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1. 01:54 AM - Re: CJ abeam, flap up/down (Richard Romaine)
2. 07:45 AM - Re: Booster Coil needed please (Rob Rowe)
3. 03:06 PM - Re: CJ abeam, flap up/down (dabear@damned.org)
4. 03:32 PM - Re: CJ abeam, flap up/down (Mark Pennington)
5. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: Booster Coil needed please (Roger Kemp)
6. 05:44 PM - Re: CJ abeam, flap up/down (Michael Foster)
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| Subject: | Re: CJ abeam, flap up/down |
Thx for replies comparing notes.
Bear,
After 1000+ CJ hours/landings believe my experience is more about the airflow behavior
over wing and the fact you lose the warning of the stab/elevator getting
hit by the pre-stall burble...all my breaks (every flight) to power off are
more aggressive than RPA standard, so dont think its a question of being able
to manage energy, just the binary personality change that I think should be better
communicated to the new CJ bubba as well as perhaps update a casual mention
in a respected community reference.
Cheers,
Rich
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil needed please |
Chris,
If the points are burned out and the performance deprecated then possibly the internal
capacitor (or more likely its connections) across the points has failed;
hence the arcing and lack of output.
I've attached a couple of images - a simple schematic of the KP-4716 function and
a cross-sectional Russian drawing showing the internal layout, with what looks
like a waxed paper/foil capacitor (13). If it is of that construction then
it will neither like prolonged exposure to heat or moisture.
Hope this is of some help.
Brgds, Rob R
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481059#481059
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/kp4716_175.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: CJ abeam, flap up/down |
Rich,
I'm not being argumentative, I've flown with you and respect your skills
and thoughts. I think we both are/were flying the approach/landing the
same aggressive way. Cheers on that...
As to the "new CJ buba" ... first I wouldn't recommend just jumping into
the CJ without instruction. But either way they should climb to
altitude and work the stall/spin exercises in all configurations (with
KNOWLEDGEABLE CJ instructor). That all said....
I never saw a negative aspect to the dirty (flaps/gear out) stall
characteristics. The break was easily felt. In other words, I didn't
see/feel a binary personality change. Are other CJ drivers finding
that an issue? Seriously interested to hear if my experience (1400+
hours in the CJ) is different from the CJ driver population.
listening and still have my crayons.
Bear
On 6/21/2018 4:53 AM, Richard Romaine wrote:
>
> Thx for replies comparing notes.
>
> Bear,
> After 1000+ CJ hours/landings believe my experience is more about the airflow
behavior over wing and the fact you lose the warning of the stab/elevator getting
hit by the pre-stall burble...all my breaks (every flight) to power off are
more aggressive than RPA standard, so dont think its a question of being able
to manage energy, just the binary personality change that I think should be
better communicated to the new CJ bubba as well as perhaps update a casual mention
in a respected community reference.
>
> Cheers,
> Rich
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ abeam, flap up/down |
Yak list
I am a new CJ pilot. Only about 70 hours over the past year and a half.
I did fly with Barry Hancock in Utah for a week and stalls were part of the
training.
Flew the CJ acrosss country with Barry in the back. By the time I got to
Virginia felt pretty good in the plane.
I have since flown the plane to a full stall in any configuration you can
think of. During my BFR learned the falling leaf. Have been checked out
for CJ aerobatics.
I find the CJ very docile and easy to read.
I land the CJ like described. High and fast pull power and turn in.
I am not a high time pilot. But I find the CJ easy to stay in front of
with no real bad habits.
Mark
Richmond Va
N621CJ
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 6:21 PM dabear@damned.org <dabear@damned.org> wrote
:
>
> Rich,
>
> I'm not being argumentative, I've flown with you and respect your skills
> and thoughts. I think we both are/were flying the approach/landing the
> same aggressive way. Cheers on that...
>
> As to the "new CJ buba" ... first I wouldn't recommend just jumping into
> the CJ without instruction. But either way they should climb to
> altitude and work the stall/spin exercises in all configurations (with
> KNOWLEDGEABLE CJ instructor). That all said....
>
> I never saw a negative aspect to the dirty (flaps/gear out) stall
> characteristics. The break was easily felt. In other words, I didn't
> see/feel a binary personality change. Are other CJ drivers finding
> that an issue? Seriously interested to hear if my experience (1400+
> hours in the CJ) is different from the CJ driver population.
>
> listening and still have my crayons.
>
> Bear
>
>
> On 6/21/2018 4:53 AM, Richard Romaine wrote:
> romaine_richard@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Thx for replies comparing notes.
> >
> > Bear,
> > After 1000+ CJ hours/landings believe my experience is more about the
> airflow behavior over wing and the fact you lose the warning of the
> stab/elevator getting hit by the pre-stall burble...all my breaks (every
> flight) to power off are more aggressive than RPA standard, so don
=99t think
> it=99s a question of being able to manage energy, just the binary p
ersonality
> change that I think should be better communicated to the new CJ bubba as
> well as perhaps update a casual mention in a respected community referenc
e.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rich
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil needed please |
This is what I installed on my 50 after the shower of sparks failed. Works g
reat.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 21, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Rob Rowe <yak-list@robrowe.plus.com> wrote:
>
>
> Chris,
> If the points are burned out and the performance deprecated then possibly t
he internal capacitor (or more likely its connections) across the points has
failed; hence the arcing and lack of output.
> I've attached a couple of images - a simple schematic of the KP-4716 funct
ion and a cross-sectional Russian drawing showing the internal layout, with w
hat looks like a waxed paper/foil capacitor (13). If it is of that construct
ion then it will neither like prolonged exposure to heat or moisture.
> Hope this is of some help.
> Brgds, Rob R
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481059#481059
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kp4716_schematic_100.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kp4716_175.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ abeam, flap up/down |
I=99ve had my CJ almost ten years now, so not a newbie.. First off, th
e formation manual is not the =9CManeuvers Manual=9D which shoul
d be referenced for clear guidance on flying the CJ.
The info in the Formation Manual is derived from a mathematical approach fou
nd in various sections of that manual. In trying to explain and teach the ci
rcling rejoin defining the break interval times, converting to distances in t
rail, defining the distance of the turn radius were extensively used to help
visualize what led to what when flying the plane in the rejoin.
About the same time RPA published a new =9Cstandardized=9D overh
ead break procedure, Same author... that found its way into the form manual.
It helped somewhat to keep wingmen from going wide abeam on downwind but a l
ot of us felt the procedure put us a bit close abeam.
Bottom line, you are the pilot in command. Don=99t do something that m
akes you uncomfortable. Thanks for bringing this up and asking questions. Go
od discussion from the group regarding flaps and practice precautionary appr
oaches. Like to see more of that here. MMO question will never be really set
tled anyway ;-)
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 21, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Mark Pennington <pennington.construction.inc.
1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yak list
>
> I am a new CJ pilot. Only about 70 hours over the past year and a half.
>
> I did fly with Barry Hancock in Utah for a week and stalls were part of th
e training.
>
> Flew the CJ acrosss country with Barry in the back. By the time I got to V
irginia felt pretty good in the plane.
>
> I have since flown the plane to a full stall in any configuration you can t
hink of. During my BFR learned the falling leaf. Have been checked out fo
r CJ aerobatics.
>
> I find the CJ very docile and easy to read.
>
> I land the CJ like described. High and fast pull power and turn in.
>
> I am not a high time pilot. But I find the CJ easy to stay in front of wi
th no real bad habits.
>
> Mark
> Richmond Va
> N621CJ
>
>
>
>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 6:21 PM dabear@damned.org <dabear@damned.org> wro
te:
>>
>> Rich,
>>
>> I'm not being argumentative, I've flown with you and respect your skills
>> and thoughts. I think we both are/were flying the approach/landing the
>> same aggressive way. Cheers on that...
>>
>> As to the "new CJ buba" ... first I wouldn't recommend just jumping into
>> the CJ without instruction. But either way they should climb to
>> altitude and work the stall/spin exercises in all configurations (with
>> KNOWLEDGEABLE CJ instructor). That all said....
>>
>> I never saw a negative aspect to the dirty (flaps/gear out) stall
>> characteristics. The break was easily felt. In other words, I didn't
>> see/feel a binary personality change. Are other CJ drivers finding
>> that an issue? Seriously interested to hear if my experience (1400+
>> hours in the CJ) is different from the CJ driver population.
>>
>> listening and still have my crayons.
>>
>> Bear
>>
>>
>> On 6/21/2018 4:53 AM, Richard Romaine wrote:
com>
>> >
>> > Thx for replies comparing notes.
>> >
>> > Bear,
>> > After 1000+ CJ hours/landings believe my experience is more about the a
irflow behavior over wing and the fact you lose the warning of the stab/elev
ator getting hit by the pre-stall burble...all my breaks (every flight) to p
ower off are more aggressive than RPA standard, so don=99t think it
=99s a question of being able to manage energy, just the binary personali
ty change that I think should be better communicated to the new CJ bubba as w
ell as perhaps update a casual mention in a respected community reference.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Rich
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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