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1. 04:12 AM - Re: Strong Parachutes (Justin Drafts)
2. 04:32 AM - Re: Re: Start valve air leak (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: Start valve air leak (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 04:49 AM - Re: Strong Parachutes (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 05:45 AM - Re: Strong Parachutes (JON BLAKE)
6. 05:55 AM - Re: Strong Parachutes (Mark Pennington)
7. 06:25 AM - Re: Start valve air leak (stephen.hayne)
8. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Start valve air leak (Jon Boede)
9. 10:41 AM - Re: Start valve air leak (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
10. 07:37 PM - Re: Strong Parachutes (\)
11. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: Start valve air leak (\)
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| Subject: | Re: Strong Parachutes |
I'm overseas right now so can't look up the spec's on my Strong chutes,
bought new years ago, but believe they're the 306, and I LOVE them.
Very comfortable, lumbar pad, no sheepskin.
The one regret is I bought them in same OD green as the new Hooker
harnesses (also 100% pleased); should have gotten 1 or the other in a
differing color.
But, love my Strong 306's in my Nanchang.
My thoughts,
Justin
N280NC
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 8:17 AM Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Anybody have a strong opinion on the 304 vs 306 (I=99m 5=9910
=9D, plane doesn=99t
> have a Malcolm Hood), also on the aerobatic vs standard harness?
>
> Also, anybody love or hate the sheepskin back so much they can=99t
live
> without it or would never get it again?
>
> Wasn=99t Strong offering a rebate for old parachutes?
>
> Thinking of going through Don Mayer since he advertises in the Red Alert.
>
> Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Start valve air leak |
If you have to use the manual air start release, it requires two people
to start the airplane. One to press the tab to open the air start valve
and the other in the cockpit to start the airplane. The person on the
ground is essentially performing the function of the battery when the
start button is pressed.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
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On 1/21/2019 10:30 PM, stephen.hayne wrote:
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>
> dsavarese0812(at)bellsout wrote:
>> ...Ask Doug if he has one with the small tab on the side. The tab is a manual
release in case your battery will not activate the solenoid. VERY beneficial
to have.
>>
> Can someone please explain how this is used? I mean, do you move the tab, then
hop in and it will start (maybe), even without enough battery to move the solenoid,
but enough battery to make the shower of sparks work?? (I've read the
posts from Walt/Doug - just picked Dave's to reply too)
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| Subject: | Re: Start valve air leak |
Jon,
Are you saying you can start the airplane/CJ by yourself?
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 1/21/2019 10:43 PM, Jon Boede wrote:
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> Pulling on the tab actuated the valve. Its basically the same as hand-propping
it when the battery is dead, except you can stand safely behind the prop and
let the air turn the blades for you.
>
> Jon
>
>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 9:38 PM, stephen.hayne <stephen.hayne@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> dsavarese0812(at)bellsout wrote:
>>> ...Ask Doug if he has one with the small tab on the side. The tab is a manual
release in case your battery will not activate the solenoid. VERY beneficial
to have.
>>>
>> Can someone please explain how this is used? I mean, do you move the tab, then
hop in and it will start (maybe), even without enough battery to move the
solenoid, but enough battery to make the shower of sparks work?? (I've read the
posts from Walt/Doug - just picked Dave's to reply too)
>>
>> --------
>> -
>> Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University
>> 666CJA
>> http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487154#487154
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| Subject: | Re: Strong Parachutes |
The 306's are designed to fit perfectly in the military seat pan. The
304's, although also a seat pan chute, do not fit flush in the seat
pan. By flush, they fit down into the seat pan, but there is space on
the sides between the seat pack and the pan. The 306 is deeper in the
pan and fits perfectly in the seat pan. Ask Strong to explain the
benefits of the standard harness versus the aerobatic harness. IMHO,
the aerobatic harness is easier to get in to and adjust vs. the standard
harness.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 1/22/2019 7:11 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
> I'm overseas right now so can't look up the spec's on my Strong
> chutes, bought new years ago, but believe they're the 306, and I LOVE
> them.
> Very comfortable, lumbar pad, no sheepskin.
>
> The one regret is I bought them in same OD green as the new Hooker
> harnesses (also 100% pleased); should have gotten 1 or the other in a
> differing color.
> But, love my Strong 306's in my Nanchang.
> My thoughts,
>
> Justin
> N280NC
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 8:17 AM Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com
> <mailto:jonboede@hotmail.com>> wrote:
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> <mailto:jonboede@hotmail.com>>
>
> Anybody have a strong opinion on the 304 vs 306 (Im 510, plane
> doesnt have a Malcolm Hood), also on the aerobatic vs standard
> harness?
>
> Also, anybody love or hate the sheepskin back so much they cant
> live without it or would never get it again?
>
> Wasnt Strong offering a rebate for old parachutes?
>
> Thinking of going through Don Mayer since he advertises in the Red
> Alert.
>
> Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Strong Parachutes |
Jon,
I have a pair of Strong 306... perfect for me becasue I'm short. I bought them
from Don back in 2005. I also bought a couple other parachutes from him in 2015
(used back packs) when I started flying the T6 Texan. The back pack (exact
models unk at this writing) worked perfect for me flying the T6. Don is a great
guy and all about customer service. You won't go wrong dealing with Don.
Jon Blake
Saber369@comcast.net
> On January 21, 2019 at 9:41 PM Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Anybody have a strong opinion on the 304 vs 306 (Im 510, plane doesnt have a
Malcolm Hood), also on the aerobatic vs standard harness?
>
> Also, anybody love or hate the sheepskin back so much they cant live without
it or would never get it again?
>
> Wasnt Strong offering a rebate for old parachutes?
>
> Thinking of going through Don Mayer since he advertises in the Red Alert.
>
> Jon
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strong Parachutes |
I also use the Strong 306 chutes, perfect in a Nanchang. Lower lumbar pad
on mine. No sheep skin. At 6'4" tall I don't use any back pad on my seat
at all with or with out chutes, I can stretch out my legs. =98=BA
When I got my chutes repacked the first time the packer commented on how
nice the chutes are and how they are perfect for what we want to use them
for.
Mark
N621CJ
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 7:18 AM Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm overseas right now so can't look up the spec's on my Strong chutes,
> bought new years ago, but believe they're the 306, and I LOVE them.
> Very comfortable, lumbar pad, no sheepskin.
>
> The one regret is I bought them in same OD green as the new Hooker
> harnesses (also 100% pleased); should have gotten 1 or the other in a
> differing color.
> But, love my Strong 306's in my Nanchang.
> My thoughts,
>
> Justin
> N280NC
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 8:17 AM Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Anybody have a strong opinion on the 304 vs 306 (I=99m 5=991
0=9D, plane doesn=99t
>> have a Malcolm Hood), also on the aerobatic vs standard harness?
>>
>> Also, anybody love or hate the sheepskin back so much they can=99t
live
>> without it or would never get it again?
>>
>> Wasn=99t Strong offering a rebate for old parachutes?
>>
>> Thinking of going through Don Mayer since he advertises in the Red Alert
.
>>
>> Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Start valve air leak |
Thinking about it, if it is like hand-propping... mixture, throttle, prop, air,
brakes, prime, switches, mags, and then get out and press the tab?
So, perhaps I should have written "don't touch in the hangar" in green font. Except
that I think I have left the air on, once maybe.
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666CJA
http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487171#487171
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| Subject: | Re: Start valve air leak |
Possible. But not recommended.
> On Jan 22, 2019, at 6:45 AM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>
>
> Jon,
> Are you saying you can start the airplane/CJ by yourself?
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
>> On 1/21/2019 10:43 PM, Jon Boede wrote:
>>
>> Pulling on the tab actuated the valve. Its basically the same as hand-propping
it when the battery is dead, except you can stand safely behind the prop and
let the air turn the blades for you.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 9:38 PM, stephen.hayne <stephen.hayne@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> dsavarese0812(at)bellsout wrote:
>>>> ...Ask Doug if he has one with the small tab on the side. The tab is a manual
release in case your battery will not activate the solenoid. VERY beneficial
to have.
>>>>
>>> Can someone please explain how this is used? I mean, do you move the tab,
then hop in and it will start (maybe), even without enough battery to move the
solenoid, but enough battery to make the shower of sparks work?? (I've read the
posts from Walt/Doug - just picked Dave's to reply too)
>>>
>>> --------
>>> -
>>> Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University
>>> 666CJA
>>> http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487154#487154
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Start valve air leak |
Starting these engines with no one in the cockpit does indeed work. I've got
a wrecked YAK-50 in my hangar that proves it can be done. Guy left the air valve
open and it leaked all the air out. He then hand propped it with no one
in the cockpit, it started, rolled over chocks, and away it went. At speed.
About the time it was ready to fly, a big hangar got in the way. I got it from
the salvage yard. One wing tore right off.
A Sukhoi was accidentally started the same way. Pulling the prop through with
one P lead disconnected. Prop hit the guy. He survived.
Turning the air valve off? I've started my 50 with the air valve closed more
than once. Residual air will do it, if it is primed correctly. There's another
fellow on this list that did that too. In my case, I did not realize it until
I took off and saw that the gear did not come up and lock. They UNLOCKED,
but just hung there dangling. Dumb move huh? Yep, it was. I got lucky.
All that being said, I did use that lever once to start the 50 that I fly. Rigged
up a pulley and some parachute cord and yanked the cord from the cockpit to
open the starter valve (which had a burnt out solenoid) while hitting the start
button to energizer the starter coil while I was in the cockpit. Easy to
do in a 50, but in a 52, somewhat harder.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
On Behalf Of stephen.hayne
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:25 AM
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak
--> <stephen.hayne@gmail.com>
Thinking about it, if it is like hand-propping... mixture, throttle, prop, air,
brakes, prime, switches, mags, and then get out and press the tab?
So, perhaps I should have written "don't touch in the hangar" in green font. Except
that I think I have left the air on, once maybe.
--------
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Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University 666CJA http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487171#487171
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| Subject: | Re: Strong Parachutes |
I believe your weight is the important factor, not so much height. =C2-I
brought mine straight from Strong with a standard harness.Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 10:43 pm
Subject: Yak-List: Strong Parachutes
Anybody have a strong opinion on the 304 vs 306 (I=99m 5=9910
=9D, plane doesn=99t have a Malcolm Hood), also on the aerobati
c vs standard harness?
Also, anybody love or hate the sheepskin back so much they can=99t li
ve without it or would never get it again?
Wasn=99t Strong offering a rebate for old parachutes?
Thinking of going through Don Mayer since he advertises in the Red Alert.
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Start valve air leak |
Been there done just like Mark. =C2-Will had one thing. =C2-If you have
an alternator (instead of a generator). =C2-With a=C2-battery, you MAY
be able to get the engine started without the starter coil =C2-BUT once
started because of the dead battery you'll get no juice to excite your alte
rnator. =C2-So no electrics. =C2-Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Tue, Jan 22, 2019 1:43 pm
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak
itterlich@navy.mil>
Starting these engines with no one in the cockpit does indeed work.=C2- I
've got a wrecked YAK-50 in my hangar that proves it can be done.=C2- Guy
left the air valve open and it leaked all the air out.=C2- He then hand
propped it with no one in the cockpit, it started, rolled over chocks, and
away it went.=C2- At speed.=C2- About the time it was ready to fly, a b
ig hangar got in the way.=C2- I got it from the salvage yard.=C2- One w
ing tore right off.=C2-
A Sukhoi was accidentally started the same way.=C2- Pulling the prop thro
ugh with one P lead disconnected.=C2- Prop hit the guy.=C2- He survived
.=C2-
Turning the air valve off?=C2- I've started my 50 with the air valve clos
ed more than once.=C2- Residual air will do it, if it is primed correctly
.=C2- There's another fellow on this list that did that too.=C2- In my
case, I did not realize it until I took off and saw that the gear did not c
ome up and lock.=C2- They UNLOCKED, but just hung there dangling.=C2- D
umb move huh?=C2- Yep, it was.=C2- I got lucky.=C2-
All that being said, I did use that lever once to start the 50 that I fly.
=C2- Rigged up a pulley and some parachute cord and yanked the cord from
the cockpit to open the starter valve (which had a burnt out solenoid) whil
e hitting the start button to energizer the starter coil while I was in the
cockpit.=C2- Easy to do in a 50, but in a 52, somewhat harder.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.
com> On Behalf Of stephen.hayne
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:25 AM
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak
--> <stephen.hayne@gmail.com>
Thinking about it, if it is like hand-propping... mixture, throttle, prop,
air, brakes, prime, switches, mags, and then get out and press the tab?
So, perhaps I should have written "don't touch in the hangar" in green font
.=C2- Except that I think I have left the air on, once maybe.
--------
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Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University 666CJA=C2
- http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487171#487171
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