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1. 01:15 AM - Re: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? (JM)
2. 01:32 AM - Re: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? (Richard Goode)
3. 01:12 PM - Marvel Mystery oil (motoadve)
4. 01:44 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Justin Drafts)
5. 02:25 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Larry Pine)
6. 02:27 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (William Geipel)
7. 02:34 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Jon Boede)
8. 02:41 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Byron Fox)
9. 02:44 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Justin Drafts)
10. 02:44 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (motoadve)
11. 03:06 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Larry Pine)
12. 03:23 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Ttail)
13. 04:22 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (mark bitterlich)
14. 04:32 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Colin Macdonald)
15. 04:37 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (A. Dennis Savarese)
16. 04:50 PM - Looking for USA Yak 55 or 55M (Marco Bouw)
17. 04:54 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (A. Dennis Savarese)
18. 05:04 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (A. Dennis Savarese)
19. 05:23 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Mark Pennington)
20. 05:34 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (motoadve)
21. 06:02 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (mark bitterlich)
22. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Mark Bitterlich)
23. 06:29 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (\)
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| Subject: | Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? |
You can download the Aeroshell book on:
https://www.shell.com/business-customers/aviation/aeroshell/knowledge-centr
e/the-aeroshell-book/_jcr_content/par/textimage_1433441235.stream/1445039847
869/64a1a7d0fdadb6377a29d795dc9583e7c30e12b3/theaeroshellbook.pdf#page=1&zoo
m=auto,581,149
It=99s all well explained in this book.
BR,
Jan
From: <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com> on behalf of Jan Mevis <j.mevis
@computer.org>
Reply to: <yak-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai?
Aeroshell does not recommend its W15W50 for radials.
I tried to upload the whole powerpoint but the matronics-list refuses doing
that.
BR,
Jan
From: <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com> on behalf of Royden Heays <heay
sr@telus.net>
Reply to: <yak-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai?
Ladies & Gents
Jill has on several occasions given her views on this list on the use of Ae
roshell W100 vs Philips 25W60 in the M14P engines.
She comes down on the side of Aeroshell with good reasons given. Try and se
arch on the list to see her previous posts.
That was before Shell launched the Plus version, which by all accounts now
obviates the need for supplementing Aeroshell W100 with CamGuard.
Jill=99s W100 recommendation extends to W80 and W120, depending on the seas
on and your location.
Jill, do you have anything to add or correct?
Regards
Royden
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai?
Hi Richard;
You are quite likely referring here to automotive oils which are far too th
in for use in any aircraft engine and, in any case, must never be used due t
o the potential for pre-ignition in an air-cooled engine.
As far as I=99m aware there are are only two companies producing an approve
d aviation multi-grade oil (I=99m sure if there are more I will soon become
aware!). They are Phillips with their X/C 20W50 and X/C 25W60 (Radial) petro
leum based oil and Aeroshell with their semi-synthetic W15W50.
I=99m sure if you go to the above companies websites you will find a descri
ption of how a multi-grade works in service. It is not quite as you describ
e.
You are describing a non multi-grade oil which is far thinner when hot. Th
e multi-grade is far thinner when cold (first viscosity number). With incr
easing temperature the multi-grade does not get =9Cthicker=9D as some postul
ate but will get thinner at a greatly reduced rate compared to a non multi o
il with the result being the second viscosity number is reached at the opera
ting temperature for both oils. If you could view this on a graph you would
see the non multi viscosity reducing sharply with increasing temperature wh
ile the multi-grade gets there in virtually a straight line.
I believe the X/C 25W60 is a good choice for the M14P if you want the conve
nience but no better than a seasonal change from 100 to 120 AD oils.
With the exception of the above Aeroshell product I can pretty much guarant
ee the leakage problem has little or nothing to do with the choice of oil.
Best;
Walt
From: Richard Goode
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 5:58 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai?
We feel strongly that these engines are not designed for modern multigrade
oils, and whatever the nominal viscosity might be, they are definitely far t
hinner, particularly when hot, than mono-grade oils. And this definitely lea
ds to oil leaks.
Richard
RICHARD GOODE AEROBATICS
Rhodds Farm, Lyonshall, Hereford, HR5 3LW, UK
Tel: +44 (0)1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0)1544 340129
e-mail: richard.goode@russianaeros.com
www.russianaeros.com
WORLD LEADERS IN RUSSIAN SPORTING AIRCRAFT & ENGINES
In partnership with Aerometal Kft, Hungary.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of JEREMY KEYES
Sent: 29 July 2019 12:48
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai?
We use the same Aeroshell 100 Plus in the CJ. After talking with a number o
f folks we decided to make the switch and it=99s seems to well. I have notic
ed less oil leaks as well but we also recently changed mechanics and did an
extra through annual.
On Jul 29, 2019, at 4:54 AM, "cjpilot710@aol.com" <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrot
e:
I used Aeroshell 100 Plus year around in my M-14 with regular changes at 40
hours. Each time I used a multi-grade I got oil leaks. I found on opening
my engine (top over hauls to zero overhauls) the inside looked and was fair
ly clean. Might note though, with the exception of OSH trips, I flew mostly
in the Florida skies. Plus most of the time I'd cruise at 1780 rpm and 26"
manifold pressure.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca>
Sent: Sun, Jul 28, 2019 9:29 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai?
I see no problem with X/C 25W60 year round. That is the advantage of a
multi-grade. Just stay to hell away from Aeroshell semi-synthetic W15W50.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Boede
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai?
25W50 in the winter, radial 120 in the summer.
> On Jul 28, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Ok CJ6-ers, at least those of you with the Housai engines...
> Which is your preferred oil, Phillips X/C 20W-50, or their 25W-60?
>
> (I've been using 20W-50 in Seattle w/o issues, but perhaps the 25W-60 is
> better?)
>
> Thoughts, experiences?
>
> Justin
> N280NC
>
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| Subject: | Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? |
Hello Walt,
No, I'm very familiar with the differences between aviation and
automotive oil. And I am only referring to aviation multigrade. My
understanding from talking to Shell is that mono-grade oil does retain
its viscosity at higher temperatures more than multigrade. Of course you
have the relative disadvantage that it is thicker when cold, but unlike
in automotive use aircraft are not making lots of cold starts; running
for a bit and then stopping. So the advantages of a thin oil when cold
or not so apparent.
And separately, we have seen several examples of oil leaking from
engines that have started to use multigrade, which then stops when they
revert to monograde.
Richard
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon
Sent: 29 July 2019 19:47
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai?
Hi Richard;
You are quite likely referring here to automotive oils which are far too
thin for use in any aircraft engine and, in any case, must never be used
due to the potential for pre-ignition in an air-cooled engine.
As far as I=99m aware there are are only two companies producing
an approved aviation multi-grade oil (I=99m sure if there are more
I will soon become aware!). They are Phillips with their X/C 20W50 and
X/C 25W60 (Radial) petroleum based oil and Aeroshell with their
semi-synthetic W15W50.
I=99m sure if you go to the above companies websites you will find
a description of how a multi-grade works in service. It is not quite as
you describe.
You are describing a non multi-grade oil which is far thinner when hot.
The multi-grade is far thinner when cold (first viscosity number).
With increasing temperature the multi-grade does not get
=9Cthicker=9D as some postulate but will get thinner at a
greatly reduced rate compared to a non multi oil with the result being
the second viscosity number is reached at the operating temperature for
both oils. If you could view this on a graph you would see the non
multi viscosity reducing sharply with increasing temperature while the
multi-grade gets there in virtually a straight line.
I believe the X/C 25W60 is a good choice for the M14P if you want the
convenience but no better than a seasonal change from 100 to 120 AD
oils.
With the exception of the above Aeroshell product I can pretty much
guarantee the leakage problem has little or nothing to do with the
choice of oil.
Best;
Walt
From: Richard Goode <mailto:richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 5:58 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai?
We feel strongly that these engines are not designed for modern
multigrade oils, and whatever the nominal viscosity might be, they are
definitely far thinner, particularly when hot, than mono-grade oils. And
this definitely leads to oil leaks.
Richard
RICHARD GOODE AEROBATICS
Rhodds Farm, Lyonshall, Hereford, HR5 3LW, UK
Tel: +44 (0)1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0)1544 340129
e-mail: richard.goode@russianaeros.com
<mailto:richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
<http://www.russianaeros.com> www.russianaeros.com
WORLD LEADERS IN RUSSIAN SPORTING AIRCRAFT & ENGINES
In partnership with Aerometal Kft, Hungary.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEREMY KEYES
Sent: 29 July 2019 12:48
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai?
We use the same Aeroshell 100 Plus in the CJ. After talking with a
number of folks we decided to make the switch and it=99s seems to
well. I have noticed less oil leaks as well but we also recently changed
mechanics and did an extra through annual.
On Jul 29, 2019, at 4:54 AM, "cjpilot710@aol.com
<mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com> " <cjpilot710@aol.com
<mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com> > wrote:
I used Aeroshell 100 Plus year around in my M-14 with regular changes at
40 hours. Each time I used a multi-grade I got oil leaks. I found on
opening my engine (top over hauls to zero overhauls) the inside looked
and was fairly clean. Might note though, with the exception of OSH
trips, I flew mostly in the Florida skies. Plus most of the time I'd
cruise at 1780 rpm and 26" manifold pressure.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca <mailto:wlannon@shaw.ca> >
Sent: Sun, Jul 28, 2019 9:29 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai?
<mailto:wlannon@shaw.ca> >
I see no problem with X/C 25W60 year round. That is the advantage of a
multi-grade. Just stay to hell away from Aeroshell semi-synthetic
W15W50.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Boede
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai?
<mailto:jonboede@hotmail.com> >
25W50 in the winter, radial 120 in the summer.
> On Jul 28, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com
<mailto:draftsjust417@gmail.com> >
> wrote:
>
> Ok CJ6-ers, at least those of you with the Housai engines...
> Which is your preferred oil, Phillips X/C 20W-50, or their 25W-60?
>
> (I've been using 20W-50 in Seattle w/o issues, but perhaps the 25W-60
is
> better?)
>
> Thoughts, experiences?
>
> Justin
> N280NC
>
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| Subject: | Marvel Mystery oil |
Some like it some say its a waste.
Never tried it.
Bought some, for the ones who use it.
How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel?
What are the benefits?
Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D
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www.Backcountry182.com
Cessna 182 P
CJ -6
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the *many* forums on engine maintenance.
I asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and
radial-engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than
20-weight sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he
meant there is little value added by using it.
Some may say it's great, I *personally* don't plan to use it in my CJ6.
Justin
N280NC
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve <motoadve@racsa.co.cr> wrote:
>
> Some like it some say its a waste.
> Never tried it.
>
> Bought some, for the ones who use it.
> How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel?
>
> What are the benefits?
> Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D
>
> --------
> www.Backcountry182.com
> Cessna 182 P
> CJ -6
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
I use it all n both oil and gas. No valve or plug carbon issues.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 30, 2019, at 1:12 PM, motoadve <motoadve@racsa.co.cr> wrote:
>
>
> Some like it some say its a waste.
> Never tried it.
>
> Bought some, for the ones who use it.
> How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel?
>
> What are the benefits?
> Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D
>
> --------
> www.Backcountry182.com
> Cessna 182 P
> CJ -6
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595
>
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
Can=99t hurt. I like wintergreen!
It=99s like many things, everybody has an opinion.
Thanks for the info.
> On Jul 30, 2019, at 15:43, Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the many forums on engine
maintenance.
> I asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and
radial-engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than
20-weight sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he
meant there is little value added by using it.
> Some may say it's great, I personally don't plan to use it in my CJ6.
>
> Justin
> N280NC
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve <motoadve@racsa.co.cr
<mailto:motoadve@racsa.co.cr>> wrote:
<mailto:motoadve@racsa.co.cr>>
>
> Some like it some say its a waste.
> Never tried it.
>
> Bought some, for the ones who use it.
> How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel?
>
> What are the benefits?
> Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D
>
> --------
> www.Backcountry182.com <http://www.backcountry182.com/>
> Cessna 182 P
> CJ -6
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
Some say its a waste. Some say it cures cancer.
I just want to know if anybodys ever tried it with Vodka.
> On Jul 30, 2019, at 4:30 PM, Larry Pine <threein60@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> I use it all n both oil and gas. No valve or plug carbon issues.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 30, 2019, at 1:12 PM, motoadve <motoadve@racsa.co.cr> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Some like it some say its a waste.
>> Never tried it.
>>
>> Bought some, for the ones who use it.
>> How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel?
>>
>> What are the benefits?
>> Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D
>>
>> --------
>> www.Backcountry182.com
>> Cessna 182 P
>> CJ -6
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
I=99m now a believer.
> A few weeks back I wrote with a puzzling problem that I thought might be a
sticky valve.
>
> Dennis Savarese offered the following:
>
> =9CAdd a quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to the oil and go fly the airpl
ane for an hour or two.?? The MMO tends to clean the valve stems and valve g
uides of the varnish buildup that causes valve(s) to stick. Even a couple of
quarts won't hurt it.
Absolutely solved the problem.
I understand that one should add 4oz per 10 gallons of fuel, but I don
=99t know the appropriate MMO to oil dosage. Arbitrarily, I added a half qua
rt when I just changed the oil. I=99m positive that someone else will p
op up with the right answer.
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
> On Jul 30, 2019, at 1:12 PM, motoadve <motoadve@racsa.co.cr> wrote:
>
>
> Some like it some say its a waste.
> Never tried it.
>
> Bought some, for the ones who use it.
> How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel?
>
> What are the benefits?
> Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D
>
> --------
> www.Backcountry182.com
> Cessna 182 P
> CJ -6
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
Ya, if anyone has good experiences with MMO, I'm def interested & open to
hear the positive reports... I can't say one way or another from *personal*
experience.
J
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 2:33 PM William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can=99t hurt. I like wintergreen!
> It=99s like many things, everybody has an opinion.
> Thanks for the info.
>
>
> On Jul 30, 2019, at 15:43, Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the *many* forums on engine
> maintenance.
> I asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and
> radial-engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than
> 20-weight sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he
> meant there is little value added by using it.
> Some may say it's great, I *personally* don't plan to use it in my CJ6.
>
> Justin
> N280NC
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve <motoadve@racsa.co.cr> wrote:
>
>>
>> Some like it some say its a waste.
>> Never tried it.
>>
>> Bought some, for the ones who use it.
>> How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel?
>>
>> What are the benefits?
>> Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D
>>
>> --------
>> www.Backcountry182.com <http://www.backcountry182.com/>
>> Cessna 182 P
>> CJ -6
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
threein60 wrote:
> I use it all n both oil and gas. No valve or plug carbon issues.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> > On Jul 30, 2019, at 1:12 PM, motoadve wrote:
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> > Some like it some say its a waste.
> > Never tried it.
> >
> > Bought some, for the ones who use it.
> > How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel?
> >
> > What are the benefits?
> > Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D
> >
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> > www.Backcountry182.com
> > Cessna 182 P
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How much Mistery oil you put on your fuel and how much on your oil?
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
I believe Jill from M14 said in the past that she has not experienced carbon issues
with values with M14p that use mmo and multi grade. I trust Jill.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 30, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Some say its a waste. Some say it cures cancer.
>
> I just want to know if anybodys ever tried it with Vodka.
>
>> On Jul 30, 2019, at 4:30 PM, Larry Pine <threein60@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I use it all n both oil and gas. No valve or plug carbon issues.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2019, at 1:12 PM, motoadve <motoadve@racsa.co.cr> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Some like it some say its a waste.
>>> Never tried it.
>>>
>>> Bought some, for the ones who use it.
>>> How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel?
>>>
>>> What are the benefits?
>>> Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D
>>>
>>> --------
>>> www.Backcountry182.com
>>> Cessna 182 P
>>> CJ -6
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
In the Fuel 3ml MMO to 1 Ltr 100LL
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
And our Housai does run like a sewing machine
Colin A. Macdonald
707-291-2878
> On Jul 30, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Some say its a waste. Some say it cures cancer.
>
> I just want to know if anybodys ever tried it with Vodka.
>
>> On Jul 30, 2019, at 4:30 PM, Larry Pine <threein60@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I use it all n both oil and gas. No valve or plug carbon issues.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2019, at 1:12 PM, motoadve <motoadve@racsa.co.cr> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Some like it some say its a waste.
>>> Never tried it.
>>>
>>> Bought some, for the ones who use it.
>>> How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel?
>>>
>>> What are the benefits?
>>> Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D
>>>
>>> --------
>>> www.Backcountry182.com
>>> Cessna 182 P
>>> CJ -6
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
Add 6 oz. per 15 gallons of fuel.=C2- Interpolate when topping off the f
uel.=C2- It's printed right on the MMO container.
Add 1 quart into the oil tank one to two hours before an oil change.=C2-
Definitely fly the airplane for the one to two hour period.Dennis
On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 5:46:28 PM EDT, Justin Drafts <draftsjust417
@gmail.com> wrote:
Ya, if anyone has good experiences with MMO, I'm def interested & open to
hear the positive reports... I can't say one way or another from personal e
xperience.J
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 2:33 PM William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
Can=99t hurt. I like wintergreen!It=99s like many things, every
body has an opinion.Thanks for the info.
On Jul 30, 2019, at 15:43, Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the many forums on engine maintenance.I
asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and radial-
engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than 20-weight
sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he meant there
is little value added by using it.Some may say it's great, I personally don
't plan to use it in my CJ6.
JustinN280NC
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve <motoadve@racsa.co.cr> wrote:
Some like it some say its a waste.
Never tried it.
Bought some, for the ones who use it.
How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel?
What are the benefits?
Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D
--------
www.Backcountry182.com
Cessna 182 P
CJ -6
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Hello all, just joined the email group. I am currently looking with a Yak 55 or
55M. Looking for aircrafts located in the USA only. There is the the possibility
of a wonderfully maintained yak 52 (by Hubie Tolson) for trade if interested.
Feel free to contact me through email with any pictures and details or at
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
With all due respect to the lecturer, that is pure unadulterated B.S. !!
Marvel Mystery Oil is a product of the Marvel Oil Company, founded by Burt
Pierce.[1] It is used as a fuel additive, oil additive, corrosion inhibitor
, penetrating oil, and transmission leak stopper and seal relubricator.
It is composed primarily of petroleum distillates, including mineral oil (6
0-100%), mineral spirits {10-30%}, tricresyl phosphate (an antiwear and ext
reme pressure additive in lubricants, 0.1-1.0%), ortho dichlorobenzene (a s
oftening and removing agent for carbon-based contamination on metal surface
s, 0.1-1.0%), and para dichlorobenzene (a precursor used in the production
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Whether you choose to use it or not, I can unequivocally say "it works"!=C2
- Search the Yak list and you'll find many, many people who have used it
and who now swear by it.Dennis
On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 4:48:08 PM EDT, Justin Drafts <draftsjust417
@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the many forums on engine maintenance.I
asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and radial
-engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than 20-weight
sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he meant there
is little value added by using it.Some may say it's great, I personally do
n't plan to use it in my CJ6.
JustinN280NC
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve <motoadve@racsa.co.cr> wrote:
Some like it some say its a waste.
Never tried it.
Bought some, for the ones who use it.
How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel?
What are the benefits?
Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D
--------
www.Backcountry182.com
Cessna 182 P
CJ -6
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
Here's a good read about MMO use and benefits.https://www.pipercubforum.co
m/marvel.htm
Dennis
On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 7:39:28 PM EDT, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavares
e0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Add 6 oz. per 15 gallons of fuel.=C2- Interpolate when topping off the
fuel.=C2- It's printed right on the MMO container.
Add 1 quart into the oil tank one to two hours before an oil change.=C2-
Definitely fly the airplane for the one to two hour period.Dennis
On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 5:46:28 PM EDT, Justin Drafts <draftsjust417
@gmail.com> wrote:
Ya, if anyone has good experiences with MMO, I'm def interested & open to
hear the positive reports... I can't say one way or another from personal e
xperience.J
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 2:33 PM William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
Can=99t hurt. I like wintergreen!It=99s like many things, every
body has an opinion.Thanks for the info.
On Jul 30, 2019, at 15:43, Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the many forums on engine maintenance.I
asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and radial-
engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than 20-weight
sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he meant there
is little value added by using it.Some may say it's great, I personally don
't plan to use it in my CJ6.
JustinN280NC
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve <motoadve@racsa.co.cr> wrote:
Some like it some say its a waste.
Never tried it.
Bought some, for the ones who use it.
How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel?
What are the benefits?
Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D
--------
www.Backcountry182.com
Cessna 182 P
CJ -6
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
Dennis
Great read about MMO. I drink an ounce a day myself and my hair is now
silky and much thicker.
But on a serious note.
The article said a pint 5 hours before and oil change.
That is in a cub that holds about 4 quarts. Should we put more in the M14P
?
At oil change I put in 2 quarts. Every 5 quart added I put in 8 ounces.
I add it to the fuel per your example.
I bore scoped my cylinders during the last inspection before I put the
plugs back.
Valve seats super clean.
I love the stuff.
Mark
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 8:09 PM A. Dennis Savarese <
dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Here's a good read about MMO use and benefits.
> https://www.pipercubforum.com/marvel.htm
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 7:39:28 PM EDT, A. Dennis Savarese <
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> Add 6 oz. per 15 gallons of fuel. Interpolate when topping off the fuel.
> It's printed right on the MMO container.
> Add 1 quart into the oil tank one to two hours before an oil change.
> Definitely fly the airplane for the one to two hour period.
> Dennis
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 5:46:28 PM EDT, Justin Drafts <
> draftsjust417@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ya, if anyone has good experiences with MMO, I'm def interested & open to
> hear the positive reports... I can't say one way or another from
> *personal* experience.
> J
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 2:33 PM William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Can=99t hurt. I like wintergreen!
> It=99s like many things, everybody has an opinion.
> Thanks for the info.
>
>
> On Jul 30, 2019, at 15:43, Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the *many* forums on engine
> maintenance.
> I asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and
> radial-engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than
> 20-weight sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he
> meant there is little value added by using it.
> Some may say it's great, I *personally* don't plan to use it in my CJ6.
>
> Justin
> N280NC
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve <motoadve@racsa.co.cr> wrote:
>
>
> Some like it some say its a waste.
> Never tried it.
>
> Bought some, for the ones who use it.
> How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel?
>
> What are the benefits?
> Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D
>
> --------
> www.Backcountry182.com <http://www.backcountry182.com/>
> Cessna 182 P
> CJ -6
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
Why Add 1 quart into the oil tank one to two hours before an oil change?
Then it will be drained.
So it will work for only a couple of hrs.
What am I missing here?
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
The general thought process is that adding it to the oil acts like a type of
solvent, cleaning any buildup off of various internals. So where does all
that bad stuff go? Into the oil. There it will be in suspension and could
indeed "settle out". Thus the premise of adding it to the oil, running the
engine hard for an hour or two, then while the oil is still hot, immediately
draining it all out and adding brand new clean oil. You're draining all
that bad crap out of the engine.
Doing this the first time with an engine that has lots and lots of hours on
it should be approached with caution. Kind of like adding High Thermal
Stability oil to a turbine for the first time.
Mark
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of motoadve
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 8:34 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Marvel Mystery oil
Why Add 1 quart into the oil tank one to two hours before an oil change?
Then it will be drained.
So it will work for only a couple of hrs.
What am I missing here?
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery oil |
I'll pull a little seniority here.=C2- I started flying when 15 (1955).
=C2- My dad an A&P and foreman at Eastern Airlines, brought my brother &
I a Luscomb 8a to build up our flying time.=C2- He used MMO. I've seen=C2
- every decent A&P I've run into in all those years used it.=C2- Stuck
valves being the primary reason.=C2- If somethings works and proven so ov
er the years, stay with it.=C2- I've several stuck valves in both Housi a
nd M-14p.=C2- MMO was my first and only needed answer.=C2- BTW next tim
e at Reno take a walk though the pits and see how much MMO you see there.Ji
m "Pappy" Goolsby
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From: mark bitterlich <markbitterlich@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 30, 2019 9:03 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil
Thankyou Dennis. Once again.
Mark0
-------- Original message --------From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812
@bellsouth.net> Date: 7/30/19 19:52 (GMT-05:00) To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil
With all due respect to the lecturer, that is pure unadulterated B.S. !!
Marvel Mystery Oil is a product of the Marvel Oil Company, founded by Burt
Pierce.[1] It is used as a fuel additive, oil additive, corrosion inhibitor
, penetrating oil, and transmission leak stopper and seal relubricator.It i
s composed primarily of petroleum distillates, including mineral oil (60-10
0%), mineral spirits {10-30%}, tricresyl phosphate (an antiwear and extreme
pressure additive in lubricants, 0.1-1.0%), ortho dichlorobenzene (a softe
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Whether you choose to use it or not, I can unequivocally say "it works"!=C2
- Search the Yak list and you'll find many, many people who have used it
and who now swear by it.Dennis
On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 4:48:08 PM EDT, Justin Drafts <draftsjust417
@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the many forums on engine maintenance.I
asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and radial
-engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than 20-weight
sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he meant there
is little value added by using it.Some may say it's great, I personally do
n't plan to use it in my CJ6.
JustinN280NC
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve <motoadve@racsa.co.cr> wrote:
Some like it some say its a waste.
Never tried it.
Bought some, for the ones who use it.
How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel?
What are the benefits?
Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D
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| Subject: | Re: longest pneumatic line |
Somewhat new to my CJ and loved reading the comments on all this. One thing I will
want to tackle in the future and I'm paying close attention to all the opinions.
BUT, I have to ask for my education into this, where does one obtain new
B-nuts. Is this something Doug sells or where do I get them?
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| Subject: | Re: longest pneumatic line |
Doug sells them and nice new ferrules as well.
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| Subject: | Re: longest pneumatic line |
All roads lead to Doug Sapp
Mark
N621CJ
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> thing I will want to tackle in the future and I'm paying close attention to
> all the opinions. BUT, I have to ask for my education into this, where does
> one obtain new B-nuts. Is this something Doug sells or where do I get them?
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