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1. 05:09 AM - Re: Buzz Numbering (Junkhead)
2. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: Buzz Numbering (Richard Hess)
3. 09:15 AM - Re: Mixture lever placard (Harv)
4. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: Buzz Numbering (Walter Lannon)
5. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: Buzz Numbering (Walter Lannon)
6. 06:44 PM - Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question (Junkhead)
7. 07:12 PM - Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question (Bill Geipel)
8. 07:20 PM - Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question (Taylor)
9. 07:27 PM - Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question (Junkhead)
10. 07:33 PM - Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question (Bill Geipel)
11. 07:33 PM - Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question (Bill Geipel)
12. 07:36 PM - Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question (Junkhead)
13. 07:36 PM - Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question (Bill Geipel)
14. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question (Bill Geipel)
15. 08:44 PM - Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question (Junkhead)
16. 08:53 PM - Re: Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question (Stephen Jones)
17. 09:53 PM - Re: CJ6 POH in English? (motoadve)
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| Subject: | Re: Buzz Numbering |
Theres a number of reasons I tend to believe that Craig Paynes version is correct.
First of all, supposedly the aircraft was given only 40 gallons of fuel to
eliminate pilots from defecting and flying off with the aircraft. Secondly, the
communist country has always tracted and followed every little movement that
their people do. So I could see how they would want to know exactly where that
aircraft was supposed to be by just looking at the serial number. He also gives
a very detailed explanation for every number listed under the serial number.
Im just trying to get some additional information on the topic.
So Richard, would you say that given that serial number listed above that the buzz
number would be 01?
Thanks,
SAM
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| Subject: | Re: Buzz Numbering |
Dont know. Ask Doug Sapp
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:08 AM, Junkhead <Junkheademail@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Theres a number of reasons I tend to believe that Craig Paynes version is correct.
First of all, supposedly the aircraft was given only 40 gallons of fuel
to eliminate pilots from defecting and flying off with the aircraft. Secondly,
the communist country has always tracted and followed every little movement that
their people do. So I could see how they would want to know exactly where
that aircraft was supposed to be by just looking at the serial number. He also
gives a very detailed explanation for every number listed under the serial number.
>
> Im just trying to get some additional information on the topic.
>
> So Richard, would you say that given that serial number listed above that the
buzz number would be 01?
>
> Thanks,
>
> SAM
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483926#483926
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| Subject: | Re: Mixture lever placard |
I had the same placard as fitted to my Chang which came straight from the PLA and
had not been touched.
My understanding is the same as yours that its for leaning the mixture when flying
at the altitudes marked but do remember its calibrated in meters (as per the
Chinese altimeter) and not feet.
My 'take' is that it wasn't particularly useful but roughly equates as such
500m = 1640ft
1000m = 3280ft
1500m = 4920ft
2000m = 6560ft
etc etc
Not really useful for my sort of flying but I made the assumption it worked in
cruise power configuration and you cannot lean the mixture passed the throttle
leaver at any given power setting anyway (unless your a/c has been modified).
Personally any alt above 1000ft I just lean it as much as the stop allows.
Just my 2 pence worth
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| Subject: | Re: Buzz Numbering |
CJ6 Numbers etc;
As for the A/C Serial no. it is simple and straightforward:--------
Eg: My CJ 1532013-------- 15 is the Batch number which would identify
the time frame (and the Engineering status) in which this group was
produced. 320 identifies the producing factory. In later production a
second factory was added and identified as #512 (if memory serves correctly)
and finally 13 identifies the 13th airframe produced in Batch # 15.
Being far too old and stupid to know what a "buzz" number is I will describe
instead the squadron identification number. This number is abbreviated to 2
digits
and shown on the cowling and vertical stab. for quick ground ident.
Two of the four CJ's I imported were from the same squadron and showed
ident. numbers on all log books and other documentation as #935 and #936.
The numbers on the A/C were (and are still) #35 and #36.
Walt
From: Richard Hess
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Buzz Numbering
Dont know. Ask Doug Sapp
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:08 AM, Junkhead <Junkheademail@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Theres a number of reasons I tend to believe that Craig Paynes version
> is correct. First of all, supposedly the aircraft was given only 40
> gallons of fuel to eliminate pilots from defecting and flying off with the
> aircraft. Secondly, the communist country has always tracted and followed
> every little movement that their people do. So I could see how they would
> want to know exactly where that aircraft was supposed to be by just
> looking at the serial number. He also gives a very detailed explanation
> for every number listed under the serial number.
>
> Im just trying to get some additional information on the topic.
>
> So Richard, would you say that given that serial number listed above that
> the buzz number would be 01?
>
> Thanks,
>
> SAM
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483926#483926
>
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| Subject: | Re: Buzz Numbering |
Numbers, etc.
At some point while in China I asked the question re. the lettering in the
national insignia.
I was told it is in recognition of the "Long March" of 1934 / 1936 in
Chinese history.
Walt
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From: Walter Lannon
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Buzz Numbering
CJ6 Numbers etc;
As for the A/C Serial no. it is simple and straightforward:--------
Eg: My CJ 1532013-------- 15 is the Batch number which would identify
the time frame (and the Engineering status) in which this group was
produced. 320 identifies the producing factory. In later production a
second factory was added and identified as #512 (if memory serves correctly)
and finally 13 identifies the 13th airframe produced in Batch # 15.
Being far too old and stupid to know what a "buzz" number is I will describe
instead the squadron identification number. This number is abbreviated to 2
digits
and shown on the cowling and vertical stab. for quick ground ident.
Two of the four CJ's I imported were from the same squadron and showed
ident. numbers on all log books and other documentation as #935 and #936.
The numbers on the A/C were (and are still) #35 and #36.
Walt
From: Richard Hess
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Buzz Numbering
Dont know. Ask Doug Sapp
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 8:08 AM, Junkhead <Junkheademail@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Theres a number of reasons I tend to believe that Craig Paynes version
> is correct. First of all, supposedly the aircraft was given only 40
> gallons of fuel to eliminate pilots from defecting and flying off with the
> aircraft. Secondly, the communist country has always tracted and followed
> every little movement that their people do. So I could see how they would
> want to know exactly where that aircraft was supposed to be by just
> looking at the serial number. He also gives a very detailed explanation
> for every number listed under the serial number.
>
> Im just trying to get some additional information on the topic.
>
> So Richard, would you say that given that serial number listed above that
> the buzz number would be 01?
>
> Thanks,
>
> SAM
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483926#483926
>
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| Subject: | Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question |
I have a question in regard to the purchase of an aircraft, payment and delivery.
If you purchase an aircraft that is located across the country what is the normal
process of getting it paid and delivered?
I would like to have it delivered by the seller and have it arrive in the same
condition that is now. If something happened while being delivered I would want
the seller to pay for that repair. I am willing to pay for their expense of
the delivery, gas, oil, hotel and return flight but not any repairs that need
done in case of a problem during the delivery process. Also, I would like their
insurance to cover it during the delivery. As long as the aircraft is paid in
full before leaving their airport the seller is willing to have his insurance
cover it until arriving at my airport. I am just worried that insurance company
will not cover it if I am the owner. So the exchange of ownership needs to
take place at my airport.
Given all of that, how do people normally take care of this?
Feel free to PM me.
Thanks,
SAM
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question |
You own it before it leaves the sellers hanger. You r hiring him to deliver it.
Otherwise, go get it yourself. Get your own insurance with the seller as a listed
pilot.
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> On Oct 23, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Junkhead <Junkheademail@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have a question in regard to the purchase of an aircraft, payment and delivery.
>
> If you purchase an aircraft that is located across the country what is the normal
process of getting it paid and delivered?
>
> I would like to have it delivered by the seller and have it arrive in the same
condition that is now. If something happened while being delivered I would want
the seller to pay for that repair. I am willing to pay for their expense of
the delivery, gas, oil, hotel and return flight but not any repairs that need
done in case of a problem during the delivery process. Also, I would like their
insurance to cover it during the delivery. As long as the aircraft is paid
in full before leaving their airport the seller is willing to have his insurance
cover it until arriving at my airport. I am just worried that insurance company
will not cover it if I am the owner. So the exchange of ownership needs
to take place at my airport.
>
> Given all of that, how do people normally take care of this?
>
> Feel free to PM me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> SAM
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483959#483959
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question |
Was your last aircraft a Mooney?
sorry I couldnt help it,Pete
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> On Oct 22, 2018, at 7:11 PM, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> You own it before it leaves the sellers hanger. You r hiring him to deliver it.
> Otherwise, go get it yourself. Get your own insurance with the seller as a listed
pilot.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 23, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Junkhead <Junkheademail@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have a question in regard to the purchase of an aircraft, payment and delivery.
>>
>> If you purchase an aircraft that is located across the country what is the
normal process of getting it paid and delivered?
>>
>> I would like to have it delivered by the seller and have it arrive in the same
condition that is now. If something happened while being delivered I would
want the seller to pay for that repair. I am willing to pay for their expense
of the delivery, gas, oil, hotel and return flight but not any repairs that need
done in case of a problem during the delivery process. Also, I would like their
insurance to cover it during the delivery. As long as the aircraft is paid
in full before leaving their airport the seller is willing to have his insurance
cover it until arriving at my airport. I am just worried that insurance company
will not cover it if I am the owner. So the exchange of ownership needs
to take place at my airport.
>>
>> Given all of that, how do people normally take care of this?
>>
>> Feel free to PM me.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> SAM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483959#483959
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question |
Youre right, thats one way to do it. Obviously, thats an option that I am concerned,
however, Im looking for the other ways, such as FOB destination Where the
funds are sent to him prior to delivery but the actual ownership is not transferred
until arrival at the destination. Or, an escrow account, where the funds
are released once the aircraft arrives safely at its destination. Im just trying
to figure out how people drew up those deals.
SAM
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question |
Not picking on you, but, after reading your demands, I would be afraid to sell
you an airplane. Even if you come to pick it up.
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> On Oct 23, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Junkhead <Junkheademail@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have a question in regard to the purchase of an aircraft, payment and delivery.
>
> If you purchase an aircraft that is located across the country what is the normal
process of getting it paid and delivered?
>
> I would like to have it delivered by the seller and have it arrive in the same
condition that is now. If something happened while being delivered I would want
the seller to pay for that repair. I am willing to pay for their expense of
the delivery, gas, oil, hotel and return flight but not any repairs that need
done in case of a problem during the delivery process. Also, I would like their
insurance to cover it during the delivery. As long as the aircraft is paid
in full before leaving their airport the seller is willing to have his insurance
cover it until arriving at my airport. I am just worried that insurance company
will not cover it if I am the owner. So the exchange of ownership needs
to take place at my airport.
>
> Given all of that, how do people normally take care of this?
>
> Feel free to PM me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> SAM
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483959#483959
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question |
And I want cherry pie for desert everyday! And I want Melania to feed it to me.
LOL.
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> On Oct 23, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Junkhead <Junkheademail@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have a question in regard to the purchase of an aircraft, payment and delivery.
>
> If you purchase an aircraft that is located across the country what is the normal
process of getting it paid and delivered?
>
> I would like to have it delivered by the seller and have it arrive in the same
condition that is now. If something happened while being delivered I would want
the seller to pay for that repair. I am willing to pay for their expense of
the delivery, gas, oil, hotel and return flight but not any repairs that need
done in case of a problem during the delivery process. Also, I would like their
insurance to cover it during the delivery. As long as the aircraft is paid
in full before leaving their airport the seller is willing to have his insurance
cover it until arriving at my airport. I am just worried that insurance company
will not cover it if I am the owner. So the exchange of ownership needs
to take place at my airport.
>
> Given all of that, how do people normally take care of this?
>
> Feel free to PM me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> SAM
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483959#483959
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question |
No problem. I understand no hard feelings. After reading your responses theres
no way you would have to ever worry about that.
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question |
Good one!
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> On Oct 23, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Taylor <taylor527@att.net> wrote:
>
>
> Was your last aircraft a Mooney?
> sorry I couldnt help it,Pete
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 7:11 PM, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> You own it before it leaves the sellers hanger. You r hiring him to deliver
it.
>> Otherwise, go get it yourself. Get your own insurance with the seller as a listed
pilot.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Oct 23, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Junkhead <Junkheademail@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a question in regard to the purchase of an aircraft, payment and delivery.
>>>
>>> If you purchase an aircraft that is located across the country what is the
normal process of getting it paid and delivered?
>>>
>>> I would like to have it delivered by the seller and have it arrive in the same
condition that is now. If something happened while being delivered I would
want the seller to pay for that repair. I am willing to pay for their expense
of the delivery, gas, oil, hotel and return flight but not any repairs that need
done in case of a problem during the delivery process. Also, I would like
their insurance to cover it during the delivery. As long as the aircraft is paid
in full before leaving their airport the seller is willing to have his insurance
cover it until arriving at my airport. I am just worried that insurance
company will not cover it if I am the owner. So the exchange of ownership needs
to take place at my airport.
>>>
>>> Given all of that, how do people normally take care of this?
>>>
>>> Feel free to PM me.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> SAM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483959#483959
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question |
You go inspect it, fly it, whatever. Agree to buy, pay the money, shake hands and
fly it home. You can hire him or whomever to deliver it but it is yours. Anything
can happen on the trip home; spark plugs, mags, air compressor, engine,
air leak, tire etc. They leak oil, are you going to make him fix a normal oil
leak because you see a stream down one side? That is normal. Maybe you want a
new airplane with a warranty? These are old, imported, fun, labor intensive airplanes.
Not for the faint of heart. But a blast to fly. Requires TLC by the
bucket load. That is part of the adventure.
Just buy it and welcome to the group! Lots of expert advice available on this site.
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 23, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Junkhead <Junkheademail@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Youre right, thats one way to do it. Obviously, thats an option that I am concerned,
however, Im looking for the other ways, such as FOB destination Where
the funds are sent to him prior to delivery but the actual ownership is not transferred
until arrival at the destination. Or, an escrow account, where the funds
are released once the aircraft arrives safely at its destination. Im just
trying to figure out how people drew up those deals.
>
> SAM
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483965#483965
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question |
I understand what you are saying and I also understand the airplanes rewards and
challenges. I tried to edit the original post to clarify things. I have received
a few good PM's that have been quite helpful so I can already see how beneficial
this site can be.
Thanks for all the great help and keep the PM's coming.
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question |
I disagree. Buy it delivered to your ramp. Thats what Ive done with my last five
airplanes. The last check is waiting when the airplane is delivered in an airworthy
condition.
If the seller wont agree to that, find another. I certainly dont mind covering
their expenses but Ive seen the come and get it adventure go poorly many times.
Steve
15 airplanes and counting.......
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On Mon, 10/22/18, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Aircraft purchase, payment and delivery question
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, October 22, 2018, 9:42 PM
Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>
You go inspect it, fly it, whatever.
Agree to buy, pay the money, shake hands and fly it home.
You can hire him or whomever to deliver it but it is yours.
Anything can happen on the trip home; spark plugs, mags, air
compressor, engine, air leak, tire etc. They leak oil, are
you going to make him fix a normal oil leak because you see
a stream down one side? That is normal. Maybe you want a new
airplane with a warranty? These are old, imported, fun,
labor intensive airplanes. Not for the faint of heart. But a
blast to fly. Requires TLC by the bucket load. That is part
of the adventure.
Just buy it and welcome to the group!
Lots of expert advice available on this site.
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 23, 2018, at 11:27 AM,
Junkhead <Junkheademail@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
"Junkhead" <Junkheademail@gmail.com>
>
> Youre right, thats one way
to do it. Obviously, thats an option that I am concerned,
however, Im looking for the other ways, such as FOB
destination Where the funds are sent to him prior to
delivery but the actual ownership is not transferred until
arrival at the destination. Or, an escrow account, where the
funds are released once the aircraft arrives safely at its
destination. Im just trying to figure out how people drew
up those deals.
>
> SAM
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483965#483965
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6 POH in English? |
Thanks for the replies, just order it from Red Star.
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