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1. 06:43 AM - Re: [Non-DoD Source] G meter, when do you use it? (Michael Foster)
2. 08:27 AM - Re: [Non-DoD Source] G meter, when do you use it? (William Geipel)
3. 09:09 AM - Low river run. (motoadve)
4. 09:58 AM - Re: [Non-DoD Source] G meter, when do you use it? (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV USMC MAG 14 (US))
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| Subject: | Re: G meter, when do you use it? |
Is there really such a thing as a constant g maneuver? Think of a 60 degree aob
steep turn. It is by definition a 2 g level turn. Can you fly it at a constant
2 g? Maybe if you are Bob Hoover, but us mortals have to adjust the g and bank
to stay level. Vertical maneuvers are the same. They start with a gradual pull
to 4 g, which decreases near the vertical to about 1 g over the top and gradually
increases again going down. The g meter teaches muscle memory and is useful
only to set the nose for the first and last quarter of the maneuver. Get
some instruction before teaching yourself bad habits.
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> On Apr 12, 2019, at 14:02, Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca> wrote:
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> Perhaps the answer to that question may be: -- In comparing your "G" meter reading
after completion of a maneuver with a ground observer's remarks (or video)
and your own impressions of the maneuver's quality.
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> Walt
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> -----Original Message----- From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV USMC MAG 14 (US)
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> If I understand the question correctly, usually when learning to perform a constant
G maneuver. Honestly not sure what you meant by "take the most out of
your G meter?"
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| Subject: | Re: G meter, when do you use it? |
Cornering speed
> On Apr 17, 2019, at 08:42, Michael Foster <michaelfoster@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> Is there really such a thing as a constant g maneuver? Think of a 60 degree aob
steep turn. It is by definition a 2 g level turn. Can you fly it at a constant
2 g? Maybe if you are Bob Hoover, but us mortals have to adjust the g and
bank to stay level. Vertical maneuvers are the same. They start with a gradual
pull to 4 g, which decreases near the vertical to about 1 g over the top and
gradually increases again going down. The g meter teaches muscle memory and is
useful only to set the nose for the first and last quarter of the maneuver. Get
some instruction before teaching yourself bad habits.
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>> On Apr 12, 2019, at 14:02, Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca> wrote:
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>> Perhaps the answer to that question may be: -- In comparing your "G" meter
reading after completion of a maneuver with a ground observer's remarks (or video)
and your own impressions of the maneuver's quality.
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>> Walt
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>> -----Original Message----- From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV USMC MAG 14 (US)
>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 9:13 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: G meter, when do you use it?
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>> If I understand the question correctly, usually when learning to perform a constant
G maneuver. Honestly not sure what you meant by "take the most out of
your G meter?"
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>> Mark
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on behalf of motoadve [motoadve@racsa.co.cr]
>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 12:17 AM
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>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: G meter, when do you use it?
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>> When and how do you take the most out of your G meter?
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Same river I fly over in my 182 quite often, flew it in the Nanchang at more than
twice the speed, very fun, definitely more challenging and intense, at this
speeds compared to the 182 speeds when I fly it.
There are wires in this river, after flying it many times,I know their locations.
https://youtu.be/rZ28voCDzAk
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| Subject: | G meter, when do you use it? |
Sorry to disagree, but yes, there is actually such a thing as "a constant G maneuver,
and no you really do not need to be Bob Hoover to accomplish it. That
being said, I do agree with you, it is not really needed in a 60 degree turn,
which is why not too many general aviation aircraft have it included.
But constant G, is no different than constant airspeed, steady altitude, or a certain
angle of attack and I believe you know this. The instrument is a tool
that is used for certain purposes and how well you use it reflects on your ability
as a pilot.
A G meter is standard apparel in any aircraft that is expected to perform aerobatics.
It is found not only in the Yak's and CJ's, but also in every military
out there (Ok, maybe not during WW-I). Your comment about it being needed for
the first and last part of a figure is true and not true, both at the same time.
The answer depends on exactly what you are talking about and how you go
about trying to do it. You can do a vertical maneuver exactly as you describe,
and you can also do aerobatics without a G meter, and it all depends what you
are looking for.
If a pilot does exactly what you said: "A gradual pull to 4 G which decreases near
the vertical", the arc that the aircraft will draw in the sky will not be
symmetrical. if the only goal is to get vertical in the first place, then your
description will be fine. If you are a beginning aerobatic pilot, your instructor
will sit down and explain what "constant G" really is, why it is important
to be able to perform it, and will remind you constantly when you don't.
If you perform in todays highly competitive world of aerobatics you will see
that the style these days is a very hard onset of G, painful in fact, and then
a very rapid release with a slight push forward to "set the line". This kind
of flying comes long after your first exposure to a G meter. I hope all of this
finally answers the original question of "G meter when do you use it?"
Regarding instruction, bad habits, etc. Anyone with a grain of sense should realize
that obtaining instruction before attempting to perform aerobatics is wise.
At 21 years of age with no fear of death, and a Marine Sgt. no less, I was
not very wise and instead taught myself aerobatics from reading Duanne Cole's
book "Turns about a point" in a T-34B Mentor no less. After I don't know how
many terrible dished out rolls, and very close experiences with the ground
I decided maybe I ought to get some instruction. In other words, I eventually
scared myself so badly that I managed to exhibit my first grain of wisdom. I
am only mentioning this because at some level, all of us that own airplanes,
especially these kinds of airplanes, is a kid at heart no matter how many birthdays
we've had.
Those first aerobatic experiences made such a deep impression on me that my SM-1019
now has the same N number as that old T-34B; Beechcraft N4756 And yes,
I am lucky to be alive and that N number constantly reminds me of that.
Mark
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
on behalf of Michael Foster [michaelfoster@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: G meter, when do you use it?
Is there really such a thing as a constant g maneuver? Think of a 60 degree aob
steep turn. It is by definition a 2 g level turn. Can you fly it at a constant
2 g? Maybe if you are Bob Hoover, but us mortals have to adjust the g and bank
to stay level. Vertical maneuvers are the same. They start with a gradual pull
to 4 g, which decreases near the vertical to about 1 g over the top and gradually
increases again going down. The g meter teaches muscle memory and is useful
only to set the nose for the first and last quarter of the maneuver. Get
some instruction before teaching yourself bad habits.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 12, 2019, at 14:02, Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
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> Perhaps the answer to that question may be: -- In comparing your "G" meter reading
after completion of a maneuver with a ground observer's remarks (or video)
and your own impressions of the maneuver's quality.
>
> Walt
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> -----Original Message----- From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV USMC MAG 14 (US)
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 9:13 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: G meter, when do you use it?
>
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> If I understand the question correctly, usually when learning to perform a constant
G maneuver. Honestly not sure what you meant by "take the most out of
your G meter?"
>
>
> Mark
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> ________________________________
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
on behalf of motoadve [motoadve@racsa.co.cr]
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 12:17 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Yak-List: G meter, when do you use it?
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> When and how do you take the most out of your G meter?
>
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> www.Backcountry182.com<http://www.backcountry182.com/<http://www.backcountry182.com%3chttp//www.backcountry182.com/>>
> Cessna 182 P
> CJ -6
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488677#488677
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