to represent you. The EAA has a solid history of doing just that. Would also not hurt to become a member, if you are not already. The EAA's whole reason for being is to support Experimental Aircraft owners, and we should support them as they support us. My opinion anyway. Mark They go directly to D.C. with issues like this. > On Apr 18, 2018, at 23:58, twvandusen wrote: > > > I need some help from the group. > > In June last year I purchased a CJ6A from an individual in Canada. After receiving some flight training we flew it down to Spokane to be near my DAR. I then began the process to obtain a U.S. Airworthiness Certificate. The ATF denied my Form 6 (Request to Import) stating a regulation that says that the U.S. does not allow the importation of Chinese military equipment. I argued with them but lost (there are currently 132 Nanchangs on the FAA Aircraft Registry). Next I went to my DAR/MIDO for some help. The Advisory Circular which addresses the application process states that the application MUST be accompanied by an approved ATF Form 6 whereas the actual regulation states that it SHOULD be accompanied by the Form 6. We are all aware of the difference in aviation circles between MUST and SHOULD. I thought that I had a case especially when you consider that the Advisory Circular is just that, advisory. My MIDO (Seattle) sees if differently and has told me that they w! on! > 't approve if I submit. Here's my question for the group; Is there a DAR/MIDO in another region which would be willing to issue and AWC based on the SHOULD logic? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thom > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479424#479424 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:57 AM PST US From: Larry Pine Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate I would do this in Pheonix az.=C2- The FSDO down there does this all the time.=C2- =C2-I have a cj in the Seattle area and engaged the FAA to re write my operating limits.=C2- It was such a hassle and they clearly didn 't want to help.=C2- I called the phx FSDO and they did it in less than a week.=C2-=C2- Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 8:11, twvandusen wrote: - I need some help from the group. In June last year I purchased a CJ6A from an individual in Canada.=C2- Af ter receiving some flight training we flew it down to Spokane to be near my DAR.=C2- I then began the process to obtain a U.S. Airworthiness Certifi cate.=C2- The ATF denied my Form 6 (Request to Import) stating a regulati on that says that the U.S. does not allow the importation of Chinese milita ry equipment.=C2- I argued with them but lost (there are currently 132 Na nchangs on the FAA Aircraft Registry).=C2- Next I went to my DAR/MIDO for some help.=C2- The Advisory Circular which addresses the application pro cess states that the application MUST be accompanied by an approved ATF For m 6 whereas the actual regulation states that it SHOULD be accompanied by t he Form 6.=C2- We are all aware of the difference in aviation circles bet ween MUST and SHOULD.=C2- I thought that I had a case especially when you consider that the Advisory Circular is just that, advisory.=C2- My MIDO (Seattle) sees if differently and has told me that they won! 't approve if I submit.=C2- Here's my question for the group; Is there a DAR/MIDO in another region which would be willing to issue and AWC based o n the SHOULD logic?=C2- Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.=C2- Thom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479424#479424 S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:38 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy From: "Top Ace" Noticed some of you have changed the pilots clear plastic above ones head with what looks like a Bubble on the front Roof slider. As to give you more head space, for the taller folks, or one wearing a helmet. Can you tell me the name of the supplier and roughly the price for this. Thanks, David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479429#479429 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:17 PM PST US From: Byron Fox Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy LP Aero manufactures a Malcolm canopy for the Nanchang. http://www.lpaerodirect.com/index.php?p=catalog&parent=71&pg=1 Blitz Fox 415-307-2405 > On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Top Ace wrote: > > > Noticed some of you have changed the pilots clear plastic above ones head w ith what looks like a Bubble on the front Roof slider. As to give you more h ead space, for the taller folks, or one wearing a helmet. > Can you tell me the name of the supplier and roughly the price for this. T hanks, David > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479429#479429 > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:22 PM PST US From: Rico Jaeger Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy Are these adaptable to a Yak? Rico Jaeger 915 S. 11th Ave. Wausau, WI. 54401 715.529.7426 // 1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X N61333 // Hangar #35 / AUW // 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X N21YK // Hangar #21 / AUW ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Byron Fox Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:44:30 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy LP Aero manufactures a Malcolm canopy for the Nanchang. http://www.lpaerodirect.com/index.php?p=catalog&parent=71&pg=1 Blitz Fox 415-307-2405 On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Top Ace > wrote: cedave@gmail.com>> Noticed some of you have changed the pilots clear plastic above ones head w ith what looks like a Bubble on the front Roof slider. As to give you more head space, for the taller folks, or one wearing a helmet. Can you tell me the name of the supplier and roughly the price for this. Th anks, David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479429#479429 = --> ===================== =====; - MATRONI; http://forums.matronics.com http://wiki.matronics.com =bsp; - List Contribution Web S; -Matt Dralle, L ist Admin. <======================== ====== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:40 PM PST US From: Byron Fox Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy LP also makes a Malcolm Hood for the Yak-52 Blitz Fox 415-307-2405 > On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Rico Jaeger wrote: > > Are these adaptable to a Yak? > > Rico Jaeger > 915 S. 11th Ave. > Wausau, WI. 54401 > 715.529.7426 > // > 1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X > N61333 // > Hangar #35 / AUW > // > 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X > N21YK // > Hangar #21 / AUW > > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Byron Fox > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:44:30 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ-6 Sliding Canopy > > LP Aero manufactures a Malcolm canopy for the Nanchang. > > http://www.lpaerodirect.com/index.php?p=catalog&parent=71&pg=1 > > Blitz Fox > 415-307-2405 > > > On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Top Ace wrote: > >> >> Noticed some of you have changed the pilots clear plastic above ones head with what looks like a Bubble on the front Roof slider. As to give you more head space, for the taller folks, or one wearing a helmet. >> Can you tell me the name of the supplier and roughly the price for this. T hanks, David >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479429#479429 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========================= = --> =; - MATRONI; http://forums.matronics.com >> http://wiki.matronics.com >> =bsp; - List Contribution Web S; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> <======================== ====== >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:15 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: FAA/ATF Refusal to Grant CJ Airworthiness Certificate From: "HawkerPilot2015" I know a couple of the dudes in PHX and as the other poster said, they are solid! We have a shit ton of these things (and -52's) down here and they know them. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479435#479435 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.