---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/22/19: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:12 AM - Re: Strong Parachutes (Justin Drafts) 2. 04:32 AM - Re: Re: Start valve air leak (A. Dennis Savarese) 3. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: Start valve air leak (A. Dennis Savarese) 4. 04:49 AM - Re: Strong Parachutes (A. Dennis Savarese) 5. 05:45 AM - Re: Strong Parachutes (JON BLAKE) 6. 05:55 AM - Re: Strong Parachutes (Mark Pennington) 7. 06:25 AM - Re: Start valve air leak (stephen.hayne) 8. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Start valve air leak (Jon Boede) 9. 10:41 AM - Re: Start valve air leak (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD) 10. 07:37 PM - Re: Strong Parachutes (\) 11. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: Start valve air leak (\) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:20 AM PST US From: Justin Drafts Subject: Re: Yak-List: Strong Parachutes I'm overseas right now so can't look up the spec's on my Strong chutes, bought new years ago, but believe they're the 306, and I LOVE them. Very comfortable, lumbar pad, no sheepskin. The one regret is I bought them in same OD green as the new Hooker harnesses (also 100% pleased); should have gotten 1 or the other in a differing color. But, love my Strong 306's in my Nanchang. My thoughts, Justin N280NC On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 8:17 AM Jon Boede wrote: > > Anybody have a strong opinion on the 304 vs 306 (I=99m 5=9910 =9D, plane doesn=99t > have a Malcolm Hood), also on the aerobatic vs standard harness? > > Also, anybody love or hate the sheepskin back so much they can=99t live > without it or would never get it again? > > Wasn=99t Strong offering a rebate for old parachutes? > > Thinking of going through Don Mayer since he advertises in the Red Alert. > > Jon > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak From: "A. Dennis Savarese" If you have to use the manual air start release, it requires two people to start the airplane. One to press the tab to open the air start valve and the other in the cockpit to start the airplane. The person on the ground is essentially performing the function of the battery when the start button is pressed. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-546-8182 (mobile) www.yak-52.com Skype - Yakguy1 On 1/21/2019 10:30 PM, stephen.hayne wrote: > > > dsavarese0812(at)bellsout wrote: >> ...Ask Doug if he has one with the small tab on the side. The tab is a manual release in case your battery will not activate the solenoid. VERY beneficial to have. >> > Can someone please explain how this is used? I mean, do you move the tab, then hop in and it will start (maybe), even without enough battery to move the solenoid, but enough battery to make the shower of sparks work?? (I've read the posts from Walt/Doug - just picked Dave's to reply too) > > -------- > - > Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University > 666CJA > http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487154#487154 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Jon, Are you saying you can start the airplane/CJ by yourself? Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-546-8182 (mobile) www.yak-52.com Skype - Yakguy1 On 1/21/2019 10:43 PM, Jon Boede wrote: > > Pulling on the tab actuated the valve. Its basically the same as hand-propping it when the battery is dead, except you can stand safely behind the prop and let the air turn the blades for you. > > Jon > >> On Jan 21, 2019, at 9:38 PM, stephen.hayne wrote: >> >> >> >> dsavarese0812(at)bellsout wrote: >>> ...Ask Doug if he has one with the small tab on the side. The tab is a manual release in case your battery will not activate the solenoid. VERY beneficial to have. >>> >> Can someone please explain how this is used? I mean, do you move the tab, then hop in and it will start (maybe), even without enough battery to move the solenoid, but enough battery to make the shower of sparks work?? (I've read the posts from Walt/Doug - just picked Dave's to reply too) >> >> -------- >> - >> Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University >> 666CJA >> http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487154#487154 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Strong Parachutes From: "A. Dennis Savarese" The 306's are designed to fit perfectly in the military seat pan. The 304's, although also a seat pan chute, do not fit flush in the seat pan. By flush, they fit down into the seat pan, but there is space on the sides between the seat pack and the pan. The 306 is deeper in the pan and fits perfectly in the seat pan. Ask Strong to explain the benefits of the standard harness versus the aerobatic harness. IMHO, the aerobatic harness is easier to get in to and adjust vs. the standard harness. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-546-8182 (mobile) www.yak-52.com Skype - Yakguy1 On 1/22/2019 7:11 AM, Justin Drafts wrote: > I'm overseas right now so can't look up the spec's on my Strong > chutes, bought new years ago, but believe they're the 306, and I LOVE > them. > Very comfortable, lumbar pad, no sheepskin. > > The one regret is I bought them in same OD green as the new Hooker > harnesses (also 100% pleased); should have gotten 1 or the other in a > differing color. > But, love my Strong 306's in my Nanchang. > My thoughts, > > Justin > N280NC > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 8:17 AM Jon Boede > wrote: > > > > > Anybody have a strong opinion on the 304 vs 306 (Im 510, plane > doesnt have a Malcolm Hood), also on the aerobatic vs standard > harness? > > Also, anybody love or hate the sheepskin back so much they cant > live without it or would never get it again? > > Wasnt Strong offering a rebate for old parachutes? > > Thinking of going through Don Mayer since he advertises in the Red > Alert. > > Jon > > ========== > List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:14 AM PST US From: JON BLAKE Subject: Re: Yak-List: Strong Parachutes Jon, I have a pair of Strong 306... perfect for me becasue I'm short. I bought them from Don back in 2005. I also bought a couple other parachutes from him in 2015 (used back packs) when I started flying the T6 Texan. The back pack (exact models unk at this writing) worked perfect for me flying the T6. Don is a great guy and all about customer service. You won't go wrong dealing with Don. Jon Blake Saber369@comcast.net > On January 21, 2019 at 9:41 PM Jon Boede wrote: > > > > Anybody have a strong opinion on the 304 vs 306 (Im 510, plane doesnt have a Malcolm Hood), also on the aerobatic vs standard harness? > > Also, anybody love or hate the sheepskin back so much they cant live without it or would never get it again? > > Wasnt Strong offering a rebate for old parachutes? > > Thinking of going through Don Mayer since he advertises in the Red Alert. > > Jon > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:41 AM PST US From: Mark Pennington Subject: Re: Yak-List: Strong Parachutes I also use the Strong 306 chutes, perfect in a Nanchang. Lower lumbar pad on mine. No sheep skin. At 6'4" tall I don't use any back pad on my seat at all with or with out chutes, I can stretch out my legs. =98=BA When I got my chutes repacked the first time the packer commented on how nice the chutes are and how they are perfect for what we want to use them for. Mark N621CJ On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 7:18 AM Justin Drafts wrote: > I'm overseas right now so can't look up the spec's on my Strong chutes, > bought new years ago, but believe they're the 306, and I LOVE them. > Very comfortable, lumbar pad, no sheepskin. > > The one regret is I bought them in same OD green as the new Hooker > harnesses (also 100% pleased); should have gotten 1 or the other in a > differing color. > But, love my Strong 306's in my Nanchang. > My thoughts, > > Justin > N280NC > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 8:17 AM Jon Boede wrote: > >> >> Anybody have a strong opinion on the 304 vs 306 (I=99m 5=991 0=9D, plane doesn=99t >> have a Malcolm Hood), also on the aerobatic vs standard harness? >> >> Also, anybody love or hate the sheepskin back so much they can=99t live >> without it or would never get it again? >> >> Wasn=99t Strong offering a rebate for old parachutes? >> >> Thinking of going through Don Mayer since he advertises in the Red Alert .. >> >> Jon >> >> ========== >> List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on >> ========== >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:39 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak From: "stephen.hayne" Thinking about it, if it is like hand-propping... mixture, throttle, prop, air, brakes, prime, switches, mags, and then get out and press the tab? So, perhaps I should have written "don't touch in the hangar" in green font. Except that I think I have left the air on, once maybe. -------- - Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University 666CJA http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487171#487171 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:04 AM PST US From: Jon Boede Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak Possible. But not recommended. > On Jan 22, 2019, at 6:45 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote: > > > Jon, > Are you saying you can start the airplane/CJ by yourself? > Dennis > > A. Dennis Savarese > 334-546-8182 (mobile) > www.yak-52.com > Skype - Yakguy1 > >> On 1/21/2019 10:43 PM, Jon Boede wrote: >> >> Pulling on the tab actuated the valve. Its basically the same as hand-propping it when the battery is dead, except you can stand safely behind the prop and let the air turn the blades for you. >> >> Jon >> >>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 9:38 PM, stephen.hayne wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> dsavarese0812(at)bellsout wrote: >>>> ...Ask Doug if he has one with the small tab on the side. The tab is a manual release in case your battery will not activate the solenoid. VERY beneficial to have. >>>> >>> Can someone please explain how this is used? I mean, do you move the tab, then hop in and it will start (maybe), even without enough battery to move the solenoid, but enough battery to make the shower of sparks work?? (I've read the posts from Walt/Doug - just picked Dave's to reply too) >>> >>> -------- >>> - >>> Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University >>> 666CJA >>> http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487154#487154 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:38 AM PST US From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" Subject: Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak Starting these engines with no one in the cockpit does indeed work. I've got a wrecked YAK-50 in my hangar that proves it can be done. Guy left the air valve open and it leaked all the air out. He then hand propped it with no one in the cockpit, it started, rolled over chocks, and away it went. At speed. About the time it was ready to fly, a big hangar got in the way. I got it from the salvage yard. One wing tore right off. A Sukhoi was accidentally started the same way. Pulling the prop through with one P lead disconnected. Prop hit the guy. He survived. Turning the air valve off? I've started my 50 with the air valve closed more than once. Residual air will do it, if it is primed correctly. There's another fellow on this list that did that too. In my case, I did not realize it until I took off and saw that the gear did not come up and lock. They UNLOCKED, but just hung there dangling. Dumb move huh? Yep, it was. I got lucky. All that being said, I did use that lever once to start the 50 that I fly. Rigged up a pulley and some parachute cord and yanked the cord from the cockpit to open the starter valve (which had a burnt out solenoid) while hitting the start button to energizer the starter coil while I was in the cockpit. Easy to do in a 50, but in a 52, somewhat harder. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of stephen.hayne Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:25 AM Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak --> Thinking about it, if it is like hand-propping... mixture, throttle, prop, air, brakes, prime, switches, mags, and then get out and press the tab? So, perhaps I should have written "don't touch in the hangar" in green font. Except that I think I have left the air on, once maybe. -------- - Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University 666CJA http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487171#487171 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:23 PM PST US From: "\"" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Strong Parachutes I believe your weight is the important factor, not so much height. =C2-I brought mine straight from Strong with a standard harness.Pappy -----Original Message----- From: Jon Boede Sent: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 10:43 pm Subject: Yak-List: Strong Parachutes Anybody have a strong opinion on the 304 vs 306 (I=99m 5=9910 =9D, plane doesn=99t have a Malcolm Hood), also on the aerobati c vs standard harness? Also, anybody love or hate the sheepskin back so much they can=99t li ve without it or would never get it again? Wasn=99t Strong offering a rebate for old parachutes? Thinking of going through Don Mayer since he advertises in the Red Alert. Jon S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:58 PM PST US From: "\"" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak Been there done just like Mark. =C2-Will had one thing. =C2-If you have an alternator (instead of a generator). =C2-With a=C2-battery, you MAY be able to get the engine started without the starter coil =C2-BUT once started because of the dead battery you'll get no juice to excite your alte rnator. =C2-So no electrics. =C2-Jim "Pappy" Goolsby -----Original Message----- From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD Sent: Tue, Jan 22, 2019 1:43 pm Subject: Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak itterlich@navy.mil> Starting these engines with no one in the cockpit does indeed work.=C2- I 've got a wrecked YAK-50 in my hangar that proves it can be done.=C2- Guy left the air valve open and it leaked all the air out.=C2- He then hand propped it with no one in the cockpit, it started, rolled over chocks, and away it went.=C2- At speed.=C2- About the time it was ready to fly, a b ig hangar got in the way.=C2- I got it from the salvage yard.=C2- One w ing tore right off.=C2- A Sukhoi was accidentally started the same way.=C2- Pulling the prop thro ugh with one P lead disconnected.=C2- Prop hit the guy.=C2- He survived .=C2- Turning the air valve off?=C2- I've started my 50 with the air valve clos ed more than once.=C2- Residual air will do it, if it is primed correctly .=C2- There's another fellow on this list that did that too.=C2- In my case, I did not realize it until I took off and saw that the gear did not c ome up and lock.=C2- They UNLOCKED, but just hung there dangling.=C2- D umb move huh?=C2- Yep, it was.=C2- I got lucky.=C2- All that being said, I did use that lever once to start the 50 that I fly. =C2- Rigged up a pulley and some parachute cord and yanked the cord from the cockpit to open the starter valve (which had a burnt out solenoid) whil e hitting the start button to energizer the starter coil while I was in the cockpit.=C2- Easy to do in a 50, but in a 52, somewhat harder. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of stephen.hayne Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:25 AM Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak --> Thinking about it, if it is like hand-propping... mixture, throttle, prop, air, brakes, prime, switches, mags, and then get out and press the tab? So, perhaps I should have written "don't touch in the hangar" in green font .=C2- Except that I think I have left the air on, once maybe. -------- - Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University 666CJA=C2 - http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487171#487171 S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.