---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/28/19: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:06 AM - Nose gear actuator (Jacquescj6) 2. 04:45 AM - Shutters cable (Pedro Cerveira Pinto) 3. 05:47 AM - Re: Re: Engine Vibration (Richard Romaine) 4. 06:51 AM - Re: Shutters cable (doug sapp) 5. 07:19 AM - Re: Shutters cable (Pedro Cerveira Pinto) 6. 07:21 AM - Re: Shutters cable (Hank Gibson) 7. 09:35 AM - Re: Shutters cable (doug sapp) 8. 10:02 AM - Re: Nose gear actuator (Walter Lannon) 9. 11:03 AM - Re: Shutters cable (A. Dennis Savarese) 10. 11:19 AM - Re: Shutters cable (doug sapp) 11. 11:28 AM - Re: Shutters cable (David King) 12. 11:28 AM - Re: Shutters cable (David King) 13. 11:40 AM - Re: Shutters cable (Pedro Cerveira Pinto) 14. 11:42 AM - Re: Shutters cable (A. Dennis Savarese) 15. 12:16 PM - Re: Shutters cable (doug sapp) 16. 12:27 PM - Re: Shutters cable (A. Dennis Savarese) 17. 12:33 PM - Re: Shutters cable (Pedro Cerveira Pinto) 18. 12:57 PM - How do I bypass the rear flap handle? (motoadve) 19. 01:19 PM - Re: How do I bypass the rear flap handle? (Mark Pennington) 20. 01:37 PM - Re: How do I bypass the rear flap handle? (doug sapp) 21. 01:37 PM - Re: How do I bypass the rear flap handle? (Hank Gibson) 22. 01:39 PM - Re: How do I bypass the rear flap handle? (A. Dennis Savarese) 23. 02:15 PM - Re: How do I bypass the rear flap handle? (motoadve) 24. 03:26 PM - Re: How do I bypass the rear flap handle? (Robin Hou) 25. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: How do I bypass the rear flap handle? (Anthony Savarese) 26. 08:45 PM - Re: Shutters cable (Walter Lannon) 27. 09:22 PM - Re: Shutters cable (Tom Elliott) 28. 10:13 PM - Re: Shutters cable (glipaz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:56 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Nose gear actuator From: "Jacquescj6" Hi guys. Dont know if this has been asked. Can the main gear actuator and the nose gear actuators be swapped or are they deferint. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488299#488299 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:03 AM PST US From: Pedro Cerveira Pinto Subject: Yak-List: Shutters cable Hi there Does anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of the engine can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable? Thanks -- Pedro Cerveira Pinto ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:41 AM PST US From: Richard Romaine Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Engine Vibration Has anyone ever looked at doing urethane mounts...or is the thinking theyd be too stiff or not survive the environment? Rich Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:21 AM PST US From: doug sapp Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable Are you looking for shutter cable for CJ or Yak? If CJ I have them in stock, if for Yak may be the same, I do not know for sure. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:49 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto < cerveirapinto@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi there > Does anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of the > engine can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable? > Thanks > > -- > Pedro Cerveira Pinto > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:07 AM PST US From: Pedro Cerveira Pinto Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable Looking for yak 52 A quinta, 28/03/2019, 13:57, doug sapp escreveu: > Are you looking for shutter cable for CJ or Yak? If CJ I have them in > stock, if for Yak may be the same, I do not know for sure. > > Doug > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:49 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto < > cerveirapinto@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi there >> Does anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of the >> engine can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable? >> Thanks >> >> -- >> Pedro Cerveira Pinto >> >> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:17 AM PST US From: Hank Gibson Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable Pedro- Yes you can; I have for both the shutter and prop Gov control. Email me di rectly for more pics and details if you decide to do it. The Universal ends can take the metric chinee/Rusky metric connector as it is 10/32 which is c lose enough for metric M4 or M5, can=99t remember. Trickiest part for the shutters is the cockpit connection and whether you keep the Chinese/Rus sian control knob/lever mechanism. https://www.greatlakesskipper.com/teleflex-tfxtreme-3300-33c-boat-control-ca ble-ccx63322-22-foot-134809?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&adpos=1o4 &scid=scplp8201349&sc_intid=8201349&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIq9_B0_yk4QIVwh-t Bh2fCwHyEAUYBCABEgKpGvD_BwE Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2019, at 4:44 AM, Pedro Cerveira Pinto wrote: > > Hi there > Does anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of the eng ine can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable? > Thanks > > -- > Pedro Cerveira Pinto > ========================== ========================== ========================== ========================== ========================== ========================== ========================== ============ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:19 AM PST US From: doug sapp Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable Measure the OD of the tube and the overall length and give me a call 509-826-4610 Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:24 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto < cerveirapinto@gmail.com> wrote: > Looking for yak 52 > > A quinta, 28/03/2019, 13:57, doug sapp escreveu: > >> Are you looking for shutter cable for CJ or Yak? If CJ I have them in >> stock, if for Yak may be the same, I do not know for sure. >> >> Doug >> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:49 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto < >> cerveirapinto@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi there >>> Does anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of the >>> engine can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable? >>> Thanks >>> >>> -- >>> Pedro Cerveira Pinto >>> >>> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:23 AM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nose gear actuator Hi Jacques; No; they are quite different. Walt -----Original Message----- From: Jacquescj6 Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 3:06 AM Subject: Yak-List: Nose gear actuator Hi guys. Dont know if this has been asked. Can the main gear actuator and the nose gear actuators be swapped or are they deferint. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488299#488299 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:02 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable My experience says the CJ cable, even if it may have the same ends on it, will be too long because the CJ cooling louver control is on the left side of the instrument panel.=C2- Whereas the Yak 52's control lever is on the right front console.=C2- The total length of the Yak 52 cable is going t o be much shorter.Dennis On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 12:37:27 PM EDT, doug sapp wrote: Measure the OD of the tube and the overall length and give me a call=C2- 509-826-4610 Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:24 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto wrote: Looking for yak 52 A quinta, 28/03/2019, 13:57, doug sapp escreveu: Are you looking for shutter cable for CJ or Yak?=C2- If CJ I have them in stock, if for Yak may be the same, I do not know for sure. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:49 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto wrote: Hi there Does anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of the engi ne can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable?Thanks -- Pedro Cerveira Pinto ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:35 AM PST US From: doug sapp Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable Dennis, Good to know. No Yaks nearby for me to check. I have in the past fabricated a new outer sheath out of copper tubing. As I'm sure you know 99% of the time there is nothing wrong with the inner cable, the issue is that the outer sheath is kinked/dented and is binding on the inner cable or the threaded rod ends which are swaged onto both ends of the cable. Bugger is getting the old sheath off the cable without screwing it up. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:07 AM A. Dennis Savarese < dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote: > My experience says the CJ cable, even if it may have the same ends on it, > will be too long because the CJ cooling louver control is on the left side > of the instrument panel. Whereas the Yak 52's control lever is on the > right front console. The total length of the Yak 52 cable is going to be > much shorter. > Dennis > > On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 12:37:27 PM EDT, doug sapp < > dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Measure the OD of the tube and the overall length and give me a call > 509-826-4610 > > Doug > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:24 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto < > cerveirapinto@gmail.com> wrote: > > Looking for yak 52 > > A quinta, 28/03/2019, 13:57, doug sapp escreveu: > > Are you looking for shutter cable for CJ or Yak? If CJ I have them in > stock, if for Yak may be the same, I do not know for sure. > > Doug > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:49 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto < > cerveirapinto@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi there > Does anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of the > engine can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable? > Thanks > > -- > Pedro Cerveira Pinto > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:02 AM PST US From: David King Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable Depending on the year of manufacture, some CJ's have the control on the rig ht side. Dave In a message dated 3/28/2019 11:03:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, dsavarese08 12@bellsouth.net writes: My experience says the CJ cable, even if it may have the same ends on it, w ill be too long because the CJ cooling louver control is on the left side o f the instrument panel.=C2- Whereas the Yak 52's control lever is on the right front console.=C2- The total length of the Yak 52 cable is going to be much shorter.Dennis On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 12:37:27 PM EDT, doug sapp wrote: Measure the OD of the tube and the overall length and give me a call=C2- 509-826-4610 Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:24 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto wrote: Looking for yak 52 A quinta, 28/03/2019, 13:57, doug sapp escreveu: Are you looking for shutter cable for CJ or Yak?=C2- If CJ I have them in stock, if for Yak may be the same, I do not know for sure. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:49 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto wrote: Hi thereDoes anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of the engine can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable?Thanks -- Pedro Cerveira Pinto ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:11 AM PST US From: David King Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable Depending on the year of manufacture, some CJ's have the control on the rig ht side. Dave In a message dated 3/28/2019 11:03:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, dsavarese08 12@bellsouth.net writes: My experience says the CJ cable, even if it may have the same ends on it, w ill be too long because the CJ cooling louver control is on the left side o f the instrument panel.=C2- Whereas the Yak 52's control lever is on the right front console.=C2- The total length of the Yak 52 cable is going to be much shorter.Dennis On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 12:37:27 PM EDT, doug sapp wrote: Measure the OD of the tube and the overall length and give me a call=C2- 509-826-4610 Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:24 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto wrote: Looking for yak 52 A quinta, 28/03/2019, 13:57, doug sapp escreveu: Are you looking for shutter cable for CJ or Yak?=C2- If CJ I have them in stock, if for Yak may be the same, I do not know for sure. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:49 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto wrote: Hi thereDoes anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of the engine can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable?Thanks -- Pedro Cerveira Pinto ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:33 AM PST US From: Pedro Cerveira Pinto Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable "there is nothing wrong with the inner cable, the issue is that the outer sheath is kinked/dented and is binding on the inner cable,,," That is exactly the problem Doug. doug sapp escreveu no dia quinta, 28/03/2019 =C3- (s) 18:23: > Dennis, > Good to know. No Yaks nearby for me to check. > I have in the past fabricated a new outer sheath out of copper tubing. A s > I'm sure you know 99% of the time there is nothing wrong with the inner > cable, the issue is that the outer sheath is kinked/dented and is binding > on the inner cable or the threaded rod ends which are swaged onto both en ds > of the cable. Bugger is getting the old sheath off the cable without > screwing it up. > > Doug > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:07 AM A. Dennis Savarese < > dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> My experience says the CJ cable, even if it may have the same ends on it , >> will be too long because the CJ cooling louver control is on the left si de >> of the instrument panel. Whereas the Yak 52's control lever is on the >> right front console. The total length of the Yak 52 cable is going to b e >> much shorter. >> Dennis >> >> On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 12:37:27 PM EDT, doug sapp < >> dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Measure the OD of the tube and the overall length and give me a call >> 509-826-4610 >> >> Doug >> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:24 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto < >> cerveirapinto@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Looking for yak 52 >> >> A quinta, 28/03/2019, 13:57, doug sapp escreveu: >> >> Are you looking for shutter cable for CJ or Yak? If CJ I have them in >> stock, if for Yak may be the same, I do not know for sure. >> >> Doug >> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:49 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto < >> cerveirapinto@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi there >> Does anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of the >> engine can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable? >> Thanks >> >> -- >> Pedro Cerveira Pinto >> >> -- Pedro Cerveira Pinto ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:02 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable Doug,You absolutely hit the nail on the head regarding the sheath.Dennis On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 2:21:35 PM EDT, doug sapp wrote: Dennis,Good to know.=C2- No Yaks nearby for me to check.I have in the pa st fabricated a new outer sheath out of copper tubing.=C2- As I'm sure yo u know 99% of the time there is nothing wrong with the inner cable, the iss ue is that the outer sheath is kinked/dented and is binding on the inner ca ble or the threaded rod ends which are swaged onto both ends of the cable. =C2- Bugger is getting the old sheath off the cable without screwing it u p. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:07 AM A. Dennis Savarese wrote: My experience says the CJ cable, even if it may have the same ends on it, will be too long because the CJ cooling louver control is on the left side of the instrument panel.=C2- Whereas the Yak 52's control lever is on the right front console.=C2- The total length of the Yak 52 cable is going t o be much shorter.Dennis On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 12:37:27 PM EDT, doug sapp wrote: Measure the OD of the tube and the overall length and give me a call=C2- 509-826-4610 Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:24 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto wrote: Looking for yak 52 A quinta, 28/03/2019, 13:57, doug sapp escreveu: Are you looking for shutter cable for CJ or Yak?=C2- If CJ I have them in stock, if for Yak may be the same, I do not know for sure. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:49 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto wrote: Hi there Does anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of the engi ne can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable?Thanks -- Pedro Cerveira Pinto ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:56 PM PST US From: doug sapp Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable The sheath could be replaced with most any ridged tubing material of the proper ID/OD. I used copper tubing which I purchased at the local hardware. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:47 AM A. Dennis Savarese < dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Doug, > You absolutely hit the nail on the head regarding the sheath. > Dennis > > On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 2:21:35 PM EDT, doug sapp < > dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Dennis, > Good to know. No Yaks nearby for me to check. > I have in the past fabricated a new outer sheath out of copper tubing. As > I'm sure you know 99% of the time there is nothing wrong with the inner > cable, the issue is that the outer sheath is kinked/dented and is binding > on the inner cable or the threaded rod ends which are swaged onto both ends > of the cable. Bugger is getting the old sheath off the cable without > screwing it up. > > Doug > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:07 AM A. Dennis Savarese < > dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > My experience says the CJ cable, even if it may have the same ends on it, > will be too long because the CJ cooling louver control is on the left side > of the instrument panel. Whereas the Yak 52's control lever is on the > right front console. The total length of the Yak 52 cable is going to be > much shorter. > Dennis > > On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 12:37:27 PM EDT, doug sapp < > dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Measure the OD of the tube and the overall length and give me a call > 509-826-4610 > > Doug > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:24 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto < > cerveirapinto@gmail.com> wrote: > > Looking for yak 52 > > A quinta, 28/03/2019, 13:57, doug sapp escreveu: > > Are you looking for shutter cable for CJ or Yak? If CJ I have them in > stock, if for Yak may be the same, I do not know for sure. > > Doug > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:49 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto < > cerveirapinto@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi there > Does anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of the > engine can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable? > Thanks > > -- > Pedro Cerveira Pinto > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:44 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable I've done exactly the same thing Doug.=C2- The real problem is removing the cable from the sheath when the sheath has been kinked badly.McMaster Ca rr sells 8mm ID copper tubing.Dennis On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 3:19:03 PM EDT, doug sapp wrote: The sheath could be replaced with most any ridged tubing material of the p roper ID/OD.=C2- I used copper tubing which I purchased at the local hard ware. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:47 AM A. Dennis Savarese wrote: Doug,You absolutely hit the nail on the head regarding the sheath.Dennis On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 2:21:35 PM EDT, doug sapp wrote: Dennis,Good to know.=C2- No Yaks nearby for me to check.I have in the pa st fabricated a new outer sheath out of copper tubing.=C2- As I'm sure yo u know 99% of the time there is nothing wrong with the inner cable, the iss ue is that the outer sheath is kinked/dented and is binding on the inner ca ble or the threaded rod ends which are swaged onto both ends of the cable. =C2- Bugger is getting the old sheath off the cable without screwing it u p. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:07 AM A. Dennis Savarese wrote: My experience says the CJ cable, even if it may have the same ends on it, will be too long because the CJ cooling louver control is on the left side of the instrument panel.=C2- Whereas the Yak 52's control lever is on the right front console.=C2- The total length of the Yak 52 cable is going t o be much shorter.Dennis On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 12:37:27 PM EDT, doug sapp wrote: Measure the OD of the tube and the overall length and give me a call=C2- 509-826-4610 Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:24 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto wrote: Looking for yak 52 A quinta, 28/03/2019, 13:57, doug sapp escreveu: Are you looking for shutter cable for CJ or Yak?=C2- If CJ I have them in stock, if for Yak may be the same, I do not know for sure. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:49 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto wrote: Hi there Does anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of the engi ne can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable?Thanks -- Pedro Cerveira Pinto ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:13 PM PST US From: Pedro Cerveira Pinto Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable Doug Thanks I believe that is a proper solution. Copper or aluminum tube depending on what we can find locally. A quinta, 28/03/2019, 19:22, doug sapp escreveu: > The sheath could be replaced with most any ridged tubing material of the > proper ID/OD. I used copper tubing which I purchased at the local hardware. > > Doug > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:47 AM A. Dennis Savarese < > dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> Doug, >> You absolutely hit the nail on the head regarding the sheath. >> Dennis >> >> On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 2:21:35 PM EDT, doug sapp < >> dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Dennis, >> Good to know. No Yaks nearby for me to check. >> I have in the past fabricated a new outer sheath out of copper tubing. >> As I'm sure you know 99% of the time there is nothing wrong with the inner >> cable, the issue is that the outer sheath is kinked/dented and is binding >> on the inner cable or the threaded rod ends which are swaged onto both ends >> of the cable. Bugger is getting the old sheath off the cable without >> screwing it up. >> >> Doug >> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:07 AM A. Dennis Savarese < >> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> My experience says the CJ cable, even if it may have the same ends on it, >> will be too long because the CJ cooling louver control is on the left side >> of the instrument panel. Whereas the Yak 52's control lever is on the >> right front console. The total length of the Yak 52 cable is going to be >> much shorter. >> Dennis >> >> On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 12:37:27 PM EDT, doug sapp < >> dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Measure the OD of the tube and the overall length and give me a call >> 509-826-4610 >> >> Doug >> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:24 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto < >> cerveirapinto@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Looking for yak 52 >> >> A quinta, 28/03/2019, 13:57, doug sapp escreveu: >> >> Are you looking for shutter cable for CJ or Yak? If CJ I have them in >> stock, if for Yak may be the same, I do not know for sure. >> >> Doug >> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:49 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto < >> cerveirapinto@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi there >> Does anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of the >> engine can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable? >> Thanks >> >> -- >> Pedro Cerveira Pinto >> >> ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:58 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: How do I bypass the rear flap handle? From: "motoadve" There is a constant leak I can hear from it. We serviced and cleaned at annual and still there. Since the rear seat will only be used by passengers and not an instructor, I prefer to by pass it. How do I do that? -------- www.Backcountry182.com Cessna 182 P CJ -6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488323#488323 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:14 PM PST US From: Mark Pennington Subject: Re: Yak-List: How do I bypass the rear flap handle? Have you seen this diagram. It is on Doug's website and layout the air system very nicely. Mark N621CJ On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:04 PM motoadve wrote: > > There is a constant leak I can hear from it. > We serviced and cleaned at annual and still there. > Since the rear seat will only be used by passengers and not an instructor, > I prefer to by pass it. > > How do I do that? > > -------- > www.Backcountry182.com > Cessna 182 P > CJ -6 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488323#488323 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:09 PM PST US From: doug sapp Subject: Re: Yak-List: How do I bypass the rear flap handle? First before you go to the trouble it would be wise to make certain that the air noise is not coming from air leaking past the seals in your flap actuator. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 1:04 PM motoadve wrote: > > There is a constant leak I can hear from it. > We serviced and cleaned at annual and still there. > Since the rear seat will only be used by passengers and not an instructor, > I prefer to by pass it. > > How do I do that? > > -------- > www.Backcountry182.com > Cessna 182 P > CJ -6 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488323#488323 > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:33 PM PST US From: Hank Gibson Subject: Re: Yak-List: How do I bypass the rear flap handle? Hello- Remove flap handle noting the neutral =9Cin=9D line (if in doubt , turn on your air and it will be the lone that has air coming from it). On t he bench remove one of the Chinese/Russian fittings from flap valve and cap t he NPT end with a brass female 1/8=9D NPT cap (see link); take this c apped fitting back to the rear cockpit. Take old =9CB=9Dnut fro m the neutral line and screw it back on the nippled end over the flare. Don e. Line is now isolated and out of the flap system. Other two lines (up an d down) are static now and serve no purpose. Cap link below but can buy fro m many places like Ace/eBay etc. https://m.grainger.com/mobile/product/6AYZ4?cm_mmc=PPC:+Google+PLA&ef_id= EAIaIQobChMI-Ib84tWl4QIVyR-tBh0wagzlEAQYASABEgJ8AfD_BwE:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!296 6!3!320218377589!!!g!544758530610!&cm_mmc=PPC:+Google+PLA?campaignid=175 663197&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-Ib84tWl4QIVyR-tBh0wagzlEAQYASABEgJ8AfD_BwE Good luck - Hoot Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2019, at 12:57 PM, motoadve wrote: > > > There is a constant leak I can hear from it. > We serviced and cleaned at annual and still there. > Since the rear seat will only be used by passengers and not an instructor, I prefer to by pass it. > > How do I do that? > > -------- > www.Backcountry182.com > Cessna 182 P > CJ -6 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488323#488323 > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:59 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: How do I bypass the rear flap handle? It may not be the flap handle.=C2- It also could be the flap actuator to o, leaking by the seals.=C2- If you put the rear flap handle in neutral a nd the front flap handle in the UP position, do you hear air leaking from t he front flap handle?Dennis On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 3:59:59 PM EDT, motoadve wrote: There is a constant leak I can hear from it. We serviced and cleaned at annual and still there. Since the rear seat will only be used by passengers and not an instructor, I prefer to by pass it. How do I do that? -------- www.Backcountry182.com Cessna 182 P CJ -6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488323#488323 S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:01 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: How do I bypass the rear flap handle? From: "motoadve" dsavarese0812(at)bellsout wrote: > It may not be the flap handle. It also could be the flap actuator too, leaking by the seals. If you put the rear flap handle in neutral and the front flap handle in the UP position, do you hear air leaking from the front flap handle? > Dennis > > No Dennis , I cannot hear any air coming out of the front flap handle in the up position. > > On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 3:59:59 PM EDT, motoadve wrote: > > > > > > > > There is a constant leak I can hear from it. > > We serviced and cleaned at annual and still there. > > Since the rear seat will only be used by passengers and not an instructor, I prefer to by pass it. > > > > How do I do that? > > > > -------- > > www.Backcountry182.com > > Cessna 182 P > > CJ -6 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488323#488323 (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488323#488323) > > > > > > > > > > > http://ww================= > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contr======================= -------- www.Backcountry182.com Cessna 182 P CJ -6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488328#488328 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:53 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: How do I bypass the rear flap handle? From: "Robin Hou" You said: "Since the rear seat will only be used by passengers and not an instructor, I prefer to by pass it. How do I do that?" There are restrictors in the pneumatic lines going to the main and nose gear actuators. Doug has these restrictors that are undrilled. Initially, I used these undrilled restrictors on the 3 airlines going to the rear seat flap handle to bypass the rear seat flap valve. I later used these restrictors on 3 nipples to block the airlines, and sent the failed flap valve to Gill/M14-p to polish/overhaul so I have a spar flap/gear valve. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488329#488329 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:02 PM PST US From: Anthony Savarese Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: How do I bypass the rear flap handle? There are also two diverter valves at the rear gear selector that you must consider as well when bypassing the rear selector. Notice them on the schematic that Mark Pennington sent you. Dennis Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2019, at 5:14 PM, motoadve wrote: > > > > dsavarese0812(at)bellsout wrote: >> It may not be the flap handle. It also could be the flap actuator too, leaking by the seals. If you put the rear flap handle in neutral and the front flap handle in the UP position, do you hear air leaking from the front flap handle? >> Dennis >> >> No Dennis , I cannot hear any air coming out of the front flap handle in the up position. >> >> On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 3:59:59 PM EDT, motoadve wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> There is a constant leak I can hear from it. >> >> We serviced and cleaned at annual and still there. >> >> Since the rear seat will only be used by passengers and not an instructor, I prefer to by pass it. >> >> >> >> How do I do that? >> >> >> >> -------- >> >> www.Backcountry182.com >> >> Cessna 182 P >> >> CJ -6 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488323#488323 (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488323#488323) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://ww================= >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> http://www.matronics.com/contr======================= > > > -------- > www.Backcountry182.com > Cessna 182 P > CJ -6 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488328#488328 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:28 PM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable Just to complicate matters further the CJ cooling (warming?) control is on both the LH front sub inst. panel and on the RH front console! Early CJ models like mine (Batch 15, 1965/66) had it on the RH console, lat er models on the LH panel. When the change was made I do not know. Also s hould be noted that the control mechanism in the handle assy. is reversed t o accommodate the different location so that item is not interchangeable. Obviously the cable and housing lengths will be different. Cheers; Walt From: A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable My experience says the CJ cable, even if it may have the same ends on it, w ill be too long because the CJ cooling louver control is on the left side o f the instrument panel. Whereas the Yak 52's control lever is on the right front console. The total length of the Yak 52 cable is going to be much s horter. Dennis On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 12:37:27 PM EDT, doug sapp wrote: Measure the OD of the tube and the overall length and give me a call 509-8 26-4610 Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:24 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto wrote: Looking for yak 52 A quinta, 28/03/2019, 13:57, doug sapp escreveu: Are you looking for shutter cable for CJ or Yak? If CJ I have them in stock, if for Yak may be the same, I do not know for sure. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:49 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto wrote: Hi there Does anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of th e engine can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable? Thanks -- Pedro Cerveira Pinto --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:56 PM PST US From: "Tom Elliott" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shutters cable use a tubing cutter (small one) and piece out the tubbing. then the bent / kinked part will be a very small section then slit it with a dermal tool cut off wheel! Tom Elliott CJ-6A NX63727 777 Quartz Ave PMB 7004 Sandy Valley NV. 89019 Cell 541-297-5497 N13472@AOL.COM From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shutters cable I've done exactly the same thing Doug. The real problem is removing the ca ble from the sheath when the sheath has been kinked badly McMaster Carr sells 8mm ID copper tubing. Dennis On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 3:19:03 PM EDT, doug sapp wrote: The sheath could be replaced with most any ridged tubing material of the pr oper ID/OD. I used copper tubing which I purchased at the local hardware. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:47 AM A. Dennis Savarese wrote: Doug, You absolutely hit the nail on the head regarding the sheath. Dennis On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 2:21:35 PM EDT, doug sapp wrote: Dennis, Good to know. No Yaks nearby for me to check. I have in the past fabricated a new outer sheath out of copper tubing. As I'm sure you know 99% of the time there is nothing wrong with the inner cab le, the issue is that the outer sheath is kinked/dented and is binding on t he inner cable or the threaded rod ends which are swaged onto both ends of the cable. Bugger is getting the old sheath off the cable without screwing it up. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:07 AM A. Dennis Savarese wrote: My experience says the CJ cable, even if it may have the same ends on it, w ill be too long because the CJ cooling louver control is on the left side o f the instrument panel. Whereas the Yak 52's control lever is on the right front console. The total length of the Yak 52 cable is going to be much s horter. Dennis On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 12:37:27 PM EDT, doug sapp wrote: Measure the OD of the tube and the overall length and give me a call 509-8 26-4610 Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:24 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto wrote: Looking for yak 52 A quinta, 28/03/2019, 13:57, doug sapp escreveu: Are you looking for shutter cable for CJ or Yak? If CJ I have them in stoc k, if for Yak may be the same, I do not know for sure. Doug On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:49 AM Pedro Cerveira Pinto wrote: Hi there Does anyone know if the cable that opens and close the shutters of the engi ne can be replaced by a marine teleflex cable? Thanks -- Pedro Cerveira Pinto --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:58 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Shutters cable From: "glipaz" Great discussion. My previous CJ 1966 had the control on the left front panel. My new CJ 1965 has it on the right hand lower panel. Question: I have seen a couple examples where the control knob and mechanism were replaced with a vernier style controller. Anyone have any experience with that?? I am wanting to replace mine since it is rough on the knuckles opening and closing! 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