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Sat 07/06/19


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     1. 07:13 AM - Re: CJ abeam, flap up/down (motoadve)
     2. 07:27 AM - Re: Intermittent Gear Up Light - CJ (A. Dennis Savarese)
     3. 07:29 AM - Re: engine failure over water (motoadve)
     4. 08:15 AM - Re: Intermittent Gear Up Light - CJ (Mark Pennington)
     5. 08:19 AM - Re: Intermittent Gear Up Light - CJ (Mark Pennington)
     6. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: engine failure over water (Greg Wrobel)
     7. 01:58 PM - M14-P quandary (Byron Fox)
     8. 02:17 PM - Re: M14-P quandary (mark bitterlich)
     9. 02:53 PM - Re: M14-P quandary (A. Dennis Savarese)
    10. 11:26 PM - Pneumatic system - lubrication (Stressmerchant)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:13:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: CJ abeam, flap up/down
    From: "motoadve" <motoadve@racsa.co.cr>
    What does the CJ 6 Chinese manual says about deploying flaps for landing? I have been deploying flaps on my base turn, I use an angle of attack indicator, and see it increases the angle of attack, so I push the nose at the same time as deploying flaps. Deploying on final does not sound like a bad idea. -------- www.Backcountry182.com Cessna 182 P CJ -6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490074#490074


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    Time: 07:27:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Intermittent Gear Up Light - CJ
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Check the engagement "button/arm" adjustment that depresses the microswitch.?? Using a flat blade screwdriver with someone in the cockpit, depress the microswitch button and see if the light is flickering when you first engage the microswitch manually. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-546-8182 (mobile) www.yak-52.com Skype - Yakguy1 On 7/5/2019 5:04 PM, ed.kettler wrote: > > I am getting an intermittent Gear Up light failure on my right gear. Initially on retract, I get a solid red, then it blinks for a few cycles, then goes out. Bulb test shows all lights working, and I get the indication in both cockpits > > Is this a latching problem with the gear up lock? Switch fault? > > I will have it up on jacks this weekend, so anybody have any advice on what to check? > > Thanks > Ed > > -------- > Ed Kettler > N53HM > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490070#490070 > >


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    Time: 07:29:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: engine failure over water
    From: "motoadve" <motoadve@racsa.co.cr>
    What scares me about jumping is hitting the plane, and get incapacitated. With this high survival rate of ditching in GA, is the chute still better? https://www.avweb.com/flight-safety/technique/ditching-old-wives-tales/ -------- www.Backcountry182.com Cessna 182 P CJ -6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490075#490075


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    Time: 08:15:32 AM PST US
    From: Mark Pennington <pennington.construction.inc.1@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Intermittent Gear Up Light - CJ
    Ed I agree with Dennis in testing the switch. One question. When you put your gear up. Do you leave the gear handle in the up position. Or do you put it in the neutral position? Mark N621CJ On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 10:32 AM A. Dennis Savarese < dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote: > dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> > > Check the engagement "button/arm" adjustment that depresses the > microswitch.?? Using a flat blade screwdriver with someone in the > cockpit, depress the microswitch button and see if the light is > flickering when you first engage the microswitch manually. > Dennis > > A. Dennis Savarese > 334-546-8182 (mobile) > www.yak-52.com > Skype - Yakguy1 > > On 7/5/2019 5:04 PM, ed.kettler wrote: > > > > I am getting an intermittent Gear Up light failure on my right gear. > Initially on retract, I get a solid red, then it blinks for a few cycles, > then goes out. Bulb test shows all lights working, and I get the indication > in both cockpits > > > > Is this a latching problem with the gear up lock? Switch fault? > > > > I will have it up on jacks this weekend, so anybody have any advice on > what to check? > > > > Thanks > > Ed > > > > -------- > > Ed Kettler > > N53HM > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490070#490070 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:19:35 AM PST US
    From: Mark Pennington <pennington.construction.inc.1@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Intermittent Gear Up Light - CJ
    Ed Dennis made a good suggestion. One question When you put the gear up. Do you leave the gear handle up or put in the neutral position. ? Mark N621CJ On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 10:32 AM A. Dennis Savarese < dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote: > dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> > > Check the engagement "button/arm" adjustment that depresses the > microswitch.?? Using a flat blade screwdriver with someone in the > cockpit, depress the microswitch button and see if the light is > flickering when you first engage the microswitch manually. > Dennis > > A. Dennis Savarese > 334-546-8182 (mobile) > www.yak-52.com > Skype - Yakguy1 > > On 7/5/2019 5:04 PM, ed.kettler wrote: > > > > I am getting an intermittent Gear Up light failure on my right gear. > Initially on retract, I get a solid red, then it blinks for a few cycles, > then goes out. Bulb test shows all lights working, and I get the indication > in both cockpits > > > > Is this a latching problem with the gear up lock? Switch fault? > > > > I will have it up on jacks this weekend, so anybody have any advice on > what to check? > > > > Thanks > > Ed > > > > -------- > > Ed Kettler > > N53HM > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490070#490070 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:59:35 AM PST US
    From: Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: engine failure over water
    I have put a 15 foot lanyard on my chute. If I am incapacitated, the lanyard opens the chute. If you decide to land in the water or off field, make sure you remember to lock OPEN the canopies. If u end up upside down, it weren't be pretty trying to get out and doubt you will. On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 09:35 motoadve <motoadve@racsa.co.cr> wrote: > > What scares me about jumping is hitting the plane, and get incapacitated. > With this high survival rate of ditching in GA, is the chute still better? > > https://www.avweb.com/flight-safety/technique/ditching-old-wives-tales/ > > -------- > www.Backcountry182.com > Cessna 182 P > CJ -6 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490075#490075 > >


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    Time: 01:58:42 PM PST US
    From: Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>
    Subject: M14-P quandary
    I'll endeavor to be succinct. About 1-2 minutes after takeoff in our CJ, climbing at 2900 rpm, the engine runs rough for about 10-15 seconds, and then smooths out. Gets one's attention. Grounding testing, chocked and chained down, I get the same result at full power, and black smoke is observed coming out of the port (left) exhaust stack. During the roughness: 1. Both mags check OK 2. Throttle movement has no effect 3. Wobble pumping has no effect 4. Prop movement has no effect The analysis so far is a sticking exhaust valve, but which one? Why briefly at high power and consequently high heat? Compression tests are fine. Nothing obvious appears when the valve covers are removed. Would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks, ... Blitz Byron M. Fox 415-307-2405


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    Time: 02:17:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: M14-P quandary
    From: mark bitterlich <markbitterlich@embarqmail.com>
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    Time: 02:53:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: M14-P quandary
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Add a quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to the oil and go fly the airplane for an hour or two.?? The MMO tends to clean the valve stems and valve guides of the varnish buildup that causes valve(s) to stick. Even a couple of quarts won't hurt it. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-546-8182 (mobile) www.yak-52.com Skype - Yakguy1 On 7/6/2019 4:57 PM, Byron Fox wrote: > I'll endeavor to be succinct. > > About 1-2 minutes after takeoff in our CJ, climbing at 2900 rpm, the > engine runs rough for about 10-15 seconds, and then smooths out. Gets > one's attention. > > Grounding testing, chocked and chained down, I get the same result at > full power, and black smoke is observed coming out of the port (left) > exhaust stack. > > During the roughness: > > 1. Both mags check OK > 2. Throttle movement has no effect > 3. Wobble pumping has no effect > 4. Prop movement has no effect > > The analysis so far is a sticking exhaust valve, but which one? Why > briefly at high power and consequently high heat? > > Compression tests are fine. > Nothing obvious appears when the valve covers are removed. > > Would appreciate your thoughts. > > Thanks, > ... Blitz > > > Byron M. Fox > > 415-307-2405 >


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    Time: 11:26:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Pneumatic system - lubrication
    From: "Stressmerchant" <mike_beresford@yahoo.co.uk>
    How much maintenance is generally required on the Yak-52 pneumatic system, and does the lubrication level play a role? The background to this is that I shipped my Yak from South Africa to Australia. I'd run the Yak in South Africa for about 10 years, with the annual maintenance being done by an expatriate Russian. During that time we never had a single hassle with the pneumatic system. The Russian technician did tell me that they lubricated the various undercarriage actuators in accordance with the original manuals, which called for a fairly large amount of lubricant. I recall that after annual services, operation of the undercarriage usually resulted in a fine mist of oil in the cockpit which looked a bit like smoke. Now the aircraft is in Australia. At reassembly, the Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (LAME) insisted that the pneumatic system be completely overhauled - including all seals and o-rings within the system. Since the aircraft had been in a non-flying condition for a fair amount of time, I could understand that some corrosion could have developed. (FWIW the aircraft was held up in South Africa for 18 months due to customs issues, and it then took the local LAME almost 3 years to reassemble). At the first annual service after returning to flight, the LAME (different one) reported that the pneumatic system was in very poor condition, and has replaced all the seals in the actuators. I am rather confused by this, since a) it gave years of faultless service in South Africa, and b) it was completely overhauled a year ago. My suspicion is that the system was not properly lubricated at the reassembly overhaul. What is the experience of the List members regarding the reliability of the pneumatic system? Is it common to have to redo the seals annually, or is there something in the system that could be causing the problem? Thanks Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490086#490086




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