---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/19/18: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:23 AM - Re: Valves inspection (Roger Kemp) 2. 11:20 AM - Paperwork Question. (AlaskaChang801) 3. 12:59 PM - Re: Paperwork Question. (Richard Hess) 4. 01:21 PM - Re: Paperwork Question. (AlaskaChang801) 5. 01:46 PM - Re: Sticky valve (Craig Payne) 6. 04:05 PM - Re: Re: Sticky valve (John Cox) 7. 04:28 PM - Oshkosh (Delfin Driver) 8. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: Sticky valve (Roger Kemp) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:21 AM PST US From: Roger Kemp Subject: Re: Yak-List: Valves inspection Spot on Brother! If it aint broke dont break it! Your A&P has to much free time and your annual inspection is going to exorbitant if you clear him hot to do this. Doc Sent from my iPad > On Jul 18, 2018, at 3:03 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote: > > > I was waiting for someone else to reply, but I guess not. > > First, the only issue I know regarding "sticking valves" is due to carbon buildup, and yes it is possible for this to get into the valve guides, but that almost always impacts the valves not seating properly and is typically found during a differential compression test, where air leaks through the exhaust valve into the exhaust pipes and is easy to detect just by listening. Another viable method is to inspect the valves with a type of borescope or miniature camera, which today are pretty cheap. > > Second, I have never in my life heard of a person suggesting that they remove the valve springs, which means also removing the valve keeps, which can easily result in the valve dropping down into the chamber stopping at the piston. Of course there is always the Indian Rope Trick of stuffing rope through a spark plug hole into the cylinder to prevent this. So my input is that doing this at a yearly Conditional Inspection without proof of any problem to begin with is way way over the top. As far as "removing the valve to clean the shaft", that means pulling the whole cylinder off. There has been more than one person that has dropped small parts down into the engine while yanking a cylinder of an M-14, so my NEXT question would be: "How much actual experience does your mechanic have on M-14 engines, and how many cylinders (if any) has he ever pulled off? > > I could be totally mistaken, but given what you related in your posting, it sounds to me as if he is planning on gaining experience .... on your engine. > > It is not necessary to remove valve keepers and springs and attempt to judge valve movement during a Conditional Inspection. It is not called for in any task manual from the Russians, and is not practiced by any M-14 owner that I am aware of. I'll leave this for others to chime in on. My offer would be that a compression test done while the engine is hot will quickly show any carbon build up on the valve or seat, which normally happens before it makes it's way into the valve guide. Regardless a borescope will show it in great detail and should be considered as a first step way before taking apart valves or cylinders. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of Javier Carrasco Ballesteros > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:20 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Valves inspection > > Hello everyone, > > It is annual inspection for my Yak-55, M-14P. > > I have read a lot about the sticky valve issue, and asked the mechanics to check on them. > > He said that he needs to remove the cylinder top covers, remove the spring and manually move them. > > If the stick then he will remove the valve and clean the shaft. > > Have any of you done the same procedure, agree/disagree or have any other suggestion to things to check for while he is at it? > > Thanks, > > Javier Carrasco > Yak-55 N5245H > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:42 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Paperwork Question. From: "AlaskaChang801" I'm having a brain fart and can't remember what's required for my Phase 1 & 2 paperwork. I purchased the plane and obviously have it registered in my name and informed the local FSDO of my base etc and submitted my Program Letter, but for the life of me can't remember if there's anything special to do in regards the transfer of the Phase 1 & 2 paperwork or if it just transfers with the ownership. Is it necessary to redo the Flight Phase in my name or not. Nothing I've read in the current letters or at the FAA website lead me to believe I do, but there's a few references to the previous owner in the current ones and I don't want to run into snags the first time I get ramp checked. Thanks for the info in advance. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481751#481751 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:17 PM PST US From: Richard Hess Subject: Re: Yak-List: Paperwork Question. FAA Order 8130.F specifically says the ops limits and A/W cert do not expire. Do a new program letter to your FSDO identifying the new owner, home base and planned events for this calendar year. That should be all. Phase 1 is the test phase. Once its done youre in Phase 2 for the rest of its life unless something is done that appreciatively changes the aircrafts Flight characteristics. Richard Hess C 404-964-4885 > On Jul 19, 2018, at 2:20 PM, AlaskaChang801 wrote: > > > I'm having a brain fart and can't remember what's required for my Phase 1 & 2 paperwork. > I purchased the plane and obviously have it registered in my name and informed the local FSDO of my base etc and submitted my Program Letter, but for the life of me can't remember if there's anything special to do in regards the transfer of the Phase 1 & 2 paperwork or if it just transfers with the ownership. Is it necessary to redo the Flight Phase in my name or not. Nothing I've read in the current letters or at the FAA website lead me to believe I do, but there's a few references to the previous owner in the current ones and I don't want to run into snags the first time I get ramp checked. > > Thanks for the info in advance. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481751#481751 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:19 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Paperwork Question. From: "AlaskaChang801" Awesome. Thanks Richard. Couldn't recall the specific details, but didn't think I had missed such an important detail, but was going through some papers today and read the Flight test papers and something started to bug me that I had possibly missed something, but thankfully NOT!. Rog. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481754#481754 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:21 PM PST US From: Craig Payne Subject: Yak-List: RE: Sticky valve Javier, If your finger had a hangnail, would your doctor remove the finger for examination? Either your mechanic works mostly on turbine equipment or your were wearing your Rolex and Gucci's when you spoke with him. You were thinking you had a big problem and perhaps he was thinking he was getting a big payday. MMO does work, and so does "Mouse oil" and a hammer to unstick an ornery valve. Wielded in the right hands of course. Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:15 PM PST US From: John Cox Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: Sticky valve John Cox On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 15:50 Craig Payne wrote: > Javier, > > If your finger had a hangnail, would your doctor remove the finger for > examination? Either your mechanic works mostly on turbine equipment or your > were wearing your Rolex and Gucci's when you spoke with him. You were > thinking you had a big problem and perhaps he was thinking he was getting a > big payday. > > MMO does work, and so does "Mouse oil" and a hammer to unstick an ornery > valve. Wielded in the right hands of course. > > Craig Payne > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:46 PM PST US From: Delfin Driver Subject: Yak-List: Oshkosh Looking for a room two beds for monday thru thursday. Must be oshkosh close in area. Floor Area for sleeping bags might work. Off line . Willing to pay up. Bob ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:14 PM PST US From: Roger Kemp Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: Sticky valve Shack Sent from my iPad > On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:04 PM, John Cox wrote: > > > > John Cox > >> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 15:50 Craig Payne wrote: >> Javier, >> >> If your finger had a hangnail, would your doctor remove the finger for ex amination? Either your mechanic works mostly on turbine equipment or your we re wearing your Rolex and Gucci's when you spoke with him. You were thinking you had a big problem and perhaps he was thinking he was getting a big payd ay. >> >> MMO does work, and so does "Mouse oil" and a hammer to unstick an ornery v alve. Wielded in the right hands of course. >> >> Craig Payne ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.