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1. 04:41 AM - Re: Re: Aerobatics training in the CJ 6 (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 06:23 AM - Re: Front Canopy seal for YAK52 (BTLYak)
3. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Aerobatics training in the CJ 6 (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
4. 11:05 AM - Re: Re: Aerobatics training in the CJ 6 (Byron Fox)
5. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Aerobatics training in the CJ 6 (Marcus Bates)
6. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: Aerobatics training in the CJ 6 (doug sapp)
7. 06:31 PM - Re: Front Canopy seal for YAK52 (Roger Kemp)
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics training in the CJ 6 |
When the old radio equipment is removed from the rear compartment, most CJ
's I have seen have between 25 and 50 lbs of lead/lead shot installed in th
e tail to bring it back into CG.=C2-
Dennis
On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, 11:29:08 PM EST, ed.kettler <ed.kettle
r@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Motoadve,
Welcome to the wonderful world on Changs!
Based on what you are saying about the plane's behavior, you may be nose he
avy. Taking all of the vacuum tube avionics out from behind the second seat
may have moved the CG well forward. Are you also running out of trim durin
g approach?
I have read where several pilots have installed lead in the tail to reinsta
te the normal CG positions
>From one of my RC instructors: "Nose heavy planes fly poorly. Tail heavy p
lanes fly poorly ... once"
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Front Canopy seal for YAK52 |
M-14P has them.
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"Battle Yak"
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics training in the CJ 6 |
Absolutely correct that nose heavy aircraft don't spin or snap as well as those
with the CG aft. It was common practice in Russia to add a lead weight in the
tail to bring the CG aft. Pretty far aft actually. This improved how the
airplane snapped significantly. Of course they also pulled the wings off of early
models pulling G's well above maximum. It has been my experience that Russian
pilots are very serious about winning and personally I admire that about
them. Sometimes slightly crazy is a good thing.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 7:42 AM
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Yak-List: Re: Aerobatics training in the CJ 6
When the old radio equipment is removed from the rear compartment, most CJ's I
have seen have between 25 and 50 lbs of lead/lead shot installed in the tail to
bring it back into CG.
Dennis
On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, 11:29:08 PM EST, ed.kettler <ed.kettler@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Motoadve,
Welcome to the wonderful world on Changs!
Based on what you are saying about the plane's behavior, you may be nose heavy.
Taking all of the vacuum tube avionics out from behind the second seat may have
moved the CG well forward. Are you also running out of trim during approach?
I have read where several pilots have installed lead in the tail to reinstate the
normal CG positions
>From one of my RC instructors: "Nose heavy planes fly poorly. Tail heavy planes
fly poorly ... once"
Ed
--------
Ed Kettler
N53HM
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487844#487844
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics training in the CJ 6 |
To Mark=99s point, I trained briefly with Gennady Elfimov in the UK 15
+ years ago in a Yak 52. When I asked him to demonstrate the plane=99s
aerobatic capability, every control movement went from stop to stop and my h
ead bounced around the canopy like a pinball. Very, very aggressive in true R
ussian form.
=9CHelps to put arms on canopy rails,=9D he suggested.
It didn=99t.
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
> On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <mark.bitte
rlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>
bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Absolutely correct that nose heavy aircraft don't spin or snap as well as t
hose with the CG aft. It was common practice in Russia to add a lead weigh
t in the tail to bring the CG aft. Pretty far aft actually. This improved h
ow the airplane snapped significantly. Of course they also pulled the wings
off of early models pulling G's well above maximum. It has been my experie
nce that Russian pilots are very serious about winning and personally I admi
re that about them. Sometimes slightly crazy is a good thing.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronics
.com> On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 7:42 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Yak-List: Re: Aerobatics training in the CJ 6
>
> When the old radio equipment is removed from the rear compartment, most CJ
's I have seen have between 25 and 50 lbs of lead/lead shot installed in the
tail to bring it back into CG.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, 11:29:08 PM EST, ed.kettler <ed.kettler@g
mail.com> wrote:
>
>
:ed.kettler@gmail.com> >
>
>
> Hi Motoadve,
>
>
> Welcome to the wonderful world on Changs!
>
>
> Based on what you are saying about the plane's behavior, you may be nose h
eavy. Taking all of the vacuum tube avionics out from behind the second seat
may have moved the CG well forward. Are you also running out of trim during
approach?
>
>
> I have read where several pilots have installed lead in the tail to reinst
ate the normal CG positions
>
>
>> =46rom one of my RC instructors: "Nose heavy planes fly poorly. Tail heav
y planes fly poorly ... once"
>
>
> Ed
>
>
> --------
>
> Ed Kettler
>
> N53HM
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487844#487844
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics training in the CJ 6 |
Blitz........remove and pour the tail skid full of molten lead. You will ha
ve to repaint it. I removed a measured 500 lbs + of antique radios, excessi
ve wiring, instruments, etc. Leaded skid was enough to get CG in limits.
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 28, 2019, at 1:05 PM, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> To Mark=99s point, I trained briefly with Gennady Elfimov in the UK 1
5+ years ago in a Yak 52. When I asked him to demonstrate the plane=99
s aerobatic capability, every control movement went from stop to stop and my
head bounced around the canopy like a pinball. Very, very aggressive in tru
e Russian form.
>
> =9CHelps to put arms on canopy rails,=9D he suggested.
>
> It didn=99t.
>
> Blitz Fox
> 415-307-2405
>
>
>> On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <mark.bitt
erlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>>
.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Absolutely correct that nose heavy aircraft don't spin or snap as well as
those with the CG aft. It was common practice in Russia to add a lead wei
ght in the tail to bring the CG aft. Pretty far aft actually. This improve
d how the airplane snapped significantly. Of course they also pulled the wi
ngs off of early models pulling G's well above maximum. It has been my expe
rience that Russian pilots are very serious about winning and personally I a
dmire that about them. Sometimes slightly crazy is a good thing.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server@matronic
s.com> On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 7:42 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Yak-List: Re: Aerobatics training in the CJ
6
>>
>> When the old radio equipment is removed from the rear compartment, most C
J's I have seen have between 25 and 50 lbs of lead/lead shot installed in th
e tail to bring it back into CG.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, 11:29:08 PM EST, ed.kettler <ed.kettler@
gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
o:ed.kettler@gmail.com> >
>>
>>
>> Hi Motoadve,
>>
>>
>> Welcome to the wonderful world on Changs!
>>
>>
>> Based on what you are saying about the plane's behavior, you may be nose h
eavy. Taking all of the vacuum tube avionics out from behind the second seat
may have moved the CG well forward. Are you also running out of trim during
approach?
>>
>>
>> I have read where several pilots have installed lead in the tail to reins
tate the normal CG positions
>>
>>
>>> =46rom one of my RC instructors: "Nose heavy planes fly poorly. Tail hea
vy planes fly poorly ... once"
>>
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>> --------
>>
>> Ed Kettler
>>
>> N53HM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487844#487844
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics training in the CJ 6 |
Marcus,
Really??? Can you send me a copy of your weight and balance.
Doug
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 4:31 PM Marcus Bates <marcusbates@att.net> wrote:
> Blitz........remove and pour the tail skid full of molten lead. You will
> have to repaint it. I removed a measured 500 lbs + of antique radios,
> excessive wiring, instruments, etc. Leaded skid was enough to get CG in
> limits.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 28, 2019, at 1:05 PM, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> To Mark=99s point, I trained briefly with Gennady Elfimov in the UK
15+
> years ago in a Yak 52. When I asked him to demonstrate the plane=99
s
> aerobatic capability, every control movement went from stop to stop and m
y
> head bounced around the canopy like a pinball. Very, very aggressive in
> true Russian form.
>
> =9CHelps to put arms on canopy rails,=9D he suggested.
>
> It didn=99t.
>
> Blitz Fox
> 415-307-2405
>
>
> On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <
> mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>
> mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Absolutely correct that nose heavy aircraft don't spin or snap as well as
> those with the CG aft. It was common practice in Russia to add a lead
> weight in the tail to bring the CG aft. Pretty far aft actually. This
> improved how the airplane snapped significantly. Of course they also
> pulled the wings off of early models pulling G's well above maximum. It
> has been my experience that Russian pilots are very serious about winning
> and personally I admire that about them. Sometimes slightly crazy is a
> good thing.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 7:42 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Yak-List: Re: Aerobatics training in the CJ
6
>
> When the old radio equipment is removed from the rear compartment, most
> CJ's I have seen have between 25 and 50 lbs of lead/lead shot installed i
n
> the tail to bring it back into CG.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, 11:29:08 PM EST, ed.kettler <
> ed.kettler@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> mailto:ed.kettler@gmail.com <ed.kettler@gmail.com>> >
>
>
> Hi Motoadve,
>
>
> Welcome to the wonderful world on Changs!
>
>
> Based on what you are saying about the plane's behavior, you may be nose
> heavy. Taking all of the vacuum tube avionics out from behind the second
> seat may have moved the CG well forward. Are you also running out of trim
> during approach?
>
>
> I have read where several pilots have installed lead in the tail to
> reinstate the normal CG positions
>
>
> From one of my RC instructors: "Nose heavy planes fly poorly. Tail heavy
> planes fly poorly ... once"
>
>
> Ed
>
>
> --------
>
> Ed Kettler
>
> N53HM
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487844#487844
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>
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| Subject: | Re: Front Canopy seal for YAK52 |
Contact Termikus in Lithuania. That is where mine came from.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 27, 2019, at 11:12 PM, Peter Scott <peter@scottbase.id.au> wrote:
>
> Anyone know whether and where replacement leather canopy seal for the fron
t windscreen arch is available?
>
> Peter Scott
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
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