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Love the Strong 306. Have it for sale. Used seldom. Like new shape.
Contact me offline if interested.
Phil
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> 1. 04:12 AM - Re: Strong Parachutes (Justin Drafts)
> 2. 04:32 AM - Re: Re: Start valve air leak (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 3. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: Start valve air leak (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 4. 04:49 AM - Re: Strong Parachutes (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 5. 05:45 AM - Re: Strong Parachutes (JON BLAKE)
> 6. 05:55 AM - Re: Strong Parachutes (Mark Pennington)
> 7. 06:25 AM - Re: Start valve air leak (stephen.hayne)
> 8. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Start valve air leak (Jon Boede)
> 9. 10:41 AM - Re: Start valve air leak (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV
> NAVAIR, WD)
> 10. 07:37 PM - Re: Strong Parachutes (\)
> 11. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: Start valve air leak (\)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:12:20 AM PST US
> From: Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Strong Parachutes
>
> I'm overseas right now so can't look up the spec's on my Strong chutes,
> bought new years ago, but believe they're the 306, and I LOVE them.
> Very comfortable, lumbar pad, no sheepskin.
>
> The one regret is I bought them in same OD green as the new Hooker
> harnesses (also 100% pleased); should have gotten 1 or the other in a
> differing color.
> But, love my Strong 306's in my Nanchang.
> My thoughts,
>
> Justin
> N280NC
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 8:17 AM Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Anybody have a strong opinion on the 304 vs 306 (I=99m 5=9910
> =9D, plane doesn=99t
> > have a Malcolm Hood), also on the aerobatic vs standard harness?
> >
> > Also, anybody love or hate the sheepskin back so much they can=99t
> live
> > without it or would never get it again?
> >
> > Wasn=99t Strong offering a rebate for old parachutes?
> >
> > Thinking of going through Don Mayer since he advertises in the Red Alert.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> ==========
> ==========
> ==========
> ==========
> ==========
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:32:55 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> If you have to use the manual air start release, it requires two people
> to start the airplane. One to press the tab to open the air start valve
> and the other in the cockpit to start the airplane. The person on the
> ground is essentially performing the function of the battery when the
> start button is pressed.
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
> On 1/21/2019 10:30 PM, stephen.hayne wrote:
> >
> >
> > dsavarese0812(at)bellsout wrote:
> >> ...Ask Doug if he has one with the small tab on the side. The tab is a
> manual
> release in case your battery will not activate the solenoid. VERY
> beneficial
> to have.
> >>
> > Can someone please explain how this is used? I mean, do you move the
> tab, then
> hop in and it will start (maybe), even without enough battery to move the
> solenoid,
> but enough battery to make the shower of sparks work?? (I've read the
> posts from Walt/Doug - just picked Dave's to reply too)
> >
> > --------
> > -
> > Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University
> > 666CJA
> > http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487154#487154
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:39:15 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> Jon,
> Are you saying you can start the airplane/CJ by yourself?
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
> On 1/21/2019 10:43 PM, Jon Boede wrote:
> >
> > Pulling on the tab actuated the valve. Its basically the same as
> hand-propping
> it when the battery is dead, except you can stand safely behind the prop
> and
> let the air turn the blades for you.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >> On Jan 21, 2019, at 9:38 PM, stephen.hayne <stephen.hayne@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> dsavarese0812(at)bellsout wrote:
> >>> ...Ask Doug if he has one with the small tab on the side. The tab is
> a manual
> release in case your battery will not activate the solenoid. VERY
> beneficial
> to have.
> >>>
> >> Can someone please explain how this is used? I mean, do you move the
> tab, then
> hop in and it will start (maybe), even without enough battery to move the
> solenoid, but enough battery to make the shower of sparks work?? (I've
> read the
> posts from Walt/Doug - just picked Dave's to reply too)
> >>
> >> --------
> >> -
> >> Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University
> >> 666CJA
> >> http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487154#487154
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:49:39 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Strong Parachutes
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> The 306's are designed to fit perfectly in the military seat pan. The
> 304's, although also a seat pan chute, do not fit flush in the seat
> pan. By flush, they fit down into the seat pan, but there is space on
> the sides between the seat pack and the pan. The 306 is deeper in the
> pan and fits perfectly in the seat pan. Ask Strong to explain the
> benefits of the standard harness versus the aerobatic harness. IMHO,
> the aerobatic harness is easier to get in to and adjust vs. the standard
> harness.
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
> On 1/22/2019 7:11 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
> > I'm overseas right now so can't look up the spec's on my Strong
> > chutes, bought new years ago, but believe they're the 306, and I LOVE
> > them.
> > Very comfortable, lumbar pad, no sheepskin.
> >
> > The one regret is I bought them in same OD green as the new Hooker
> > harnesses (also 100% pleased); should have gotten 1 or the other in a
> > differing color.
> > But, love my Strong 306's in my Nanchang.
> > My thoughts,
> >
> > Justin
> > N280NC
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 8:17 AM Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com
> > <mailto:jonboede@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > <mailto:jonboede@hotmail.com>>
> >
> > Anybody have a strong opinion on the 304 vs 306 (Im 510, plane
> > doesnt have a Malcolm Hood), also on the aerobatic vs standard
> > harness?
> >
> > Also, anybody love or hate the sheepskin back so much they cant
> > live without it or would never get it again?
> >
> > Wasnt Strong offering a rebate for old parachutes?
> >
> > Thinking of going through Don Mayer since he advertises in the Red
> > Alert.
> >
> > Jon
> >
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> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:45:14 AM PST US
> From: JON BLAKE <saber369@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Strong Parachutes
>
>
> Jon,
>
> I have a pair of Strong 306... perfect for me becasue I'm short. I bought
> them
> from Don back in 2005. I also bought a couple other parachutes from him
> in 2015
> (used back packs) when I started flying the T6 Texan. The back pack (exact
> models unk at this writing) worked perfect for me flying the T6. Don is a
> great
> guy and all about customer service. You won't go wrong dealing with Don.
>
> Jon Blake
> Saber369@comcast.net
>
>
> > On January 21, 2019 at 9:41 PM Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Anybody have a strong opinion on the 304 vs 306 (Im 510, plane doesnt
> have a
> Malcolm Hood), also on the aerobatic vs standard harness?
> >
> > Also, anybody love or hate the sheepskin back so much they cant live
> without
> it or would never get it again?
> >
> > Wasnt Strong offering a rebate for old parachutes?
> >
> > Thinking of going through Don Mayer since he advertises in the Red
> Alert.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:55:41 AM PST US
> From: Mark Pennington <pennington.construction.inc.1@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Strong Parachutes
>
> I also use the Strong 306 chutes, perfect in a Nanchang. Lower lumbar pad
> on mine. No sheep skin. At 6'4" tall I don't use any back pad on my seat
> at all with or with out chutes, I can stretch out my legs. =98=BA
>
> When I got my chutes repacked the first time the packer commented on how
> nice the chutes are and how they are perfect for what we want to use them
> for.
>
> Mark
> N621CJ
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 7:18 AM Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm overseas right now so can't look up the spec's on my Strong chutes,
> > bought new years ago, but believe they're the 306, and I LOVE them.
> > Very comfortable, lumbar pad, no sheepskin.
> >
> > The one regret is I bought them in same OD green as the new Hooker
> > harnesses (also 100% pleased); should have gotten 1 or the other in a
> > differing color.
> > But, love my Strong 306's in my Nanchang.
> > My thoughts,
> >
> > Justin
> > N280NC
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 8:17 AM Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Anybody have a strong opinion on the 304 vs 306 (I=99m 5=991
> 0=9D, plane doesn=99t
> >> have a Malcolm Hood), also on the aerobatic vs standard harness?
> >>
> >> Also, anybody love or hate the sheepskin back so much they can=99t
> live
> >> without it or would never get it again?
> >>
> >> Wasn=99t Strong offering a rebate for old parachutes?
> >>
> >> Thinking of going through Don Mayer since he advertises in the Red Alert
> ..
> >>
> >> Jon
> >>
> >> =========
> >> List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> >> =========
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> >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
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> >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
> >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi
> on
> >> =========
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:25:39 AM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak
> From: "stephen.hayne" <stephen.hayne@gmail.com>
>
>
> Thinking about it, if it is like hand-propping... mixture, throttle, prop,
> air,
> brakes, prime, switches, mags, and then get out and press the tab?
>
> So, perhaps I should have written "don't touch in the hangar" in green
> font. Except
> that I think I have left the air on, once maybe.
>
> --------
> -
> Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University
> 666CJA
> http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487171#487171
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:03:04 AM PST US
> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak
>
>
> Possible. But not recommended.
>
> > On Jan 22, 2019, at 6:45 AM, A. Dennis Savarese <
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jon,
> > Are you saying you can start the airplane/CJ by yourself?
> > Dennis
> >
> > A. Dennis Savarese
> > 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> > www.yak-52.com
> > Skype - Yakguy1
> >
> >> On 1/21/2019 10:43 PM, Jon Boede wrote:
> >>
> >> Pulling on the tab actuated the valve. Its basically the same as
> hand-propping
> it when the battery is dead, except you can stand safely behind the prop
> and
> let the air turn the blades for you.
> >>
> >> Jon
> >>
> >>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 9:38 PM, stephen.hayne <stephen.hayne@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> dsavarese0812(at)bellsout wrote:
> >>>> ...Ask Doug if he has one with the small tab on the side. The tab is
> a manual
> release in case your battery will not activate the solenoid. VERY
> beneficial
> to have.
> >>>>
> >>> Can someone please explain how this is used? I mean, do you move the
> tab,
> then hop in and it will start (maybe), even without enough battery to move
> the
> solenoid, but enough battery to make the shower of sparks work?? (I've
> read the
> posts from Walt/Doug - just picked Dave's to reply too)
> >>>
> >>> --------
> >>> -
> >>> Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University
> >>> 666CJA
> >>> http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Read this topic online here:
> >>>
> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487154#487154
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:41:38 AM PST US
> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak
>
>
> Starting these engines with no one in the cockpit does indeed work. I've
> got
> a wrecked YAK-50 in my hangar that proves it can be done. Guy left the
> air valve
> open and it leaked all the air out. He then hand propped it with no one
> in the cockpit, it started, rolled over chocks, and away it went. At
> speed.
> About the time it was ready to fly, a big hangar got in the way. I got it
> from
> the salvage yard. One wing tore right off.
>
> A Sukhoi was accidentally started the same way. Pulling the prop through
> with
> one P lead disconnected. Prop hit the guy. He survived.
>
> Turning the air valve off? I've started my 50 with the air valve closed
> more
> than once. Residual air will do it, if it is primed correctly. There's
> another
> fellow on this list that did that too. In my case, I did not realize it
> until
> I took off and saw that the gear did not come up and lock. They UNLOCKED,
> but just hung there dangling. Dumb move huh? Yep, it was. I got lucky.
>
> All that being said, I did use that lever once to start the 50 that I
> fly. Rigged
> up a pulley and some parachute cord and yanked the cord from the cockpit to
> open the starter valve (which had a burnt out solenoid) while hitting the
> start
> button to energizer the starter coil while I was in the cockpit. Easy to
> do in a 50, but in a 52, somewhat harder.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
> On Behalf Of stephen.hayne
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:25 AM
> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak
>
> --> <stephen.hayne@gmail.com>
>
> Thinking about it, if it is like hand-propping... mixture, throttle, prop,
> air,
> brakes, prime, switches, mags, and then get out and press the tab?
>
> So, perhaps I should have written "don't touch in the hangar" in green
> font. Except
> that I think I have left the air on, once maybe.
>
> --------
> -
> Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University 666CJA
> http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487171#487171
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:37:23 PM PST US
> From: "\"" <cjpilot710@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Strong Parachutes
>
> I believe your weight is the important factor, not so much height. =C2-I
> brought mine straight from Strong with a standard harness.Pappy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 10:43 pm
> Subject: Yak-List: Strong Parachutes
>
>
> Anybody have a strong opinion on the 304 vs 306 (I=99m 5=9910
> =9D, plane doesn=99t have a Malcolm Hood), also on the aerobati
> c vs standard harness?
>
> Also, anybody love or hate the sheepskin back so much they can=99t li
> ve without it or would never get it again?
>
> Wasn=99t Strong offering a rebate for old parachutes?
>
> Thinking of going through Don Mayer since he advertises in the Red Alert.
>
>
> Jon
>
> S -
> WIKI -
> -
> =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:45:58 PM PST US
> From: "\"" <cjpilot710@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak
>
> Been there done just like Mark. =C2-Will had one thing. =C2-If you have
> an alternator (instead of a generator). =C2-With a=C2-battery, you MAY
> be able to get the engine started without the starter coil =C2-BUT once
> started because of the dead battery you'll get no juice to excite your alte
> rnator. =C2-So no electrics. =C2-Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 22, 2019 1:43 pm
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak
>
> itterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Starting these engines with no one in the cockpit does indeed work.=C2- I
> 've got a wrecked YAK-50 in my hangar that proves it can be done.=C2- Guy
> left the air valve open and it leaked all the air out.=C2- He then hand
> propped it with no one in the cockpit, it started, rolled over chocks, and
> away it went.=C2- At speed.=C2- About the time it was ready to fly, a b
> ig hangar got in the way.=C2- I got it from the salvage yard.=C2- One w
> ing tore right off.=C2-
>
> A Sukhoi was accidentally started the same way.=C2- Pulling the prop thro
> ugh with one P lead disconnected.=C2- Prop hit the guy.=C2- He survived
> .=C2-
>
> Turning the air valve off?=C2- I've started my 50 with the air valve clos
> ed more than once.=C2- Residual air will do it, if it is primed correctly
> .=C2- There's another fellow on this list that did that too.=C2- In my
> case, I did not realize it until I took off and saw that the gear did not c
> ome up and lock.=C2- They UNLOCKED, but just hung there dangling.=C2- D
> umb move huh?=C2- Yep, it was.=C2- I got lucky.=C2-
>
> All that being said, I did use that lever once to start the 50 that I fly.
> =C2- Rigged up a pulley and some parachute cord and yanked the cord from
> the cockpit to open the starter valve (which had a burnt out solenoid) whil
> e hitting the start button to energizer the starter coil while I was in the
> cockpit.=C2- Easy to do in a 50, but in a 52, somewhat harder.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.
> com> On Behalf Of stephen.hayne
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:25 AM
> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: Re: Start valve air leak
>
> --> <stephen.hayne@gmail.com>
>
> Thinking about it, if it is like hand-propping... mixture, throttle, prop,
> air, brakes, prime, switches, mags, and then get out and press the tab?
>
> So, perhaps I should have written "don't touch in the hangar" in green font
> .=C2- Except that I think I have left the air on, once maybe.
>
> --------
> -
> Dr. Stephen C. Hayne, Professor, CIS, Colorado State University 666CJA=C2
> - http://selfsynchronize.com/hayne/plane/cj6.asp
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487171#487171
>
>
> S -
> WIKI -
> -
> =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
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