---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/30/19: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:15 AM - Re: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? (JM) 2. 01:32 AM - Re: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? (Richard Goode) 3. 01:12 PM - Marvel Mystery oil (motoadve) 4. 01:44 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Justin Drafts) 5. 02:25 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Larry Pine) 6. 02:27 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (William Geipel) 7. 02:34 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Jon Boede) 8. 02:41 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Byron Fox) 9. 02:44 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Justin Drafts) 10. 02:44 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (motoadve) 11. 03:06 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Larry Pine) 12. 03:23 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Ttail) 13. 04:22 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (mark bitterlich) 14. 04:32 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Colin Macdonald) 15. 04:37 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (A. Dennis Savarese) 16. 04:50 PM - Looking for USA Yak 55 or 55M (Marco Bouw) 17. 04:54 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (A. Dennis Savarese) 18. 05:04 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (A. Dennis Savarese) 19. 05:23 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Mark Pennington) 20. 05:34 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (motoadve) 21. 06:02 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (mark bitterlich) 22. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Mark Bitterlich) 23. 06:29 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery oil (\) 24. 08:24 PM - Re: longest pneumatic line (AlaskaChang801) 25. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: longest pneumatic line (Jon Boede) 26. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: longest pneumatic line (Mark Pennington) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:15:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? From: JM You can download the Aeroshell book on: https://www.shell.com/business-customers/aviation/aeroshell/knowledge-centr e/the-aeroshell-book/_jcr_content/par/textimage_1433441235.stream/1445039847 869/64a1a7d0fdadb6377a29d795dc9583e7c30e12b3/theaeroshellbook.pdf#page=1&zoo m=auto,581,149 It=99s all well explained in this book. BR, Jan From: on behalf of Jan Mevis Reply to: Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? Aeroshell does not recommend its W15W50 for radials. I tried to upload the whole powerpoint but the matronics-list refuses doing that. BR, Jan From: on behalf of Royden Heays Reply to: Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? Ladies & Gents Jill has on several occasions given her views on this list on the use of Ae roshell W100 vs Philips 25W60 in the M14P engines. She comes down on the side of Aeroshell with good reasons given. Try and se arch on the list to see her previous posts. That was before Shell launched the Plus version, which by all accounts now obviates the need for supplementing Aeroshell W100 with CamGuard. Jill=99s W100 recommendation extends to W80 and W120, depending on the seas on and your location. Jill, do you have anything to add or correct? Regards Royden From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? Hi Richard; You are quite likely referring here to automotive oils which are far too th in for use in any aircraft engine and, in any case, must never be used due t o the potential for pre-ignition in an air-cooled engine. As far as I=99m aware there are are only two companies producing an approve d aviation multi-grade oil (I=99m sure if there are more I will soon become aware!). They are Phillips with their X/C 20W50 and X/C 25W60 (Radial) petro leum based oil and Aeroshell with their semi-synthetic W15W50. I=99m sure if you go to the above companies websites you will find a descri ption of how a multi-grade works in service. It is not quite as you describ e. You are describing a non multi-grade oil which is far thinner when hot. Th e multi-grade is far thinner when cold (first viscosity number). With incr easing temperature the multi-grade does not get =9Cthicker=9D as some postul ate but will get thinner at a greatly reduced rate compared to a non multi o il with the result being the second viscosity number is reached at the opera ting temperature for both oils. If you could view this on a graph you would see the non multi viscosity reducing sharply with increasing temperature wh ile the multi-grade gets there in virtually a straight line. I believe the X/C 25W60 is a good choice for the M14P if you want the conve nience but no better than a seasonal change from 100 to 120 AD oils. With the exception of the above Aeroshell product I can pretty much guarant ee the leakage problem has little or nothing to do with the choice of oil. Best; Walt From: Richard Goode Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 5:58 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? We feel strongly that these engines are not designed for modern multigrade oils, and whatever the nominal viscosity might be, they are definitely far t hinner, particularly when hot, than mono-grade oils. And this definitely lea ds to oil leaks. Richard RICHARD GOODE AEROBATICS Rhodds Farm, Lyonshall, Hereford, HR5 3LW, UK Tel: +44 (0)1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0)1544 340129 e-mail: richard.goode@russianaeros.com www.russianaeros.com WORLD LEADERS IN RUSSIAN SPORTING AIRCRAFT & ENGINES In partnership with Aerometal Kft, Hungary. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of JEREMY KEYES Sent: 29 July 2019 12:48 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? We use the same Aeroshell 100 Plus in the CJ. After talking with a number o f folks we decided to make the switch and it=99s seems to well. I have notic ed less oil leaks as well but we also recently changed mechanics and did an extra through annual. On Jul 29, 2019, at 4:54 AM, "cjpilot710@aol.com" wrot e: I used Aeroshell 100 Plus year around in my M-14 with regular changes at 40 hours. Each time I used a multi-grade I got oil leaks. I found on opening my engine (top over hauls to zero overhauls) the inside looked and was fair ly clean. Might note though, with the exception of OSH trips, I flew mostly in the Florida skies. Plus most of the time I'd cruise at 1780 rpm and 26" manifold pressure. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby -----Original Message----- From: Walter Lannon Sent: Sun, Jul 28, 2019 9:29 pm Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? I see no problem with X/C 25W60 year round. That is the advantage of a multi-grade. Just stay to hell away from Aeroshell semi-synthetic W15W50. Walt -----Original Message----- From: Jon Boede Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? 25W50 in the winter, radial 120 in the summer. > On Jul 28, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Justin Drafts > wrote: > > Ok CJ6-ers, at least those of you with the Housai engines... > Which is your preferred oil, Phillips X/C 20W-50, or their 25W-60? > > (I've been using 20W-50 in Seattle w/o issues, but perhaps the 25W-60 is > better?) > > Thoughts, experiences? > > Justin > N280NC > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Virus-free. www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:24 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? Hello Walt, No, I'm very familiar with the differences between aviation and automotive oil. And I am only referring to aviation multigrade. My understanding from talking to Shell is that mono-grade oil does retain its viscosity at higher temperatures more than multigrade. Of course you have the relative disadvantage that it is thicker when cold, but unlike in automotive use aircraft are not making lots of cold starts; running for a bit and then stopping. So the advantages of a thin oil when cold or not so apparent. And separately, we have seen several examples of oil leaking from engines that have started to use multigrade, which then stops when they revert to monograde. Richard From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon Sent: 29 July 2019 19:47 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? Hi Richard; You are quite likely referring here to automotive oils which are far too thin for use in any aircraft engine and, in any case, must never be used due to the potential for pre-ignition in an air-cooled engine. As far as I=99m aware there are are only two companies producing an approved aviation multi-grade oil (I=99m sure if there are more I will soon become aware!). They are Phillips with their X/C 20W50 and X/C 25W60 (Radial) petroleum based oil and Aeroshell with their semi-synthetic W15W50. I=99m sure if you go to the above companies websites you will find a description of how a multi-grade works in service. It is not quite as you describe. You are describing a non multi-grade oil which is far thinner when hot. The multi-grade is far thinner when cold (first viscosity number). With increasing temperature the multi-grade does not get =9Cthicker=9D as some postulate but will get thinner at a greatly reduced rate compared to a non multi oil with the result being the second viscosity number is reached at the operating temperature for both oils. If you could view this on a graph you would see the non multi viscosity reducing sharply with increasing temperature while the multi-grade gets there in virtually a straight line. I believe the X/C 25W60 is a good choice for the M14P if you want the convenience but no better than a seasonal change from 100 to 120 AD oils. With the exception of the above Aeroshell product I can pretty much guarantee the leakage problem has little or nothing to do with the choice of oil. Best; Walt From: Richard Goode Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 5:58 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? We feel strongly that these engines are not designed for modern multigrade oils, and whatever the nominal viscosity might be, they are definitely far thinner, particularly when hot, than mono-grade oils. And this definitely leads to oil leaks. Richard RICHARD GOODE AEROBATICS Rhodds Farm, Lyonshall, Hereford, HR5 3LW, UK Tel: +44 (0)1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0)1544 340129 e-mail: richard.goode@russianaeros.com www.russianaeros.com WORLD LEADERS IN RUSSIAN SPORTING AIRCRAFT & ENGINES In partnership with Aerometal Kft, Hungary. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEREMY KEYES Sent: 29 July 2019 12:48 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? We use the same Aeroshell 100 Plus in the CJ. After talking with a number of folks we decided to make the switch and it=99s seems to well. I have noticed less oil leaks as well but we also recently changed mechanics and did an extra through annual. On Jul 29, 2019, at 4:54 AM, "cjpilot710@aol.com " > wrote: I used Aeroshell 100 Plus year around in my M-14 with regular changes at 40 hours. Each time I used a multi-grade I got oil leaks. I found on opening my engine (top over hauls to zero overhauls) the inside looked and was fairly clean. Might note though, with the exception of OSH trips, I flew mostly in the Florida skies. Plus most of the time I'd cruise at 1780 rpm and 26" manifold pressure. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby -----Original Message----- From: Walter Lannon > Sent: Sun, Jul 28, 2019 9:29 pm Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? > I see no problem with X/C 25W60 year round. That is the advantage of a multi-grade. Just stay to hell away from Aeroshell semi-synthetic W15W50. Walt -----Original Message----- From: Jon Boede Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: 25W-60 vs 20W-50 for the Housai? > 25W50 in the winter, radial 120 in the summer. > On Jul 28, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Justin Drafts > > wrote: > > Ok CJ6-ers, at least those of you with the Housai engines... > Which is your preferred oil, Phillips X/C 20W-50, or their 25W-60? > > (I've been using 20W-50 in Seattle w/o issues, but perhaps the 25W-60 is > better?) > > Thoughts, experiences? > > Justin > N280NC > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Virus-free. www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:37 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil From: "motoadve" Some like it some say its a waste. Never tried it. Bought some, for the ones who use it. How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel? What are the benefits? Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D -------- www.Backcountry182.com Cessna 182 P CJ -6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:58 PM PST US From: Justin Drafts Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the *many* forums on engine maintenance. I asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and radial-engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than 20-weight sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he meant there is little value added by using it. Some may say it's great, I *personally* don't plan to use it in my CJ6. Justin N280NC On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve wrote: > > Some like it some say its a waste. > Never tried it. > > Bought some, for the ones who use it. > How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel? > > What are the benefits? > Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D > > -------- > www.Backcountry182.com > Cessna 182 P > CJ -6 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:19 PM PST US From: Larry Pine Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil I use it all n both oil and gas. No valve or plug carbon issues. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 30, 2019, at 1:12 PM, motoadve wrote: > > > Some like it some say its a waste. > Never tried it. > > Bought some, for the ones who use it. > How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel? > > What are the benefits? > Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D > > -------- > www.Backcountry182.com > Cessna 182 P > CJ -6 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:51 PM PST US From: William Geipel Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil Can=99t hurt. I like wintergreen! It=99s like many things, everybody has an opinion. Thanks for the info. > On Jul 30, 2019, at 15:43, Justin Drafts wrote: > > Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the many forums on engine maintenance. > I asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and radial-engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than 20-weight sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he meant there is little value added by using it. > Some may say it's great, I personally don't plan to use it in my CJ6. > > Justin > N280NC > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve > wrote: > > > Some like it some say its a waste. > Never tried it. > > Bought some, for the ones who use it. > How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel? > > What are the benefits? > Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D > > -------- > www.Backcountry182.com > Cessna 182 P > CJ -6 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595 > > > > > > > ========== > List" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > errer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > <20190724_140409.jpg> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:16 PM PST US From: Jon Boede Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil Some say its a waste. Some say it cures cancer. I just want to know if anybodys ever tried it with Vodka. > On Jul 30, 2019, at 4:30 PM, Larry Pine wrote: > > > I use it all n both oil and gas. No valve or plug carbon issues. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 30, 2019, at 1:12 PM, motoadve wrote: >> >> >> Some like it some say its a waste. >> Never tried it. >> >> Bought some, for the ones who use it. >> How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel? >> >> What are the benefits? >> Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D >> >> -------- >> www.Backcountry182.com >> Cessna 182 P >> CJ -6 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:57 PM PST US From: Byron Fox Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil I=99m now a believer. > A few weeks back I wrote with a puzzling problem that I thought might be a sticky valve. > > Dennis Savarese offered the following: > > =9CAdd a quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to the oil and go fly the airpl ane for an hour or two.?? The MMO tends to clean the valve stems and valve g uides of the varnish buildup that causes valve(s) to stick. Even a couple of quarts won't hurt it. Absolutely solved the problem. I understand that one should add 4oz per 10 gallons of fuel, but I don =99t know the appropriate MMO to oil dosage. Arbitrarily, I added a half qua rt when I just changed the oil. I=99m positive that someone else will p op up with the right answer. Blitz Fox 415-307-2405 > On Jul 30, 2019, at 1:12 PM, motoadve wrote: > > > Some like it some say its a waste. > Never tried it. > > Bought some, for the ones who use it. > How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel? > > What are the benefits? > Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D > > -------- > www.Backcountry182.com > Cessna 182 P > CJ -6 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595 > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:37 PM PST US From: Justin Drafts Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil Ya, if anyone has good experiences with MMO, I'm def interested & open to hear the positive reports... I can't say one way or another from *personal* experience. J On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 2:33 PM William Geipel wrote: > Can=99t hurt. I like wintergreen! > It=99s like many things, everybody has an opinion. > Thanks for the info. > > > On Jul 30, 2019, at 15:43, Justin Drafts wrote: > > Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the *many* forums on engine > maintenance. > I asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and > radial-engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than > 20-weight sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he > meant there is little value added by using it. > Some may say it's great, I *personally* don't plan to use it in my CJ6. > > Justin > N280NC > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve wrote: > >> >> Some like it some say its a waste. >> Never tried it. >> >> Bought some, for the ones who use it. >> How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel? >> >> What are the benefits? >> Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D >> >> -------- >> www.Backcountry182.com >> Cessna 182 P >> CJ -6 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> List" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> WIKI - >> errer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> <20190724_140409.jpg> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:57 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Marvel Mystery oil From: "motoadve" threein60 wrote: > I use it all n both oil and gas. No valve or plug carbon issues. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jul 30, 2019, at 1:12 PM, motoadve wrote: > > > > > > > > Some like it some say its a waste. > > Never tried it. > > > > Bought some, for the ones who use it. > > How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel? > > > > What are the benefits? > > Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D > > > > -------- > > www.Backcountry182.com > > Cessna 182 P > > CJ -6 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How much Mistery oil you put on your fuel and how much on your oil? -------- www.Backcountry182.com Cessna 182 P CJ -6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490601#490601 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:42 PM PST US From: Larry Pine Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil I believe Jill from M14 said in the past that she has not experienced carbon issues with values with M14p that use mmo and multi grade. I trust Jill. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 30, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jon Boede wrote: > > > Some say its a waste. Some say it cures cancer. > > I just want to know if anybodys ever tried it with Vodka. > >> On Jul 30, 2019, at 4:30 PM, Larry Pine wrote: >> >> >> I use it all n both oil and gas. No valve or plug carbon issues. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 30, 2019, at 1:12 PM, motoadve wrote: >>> >>> >>> Some like it some say its a waste. >>> Never tried it. >>> >>> Bought some, for the ones who use it. >>> How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel? >>> >>> What are the benefits? >>> Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D >>> >>> -------- >>> www.Backcountry182.com >>> Cessna 182 P >>> CJ -6 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:21 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Marvel Mystery oil From: "Ttail" In the Fuel 3ml MMO to 1 Ltr 100LL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490605#490605 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil From: mark bitterlich SW4gdGhlIGZpcnN0IDIwMCBob3VycyBvZiBvcGVyYXRpbmcgYW4gTS0xNFAsIEkgaGFkIHRocmVl IGN5bGluZGVyIHB1bGxzIGR1ZSB0byBleGhhdXN0IHZhbHZlIGxlYWQgZGVwb3NpdHMuIFN0YXJ0 ZWQgdXNpbmcgTU1PIGFzIG11Y2ggYXMgMS8yIHF1YXJ0IHBlciAzMCBnYWxsb25zLiBJZGxlIHdh cyBpbW1lZGlhdGVseSBzbW9vdGhlciwgbm8gbGVhZCBvbiB2YWx2ZXMgZm9yIHRoZSBmb2xsb3dp bmcgNjAwIGhvdXJzLiBUaGF0IGJlaW5nIHNhaWQsIG9uZSBvZiB0aGUgcmVhbCBjb250cmlidXRv cnMgdG8gZXhoYXVzdCB2YWx2ZSBsZWFkaW5nIGlzIGxvdyBSUE0gY29tYmluZWQgd2l0aCBsb3cg Y3lsaW5kZXIgaGVhZCB0ZW1wcy4gTS0xNCdzIGFyZSB2ZXJ5IGhhcHB5IHRvIHJ1biBmYWlybHkg aGFyZCB3aXRoIENIVCBpbiByYW5nZSBhbmQgbm90IGxvdy7CoCBNeSBleHBlcmllbmNlIG92ZXIg dGhlIGxhc3QgMjAgeWVhcnMgb3Igc28uIFRvIGVhY2ggdGhlaXIgb3duIG9mIGNvdXJzZSBidXQg aW4gYWxsIHRoZSBsb25nIGhpc3Rvcnkgb2YgTU1PIGRpc2N1c3Npb25zLCBtYW55IHNheSBpdCB3 b3JrcywgbWFueSBzYXkgaXQgZG9lc24ndCAoY3VyaW91cyBob3cgdGhhdCB3YXMgZGV0ZXJtaW5l ZCkgYnV0IG5vIG9uZSBoYXMgRVZFUiBzYWlkIHRoYXQgaXQgaHVydCB0aGVpciBlbmdpbmUuIFNv IHBlcnNvbmFsbHksIEkgdXNlIGl0IHJlbGlnaW91c2x5LsKgTWFyawotLS0tLS0tLSBPcmlnaW5h bCBtZXNzYWdlIC0tLS0tLS0tRnJvbTogSnVzdGluIERyYWZ0cyA8ZHJhZnRzanVzdDQxN0BnbWFp bC5jb20+IERhdGU6IDcvMzAvMTkgIDE2OjQzICAoR01ULTA1OjAwKSBUbzogeWFrLWxpc3RAbWF0 cm9uaWNzLmNvbSBTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogWWFrLUxpc3Q6IE1hcnZlbCBNeXN0ZXJ5IG9pbCBIZXkg c28sIGp1c3QgYmFjayBmcm9tIE9zaGtvc2ggYW5kIHRoZSBtYW55IGZvcnVtcyBvbiBlbmdpbmUg bWFpbnRlbmFuY2UuSSBhc2tlZCB0aGUgdmVyeSBzYW1lIHF1ZXN0aW9uIG9mIG9uZSBlbmdpbmUg bWFpbnRlbmFuY2UgbGVjdHVyZXIgYW5kIHJhZGlhbC1lbmdpbmUgb3duZXIgKHNlZSBwaWMpOyBo ZSByZXBsaWVkIHRoYXQgTU1PIGlzIG5vdGhpbmcgbW9yZSB0aGFuIDIwLXdlaWdodCBzZXdpbmcg bWFjaGluZSBvaWwgd2l0aCB3aW50ZXJncmVlbiBmcmFncmFuY2UgYWRkZWQuIEhlbmNlLCBoZSBt ZWFudCB0aGVyZSBpcyBsaXR0bGUgdmFsdWUgYWRkZWQgYnkgdXNpbmcgaXQuU29tZSBtYXkgc2F5 IGl0J3MgZ3JlYXQsIEkgcGVyc29uYWxseSBkb24ndCBwbGFuIHRvIHVzZSBpdCBpbiBteSBDSjYu SnVzdGluTjI4ME5DT24gVHVlLCBKdWwgMzAsIDIwMTksIDE6MTkgUE0gbW90b2FkdmUgPG1vdG9h ZHZlQHJhY3NhLmNvLmNyPiB3cm90ZTotLT4gWWFrLUxpc3QgbWVzc2FnZSBwb3N0ZWQgYnk6ICJt b3RvYWR2ZSIgPG1vdG9hZHZlQHJhY3NhLmNvLmNyPgoKU29tZSBsaWtlIGl0IHNvbWUgc2F5IGl0 cyBhIHdhc3RlLgpOZXZlciB0cmllZCBpdC4KCkJvdWdodCBzb21lLCBmb3IgdGhlIG9uZXMgd2hv IHVzZSBpdC4KSG93IG11Y2ggdG8gcHV0IGluIHRoZSBvaWwsIGhvdyBtdWNoIHRvIHB1dCBpbiB0 aGUgZnVlbD8KCldoYXQgYXJlIHRoZSBiZW5lZml0cz8KQ29ucz8gQXBhcnQgZnJvbSBtb25leSB3 YXN0ZWQ/IDpECgotLS0tLS0tLQp3d3cuQmFja2NvdW50cnkxODIuY29tCkNlc3NuYSAxODIgUApD SiAtNgoKCgoKUmVhZCB0aGlzIHRvcGljIG9ubGluZSBoZXJlOgoKaHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRy b25pY3MuY29tL3ZpZXd0b3BpYy5waHA/cD00OTA1OTUjNDkwNTk1CgoKCgoKCj09PT09PT09PT09 Ckxpc3QiIHJlbD0ibm9yZWZlcnJlciBub3JlZmVycmVyIiB0YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFuayI+aHR0cDov L3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL05hdmlnYXRvcj9ZYWstTGlzdAo9PT09PT09PT09PQogRk9SVU1T IC0KZWZlcnJlciBub3JlZmVycmVyIiB0YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFuayI+aHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRy b25pY3MuY29tCj09PT09PT09PT09CldJS0kgLQplcnJlciBub3JlZmVycmVyIiB0YXJnZXQ9Il9i bGFuayI+aHR0cDovL3dpa2kubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQo9PT09PT09PT09PQpiIFNpdGUgLQrCoCDC oCDCoCDCoCDCoCAtTWF0dCBEcmFsbGUsIExpc3QgQWRtaW4uCnJlbD0ibm9yZWZlcnJlciBub3Jl ZmVycmVyIiB0YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFuayI+aHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2NvbnRyaWJ1 dGlvbgo9PT09PT09PT09PQoKCgoK ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:23 PM PST US From: Colin Macdonald Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil And our Housai does run like a sewing machine Colin A. Macdonald 707-291-2878 > On Jul 30, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jon Boede wrote: > > > Some say its a waste. Some say it cures cancer. > > I just want to know if anybodys ever tried it with Vodka. > >> On Jul 30, 2019, at 4:30 PM, Larry Pine wrote: >> >> >> I use it all n both oil and gas. No valve or plug carbon issues. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 30, 2019, at 1:12 PM, motoadve wrote: >>> >>> >>> Some like it some say its a waste. >>> Never tried it. >>> >>> Bought some, for the ones who use it. >>> How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel? >>> >>> What are the benefits? >>> Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D >>> >>> -------- >>> www.Backcountry182.com >>> Cessna 182 P >>> CJ -6 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:32 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil Add 6 oz. per 15 gallons of fuel.=C2- Interpolate when topping off the f uel.=C2- It's printed right on the MMO container. Add 1 quart into the oil tank one to two hours before an oil change.=C2- Definitely fly the airplane for the one to two hour period.Dennis On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 5:46:28 PM EDT, Justin Drafts wrote: Ya, if anyone has good experiences with MMO, I'm def interested & open to hear the positive reports... I can't say one way or another from personal e xperience.J On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 2:33 PM William Geipel wrote: Can=99t hurt. I like wintergreen!It=99s like many things, every body has an opinion.Thanks for the info. On Jul 30, 2019, at 15:43, Justin Drafts wrote: Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the many forums on engine maintenance.I asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and radial- engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than 20-weight sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he meant there is little value added by using it.Some may say it's great, I personally don 't plan to use it in my CJ6. JustinN280NC On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve wrote: Some like it some say its a waste. Never tried it. Bought some, for the ones who use it. How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel? What are the benefits? Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D -------- www.Backcountry182.com Cessna 182 P CJ -6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595 List" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Yak-List FORUMS - eferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com WIKI - errer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com b Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution <20190724_140409.jpg> ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:38 PM PST US From: Marco Bouw Subject: Yak-List: Looking for USA Yak 55 or 55M Hello all, just joined the email group. I am currently looking with a Yak 55 or 55M. Looking for aircrafts located in the USA only. There is the the possibility of a wonderfully maintained yak 52 (by Hubie Tolson) for trade if interested. Feel free to contact me through email with any pictures and details or at 1-252-675-8987. Thanks! Best regards, Marco Bouw ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:55 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil With all due respect to the lecturer, that is pure unadulterated B.S. !! Marvel Mystery Oil is a product of the Marvel Oil Company, founded by Burt Pierce.[1] It is used as a fuel additive, oil additive, corrosion inhibitor , penetrating oil, and transmission leak stopper and seal relubricator. It is composed primarily of petroleum distillates, including mineral oil (6 0-100%), mineral spirits {10-30%}, tricresyl phosphate (an antiwear and ext reme pressure additive in lubricants, 0.1-1.0%), ortho dichlorobenzene (a s oftening and removing agent for carbon-based contamination on metal surface s, 0.1-1.0%), and para dichlorobenzene (a precursor used in the production of chemically and thermally resistant polymers, <0.1%). | | | | 1,4-Dichlorobenzene 1,4-Dichlorobenzene (1,4-DCB, p-DCB, or para-dichlorobenzene, sometimes abb reviated as PDB or para) is an organi... | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Extreme pressure additive Extreme pressure additives are usually used in applications such as gearbox es, while antiwear additives are used... | | | | | | | Antiwear additive EP additives are used in applications such as gearboxes, while AW additives are used with lighter loads such as ... | | | Whether you choose to use it or not, I can unequivocally say "it works"!=C2 - Search the Yak list and you'll find many, many people who have used it and who now swear by it.Dennis On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 4:48:08 PM EDT, Justin Drafts wrote: Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the many forums on engine maintenance.I asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and radial -engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than 20-weight sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he meant there is little value added by using it.Some may say it's great, I personally do n't plan to use it in my CJ6. JustinN280NC On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve wrote: Some like it some say its a waste. Never tried it. Bought some, for the ones who use it. How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel? What are the benefits? Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D -------- www.Backcountry182.com Cessna 182 P CJ -6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595 List" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Yak-List FORUMS - eferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com WIKI - errer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com b Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:26 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil Here's a good read about MMO use and benefits.https://www.pipercubforum.co m/marvel.htm Dennis On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 7:39:28 PM EDT, A. Dennis Savarese wrote: Add 6 oz. per 15 gallons of fuel.=C2- Interpolate when topping off the fuel.=C2- It's printed right on the MMO container. Add 1 quart into the oil tank one to two hours before an oil change.=C2- Definitely fly the airplane for the one to two hour period.Dennis On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 5:46:28 PM EDT, Justin Drafts wrote: Ya, if anyone has good experiences with MMO, I'm def interested & open to hear the positive reports... I can't say one way or another from personal e xperience.J On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 2:33 PM William Geipel wrote: Can=99t hurt. I like wintergreen!It=99s like many things, every body has an opinion.Thanks for the info. On Jul 30, 2019, at 15:43, Justin Drafts wrote: Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the many forums on engine maintenance.I asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and radial- engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than 20-weight sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he meant there is little value added by using it.Some may say it's great, I personally don 't plan to use it in my CJ6. JustinN280NC On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve wrote: Some like it some say its a waste. Never tried it. Bought some, for the ones who use it. How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel? What are the benefits? Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D -------- www.Backcountry182.com Cessna 182 P CJ -6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595 List" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Yak-List FORUMS - eferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com WIKI - errer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com b Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution <20190724_140409.jpg> ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:38 PM PST US From: Mark Pennington Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil Dennis Great read about MMO. I drink an ounce a day myself and my hair is now silky and much thicker. But on a serious note. The article said a pint 5 hours before and oil change. That is in a cub that holds about 4 quarts. Should we put more in the M14P ? At oil change I put in 2 quarts. Every 5 quart added I put in 8 ounces. I add it to the fuel per your example. I bore scoped my cylinders during the last inspection before I put the plugs back. Valve seats super clean. I love the stuff. Mark On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 8:09 PM A. Dennis Savarese < dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Here's a good read about MMO use and benefits. > https://www.pipercubforum.com/marvel.htm > > Dennis > > > On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 7:39:28 PM EDT, A. Dennis Savarese < > dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > Add 6 oz. per 15 gallons of fuel. Interpolate when topping off the fuel. > It's printed right on the MMO container. > Add 1 quart into the oil tank one to two hours before an oil change. > Definitely fly the airplane for the one to two hour period. > Dennis > > > On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 5:46:28 PM EDT, Justin Drafts < > draftsjust417@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Ya, if anyone has good experiences with MMO, I'm def interested & open to > hear the positive reports... I can't say one way or another from > *personal* experience. > J > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 2:33 PM William Geipel wrote: > > Can=99t hurt. I like wintergreen! > It=99s like many things, everybody has an opinion. > Thanks for the info. > > > On Jul 30, 2019, at 15:43, Justin Drafts wrote: > > Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the *many* forums on engine > maintenance. > I asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and > radial-engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than > 20-weight sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he > meant there is little value added by using it. > Some may say it's great, I *personally* don't plan to use it in my CJ6. > > Justin > N280NC > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve wrote: > > > Some like it some say its a waste. > Never tried it. > > Bought some, for the ones who use it. > How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel? > > What are the benefits? > Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D > > -------- > www.Backcountry182.com > Cessna 182 P > CJ -6 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595 > > > ========== > List" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > errer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > <20190724_140409.jpg> > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:26 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Marvel Mystery oil From: "motoadve" Why Add 1 quart into the oil tank one to two hours before an oil change? Then it will be drained. So it will work for only a couple of hrs. What am I missing here? -------- www.Backcountry182.com Cessna 182 P CJ -6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490613#490613 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil From: mark bitterlich VGhhbmt5b3UgRGVubmlzLiBPbmNlIGFnYWluLk1hcmswCi0tLS0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIG1lc3Nh Z2UgLS0tLS0tLS1Gcm9tOiAiQS4gRGVubmlzIFNhdmFyZXNlIiA8ZHNhdmFyZXNlMDgxMkBiZWxs c291dGgubmV0PiBEYXRlOiA3LzMwLzE5ICAxOTo1MiAgKEdNVC0wNTowMCkgVG86IHlhay1saXN0 QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20gU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFlhay1MaXN0OiBNYXJ2ZWwgTXlzdGVyeSBvaWwg CiAgICAgICAgV2l0aCBhbGwgZHVlIHJlc3BlY3QgdG8gdGhlIGxlY3R1cmVyLCB0aGF0IGlzIHB1 cmUgdW5hZHVsdGVyYXRlZCBCLlMuICEhIE1hcnZlbCBNeXN0ZXJ5IE9pbCBpcyBhIHByb2R1Y3Qg b2YgdGhlIE1hcnZlbCBPaWwgQ29tcGFueSwgZm91bmRlZCBieSBCdXJ0IFBpZXJjZS5bMV0gSXQg aXMgdXNlZCBhcyBhIGZ1ZWwgYWRkaXRpdmUsIG9pbCBhZGRpdGl2ZSwgY29ycm9zaW9uIGluaGli aXRvciwgcGVuZXRyYXRpbmcgb2lsLCBhbmQgdHJhbnNtaXNzaW9uIGxlYWsgc3RvcHBlciBhbmQg c2VhbCByZWx1YnJpY2F0b3IuCkl0IGlzIGNvbXBvc2VkIHByaW1hcmlseSBvZiBwZXRyb2xldW0g ZGlzdGlsbGF0ZXMsIGluY2x1ZGluZyBtaW5lcmFsIG9pbCAoNjAtMTAwJSksIG1pbmVyYWwgc3Bp cml0cyB7MTAtMzAlfSwgdHJpY3Jlc3lsIHBob3NwaGF0ZSAoYW4gYW50aXdlYXIgYW5kIGV4dHJl bWUgcHJlc3N1cmUgYWRkaXRpdmUgaW4gbHVicmljYW50cywgMC4xLTEuMCUpLCBvcnRobyBkaWNo bG9yb2JlbnplbmUgKGEgc29mdGVuaW5nIGFuZCByZW1vdmluZyBhZ2VudCBmb3IgY2FyYm9uLWJh c2VkIGNvbnRhbWluYXRpb24gb24gbWV0YWwgc3VyZmFjZXMsICAwLjEtMS4wJSksIGFuZCBwYXJh IGRpY2hsb3JvYmVuemVuZSAoYSBwcmVjdXJzb3IgdXNlZCBpbiB0aGUgcHJvZHVjdGlvbiBvZiBj aGVtaWNhbGx5IGFuZCB0aGVybWFsbHkgcmVzaXN0YW50IHBvbHltZXJzLCA8MC4xJSkuIDEsNC1E aWNobG9yb2JlbnplbmUxLDQtRGljaGxvcm9iZW56ZW5lICgxLDQtRENCLCBwLURDQiwgb3IgcGFy YS1kaWNobG9yb2JlbnplbmUsIHNvbWV0aW1lcyBhYmJyZXZpYXRlZCBhcyBQREIgb3IgcGFyYSkg aXMgYW4gb3JnYW5pLi4uRXh0cmVtZSBwcmVzc3VyZSBhZGRpdGl2ZUV4dHJlbWUgcHJlc3N1cmUg YWRkaXRpdmVzIGFyZSB1c3VhbGx5IHVzZWQgaW4gYXBwbGljYXRpb25zIHN1Y2ggYXMgZ2VhcmJv eGVzLCB3aGlsZSBhbnRpd2VhciBhZGRpdGl2ZXMgYXJlIHVzZWQuLi5BbnRpd2VhciBhZGRpdGl2 ZUVQIGFkZGl0aXZlcyBhcmUgdXNlZCBpbiBhcHBsaWNhdGlvbnMgc3VjaCBhcyBnZWFyYm94ZXMs IHdoaWxlIEFXIGFkZGl0aXZlcyBhcmUgdXNlZCB3aXRoIGxpZ2h0ZXIgbG9hZHMgc3VjaCBhcyAu Li5XaGV0aGVyIHlvdSBjaG9vc2UgdG8gdXNlIGl0IG9yIG5vdCwgSSBjYW4gdW5lcXVpdm9jYWxs eSBzYXkgIml0IHdvcmtzIiHCoCBTZWFyY2ggdGhlIFlhayBsaXN0IGFuZCB5b3UnbGwgZmluZCBt YW55LCBtYW55IHBlb3BsZSB3aG8gaGF2ZSB1c2VkIGl0IGFuZCB3aG8gbm93IHN3ZWFyIGJ5IGl0 LkRlbm5pcwogICAgICAgIAogICAgICAgIAogICAgICAgICAgICAKICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIAog ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgT24gVHVlc2RheSwgSnVseSAzMCwg MjAxOSwgNDo0ODowOCBQTSBFRFQsIEp1c3RpbiBEcmFmdHMgPGRyYWZ0c2p1c3Q0MTdAZ21haWwu Y29tPiB3cm90ZToKICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIAogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgCiAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAKICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIEhleSBzbywganVzdCBiYWNrIGZyb20gT3Noa29zaCBhbmQg dGhlIG1hbnkgZm9ydW1zIG9uIGVuZ2luZSBtYWludGVuYW5jZS5JIGFza2VkIHRoZSB2ZXJ5IHNh bWUgcXVlc3Rpb24gb2Ygb25lIGVuZ2luZSBtYWludGVuYW5jZSBsZWN0dXJlciBhbmQgcmFkaWFs LWVuZ2luZSBvd25lciAoc2VlIHBpYyk7IGhlIHJlcGxpZWQgdGhhdCBNTU8gaXMgbm90aGluZyBt b3JlIHRoYW4gMjAtd2VpZ2h0IHNld2luZyBtYWNoaW5lIG9pbCB3aXRoIHdpbnRlcmdyZWVuIGZy YWdyYW5jZSBhZGRlZC4gSGVuY2UsIGhlIG1lYW50IHRoZXJlIGlzIGxpdHRsZSB2YWx1ZSBhZGRl ZCBieSB1c2luZyBpdC5Tb21lIG1heSBzYXkgaXQncyBncmVhdCwgSSBwZXJzb25hbGx5IGRvbid0 IHBsYW4gdG8gdXNlIGl0IGluIG15IENKNi5KdXN0aW5OMjgwTkNPbiBUdWUsIEp1bCAzMCwgMjAx OSwgMToxOSBQTSBtb3RvYWR2ZSA8bW90b2FkdmVAcmFjc2EuY28uY3I+IHdyb3RlOi0tPiBZYWst TGlzdCBtZXNzYWdlIHBvc3RlZCBieTogIm1vdG9hZHZlIiA8bW90b2FkdmVAcmFjc2EuY28uY3I+ CgpTb21lIGxpa2UgaXQgc29tZSBzYXkgaXRzIGEgd2FzdGUuCk5ldmVyIHRyaWVkIGl0LgoKQm91 Z2h0IHNvbWUsIGZvciB0aGUgb25lcyB3aG8gdXNlIGl0LgpIb3cgbXVjaCB0byBwdXQgaW4gdGhl IG9pbCwgaG93IG11Y2ggdG8gcHV0IGluIHRoZSBmdWVsPwoKV2hhdCBhcmUgdGhlIGJlbmVmaXRz PwpDb25zPyBBcGFydCBmcm9tIG1vbmV5IHdhc3RlZD8gOkQKCi0tLS0tLS0tCnd3dy5CYWNrY291 bnRyeTE4Mi5jb20KQ2Vzc25hIDE4MiBQCkNKIC02CgoKCgpSZWFkIHRoaXMgdG9waWMgb25saW5l IGhlcmU6CgpodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vdmlld3RvcGljLnBocD9wPTQ5MDU5 NSM0OTA1OTUKCgoKCgoKPT09PT09PT09PT0KTGlzdCIgcmVsPSJub3JlZmVycmVyIG5vcmVmZXJy ZXIiIHRhcmdldD0iX2JsYW5rIj5odHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vTmF2aWdhdG9yP1lh ay1MaXN0Cj09PT09PT09PT09CiBGT1JVTVMgLQplZmVycmVyIG5vcmVmZXJyZXIiIHRhcmdldD0i X2JsYW5rIj5odHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20KPT09PT09PT09PT0KV0lLSSAtCmVy cmVyIG5vcmVmZXJyZXIiIHRhcmdldD0iX2JsYW5rIj5odHRwOi8vd2lraS5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29t Cj09PT09PT09PT09CmIgU2l0ZSAtCsKgIMKgIMKgIMKgIMKgIC1NYXR0IERyYWxsZSwgTGlzdCBB ZG1pbi4KcmVsPSJub3JlZmVycmVyIG5vcmVmZXJyZXIiIHRhcmdldD0iX2JsYW5rIj5odHRwOi8v d3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vY29udHJpYnV0aW9uCj09PT09PT09PT09CgoKCgogICAgICAgICAg ICAKICAgICAgICA ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:40 PM PST US From: "Mark Bitterlich" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Marvel Mystery oil The general thought process is that adding it to the oil acts like a type of solvent, cleaning any buildup off of various internals. So where does all that bad stuff go? Into the oil. There it will be in suspension and could indeed "settle out". Thus the premise of adding it to the oil, running the engine hard for an hour or two, then while the oil is still hot, immediately draining it all out and adding brand new clean oil. You're draining all that bad crap out of the engine. Doing this the first time with an engine that has lots and lots of hours on it should be approached with caution. Kind of like adding High Thermal Stability oil to a turbine for the first time. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of motoadve Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 8:34 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Marvel Mystery oil Why Add 1 quart into the oil tank one to two hours before an oil change? Then it will be drained. So it will work for only a couple of hrs. What am I missing here? -------- www.Backcountry182.com Cessna 182 P CJ -6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490613#490613 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:31 PM PST US From: "\"" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil I'll pull a little seniority here.=C2- I started flying when 15 (1955). =C2- My dad an A&P and foreman at Eastern Airlines, brought my brother & I a Luscomb 8a to build up our flying time.=C2- He used MMO. I've seen=C2 - every decent A&P I've run into in all those years used it.=C2- Stuck valves being the primary reason.=C2- If somethings works and proven so ov er the years, stay with it.=C2- I've several stuck valves in both Housi a nd M-14p.=C2- MMO was my first and only needed answer.=C2- BTW next tim e at Reno take a walk though the pits and see how much MMO you see there.Ji m "Pappy" Goolsby -----Original Message----- From: mark bitterlich Sent: Tue, Jul 30, 2019 9:03 pm Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil Thankyou Dennis. Once again. Mark0 -------- Original message --------From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Date: 7/30/19 19:52 (GMT-05:00) To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery oil With all due respect to the lecturer, that is pure unadulterated B.S. !! Marvel Mystery Oil is a product of the Marvel Oil Company, founded by Burt Pierce.[1] It is used as a fuel additive, oil additive, corrosion inhibitor , penetrating oil, and transmission leak stopper and seal relubricator.It i s composed primarily of petroleum distillates, including mineral oil (60-10 0%), mineral spirits {10-30%}, tricresyl phosphate (an antiwear and extreme pressure additive in lubricants, 0.1-1.0%), ortho dichlorobenzene (a softe ning and removing agent for carbon-based contamination on metal surfaces, 0 .1-1.0%), and para dichlorobenzene (a precursor used in the production of c hemically and thermally resistant polymers, <0.1%). | | | | 1,4-Dichlorobenzene 1,4-Dichlorobenzene (1,4-DCB, p-DCB, or para-dichlorobenzene, sometimes abb reviated as PDB or para) is an organi... | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Extreme pressure additive Extreme pressure additives are usually used in applications such as gearbox es, while antiwear additives are used... | | | | | | | Antiwear additive EP additives are used in applications such as gearboxes, while AW additives are used with lighter loads such as ... | | | Whether you choose to use it or not, I can unequivocally say "it works"!=C2 - Search the Yak list and you'll find many, many people who have used it and who now swear by it.Dennis On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 4:48:08 PM EDT, Justin Drafts wrote: Hey so, just back from Oshkosh and the many forums on engine maintenance.I asked the very same question of one engine maintenance lecturer and radial -engine owner (see pic); he replied that MMO is nothing more than 20-weight sewing machine oil with wintergreen fragrance added. Hence, he meant there is little value added by using it.Some may say it's great, I personally do n't plan to use it in my CJ6. JustinN280NC On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 1:19 PM motoadve wrote: Some like it some say its a waste. Never tried it. Bought some, for the ones who use it. How much to put in the oil, how much to put in the fuel? What are the benefits? Cons? Apart from money wasted? :D -------- www.Backcountry182.com Cessna 182 P CJ -6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490595#490595 List" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Yak-List FORUMS - eferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com WIKI - errer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com b Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:00 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: longest pneumatic line From: "AlaskaChang801" Somewhat new to my CJ and loved reading the comments on all this. One thing I will want to tackle in the future and I'm paying close attention to all the opinions. BUT, I have to ask for my education into this, where does one obtain new B-nuts. Is this something Doug sells or where do I get them? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490617#490617 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:13 PM PST US From: Jon Boede Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: longest pneumatic line Doug sells them and nice new ferrules as well. > On Jul 30, 2019, at 10:28 PM, AlaskaChang801 wrote: > > > Somewhat new to my CJ and loved reading the comments on all this. One thing I will want to tackle in the future and I'm paying close attention to all the opinions. BUT, I have to ask for my education into this, where does one obtain new B-nuts. Is this something Doug sells or where do I get them? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490617#490617 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:18 PM PST US From: Mark Pennington Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: longest pneumatic line All roads lead to Doug Sapp Mark N621CJ On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 11:28 PM AlaskaChang801 wrote: > > Somewhat new to my CJ and loved reading the comments on all this. One > thing I will want to tackle in the future and I'm paying close attention to > all the opinions. BUT, I have to ask for my education into this, where does > one obtain new B-nuts. Is this something Doug sells or where do I get them? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490617#490617 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.