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1. 05:10 AM - Re: Re: START IGNIT CB (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: START IGNIT CB (George Coy)
3. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: START IGNIT CB (Mark Bitterlich)
4. 12:12 PM - Cabin Heater diagram for CJ6? (motoadve)
5. 01:26 PM - Re: Cabin Heater diagram for CJ6? (Mark Pennington)
6. 03:18 PM - Re: Cabin Heater diagram for CJ6? (motoadve)
7. 05:09 PM - Test (Ttail)
8. 08:05 PM - Re: Test (Walter Lannon)
9. 08:22 PM - Re: Test (Pete George)
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| Subject: | Re: START IGNIT CB |
Good idea.=C2- If he persists, I'm going to send an email to Matt Draill
e and ask him to block this a-hole from any of the Matronics lists.
On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 10:40:22 PM EDT, Mark Bitterlich <markbitt
erlich@embarqmail.com> wrote:
il.com>
I'm going to make pubic a feeling I have regarding this gent.=C2-
Anyone who refuses to give their name on the Yak List should be totally ign
ored.=C2- =C2-
Enough is enough.=C2- This gent is a troll, and should be treated as such
.=C2- He takes pleasure in stirring up bad feelings.=C2- There have bee
n many arguments and debates on the Yak List, and I personally have been in
volved in more than one, but I never did it while refusing to identify myse
lf and neither has anyone else I can remember, right/wrong/indifferent.=C2
-
Mark
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of dbflr
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 8:25 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: START IGNIT CB
>>>FACT- The Russians never did it. It was aN afterthought creation of the
Aerostar factory back in 2000 when they decided to build the Yak52TW, which
was essentially a US design to begin with.
did what ? go figure !=C2- added electric start ?=C2- did i imply they
did ???
>>>People were having difficulty starting the TW=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s w
ith PF engines with -35 mags. They were trying to start them like a stock 5
2 with M9F mags. That didn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t work.=C2- Once they f
igured out how to properly start the engine with -35 mags, the p-lead boost
er was irrelevant.
yes, i'm intrigued. so since 70's russians were starting these engines wit
h -35 mags "improperly" ? and in 2000 someone figured out how to do it "pro
perly" thereby external
ignition exciter is not needed ? so, there's no such unit on 52TW since it'
s no longer needed ?=C2-
i'm just trying to figure out what exactly your cryptic message says.=C2-
any reference to
or a description of this "proper" start procedure ?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495897#495897
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| Subject: | Re: START IGNIT CB |
Good Morning from a beautiful sunny day here in Vermont where we are all self-isolated.
I concur with Mark about ignoring people who refuse to sign their name to their
posts.
I pretty much have been ignoring this whole conversation. I do however wish to
correct a statement that Denis made.
The electric start was an innovation that Motorstar in Romania made at my request.
We were selling new and overhauled M14P engines into the homebuilt market.
It occurred to me that there was little sense in homebuilders making an entire
air system that was only used for starting the engine when they already had
an electrical system. I bought a starter from my friend Bill Bainbridge at B&C
and sent it to the Motorstar factory. They developed the electric start system.
About the same time I had bought a large quantity of new old stock M9V-26 helicopter
engines and sent them to the Motorstar factory for parts. That was the
source for the M9-35 magnetos.
With the relatively low compression ratio of the M14 engines, the electric start
was able to turn the engine over as several hundred RPM. We recommended the
starting procedure used for the AI 14 engines that had the M9-25 or -35 magnetos.
That is using a vibrator to supply square wave voltage to the magneto coil
as Mark described. Initially using the Russian units and subsequently with the
Slick start electronic vibrators.
As Dennis properly pointed out, we soon learned that this was unnecessary and
it was easier to start the engine by simply turning it over with the starter
and turning the mags on once it was rotating at several hundred rpm.
When we developed the Yak-52TW we offered them with just the air start, or dual
start (air and electric). The TW was again our innovation. The idea was originally
started by my friend Les Crowder in McKinney Texas. He started to build
a retractable gear Yak 52. When Aerostar approached me to make a follow on order
the Yak52W that we had jointly developed, I decided there was a wider market
for a WWII looking aircraft. Thus the 52TW was born.
P.S. we also designed and built the parts for a Yak 52 without an air system.
It used an electro hydraulic pump and hydraulic cylinders for the gear and a full
electric flap actuator. Only one was ever built.
George Coy
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Bitterlich
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: START IGNIT CB
--> <markbitterlich@embarqmail.com>
I'm going to make pubic a feeling I have regarding this gent.
Anyone who refuses to give their name on the Yak List should be totally ignored.
Enough is enough. This gent is a troll, and should be treated as such. He takes
pleasure in stirring up bad feelings. There have been many arguments and debates
on the Yak List, and I personally have been involved in more than one,
but I never did it while refusing to identify myself and neither has anyone else
I can remember, right/wrong/indifferent.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dbflr
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 8:25 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: START IGNIT CB
>>>FACT- The Russians never did it. It was aN afterthought creation of the Aerostar
factory back in 2000 when they decided to build the Yak52TW, which was essentially
a US design to begin with.
did what ? go figure ! added electric start ? did i imply they did ???
>>>People were having difficulty starting the TWs with PF engines with -35 mags.
They were trying to start them like a stock 52 with M9F mags. That didnt work.
Once they figured out how to properly start the engine with -35 mags, the
p-lead booster was irrelevant.
yes, i'm intrigued. so since 70's russians were starting these engines with -35
mags "improperly" ? and in 2000 someone figured out how to do it "properly"
thereby external ignition exciter is not needed ? so, there's no such unit on
52TW since it's no longer needed ?
i'm just trying to figure out what exactly your cryptic message says. any reference
to or a description of this "proper" start procedure ?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495897#495897
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| Subject: | Re: START IGNIT CB |
Concur.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: START IGNIT CB
Good idea. If he persists, I'm going to send an email to Matt Draille
and ask him to block this a-hole from any of the Matronics lists.
On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 10:40:22 PM EDT, Mark Bitterlich
<markbitterlich@embarqmail.com> wrote:
<markbitterlich@embarqmail.com>
I'm going to make pubic a feeling I have regarding this gent.
Anyone who refuses to give their name on the Yak List should be totally
ignored.
Enough is enough. This gent is a troll, and should be treated as such.
He takes pleasure in stirring up bad feelings. There have been many
arguments and debates on the Yak List, and I personally have been
involved in more than one, but I never did it while refusing to identify
myself and neither has anyone else I can remember,
right/wrong/indifferent.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dbflr
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 8:25 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: START IGNIT CB
>>>FACT- The Russians never did it. It was aN afterthought creation of
the Aerostar factory back in 2000 when they decided to build the
Yak52TW, which was essentially a US design to begin with.
did what ? go figure ! added electric start ? did i imply they did ???
>>>People were having difficulty starting the
TW=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s with PF engines with -35 mags. They were
trying to start them like a stock 52 with M9F mags. That
didn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t work. Once they figured out how to
properly start the engine with -35 mags, the p-lead booster was
irrelevant.
yes, i'm intrigued. so since 70's russians were starting these engines
with -35 mags "improperly" ? and in 2000 someone figured out how to do
it "properly" thereby external
ignition exciter is not needed ? so, there's no such unit on 52TW since
it's no longer needed ?
i'm just trying to figure out what exactly your cryptic message says.
any reference to
or a description of this "proper" start procedure ?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495897#495897
http://www.matro===============
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hnbsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Cabin Heater diagram for CJ6? |
I have the part that goes attached to the exhaust, is there a diagram of where
to get the heat into the cabin?
CJ6 Nanchang.
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www.Backcountry182.com
Cessna 182 P
CJ -6
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater diagram for CJ6? |
So, I don't think there is an official install diagram for the cabin heat
on a CJ.
I think the part you have most likely was from a Yak18T. Four passenger
plane that had heat for sure. I could be wrong.
If you reach out to Craig Payne.
He added heat to his CJ. I am sure he has some good photos and advice for
sure.
Mark Pennington
N621CJ
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 3:16 PM motoadve <larry@motoadventuring.com> wrote:
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> I have the part that goes attached to the exhaust, is there a diagram of
> where to get the heat into the cabin?
> CJ6 Nanchang.
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> www.Backcountry182.com
> Cessna 182 P
> CJ -6
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater diagram for CJ6? |
Thanks
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www.Backcountry182.com
Cessna 182 P
CJ -6
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Test
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ttail[at]internode.on.net
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I read you Sean!
Walt
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