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1. 05:33 AM - Re: Re: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 05:49 AM - Re: Re: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... (Richard Hess)
3. 05:53 AM - Re: Re: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... (Greg Wrobel)
4. 11:06 AM - Re: Re: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... (Justin Drafts)
5. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... (Larry Pine)
6. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... (Walter Lannon)
7. 03:21 PM - Nanchang elevator balance (glipaz)
8. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... (\)
9. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... (Walter Lannon)
10. 11:15 PM - Re: Air start distributor (woodja51)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... |
Justin,
You may want to consider adding a JPI FS450 Fuel Flow instrument. Not
only does it provide excellent fuel flow information, especially with
airplane that has a mixture control, it also provides total fuel used,
fuel remaining and time to empty. at the current fuel flow. If
connected to your GPS, it will also provide fuel required to next
destination, fuel reserve when you get to your next destination and
miles per gallon (which you'll find most interesting based on your
mixture and power settings).
Here are 3 links which will help you better understand the FS450.
FS450 on JPI web site - https://www.jpinstruments.com/shop/fuel-scan-450/
Pilot Manual -
https://www.jpinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/PG-FS-450-Rev-G.pdf
Installation Manual -
https://www.jpinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Install-report-400-A-2-19-131.pdf
You would mount the transducer between the fuel pump output and the
carburetor input.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-546-8182
www.yak-52.com
On 11/13/2020 11:43 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
> Good morning all-
>
> Fishing for some tips & advice, this time on changing the p/n *GUR-7I*
> fuel quantity transmitter, out in the main fuel tanks. Specifically, I
> plan to soon install a new one in my left-hand, standard main tank w/
> 2 new gaskets.
>
> Background: troubleshooting all the wiring shows that the inop L/H red
> "fuel low" light in both cockpits is owing to the transmitter unit;
> all wiring, bulbs, sockets test healthy happy & continuous.
>
> Has anyone changed out the fuel qty unit, and has tricks & tips to share?
> Traps to avoid? Good or bad experiences?
>
> Thanks, no rush-
>
> Justin Drafts
> N280NC
> Seattle area
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| Subject: | Re: RE: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... |
Shadin also makes an excellent, easy to use unit. Ive had one in my Chang for 18
years!
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 8:35 AM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>
>
> Justin,
> You may want to consider adding a JPI FS450 Fuel Flow instrument. Not only does
it provide excellent fuel flow information, especially with airplane that has
a mixture control, it also provides total fuel used, fuel remaining and time
to empty. at the current fuel flow. If connected to your GPS, it will also
provide fuel required to next destination, fuel reserve when you get to your
next destination and miles per gallon (which you'll find most interesting based
on your mixture and power settings).
>
> Here are 3 links which will help you better understand the FS450.
>
> FS450 on JPI web site - https://www.jpinstruments.com/shop/fuel-scan-450/
>
> Pilot Manual - https://www.jpinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/PG-FS-450-Rev-G.pdf
>
> Installation Manual - https://www.jpinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Install-report-400-A-2-19-131.pdf
>
> You would mount the transducer between the fuel pump output and the carburetor
input.
>
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-546-8182
> www.yak-52.com
>
>> On 11/13/2020 11:43 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
>> Good morning all-
>>
>> Fishing for some tips & advice, this time on changing the p/n *GUR-7I* fuel
quantity transmitter, out in the main fuel tanks. Specifically, I plan to soon
install a new one in my left-hand, standard main tank w/ 2 new gaskets.
>>
>> Background: troubleshooting all the wiring shows that the inop L/H red "fuel
low" light in both cockpits is owing to the transmitter unit; all wiring, bulbs,
sockets test healthy happy & continuous.
>>
>> Has anyone changed out the fuel qty unit, and has tricks & tips to share?
>> Traps to avoid? Good or bad experiences?
>>
>> Thanks, no rush-
>>
>> Justin Drafts
>> N280NC
>> Seattle area
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... |
Excellent advice on addition of a fuel computer. I have installed one on
both airplanes I have owned and I believe the unit is perhaps one of the
most important pieces of equipment add on's you can have.
Greg "Clouddog " Wrobel
On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 07:39 A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Justin,
> You may want to consider adding a JPI FS450 Fuel Flow instrument. Not
> only does it provide excellent fuel flow information, especially with
> airplane that has a mixture control, it also provides total fuel used,
> fuel remaining and time to empty. at the current fuel flow. If
> connected to your GPS, it will also provide fuel required to next
> destination, fuel reserve when you get to your next destination and
> miles per gallon (which you'll find most interesting based on your
> mixture and power settings).
>
> Here are 3 links which will help you better understand the FS450.
>
> FS450 on JPI web site - https://www.jpinstruments.com/shop/fuel-scan-450/
>
> Pilot Manual -
>
> https://www.jpinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/PG-FS-450-Rev-G.pdf
>
> Installation Manual -
>
> https://www.jpinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Install-report-400-A-2-19-131.pdf
>
> You would mount the transducer between the fuel pump output and the
> carburetor input.
>
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-546-8182
> www.yak-52.com
>
> On 11/13/2020 11:43 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
> > Good morning all-
> >
> > Fishing for some tips & advice, this time on changing the p/n *GUR-7I*
> > fuel quantity transmitter, out in the main fuel tanks. Specifically, I
> > plan to soon install a new one in my left-hand, standard main tank w/
> > 2 new gaskets.
> >
> > Background: troubleshooting all the wiring shows that the inop L/H red
> > "fuel low" light in both cockpits is owing to the transmitter unit;
> > all wiring, bulbs, sockets test healthy happy & continuous.
> >
> > Has anyone changed out the fuel qty unit, and has tricks & tips to share?
> > Traps to avoid? Good or bad experiences?
> >
> > Thanks, no rush-
> >
> > Justin Drafts
> > N280NC
> > Seattle area
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... |
Excellent info all, esp on the fuel flow transducer...
Budget crunch @ moment is keeping my CJ stock, but will store that away for
future.
Have used F/F instruments in other aircraft, and they can (literally) be
lifesavers!
It's nice to have the time to be able to get to back-burner projects...
Thanks- Justin
On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 6:28 PM Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com> wrote:
> Excellent advice on addition of a fuel computer. I have installed one on
> both airplanes I have owned and I believe the unit is perhaps one of the
> most important pieces of equipment add on's you can have.
>
> Greg "Clouddog " Wrobel
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 07:39 A. Dennis Savarese <
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Justin,
>> You may want to consider adding a JPI FS450 Fuel Flow instrument. Not
>> only does it provide excellent fuel flow information, especially with
>> airplane that has a mixture control, it also provides total fuel used,
>> fuel remaining and time to empty. at the current fuel flow. If
>> connected to your GPS, it will also provide fuel required to next
>> destination, fuel reserve when you get to your next destination and
>> miles per gallon (which you'll find most interesting based on your
>> mixture and power settings).
>>
>> Here are 3 links which will help you better understand the FS450.
>>
>> FS450 on JPI web site - https://www.jpinstruments.com/shop/fuel-scan-450/
>>
>> Pilot Manual -
>>
>> https://www.jpinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/PG-FS-450-Rev-G.pdf
>>
>> Installation Manual -
>>
>> https://www.jpinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Install-report-400-A-2-19-131.pdf
>>
>> You would mount the transducer between the fuel pump output and the
>> carburetor input.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> A. Dennis Savarese
>> 334-546-8182
>> www.yak-52.com
>>
>> On 11/13/2020 11:43 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
>> > Good morning all-
>> >
>> > Fishing for some tips & advice, this time on changing the p/n *GUR-7I*
>> > fuel quantity transmitter, out in the main fuel tanks. Specifically, I
>> > plan to soon install a new one in my left-hand, standard main tank w/
>> > 2 new gaskets.
>> >
>> > Background: troubleshooting all the wiring shows that the inop L/H red
>> > "fuel low" light in both cockpits is owing to the transmitter unit;
>> > all wiring, bulbs, sockets test healthy happy & continuous.
>> >
>> > Has anyone changed out the fuel qty unit, and has tricks & tips to
>> share?
>> > Traps to avoid? Good or bad experiences?
>> >
>> > Thanks, no rush-
>> >
>> > Justin Drafts
>> > N280NC
>> > Seattle area
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... |
I have a stock float on the shelf.
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
On Saturday, November 14, 2020, 11:21, Justin Drafts <draftsjust417@gmail.c
om> wrote:
Excellent info all, esp on the fuel flow transducer...=C2-Budget=C2-cru
nch @ moment is keeping my CJ stock, but will store that away for future.Ha
ve used F/F instruments in other aircraft, and they can (literally) be life
savers!
It's nice to have the time to be able to get to back-burner projects...
Thanks-=C2- Justin
On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 6:28 PM Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com> wrote:
Excellent advice on addition of a fuel computer. I have installed one on bo
th airplanes I have owned and I believe the unit is perhaps one of the most
important pieces of equipment add on's you can have.
Greg "Clouddog " Wrobel
On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 07:39 A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net
> wrote:
th.net>
Justin,
You may want to consider adding a JPI FS450 Fuel Flow instrument. Not
only does it provide excellent fuel flow information, especially with
airplane that has a mixture control, it also provides total fuel used,
fuel remaining and time to empty. at the current fuel flow.=C2-=C2- If
connected to your GPS, it will also provide fuel required to next
destination, fuel reserve when you get to your next destination and
miles per gallon (which you'll find most interesting based on your
mixture and power settings).
Here are 3 links which will help you better understand the FS450.
FS450 on JPI web site - https://www.jpinstruments.com/shop/fuel-scan-450/
Pilot Manual -
https://www.jpinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/PG-FS-450-Rev-G.pd
f
Installation Manual -
https://www.jpinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Install-report-400
-A-2-19-131.pdf
You would mount the transducer between the fuel pump output and the
carburetor input.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-546-8182
www.yak-52.com
On 11/13/2020 11:43 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
> Good morning all-
>
> Fishing for some tips & advice, this time on changing the p/n *GUR-7I*
> fuel quantity transmitter, out in the main fuel tanks. Specifically, I
> plan to soon install a new one in my left-hand, standard main tank w/
> 2 new gaskets.
>
> Background: troubleshooting all the wiring shows that the inop L/H red
> "fuel low" light in both cockpits is owing to the transmitter unit;
> all wiring, bulbs, sockets test healthy happy & continuous.
>
> Has anyone changed out the fuel qty unit, and has tricks & tips to share?
> Traps to avoid? Good or bad experiences?
>
> Thanks, no rush-
>
> Justin Drafts
> N280NC
> Seattle area
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| Subject: | Re: RE: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... |
Hi Justin;
After living with the by guess and by god fuel indication system of the
Harvard / T6 for 30 years I found the Chinese one a breath of fresh air
(though the Harvard will always be my favorite aircraft --- third wheel
in the right place,etc.). But; I digress!
Replacement of the fuel qty. transmitter is pretty straight forward as
is adjustment of the low level setting (I set to 12 rather than 10 lts.)
Don=99t know the cause of your particular problem but will look
at my spare unit and see if anything comes to mind.
I did have a recent problem with my RH unit. Had disturbing indications
of serious fuel imbalance (more than my normal zero to 5 lt.) that did
not show up on the dip stick. After much wasted time and effort I
decided just for the hell of it to clean the rheostat though it did not
appear dirty. Lo and behold the =9Cimbalance=9D immediately
disappeared!
Cheers;
Walt
From: Justin Drafts
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 8:43 AM
Subject: Yak-List: RE: fuel qty transmitter, R&R...
Good morning all-
Fishing for some tips & advice, this time on changing the p/n GUR-7I
fuel quantity transmitter, out in the main fuel tanks. Specifically, I
plan to soon install a new one in my left-hand, standard main tank w/ 2
new gaskets.
Background: troubleshooting all the wiring shows that the inop L/H red
"fuel low" light in both cockpits is owing to the transmitter unit; all
wiring, bulbs, sockets test healthy happy & continuous.
Has anyone changed out the fuel qty unit, and has tricks & tips to
share?
Traps to avoid? Good or bad experiences?
Thanks, no rush-
Justin Drafts
N280NC
Seattle area
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| Subject: | Nanchang elevator balance |
On my Nanchang the elevator rests in the full up position with the stick all the
way back. In flight it is perfectly balanced. I checked the balance bar and
it does not have any weight plates to remove. It only has the solid balance
cube. So, I contemplate removing the cube and shaving it to reduce the weight.
Any suggestions?
Gil
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| Subject: | Re: RE: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... |
I still have the fuel tanks and the transmitters from when I changed out to
bigger tanks.=C2- They were working fine when I put them on the shelf so
me 10 years ago if you're interested.=C2- I sell them both for $25.00 + s
hipping.Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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From: Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca>
Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2020 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: fuel qty transmitter, R&R...
Hi Justin;=C2-After living with the by guess and by god fuel indication s
ystem of the Harvard / T6 for 30 years I found the Chinese one a breath of
fresh air (though the Harvard will always be my favorite aircraft --- third
wheel in the right place,etc.).=C2- But; I digress!=C2-Replacement of
the fuel qty. transmitter is pretty straight forward as is adjustment of th
e low level setting (I set to 12 rather than 10 lts.)=C2- Don=99t k
now the cause of your particular problem but will look at my spare unit and
see if anything comes to mind.=C2-I did have a recent problem with my RH
unit.=C2- Had disturbing indications of serious fuel imbalance (more tha
n my normal zero to 5 lt.) that did not show up on the dip stick.=C2- Aft
er much wasted time and effort I decided just for the hell of it to clean t
he rheostat though it did not appear dirty.=C2- Lo and behold the
=9Cimbalance=9D immediately disappeared!=C2-Cheers;Walt=C2-=C2-
From: Justin Drafts Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 8:43 AMTo: yak-list@mat
ronics.com Subject: Yak-List: RE: fuel qty transmitter, R&R...=C2-Good mo
rning all-=C2-Fishing for some tips & advice, this time on changing the p
/n GUR-7I fuel quantity transmitter, out in the main fuel tanks. Specifical
ly, I plan to soon install a new one in my left-hand, standard main tank w/
2 new gaskets.=C2-Background: troubleshooting all the wiring shows that
the inop L/H red "fuel low" light in both cockpits is owing to the transmit
ter unit; all wiring, bulbs, sockets test healthy happy & continuous.=C2-
Has anyone changed out the fuel qty unit, and has tricks & tips to share?Tr
aps to avoid? Good or bad experiences?=C2-Thanks, no rush-=C2-Justin Dr
aftsN280NCSeattle area
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| Subject: | Re: RE: fuel qty transmitter, R&R... |
Justin;
Did some research on your problem today.
The most likely scenario is wiring. You need to confirm that pins #3
and 4 have continuity to the low fuel light. I assume you have tested
or replaced the light bulb.
If that is not the problem I have much more info on where to go next.
Please let me know.
Walt
From: Justin Drafts
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: fuel qty transmitter, R&R...
Excellent info all, esp on the fuel flow transducer...
Budget crunch @ moment is keeping my CJ stock, but will store that away
for future.
Have used F/F instruments in other aircraft, and they can (literally) be
lifesavers!
It's nice to have the time to be able to get to back-burner projects...
Thanks- Justin
On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 6:28 PM Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com>
wrote:
Excellent advice on addition of a fuel computer. I have installed one
on both airplanes I have owned and I believe the unit is perhaps one of
the most important pieces of equipment add on's you can have.
Greg "Clouddog " Wrobel
On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 07:39 A. Dennis Savarese
<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Justin,
You may want to consider adding a JPI FS450 Fuel Flow instrument.
Not
only does it provide excellent fuel flow information, especially
with
airplane that has a mixture control, it also provides total fuel
used,
fuel remaining and time to empty. at the current fuel flow. If
connected to your GPS, it will also provide fuel required to next
destination, fuel reserve when you get to your next destination and
miles per gallon (which you'll find most interesting based on your
mixture and power settings).
Here are 3 links which will help you better understand the FS450.
FS450 on JPI web site -
https://www.jpinstruments.com/shop/fuel-scan-450/
Pilot Manual -
https://www.jpinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/PG-FS-450-Rev-G.
pdf
Installation Manual -
https://www.jpinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Install-report-4
00-A-2-19-131.pdf
You would mount the transducer between the fuel pump output and the
carburetor input.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-546-8182
www.yak-52.com
On 11/13/2020 11:43 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
> Good morning all-
>
> Fishing for some tips & advice, this time on changing the p/n
*GUR-7I*
> fuel quantity transmitter, out in the main fuel tanks.
Specifically, I
> plan to soon install a new one in my left-hand, standard main tank
w/
> 2 new gaskets.
>
> Background: troubleshooting all the wiring shows that the inop L/H
red
> "fuel low" light in both cockpits is owing to the transmitter
unit;
> all wiring, bulbs, sockets test healthy happy & continuous.
>
> Has anyone changed out the fuel qty unit, and has tricks & tips to
share?
> Traps to avoid? Good or bad experiences?
>
> Thanks, no rush-
>
> Justin Drafts
> N280NC
> Seattle area
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| Subject: | Re: Air start distributor |
I assume you have the correct tool to lock it all up ? If so , you simply set the
master orifice ( #4 I think ) to 0.1 mm open (fine copper wire works ) beware
some docs say 1.0 mm -thats incorrect. You then bring the master cylinder
up to the nominal value of after TDC ( its different for Chang vs M14 ) but about
9 degrees after TDC maybe ? Then slide distributer back on and remove tool
reconnect air pipes. I did mine on a HS 6 - as per the manual and got it right
first go. But it can be fiddly I heard. Thats the general approach. But check
M14 specific details as the gear box ratio might influence the actual values.
Cheers , Matt
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